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ZBA Hearing - July 14, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jul 14, 20216h 15m

And then three structures also on the narrower Chadwick Street to the east.

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And those are the structures we'll be talking about specifically today.

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It'll make more sense as soon as we get into the actual drawings and the site plans.

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This is a mixed RM1 and RSA A5 zoning district.

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But as I stated, this has been a number of condo units, eight in particular, for a number of years.

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We received refusals because we're looking to, like I said, take those properties on Chadwick Street,

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demo them, and create what is essentially three new single-family dwellings.

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We do have my architect, Logan Dry on the line, and I believe the principals of Courtyard Condo Associates and Regis LP, my clients, are on the line as well.

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So we receive refusals from multiple principal buildings on one lot.

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As I stated before, this has always been multiple principal buildings on one lot, at least since the early 90s.

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And multiple principal uses because we have single family and multifamily essentially on one lot.

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um the hardship in this instance is this is already one lot one condo association um the

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banks that own each the different notes um have made it almost impossible for us to try to re-subdivide

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everything and re-assess each of these properties as single family dwellings the way that it's set

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up right now would also be a detriment to the current condo association condo owners as they're

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only responsible for everything inside the structures from drywall in rather than everything

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on the outside. And I'll get into all of that in a moment as well. So members of the board,

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here's our area zoning map. Let me zoom in on this and get a little bit clearer. So this is

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South 17th Street. We're talking about these three lots here. They're split zone RM1 and RSA5. But

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as I said, there was a lot of consolidation that was done back in the 90s. So here's the actual

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parcel we're talking about. So this is 723 South 17th, which is two condo units, not part of this

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application necessarily. 725 and 727, each of these two condo units, part of this whole condo

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association, but not subject to this particular application. These three buildings here on Chadwick

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Street are actually two different units. So this first unit is on the first and second story of

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this two-story building and then goes into the second story of this unit. And then this unit of

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Chadwick is first and second story and then also uses a garage. We're proposing the demolition of

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all of those and building new structures of essentially the same floor plan. This is the

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condominium declaration beginning on page eight. I'm just going to scroll through that.

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this is my client's commercial activity license at page 38 tax clearance at page 39 our zoning

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notification letter that went out for south south neighbors association

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this is our proof of mailing oh maybe there's our proof of mailing at page 43

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and this is a letter that we received from sasta sosna on july 8th 2021

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sorry to interrupt could you enlarge that please yes

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thank you so initially we had proposed a slightly different plan that did not have

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a mansard style roof and also had some days based on feedback from the neighbors we changed

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some things around. And at the initial community meeting, SOSNA asked us to come back for a second

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meeting. We just attended a meeting of their architectural review committee the other day

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and received additional feedback. We have now been slated to appear on their agenda for I believe

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August 18th's RCO meeting. We've already sent out notices for that as well for a final vote.

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What I'm showing now is page 46. This is an application that was submitted back in 1990 with respect to

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That was submitted back in 1990 with respect to this current layout of the structure.

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So it's an eight-family dwelling.

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So there's, like I said, there's eight condo units.

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There's two-car off-street parking on Chadwick Street.

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Six families altogether on 723 to 27 South 17.

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Two families altogether on 722 to 26 South Chadwick.

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I'm going to scroll through that as well.

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That's just for purposes of edification for the board.

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And everything's going to be a little bit clearer now that we get to the phone number.

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So looking to page 125 of our zoning packet, this is actually looking northbound on Chadwick Street.

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You'll see 720 right here.

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This is not part of the application.

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We see new development, new additions going on to some houses north or on the block.

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So 722, this is part of our application.

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724, 726. These are all part of our application. So this, members of the board, as I discussed

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before, 722 and into the top of 724, this is one condominium unit. Scroll into the next page,

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128. This is also one condominium unit for the use of the two-car all-street parking.

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These three will all be demolished.

