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ZBA Hearing - December 4, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 4, 20246h 44m

to bring in conflict resolution specialists. There'll be mobile therapy, job readiness. We need

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to prepare our children so home economics will be something that they will learn. Our transfer

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receptacles will be stored in the back. We'll also have our children learn how to recycle and let them

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know how important it is to keep up the beautification of the home inside and out and I

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believe that also connecting with our community police officers they will also bring much needed

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light to to the block because our goal is to have them always remember to check up on us

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and stay in contact so that they understand we need them and they need us bringing a much needed

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resource to our community. And I just know that if people are part of the solution, they're helping

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with the problem. Our tribe is here and they are ready. We have Melissa Diggs, who has been the

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director of care, who is a director of care management, an education consultant, a former

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core supervisor for over eight years, and a former foster parent program director. Dr. Willie Cannon

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Brown will offer therapeutic services. She will also bring in people who offer breathing

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specialists and conflict resolution. Alexis Brown, a Temple graduate, will be a nutritionist and

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life skills development. And we have Mr. Charles Austin, who will enrich the children's with

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career development, culture arts coordination, and offer financial consultant to help us.

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that was my presentation

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there and just to

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shape that our

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Ms. Brown do you have pictures of

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your property? Yes I do

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Can you show the photos please?

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Yes I will right now

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Hopefully

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am I still sharing?

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You're sharing but we see your

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original presentation. Okay let

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me see if I can

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Okay close that

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Did I stop?

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did i stop sharing i'm sorry okay i'm back you did you did all right now i'm here

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so this is the exterior of the property

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with dimensions listed is a four bedroom one and a half bath

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these are the bedrooms the most that we would like to do is cosmetics

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there are no leaks in the property their roof had been repaired so there was some staining to

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the drop ceiling which we want to replace

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one of the rooms which is a smaller room was served as a quiet area for young people they

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may just want some time to their self outside of the bedroom they can go into the quiet area

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where we would advocate for some, excuse me,

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we would like them to practice their breathing skills

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or writing, journaling, or arts there.

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This is a downstairs area of the home.

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This is also the downstairs powder room,

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the kitchen, the upstairs bathroom, and the hallway.

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will there be any um usage in the basement no absolutely no use in the basement

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besides anything that would need to be stored in the house maybe if it's a can of paint or

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christmas decoration so something of that nature but nothing

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no use for um the youth would not have access to the basement

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questions from the board

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yes um question uh washer and dryer is there yes in the back shed there's a washer and dryer i'm

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sorry i do not have a picture that behind the kitchen there's a back shed with a washer and

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dryer there on site yes it will be functional washer and dryer at all times all right and then

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upstairs there's one bathroom one bathroom yes okay four bedrooms one bathroom one and a half

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yes oh one and a half yes that's upstairs one bathroom upstairs and one downstairs

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no just just upstairs so upstairs there are the four bedrooms and one bath yes ma'am yes okay

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your intention to have co-ed no no the intention is to have females

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yes how many youth are you planning to host in the group home at one time

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And then how is it staffed?

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Yes.

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So it's a maximum of six, one to six youth.

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It is 24-hour staff.

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The other staff that will come in

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will come in based off of how we rotate the program.

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All of our youth will, of course, have to attend school.

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And again, with that age, if they're 17, 18,

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and they're working, they may be excused

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for some of the programs that will happen in the house,

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but there is 24-hour supervision for the home.

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and because the number is low there's only six there will always be one staff member on at all

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times the ratios for one to six so the way this works the youth are in the bedrooms there's no

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staff that permanently lives at the property they're just work they're on shifts they're working

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yes yeah and is there a space for the staff in the in the property like they have a office or

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any type of secured location that the youth don't have access to so the downstairs that was the

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conversation we had like as far as if they're the downstairs we have locked file cabinets that will

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come into place and the downstairs area will be where the staff is where we'll set up our makeshift

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office but we won't have bedding so it's like in the i guess what would be now the living room or

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the dining room of the property yes so is there a public space that the that the youth are able to

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access on the first floor of the house so they do have access to the living room they will have

