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ZBA Hearing - April 8, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Apr 8, 20251h 13m

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Okay. Thank you.

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Good morning.

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At least proceed, counsel.

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Yeah. Hi, Connie.

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Two things. One is, did you hear my presentation in terms of?

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Yes, I did.

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Okay. And if you testified, would you be able to testify substantially and adopt my testimony as truthful?

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Yes, I will.

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And you wanted to add something. Let me jump in there and see if you wanted to add something.

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I was just going to say, we've been actually, this July will be 19 years that we've been operating Frankie's Road.

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And this indeed is because you essentially have to move from Poplar Street and you did a long search with your board of directors and everything.

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And this property seems to be ideal for what your needs are?

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Yes, it does. With the open space in the offices, we will actually be gaining about 4,000 square feet,

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which is desperately needed okay thank you mr perney what are the other uses in the building

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uh there's a rather limited uh but there is there are three uses that i noted there's a recording

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studio on the second story uh there is a storage area here that's used primarily uh there's an

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italian american club that uses it uh for storage and there's also some mummers storage i didn't

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include the photographs, but there are photographs of mummers' costumes and so forth. This is down

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in the area, Pennsport mummers, Italian-American, and so forth. So it's really light use now.

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The people, as per the letter that the owner noted, it's up here, okay, indicated and so forth,

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as of right industrial, but they have not

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pursued industrial. They were in music

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recording studio storage tenants,

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bouts of properties with Frankie Worlds

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and a professional office tenant.

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So we asked the owner

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as to what their plans were

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and they provided that information.

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They attended Whitman Council

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and so forth and everybody seems to be

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happy with

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having Frankie's World move into

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this space.

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Questions from the board?

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Yes. Can you show me again how the children, particularly those who might have a wheelchair or something like that, are going to access the ramp and actually get into the space?

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Absolutely. And Connie, as she indicated, has been dealing with disabled child, children who suffer disabilities for 19 years now. This has been designed by.

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I know Ms. Lockwood.

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Okay, so here is what the plan is.

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This is a private access way.

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Vehicles, including handicap accessible vehicles and so forth,

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would be able to come in off of Water Street.

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It's a wide, I'll show you that, but it's a wide gated area here.

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They will come in here and be able to turn around.

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And the proposed new entry is right here.

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There's an ADA compliant ramp, and there's a dedicated entrance right here that pre-exists right now.

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It's an old loading dock area and so forth.

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So this will all be upgraded to an access ramp and so forth with a drop-off.

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So if they drop off children here on the ground level, there's a slight rise up to the first level with a large entrance here that's going to be pre-existing.

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and this it's already pre-existing and then a ramp up and then we will come into the Jackson

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Street area which is area here so you see here where they come in and go into the space separate

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from the staff area okay and then is there a separate entrance for um those who are using

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the second floor and is that completely separate from the space that will be used by

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the center? Yes, there are multiple entrances in terms of access. There's a right here

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is the former main access where this comes in. This is sealed off from the center and then there's

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where this comes in this is sealed off from the center and then there's stairs

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stairs.

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or wide stairs to go up to the second floor here there's also going to be a separate entrance for

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staff this is primarily a staff area here so i'm not i'm not worried about the people that are

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working within the facility i'm work i'm worried about the uh that there's a separation from those

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who might be using the other commercial spaces within the building on the second floor.

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There's a main entrance right here so that those people who want to access the second floor come

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in here and go up the stairs. There'll be essentially a sealed doorway here that goes into

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the Frankie's World. So this is a common area here.

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okay and then my last question what were the hours again for this um facility sure connie

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what are your normal hours going to be frankie's world operates from 7 a.m children start leaving

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at 3 30 and we close the doors at five and that's that's five days a week five days a week okay

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thank you all the questions for the board yeah could you just clarify for me

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um you said that the front entrance where people go to get on the second floor you said there's a

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door that they can access to get to frankie's world right there is that where your second

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cursor is that will be a fire door with a um exit only from frankie's world there'll be no

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entrance allowed where's the emergency egress for those with wheelchairs

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where's the i'm sorry where's the left there another emergency egress or fire exit for

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those with wheelchairs we are talking to our um architect about the door that we just discussed

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being the fire door having a um i'm not sure exactly what they call it but it there's a

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storage area right there where we could put down a, it's a portable ramp. It's made by Rubbermaid

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and it's made to go right on top of stairs. You've seen them a lot in churches. The ramp

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is one foot per two inches, which is not quite what is recommended, but it's still within the

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reasonable way of getting the children out a second entrance there on the other side there

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is another exit pardon me do you know if that's going to meet your fire code requirement for

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legal i believe it is and there is another entrance if you look to the opposite side of

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the screen you'll see some dark areas and there's an entrance there that goes into a very large

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courtyard that's shared by um uh another building on the other side which i i believe is a um it's

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like a cash and carry type place for groceries but there is um a large area out there and there

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will be yeah right over the right you can see right where you are there roger that that goes

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into a courtyard and there's no stairs that goes right out onto another yes gotcha okay

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any other questions for the board

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yes one more um is there a play area for the children the okay um a lot of our children

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are heat and sun sensitive so what we have if you look at the dark area where we were just

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discussing is what we have in this building we call tricycle alley there's there's a swing set

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there's bicycles um we are going to have some type of jungle gym indoors um we also have um these

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rolling carts that you

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can put children in. I'm sure you've seen them at daycares. There are six

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in a rolling cart. And there's a playground

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at 2nd and Jackson that we have access to. So it's

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a block and a half away.

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For the children that can go outside. A lot of our children are not allowed to.

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Understood. Thank you.

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Question from our attorney, Hillary Emerson.

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Not at this time, Mr. Chair.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience or the audience here?

