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ZBA Hearing - February 5, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Feb 5, 20257h 1m

Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is yes.

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Tywin, my vote is yes.

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Ishmael Shaheed, my vote is yes.

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Thank you, counsel.

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Thank you for your time.

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Right, sure. Number nine, MI 2024, 006-667-7770 Dugan Road. Gary Perkis is the attorney. There is a letter of unanimous support from the Burholm Community Town Watch and Civic Association, a letter of non-opposition from Council Member O'Neill.

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They will be rejoining us apparently shortly, Mr. Chair.

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Sure.

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Do we see Mr. Perkis?

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Good afternoon.

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Hi, counsel.

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Could you turn the video on, please?

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It's on.

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It's okay.

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I believe it is on.

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Yeah, you were fine.

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Could you please state your name and spell it for the stenographer?

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Yes, my name is Gary Perkis, G-A-R-Y-P-E-R-K-I-S-S.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you identify your client, the relationship to the property?

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Yes. My client is Bethel Deliverance International Church, Inc. With respect to the property that's the subject of this appeal, my client is a sub-lessee of the property.

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Thank you. Our vice chair has a few questions, sir.

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Good evening, counsel. Do you agree to weigh the reading of the refusal or stipulate to its accuracy?

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Yes, I do.

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Have you emailed in all the required documents and exhibits that's needed to proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing?

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Yes, I have.

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thank you council please proceed and share your screen uh members of the board uh good afternoon

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or good evening um there's a little bit of a history to this excuse me share your screen

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with the presentation

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we see your exhibit list we're good yep you're good can i proceed please uh so there's a there's

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a bit of a history to this property i just wanted to make sure that the board was aware of the

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background uh my client bethel deliverance international church inc first leased space

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First leased space in the Strip Center, which is 7770 Dungan Road is a Strip Center in Northeast Philadelphia.

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in the strip center, which is 777.

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It is zoned I2.

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There's four different business uses in the center.

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One is a children's daycare center.

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One is a dollar store.

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One is an adult daycare.

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And then my client, the church.

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All of the uses are nonconforming to I2.

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My client first entered into a lease for unit number two on March 1st of 2013 and has been

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in the property ever since.

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My client subsequently leased unit number three in April of 2016, and my client entered

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into a sublease for unit six on May 1st of 2024.

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With respect to unit two, my client obtained a use variance on July 19th of 2013 to allow my client to use the space for religious assembly.

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And then on September 21st, 2016, my client obtained a similar use variance for unit number three.

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So the process started to obtain a use variance for unit number six.

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As we can go through the exhibits, I think I can lay the rest of it out that way.

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First, here's the original application that was submitted by my client's architect, John Tietz.

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He's here now if we need him.

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The next exhibit is the refusal.

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And if you note, the refusal says a nonconforming use that is located in a conforming building

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shall not increase the area occupied by the nonconforming use by more than 10%.

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With respect to the percentages, the combined space of units two, three, and six that my

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client occupies is 15,390 square feet. The total square footage of the center is 47,795 square

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feet. And unit six is 5,862 square feet, which represents 12.26% of the entire property.

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The next exhibit is the application for appeal.

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And then the project information form, which was submitted as well.

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And here's a copy of the sublease.

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and uh there's two authorization letters one from uh dungan heights associates who's the owner of

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the property and the other from grope go brands inc who is the um sublessor

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here's a copy of the tax clearance certificate that we we obtained and here's a copy of the

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plans that were submitted if you notice here's the square footage that I just referenced

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it's just a little bit larger then so you have

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15,390 for the three units that are occupied by my client

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and the fourth, $47,795, which is the complete improvements to the property.

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The purpose of the expansion, and I'll show you some pictures in a minute,

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is to expand the sanctuary and to add more office and activity spaces in the property.

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And there's a floor plan that has been submitted for the for the entire renovation.