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access to the dining room kitchen as well yes and they have that mutual space which will be on the

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second floor is the den room where they have if they want to go in there together they have that

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space as well and then are the staff handling most of the I guess like general house upkeep

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maintenance things for the youth that live there I'm thinking like who's taking the trash out on

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things for the youth that live there i'm thinking like who's taking the trash out on trash day

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trash day

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who's dealing with the snow or if like a regular home maintenance or cleaning issue comes up is

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that handled completely by staff no the goal is to make sure that our young people are prepared

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for when they have to live on their own so if this is a teaching home you will learn how to do that

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and they will have chores as well as they will have curfew.

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So they will be assigned those things.

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We also think about if they have work,

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there are times where, okay,

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we'll have to pick this up to help out.

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So it's a place where everyone is helping each other,

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but you have assigned tasks.

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So when you leave and you're on your own,

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you can say, I learned how to manage a home.

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I learned the skills on, there'll be cooking classes.

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They will learn how to cook,

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but that's it will definitely be regulated where staff is overseeing this is the meal we're

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providing but we want you to know how to cook we want you to help and it also fosters a relationship

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of family when you're home and it's hey i prepared this meal and now we sit down and eat this meal

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as a family and then where are the referrals like how are you finding the youth are they coming from

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the city's homeless outreach list or like how are how are you identifying youth and then qualifying

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them for the program so there's a great need with DHS so we are we're trying to do this in order

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because the the conversation is don't put the cart before the horse so it's get your zoning

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and we have youth so there's city and state contracts where they need people and we already

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We had these conversations that once we're prepared and we can do this, we want to contact

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with them.

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Definitely the city has a great need.

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Even with being a foster parent, the phone rings often where it's, can you take these

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kids?

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Can you take more kids?

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And it's like, no, but well, we need kids and they'll call you often.

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So the city, the state, we're looking what other people, not coolest, but there are names

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just escaped me i'm so sorry but there are people that house older youth that also are looking

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sometimes to place youth as well um i don't know i'm so sorry the name is completely completely

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escaped me valley youth house these type of programs there go valley youth house these places

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they need places to place older youth and would also partner with them as well okay so to be clear

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like you would get the zoning first and then you would go file and register the house with dhs and

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and the kids are coming from various programs in the city but you're getting direct referrals from

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those programs yes ma'am and your contract would be with dhs to operate as a facility and cool yes

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i don't have any other questions do you um have you have any any experience you have other houses

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that you operate? Youth houses? My own house. Just in regards to being a foster parent, but I

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have not done group living, but I have done foster care for over eight years and have had a working

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relationship with KUWA, with DHS, and also have seen some of my youth go on to Valley Youth House,

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and they've also been able to get their own housing after staying with us.

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so under this company this would be the first the first youth house youth house yes ma'am and my

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other question is how do you um the 14 and 21 is a big difference like in ages so like you know

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there's a range you have some you know it's young adult and adult influence um how do how do you

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kind of is there an intent to kind of maybe focus on like the younger younger adults or

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it's just whoever whosoever gets an opportunity to come to the home um you'll navigate that in

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terms of programming how would you deal with that disparity in ages the reason why i left that open

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is just because in it in the in the chance so 14 to 18 is the group that i work with the most

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that's the group that i love i work with the teens i love them so the thing is if someone was 18 and

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they turn 19 they would still be able to receive help to transition to independent living so that's

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why i didn't just want to take it off we don't we don't want if you're 21 you know you're at the

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place where you're possibly got to age out of the system so we wouldn't be a good fit for you but

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you've already 18 turning 19 if you're with us we would like to continue to help you until you can

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go on and to get independent living so our focal point will be 14 to 18 just want to leave a cushion

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for anybody that may turn 19 and they're just not hey you gotta go

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turn 19 and they're just not, hey, you got to go.

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You

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If they answered the question.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Your comments from our attorney, Hillary Emerson.

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I just wanted to note that we did, we do have a copy of the deed.

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It was found from an earlier submission.