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and that's just a 360 view going through to page 136 these are the structures that currently exist

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on south 17th we're not touching any of these these are either being rented out or are owned

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by individual owners there's two units per structure and this is just a quick 360 view

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of what we have going on here and then this is across the street

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these are just some other existing structures in the area

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showing there's significant multifamily in this area

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and new construction

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these are pictures of the zoning signs that were posted

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and on Chadwick Street as well

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all right Logan would you mind raising your hand

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so you can be unmuted and testify for the record

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well what you're showing us now is that chadwick street this is chadwick street yes

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you're three single family well they are essentially three single family homes but

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they're all part of one lot because it's just all part of one time association but

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the demolish and create three single families correct yes correct

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uh logan dry are you still on the line

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oh my apologies my computer decided to go a little haywire on us

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yep i'm here here we go

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dr please identify yourself spell your first and last name i'll swear you

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sure uh logan dry l-o-g-a-n last name d-r-y uh kca design associates 6525 tulip street

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philadelphia pa 19135 architect of record you swear for him to tell the truth the whole truth

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nothing but the truth I do thank you okay Logan so we're looking at page 163 of the zoning packet

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that I submitted these are the revised plans uh that we submitted for review of the architecture

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committee can you please explain to the board what considerations you took into effect when you made

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this design sure so one of the things we did because it was a condo association um we had the

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overall site plan back from the association's formation um so as a result we basically had

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the footprints of the existing homes on Chadwick Street, you know, sort of in our possession.

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Okay, so Logan, I'm going to go to the next page that's going to show that site plan.

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Sure.

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For the record, this is page 164.

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Yep, so what we did is, yep, so what we did to your right of the screen, you'll see the

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existing homes on 17th Street that aren't being touched. And then to your left side,

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you'll see the three proposed homes that you just saw the renderings for. And what we did when we

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went through and did these is we kept the the footprints of the new homes identical to the

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footprints of the existing structures on the site a just because contextually it lined up with

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the other homes on the block and also because we wanted to keep the different elements of the

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condo association intact so we didn't want to affect you know anybody's yard space anybody's

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fence lines and things like that within the association so we took the approach of keeping

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you know keeping the existing footprints as they were and building new construction there which

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also worked out with with the zoning that you kind of see towards the top there of the screen

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which is actually reversed but we felt building single families on the RSA 5 portion of these

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We felt building single families on the RSA 5 portion of these split zone bots made sense.

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split zone bots.

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And then we left the, you know, structures on 17th Street, which happened to be an RM1 alone.

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So, you know, we kind of came to this design based upon the context of the existing houses on either side of us,

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the existing houses that we're demolishing and hope to replace the new construction.

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And then really when it came to, you know, meeting with the RCO and things like that,

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There was some concerns with, you know, the three-story massing, which we can get into and talk about, you know, why we changed the mansard and things like that.

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But, you know, that's sort of how we arrived at this design, you know, initially with the massing on our end.

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And then, you know, the renderings, you see we work closely with SOSNA to sort of form those, you know, to be a little bit more respectful of the massing and some of the other new development on the block with the design of our mansards and our overall massing.

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So, Logan, originally, these did not have a Mansart-style roof, correct?

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Yeah, originally, they were three stories, and they also had a typical, you know, like you see in a lot of new construction, the two-story window bay on the front.

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That's sort of where we started at, and then through, you know, two or three iterations, we removed the window bay, added a little bit more brick, did, you know, more contextual window openings on the second floor.

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And then a third floor, like you can see in some of your previous photos, we wanted to mimic the additions that a lot of the other homes were putting on that had a mansard-style roof, a true mansard with a true dormer window.

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And then we also, you know, matched things like cornice lines, you know, and window lines and sizes and proportions.

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So, you know, we worked through a lot of that with SOSNA as well as their architectural committee to kind of make these fit in as contextually as possible.

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all right so let's just go to the elevation so logan we see the elevation here the height of

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these buildings is not to exceed 32 feet nine inches correct correct that's the height from

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grade to the top of the roof structure and then you know obviously your pilot house which is set

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back towards the middle of the building you know has the additional 10 foot there again we didn't

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have any sort of dimensional variances for this project and we just got two variances as they

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relate to use and multiple principal structures which again partially because of the condo

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association formation and partially because of the split zoning nature of the lot.

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Okay. Now, Logan, I want to direct your attention to this white space off to the right at 7,

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what would be 722 South Chadwick. What is that?

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So what we did there is there's currently a breezeway type alley that exists on the homes.

