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Stated Meeting, May 13, 2021

Philadelphia City CouncilMay 13, 2021

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Councilwoman Richardson

I call for the orders of the day. 01:01:33

Council President Clarke

Well, I had -- Councilwoman, there were a couple of members that had teed up for a point of clarification, so I don't want to diminish their interest in this. And 01:01:47 I know if you call for the vote, I understand we're supposed to call for the vote. So those members that have expressed an interest in teeing up -- 01:02:02

Councilman Green

Council President, I will close my point of information.

Councilwoman Bass

Mr. President? 01:02:10 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Councilwoman Gym

I would like a point of clarification, Council President. Mine will be -

Council President Clarke

01:02:16 Councilwoman Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Yeah. I need to be brief, but I think it's important to put something on the record, because there's extensive work in this 01:02:24 area, as Councilmember Gym mentioned. And I really believe -- I wanted to ask the resolution sponsor, this should be a call for a hearing and a public discussion for all the reasons the debate 01:02:37 is happening as we're looking at 21st century policing. My request yesterday to the Police Commissioner was specifically around an update to the Justice 01:02:49 Department report that really laid out the changing of policy around use of deadly force and all of these restraint measures, and this is one of the reasons I requested that update from her, because 01:03:02 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING I think it's a valuable conversation to have. I just don't think that making a statement versus calling for a public 01:03:09 hearing is what we should be doing given the nuances and the interpretations. So that's my point of clarification. There's a lot of stuff on the books. The Police Commissioner is 01:03:18 going to submit that to us before the end of this budget cycle as an update to policy and practice. And that's my point for the record. Thank you, Mr. President. 01:03:31

Councilwoman Gym

Mr. President, Council President, I also had a point of clarification.

Councilwoman Parker

Excuse me. Excuse me. 01:03:38

Councilman Oh

Let me kind of do it one at a time, if you don't mind.

Councilwoman Parker

Excuse me.

Councilman Oh

I can't answer 01:03:42 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING like five different points after people make them.

Council President Clarke

A little order, please. All right? 01:03:45 Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez has been teed up. Councilwoman Gym has been teed up. Councilman Oh, and you know I'm a very patient person. Some people like 01:03:59 to --

Councilwoman Bass

Mr. President?

Councilman Oh

I'm very patient too. Listen, let me, if you 01:04:05 don't mind, Council President, if I could just answer Councilwoman Sanchez rather than trying to remember the question and go through like a bunch of Councilmembers. I don't know if I'll 01:04:15 remember at the end of that. So in answer to Councilmember Sanchez's point, I think a hearing is a wonderful idea. However, as you stated, minimum force training is not up to City 01:04:28 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING Council. That is something that is within the purview of the Administration and the Police Commissioner. However, what is in our purview 01:04:37 is funding. What is in our purview is certain aspects of that, because minimum force training does not just happen out of thin air. There has to be made by the Police Commissioner and the 01:04:56 Administration what they're going to do. They have to create a program. City Council will not be involved in creating a program. We can have a hearing on it. They have to create a program. Then they 01:05:07 have to decide how they're going to implement that program. For example, if officers who are, for example, patrol officers or officers who are engaged in making 01:05:19 arrests are going to receive mandatory minimum force training, how do they do it, where do they do it, do they do it at the Police Academy, do they do it at a local approved provider such as a 01:05:31 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING certified martial arts school, what program are they getting? If they are receiving that training, who is paying for it? What if they get hurt while they 01:05:43 are getting this training? Is that covered by workers' compensation? Are they expected to do this on their own time? What is the incentive? If they're doing it on job time, does that take them 01:05:56 off of their shift? Those issues have to be first worked out by the Administration and they have to decide if they're going to do that, and then they would present to us, City Council, a budget request if 01:06:12 that is something that they're going to try to pursue. So that is why I did it in terms of a resolution, because that is going to be something that is completely 01:06:23 within the purview of the Administration. Thank you.

Councilwoman Parker

Mr. President, I just want to note for the record that I'm having technical 01:06:33 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING difficulties and my hand up function is not working, but I did, Mr. President, in lieu of all of the conversation and dialogue surrounding Resolution No. 01:06:44 210434, if an order at this time, Mr. President, wanted to make a motion that 210434 be tabled. (Duly seconded.)

Councilwoman Gym

Council 01:06:59 President, could I just have a point of clarification just -

Councilwoman Parker

Excuse me, Councilwoman -

Council President Clarke

Hold 01:07:06 on, guys. It was moved and seconded. Councilwoman Gym, you had a point of clarification?