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And while we did not obtain, receive the updated proof of tax compliance,

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the city website indicates the property is in compliance. So this matter can move forward for

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vote today unless the board would like to hold to deliberate. Thank you. Questions or comments

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from the virtual audience? Chair, we have Strawberry Benchart Community Organization.

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They have been muted and allowed to speak. Morning, could you please state your name

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is spelled for the stenographer? Yes, Bonita Cummings.

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Ms. Cummings, you've already been sworn, so you can start your testimony.

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Okay, as the coordinating RVCO, we did a hand-delivered notice and

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met with some good results because some of the closest neighbors did attend the meeting and we

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have been several elders who live in that block who have been there for 70 years. And they were

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adamantly opposed for various reasons as was demonstrated in our communication.

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The experience that the group of Strawberry Mage community concern has is we are certified through the Department of Intellectual Disabilities Services through many of the trauma programs that have been brought to our communities.

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I sit on the board of the CUA, CUA 7 for North Philadelphia, and I'm also the representative to NET Community Care from our CUA 7 board.

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So there is a great deal of active family trauma work that we're doing as an organization.

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So we are very aware of the needs of traumatized youth.

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So these assessments and community meeting were not done without deep consideration and vetting of this process.

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the city already has a process by which it allows three unrelated youth or individuals

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to a household. And this particular organization or person, because it's really not like an LLC,

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just a person, and some of the information that was given with another person's name added was

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not mentioned at all in the community meeting. So the three unrelated persons is what we recommend

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because this is a really heavy lift for the neighborhood, for the block, to put six at the

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maximum, unrelated, traumatized youth. These are not just

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regular families where

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there may not be any traumatization. So we're dealing with traumatized

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families and we're dealing with a range.

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So it wasn't really clear exactly what the

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range really, the range is from 14 years of age to 21

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years of age. And that's a lot of inbreeding or commingling of age groups. And we wanted to be

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able to be more clear, like there is really no plan. Like the sheet that was showed to you today

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with several members of association to different organizational structure was not a part of any

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packet that we received, any material that we received. So maybe it was just thought of and

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put it in the packet for today. But the block position was opposition because they too are

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residents who have been single family homeowners in a block that the designation change could very

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well jeopardize the quality of life for those residents in that block and particularly our

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seniors who've lived there for 70 years so we give a designation change and she goes from tiana brown

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So we give a designation change, and she goes from Tiana Brown to some LLC that that property doesn't presently have, and she's no longer associated with it.

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And now we have a property in a stable block of single-family homes that is now in a drug rehab or some other treatment facility that the community actually would have no input.

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so it's not like this process can't take place we can't we can be considerate of um care for

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our children uh i'm in that business i'm in that work but we cannot or should not um do it where

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we further traumatizing um the youth and or adults that we would be trying to place in that

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property because this is a neighborhood block. It's a house. It's not like a real group living

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environment where therapy and the type of resources that it really takes to be successful

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with the outcome of these individuals is not happening in this environment.

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So to be fair to the neighborhood, to have gradual progress, to allow that block to grow with this program, if it is granted, it would be best to do it from what is already allowed.

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We talked with the DHS Office of Administration. We spoke with CUA representatives on the administrative level, and they looked at this process and did not see a plan.

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They felt that this is just a packet of what you would like to see happen, but it was no real individuals present, particularly at the meeting with any information, to show that there could be success.

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So I would ask that we not further traumatize the block and or any individuals that could be in this facility and that we would consider what is by right, which is three unrelated.

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And if Ms. Brown is working with that block and working with that community, that they can grow to that level of more and more and more individuals.

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Those, again, those, you know, ages are vast, you know, varied rather across, you know, ages.

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And we don't want to bring a process to that neighborhood that could overwhelm them and or place their own properties, you know, the comfortability of being in their own properties at risk.

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So we were hoping today that you would, if you were considering it, you would consider allowing that block to have the community support it needs from this body to grow into that type of number of habitants in that house.

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And in terms of the police department, they are not babysitters, and they cannot guarantee being available, which they don't do in our blocks already.

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So they cannot guarantee being available for, you know, like 24-hour type of support.

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