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So, you know, we maintained that in the new construction just because, A, we felt it was a

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better detail. That way everybody in the back has, you know, egress out to the front. Everybody will

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have access to that easement in terms of condo association. And secondly, you know, we've done

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ones where we've stricken those alleys and built over, but it ends up being a complicated process

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that takes much too much time to survey district. And it's just not a good detail to have landlocked

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buildings. So, you know, we've maintained it in the new construction that way. These three homes,

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as well as the ones on 17th Street all have legal access and emergency access out of everybody's

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rear yard. So it's just a better, safer detail. Okay. So overall, let's just get to the floor

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plan quickly. I'm going to rotate these just so they're easier to see. So in the cellar,

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we just have mechanicals and a bath, correct? Yep. So you got your mechanicals, bath and a den

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in the front. So again, we didn't want to do any sort of egress. Well, in the front,

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We have the egress in the back to keep the sidewalk, you know, which is kind of small, as clutterless as possible.

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Your first floor plan, you'll see there, the building there, Leo, if you want to point to the home of the breezeway,

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that's corresponding to that breezer that we talked about.

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Otherwise, the three ground floors of these homes are all identical, you know, main living, kitchen, and dining space.

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You take a set of stairs up to the front, in the middle there.

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We should take you to the second floor.

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Rotate this for the purpose of the record.

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Pardon me.

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Yep, so here over to your right-hand side, you've got, you know, your floor plans.

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You've got two modestly sized bedrooms.

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You've got a shared bathroom and your shared laundry.

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Bedroom in the front and back.

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Take that same set of stairs up to the third floor.

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And there you can see the mansard in the front there.

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towards the bottom of the screen and this floor has your master suite so you've got your dormer

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window there you've got your bedroom that's size for a master suite you've got you know walk-in

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closets by the stairs and then you've got your master bath in the back and then continuing that

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same set of stairs up this takes you to the roof deck and pilot house level where again

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you can see the the uh yeah you can see the denotation there of the mansard roof and the

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uh yeah you can see the denotation there of the mansard roof and the dormer um and then again our

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pilot house is kind of located as centrally as possible to minimize the overall massing from

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you know front and rear building facades um let's go to the next page it's just the final elevation

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showing the front and back page 169 of our zoning packet what kind of materials are we using for

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the front logan yep so so you know we we you know revised our our plans from before that had you know

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window bays and things like that on it to something that's a little bit more traditional

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looking uh brick brick for the first two floors of the building um you've got your your double

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hung windows with your grates um in them you've got your staircases for each of the buildings that

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um you know take you in that are all masonry and then when you get up to the third floor there

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you'll see a standing seam metal roof to be used for the dormer window as well as the

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the mansard the other thing i would say leo too if you kind of go there contextually

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over to the left you can kind of see some of the other heights of the building for instance on the

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corner as well as then the heights of the buildings next to us that we you know match that cornice

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line to and then for the and then for the rear facade we're just proposing a hardy panel

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in the back. And then again, you can kind of see reference to that, you know, egress breezeway that

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again, all of the homes will have access to. Okay. Do you have anything else you'd like to add at

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this point, Logan? Nope. So members of the board, in this instance, the hardship is that we already

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have an existing condo association and a, what is essentially one lot with principal structures on

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it we're seeking to take away oh i'm sorry my camera's turned off there we go we're seeking

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to demo what are essentially three existing structures and then build three existing

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structures the hardship is that we have split zoning we have one lot um we can't really

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subdivide the lots as they exist right now due to the nature of the condo association having

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been in existence for quite some time um due to the fact it would adversely affect people

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who are already in the association um and that's essentially it members of the board we're happy

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to take any other questions at this time and if gary or eric if you guys are on the line would

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you please raise your hand we can get you sworn in eric you can unmute yourself and please wait

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for the board hi this is eric eric please uh identify yourself your full name my name is eric

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Reisner, E-R-I-K-R-E-I-S-N-E-R.

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You swear if I'm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Mulvihill.

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Hey, and good morning, Eric.

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Eric, what's your association with the applicant in this case?

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So I'm representing the ownership of this condo association, and it's Matt.

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And Eric, you've heard my testimony today?

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Yes.

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How long have you been involved in the condo association and the management?

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Well, our family originally bought it, I'd say, 30 years ago.

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And I recently came into the business less than four years ago.

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Okay. You've heard my testimony today with respect to this application?

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Yes.

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And you've heard Logan's testimony as well with respect to the application, community meetings, and design?

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Yep.

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Is there anything that you would like to add at this time, Eric?

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Nope.

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All right.

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