Councilwoman Gym

Thank you 01:07:12 very much. I have had a chance to communicate with Commissioner Outlaw, and I feel very strongly about this. For the Council sponsor, it is inaccurate to say that the police 01:07:20 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING officers of the PPD are only trained in lethal force. She made very clear to me that there is a minimum force directive already in play and that officers are 01:07:30 trained accordingly. The mythology that somehow our problems with policing are based on the fact that officers are only trained in lethal force, do not have minimum training obviates the fact that 01:07:42 the bigger issue is in play, which is how are we de-escalating within our communities. That is the problem fundamentally with the resolution, that it is inaccurate by saying that police 01:07:56 officers are not trained in minimum force training and that somehow this is a magic bullet while, maybe intentionally, I'm not clear, disparaging significant efforts that this Council body has 01:08:13 undertaken to take a look at other forms of interaction that are critically important if we are going to both raise up public confidence and trust in policing and to improve public safety in 01:08:26 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING the City of Philadelphia. The Commissioner herself has clarified that the PPD is not solely trained in lethal force. So comments to 01:08:36 that effect are inaccurate, and they are not -- I feel like they are irresponsible in the sense that they deflect away from why this Council body has been so engaged and is so important in discussing 01:08:53 alternatives and expansion, and in the wake of George Floyd, we are not doing things that create unintentional consequences. We are being very purposeful and research based and 01:09:06 evidence based about what this city needs to pursue in the wake of what has happened, not just to George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, but to people here in our own city. 01:09:18 Thank you very much, Council President. I will be voting no.

Council President Clarke

Thank you.

Councilman Oh

I would like to 01:09:23 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING respond to that, Council President.

Councilwoman Bass

Mr. President, there is -

Council President Clarke

Hold 01:09:28 on. Hold on. All right. Councilman, I'm going to ask you, do you want to hold the resolution? Because there was a call to the question. So either you can hold it or I have to respond to the call of 01:09:38 the question.

Councilman Oh

You know, I don't have a problem holding the bill. It is -- however, I think there is some misinformation that I will have to 01:09:52 respond to.

Council President Clarke

Well, I mean, there's a call to the question, Councilman. I'm giving you an opportunity to hold it and then you can 01:10:00 have further conversations with the colleagues.

Councilman Oh

Well, let's run the bill. People can vote against it. They want to vote against minimum force 01:10:11 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING training resolution to the City, that's fine with me.

Council President Clarke

Okay. It was a call to the question by 01:10:16 Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson.

Chief Clerk

Mr. President?

Council President Clarke

Yes, Mr. Decker.

Chief Clerk

There was a 01:10:26 seconded motion on the floor to table by Councilwoman Parker. That motion is considered without debate.

Council President Clarke

Okay. Well -- 01:10:34

Chief Clerk

Does Councilwoman Parker withdraw that motion?

Council President Clarke

The call to the question was first, I believe. 01:10:40

Councilman Green

Correct.

Council President Clarke

And we kind of -

Councilman Oh

Well, there was a call to the question -- 01:10:47 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Chief Clerk

The call for order or the call for the previous question? The call for previous question will require four seconds. 01:10:52

Council President Clarke

All right. There's a motion to table on the floor. Our parliamentarian has spoken. Call to table. It's been moved and properly seconded. 01:11:03 All in favor? (Aye.)

Council President Clarke

Those opposed?

Councilman O'Neill

No. 01:11:12

Council President Clarke

The ayes have it and the resolution is tabled. Thank you all very much. Democracy in action. I love it. 01:11:23 Mr. Decker, please read the title of 210203.

Councilman Oh

Well, Council President, I feel I should respond and have the opportunity to respond to 01:11:35 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING inaccurate statements made by Councilmember Gym.

Council President Clarke

Councilman Oh, can you -- 01:11:40

Councilman Green

Council President?

Council President Clarke

Can you do that at the time of the speeches on behalf of the minority and majority? 01:11:46 You will have that -

Councilman Oh

I can. I will wait until then.

Council President Clarke

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. 01:11:51 Mr. Decker, 210203.

Chief Clerk

An ordinance authorizing and approving the execution and delivery of one or more Service Agreements between The City of 01:12:03 Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Redevelopment Authority and/or one or more other City-related Authorities relating to the financing of a Neighborhood Preservation Initiative 01:12:13 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING which includes housing, commercial corridors, and neighborhood infrastructure programs; approving the issuance by each such Authority of bonds, 01:12:21 notes or other evidences of indebtedness (including reimbursement obligations related to lines or letters of credit) in one or more series to finance or refinance such initiative and authorizing 01:12:31 and approving the obligation of The City of Philadelphia to pay in full when due the Service Fee and other amounts payable under each Service Agreement.

Council President Clarke

01:12:43 Thank you. This bill having been read on two different days, the question is now shall the bill pass finally. Mr. Decker, please call the roll. 01:12:51

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Brooks. 01:12:55 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Councilwoman Brooks

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Domb.

Councilman Domb

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman 01:12:59 Gauthier.

Councilwoman Gauthier

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson.

Councilwoman Richardson

Aye. 01:13:10

Chief Clerk

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gym.