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The next group of exhibits is the copies of this zoning poster that was put in both the back and the front of the property.

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It was timely placed.

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Then notice that I sent out to the neighbors of the meeting with the RCO.

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uh which was conducted on december 12th of 2024. here's proof of mailing and then

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And here's the letter of support right after that, which was submitted by the RCO this week.

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here's the letter of support right after that

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And then here's, this is two pictures of the sanctuary as it exists now.

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And this is in unit number two.

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And then, as you'll see, the next photo is unit number three.

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that's at this at this point is not used, but it will be renovated to put it to expand the

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sanctuary. And then the next two pictures are from unit six, which is really the subject of

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the appeal that we're here for today.

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and then the witness list that's that's that's all the exhibits that we have to submit

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um we're not there's not going to be any change in the use of the property it's only

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we're only here really for purposes of approval of the use of uh unit six um uh with respect to

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expansion into that unit. You want to bring your client on and adopt your testimony?

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Yeah, that would be good. It's Pastor Baldwin in the audience, Tim Baldwin.

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Tim Baldwin. They'll be coming back in as a panel shortly. Thank you, Jason.

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hello hi hi pastor could you please state your name and spell for the court stenographer

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yes timothy baldwin t-i-m-o-t-h-y b-a-l-d-w-i-n do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the

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whole truth nothing but the truth yes uh proceed counsel uh pastor baldwin um did you hear my

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presentation to the board? Yes. And was the presentation true and correct to the best of

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your knowledge and information and belief? Yes. All right. Do you adopt my presentation as your

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own? Yes. And is there anything that you would like to add to say to the board in support of

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the application. I think you pretty much covered it all. Thank you, Pastor. I do have architect

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John Teets. If the board has any questions, we can bring the board has any questions. We'll bring

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Mr. Teets. Okay. Questions from the board. Yeah. Could you clarify for me if these spaces are

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contiguous? They are. Thank you.

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Other questions from the board? Can we

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see that? You went through

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the plan, but can we see where those spaces are?

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I'm sorry, you had some.

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Yeah, let me go back to where the plan

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is. If I can reduce

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it down for you so that you could see it better um okay so here's a plan like this but it was

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it was a little bigger please

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yeah can we can we make that bigger um sure i i there's a second plan as well

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yeah sorry i saw yeah i thought i saw where it was like larger

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okay so i that's about the best i can do um so this yes can you make it yeah wider so we can

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so the air the area to the to the on the left side is unit two uh unit three would be um

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towards the center or on the on the left side of center and unit unit six is all the way to the

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right. The first unit is roughly 7,000 square feet. The middle unit is roughly 2,500 square

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feet. And then the unit to the right, unit six, is 5,682 square feet.

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Thank you.

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The architect, John T, can answer if you need that breakdown.

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We're okay. Questions from the virtual audience?

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I do not see any answers, Mr. Chair.

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Questions from our attorney, Hillary Emerson?

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Not at this time, Mr. Chair.

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Hillary, question, seriously.

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Should this be six only? Because two and three already have variances. How do we word this for proviso?

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Should this be six only?

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Because two and three already have variances.

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How do we...

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I think we just leave it as it is, because one of the uses that's there previously, it's a religious use, but they have it categorized as assembly and entertainment.

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So it might be better. They may be kind of changing that, but it's already, I don't think the use is actually changing. I think there's the category.

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I would just vote it as it is, because I think the refusal covers everything.

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Thank you for cleaning.

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Amy Boyd with the Planning Commission.

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The comprehensive plan recommends no change in zoning at this location from the existing industrial I-1.

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This property is a strip mall hosting commercial and other non-industrial uses

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and had a variance for religious practices in the past.

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The proposed use is consistent with the surrounding area

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and will not ensure the use of adjoining properties.

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The Planning Commission recommends the board grant the requested variance

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for increasing non-conforming use of a religious assembly.

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Thank you.