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I see no hands.

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Planning Commission, do you want to change your position?

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No, sir. We'll stand on our position that we gave the last time.

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Stay with your position.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay. So, Council, we're going to hold this and talk about it in an executive session.

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And Hillary, what's the date? We're not here next week. It'll be the following Wednesday.

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And, Hillary, what's the date?

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We're not here next week. It'll be the following Wednesday.

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Yes, that sorry. Yes, that will be April 23rd, 930 that we would vote.

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April 23rd, we will vote at 930, Mr. Perry. And thank you, Mr. Perry.

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Thank you. I'll note that. Thank you very much.

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All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

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Number five and number six, we'll hear it together. MI 2024-005-664-7213 Edmond Street and MI 2024-006-093-7211 Edmond Street. Alan Nocklinson is the attorney.

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There's a letter of support from Taconi Civic Association, and they're both resumptive hearings.

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all right mr knockamson just for the record please state your name

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alan knockamson and as we stated mr knockamson this will be a result of hearing and we'll be

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looking for an update from the applicant about revised plans you'll have questions from the

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board public testimony and the planning commission yes why don't you start and we're going to do both

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at the same time thank you um i did create combined presentation materials for purposes

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of this hearing i did make separate submissions for each of the testimony appeals uh may i share

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my screen yes just make sure I have the right one all right so let's just get to the heart of the

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matter, the revised plans. So just as again, as a reminder, we're here to take these two separate

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zoning appeals where there's two separate properties and we're essentially dividing it up

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to four duplexes. It's not out of character to have duplexes here where 7224, 7226, 7228, and 7230

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are also duplexes on that block.

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I'm just going to go through quickly through the refusals.

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So that's the first refusal.

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The second refusal has to do with the maximum occupied area

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where the refusals are generally the same

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in terms of the refusals.

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Maybe the percentages may change a little bit,

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but that's a diminished refusal

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of where we're requesting to have an occupied area of 52.2%.

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We're trying to have nice floor plans for these properties.

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Second refusal is the front yard depth, where eight feet is required and we're proposing six feet 11 inches.

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Again, not out of character and I'll just quickly go through those drawings.

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The fourth refusal has to do with side yard width.

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So just quickly to just show you just that what we're proposing is not out of character.

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in terms of those dimensional refusals. As you can see here,

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we have nearby properties with non-conforming front yard depths.

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And then we have nearby properties with minimal or no side yard depths. I will say that the

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properties that we have that are unrelated to us, to left and right of us, have significant

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side yard depths in that it helps us in terms of our smaller side yard depth. So we're not

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affecting the people to the left and right of us. And in terms of our side, your depth of three feet,

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eight inches. If you combine it, it's seven feet, six inches. So there's ample side your depth.

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Now, in terms of our revised plans, I have them here. So there were several comments that were

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made to us at the initial hearing. First was about egress in the rear for the for the lower floor

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unit. So what we suggested at the hearing and what we have done here is we have created

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egress steps. Like instead of just having an egress well, we have a staircase to the rear

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yard so someone could just walk out. And that was something we proposed at the original hearing.

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We also increased the height of the lower level by two feet, eight inches to provide more light

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and air, which was very important, um, discussion, um, during our last hearing. Um, and we also

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eliminated the egress well in the front. Uh, so we're not going to have to living in the,

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in the front in the basement. Um, but we have, because that was a concern because where the

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egress well was going to work was inside the, uh, the front porch. And it was concerned about like,

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and it was concern about like what if someone puts patio furniture there someone's not going

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what if someone puts patio furniture there, someone's not going to be able to

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to be able to get it in there so we eliminated the the living in the basement in the front we

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Thank you.

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by raising the building where we got the extra light is we put windows underneath the porch as

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well so now we have windows all around the perimeter for windows more light in there for

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the people downstairs we have egress in the back we've eliminated that concern of the board with

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the porch. And we also there was one thing with the side, what

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did we do with the side? Oh, we provide exterior ramp inside

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yards to access side unit entry door. So again, providing more

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entry access for the that lower level units. So we have two sets

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of revised plans, one for each project, given, you know, you

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unanimous support from the community which is well documented the petition and our efforts to

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conform in more towards the philadelphia zoning code we respectfully request that the board grant

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these variances thank you do you want to bring your client on to adopt uh yes so we should have

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Admir Bihari, who should be in the virtual audience.

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Admir Bihari, please accept the panelists.

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Hello?

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Hi, could you please state your name as Bell for the sonographer?

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Hey, my name is Admir Bahari. It's A-D-A-M-I-R, and last name is B-H-A-R-I.

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Stonographer, did you get that?

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Yes, Chair. Thank you.

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Okay, thank you. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Yes. Admir, you heard everything I had to state today about your zoning matter.

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Yes.

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And is it true and correct?

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Yes.

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and do you adopt this your own testimony yes sir thank you questions from the court

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can you pull up the floor plans again sure

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and it looked like there's a reduction in stories is it it's now two stories um i don't

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from the rendering i think the rendering doesn't give it justice but let me just let me see what

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we have here. Yeah, I think it was a setback in the front, by the way. And that's why it looks

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like it again to mimic the architecture on the block where you see a lot of two stories. So from

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the front, it looks like a two story structure. Again, it's a porch neighborhood, we mimic that

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architecture as well. But let me go through the floor plans.

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That's the inspiration behind, you know, the design.

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Okay, so you have like an entryway for the upper level unit in the front of the building,

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and you have an entryway for the lower level unit on the side.

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So as you can see here, there is an open floor plan of a kitchen and a dining area.

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there's a bathroom and there's bedrooms there's an open floor plan down here for additional space

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and there's one additional bedroom and with a bathroom down there but now we have direct access

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