Councilwoman Gym

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Henon. 01:13:18 (No response.)

Chief Clerk

Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Henon

Aye.

Councilman Johnson

Aye. 01:13:31

Chief Clerk

Councilman Jones is voting aye. Councilman Oh.

Chief Clerk

Councilman 01:13:36 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING O'Neill.

Councilman O'Neill

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Parker. 01:13:42

Councilwoman Parker

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman 01:13:46 Squilla.

Councilman Squilla

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Thomas.

Councilman Thomas

Aye. 01:13:54

Chief Clerk

Council President Clarke.

Council President Clarke

Aye. The ayes are 17; the nays are zero. A majority of all members having 01:13:59 voted in the affirmative, the bill passes. Mr. Decker, please read the title of Bill No. 210286.

Chief Clerk

An ordinance 01:14:07 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING establishing no truck parking and tow away zone regulations on Haldeman Avenue, both sides, from Clark Street to Red Lion Road. 01:14:15

Council President Clarke

This bill having been read on two different days, the question now is shall the bill pass finally. Mr. Decker, call the roll. 01:14:16

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Brooks.

Councilwoman Brooks

Aye.

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Councilman Domb.

Councilman Domb

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gauthier.

Councilwoman Gauthier

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson.

Councilwoman Richardson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Green. Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Councilman Green

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gym.

Councilwoman Gym

Aye.

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Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Jones is voting aye. Councilman Oh.

Chief Clerk

Councilman O'Neill.

Councilman O'Neill

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Parker.

Councilwoman Parker

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Squilla.

Councilman Squilla

Aye. Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

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Councilman Thomas.

Councilman Thomas

Aye.

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Council President Clarke.

Council President Clarke

Aye. The ayes are 17; the nays are zero. A majority of all members present voting in the affirmative, the bill 01:14:40 passes. Mr. Decker, please read the title of 210287.

Chief Clerk

An ordinance establishing no truck parking and tow 01:15:32 away zone regulations on Tomlinson Road, both sides, from Bustleton Avenue to Lindsay Street.

Council President Clarke

This bill having been read on two different 01:15:40 days, the question now is shall the bill pass finally. Mr. Decker, call the roll.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Bass. Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Councilwoman Bass

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Brooks.

Councilwoman Brooks

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Domb.

Councilman Domb

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gauthier.

Councilwoman Gauthier

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson.

Councilwoman Richardson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gym.

Councilwoman Gym

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Jones is voting aye. Councilman Oh. Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Chief Clerk

Councilman O'Neill.

Councilman O'Neill

Aye.

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Councilwoman Parker.

Councilwoman Parker

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Squilla.

Councilman Squilla

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Thomas.

Councilman Thomas

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Council President Clarke.

Council President Clarke

Aye. The ayes are 17; the nays are zero. A majority of all members present voting in the affirmative, the bill passes. Mr. Decker, please read the 01:16:42 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING title of 210288.

Chief Clerk

An ordinance establishing no truck parking and tow away zone regulations on Brookmont Road, 01:16:49 both sides, from Ferndale Street to Medway Road.

Council President Clarke

This bill having been read on two different days, the question now is shall the bill 01:16:55 pass finally. Mr. Decker, call the roll.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Brooks.

Councilwoman Brooks

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Domb.

Councilman Domb

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gauthier.

Councilwoman Gauthier

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson. Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Councilwoman Richardson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Aye.

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Councilwoman Gym.

Councilwoman Gym

Aye.

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Councilman Henon.

Councilman Henon

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Johnson.

Councilman Johnson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Jones is voting aye. Councilman Oh.

Chief Clerk

Councilman O'Neill.

Councilman O'Neill

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Parker.

Councilwoman Parker

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Quinones-Sanchez.

Councilwoman Sanchez

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING Squilla.

Councilman Squilla

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Thomas.

Councilman Thomas

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Council President Clarke.

Council President Clarke

Aye. The ayes are 17; the nays are 01:17:52 zero. A majority of all members present voting in the affirmative, the bill passes. Mr. Decker, please read the title of Bill No. 210289. 01:18:00

Chief Clerk

An ordinance establishing no truck parking and tow away zone regulations on Bridle Road, both sides, from Brookmont Road to Bartlett Street. 01:18:11

Council President Clarke

This bill having been read on two different days, the question now is shall the bill pass finally. Mr. Decker, call the roll. 01:18:12 Stated Meeting May 13, 2021 5/13/21 - STATED - 2ND READING

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Bass.

Councilwoman Bass

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Brooks.

Councilwoman Brooks

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Domb.

Councilman Domb

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gauthier.

Councilwoman Gauthier

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilwoman Gilmore Richardson.

Councilwoman Richardson

Aye.

Chief Clerk

Councilman Green.

Councilman Green

Aye.

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Councilwoman Gym.

Councilwoman Gym

Aye.