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MI 2024-006-667-7770 Dungan Road.

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I vote yes.

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Michael Johnson, my vote is yes.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes.

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Tanetta Graham, my vote is yes.

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Ty Owen, my vote is yes.

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Ishmael Shaheed, my vote is yes.

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Thank you, counsel.

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Thank you, board.

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Is there anyone in the virtual audience whose 2 p.m. case has not been called?

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I do not see any hands, Mr. Chair.

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Okay.

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okay we're going to move right into the 330 list okay six o'clock

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we're going to move on to the 330 list

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good afternoon my name is bill berkman and i will be chairing the meeting of the philadelphia

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Zoning Board of Adjustments. With me is our Vice Chair, Ismail Shahid. Present, Mr. Chairman. Our

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Board Member, Cheryl L. Gaston. Present, Mr. Chairman. Our Board Member, Tanetta Graham. Present,

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Mr. Chairman. Our Board Member, Michael Johns. Chairman. And Board Member, Taya Nguyen. Present,

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Mr. Chairman. Also present is Hillary Emerson, our Attorney, and Ian Haggerty, our Executive

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Director of Zoning. Please be advised the meeting is being recorded. Your participation in this

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meeting indicates your consent to be recorded. The video will be posted on the ZBA website

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approximately one week following the meeting. This meeting is being held in person with remote

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capabilities, meaning that individuals can participate either in person, at the hearing

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room, in one parkway building, or remotely over Zoom. When you are recognized to speak by the

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board, please state and spell your name for the court reporter and then wait to be sworn in. If

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If you are in the hearing room, you must speak into a microphone so that everyone in attendance, including the court reporter, can hear you.

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If you are participating remotely, please turn on your camera and unmute yourself when you are recognized to speak.

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Once you've been sworn in, please state your name each time before testifying, whether you are a person on remote so that the court reporter knows who is speaking.

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Please mute yourself or turn the microphone off when you're speaking.

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If you're participating by phone, press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute.

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If you're participating by phone, please call 267-270-5548 to register your appearance by the close of the day, the business day after the hearing.

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You must provide an email address and the address of the property you are interested in.

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All others can enter their appearance through Zoom registration.

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For individuals participating in person, a QR code is available to register your appearance.

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For assistance, please see a member at the back of the hearing room.

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If you have any questions about how to enter your appearance, please contact RCOZBA at phillip.gov.

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If you're in the hearing room, please refrain from talking or engaging in conversations while the hearings are proceeding.

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Please note that eating or drinking in the hearing room is prohibited.

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In addition, vertical and physical aggression will not be tolerated.

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If you are participating remotely, remember the Q&A on the Zone platform.

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It's not for testimony or comments.

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Any comments related to the hearing operation should be directed to ZBA.

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Any comments related to the hearing operation should be directed to ZBAExecutiveDirector at phil.gov.

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Let's look at our schedule for this afternoon.

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Number two, MI 2024-005-841-4010 Palmetto Street.

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That case is continued until February 19th at 2 p.m.

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Number three, MI 2024-005-959-1300-202 Harrison Street.

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That case is continued to July 23rd, 25th at 9.30 a.m.

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And number four, MI 2024-005-964-1444 North 2nd Street. That case is continued to July 23rd, 25 at 9.30 a.m.

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Is there any more requests for continuance?

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Good evening, Mr. Chair. This is Jason Hand. I will be your co-host for this session.

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At present, I do not see any hands raised.

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Thank you very much.

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And number five, MI 2024, 005-972-4530 Blankston Street.

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No exhibits for this case.

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This is our first listing.

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The listed owner is Elvin Epina-Diaz, and Libio Matos is the DBA U.S. Remodeling Construction.

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Is there anyone in the audience for that case?

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Mr. Chair, I do not see any hands raised for that matter, and I do not see the individuals

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in question. Okay, so MI 2024-005-972-4530 Blankinson Street, that case is continued,

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