Roderick Lyles, the Fiscal Officer for OHCD. It became the financial department policy, if you will, two years ago that any grant award appropriations that were not obligated at the end of any given fiscal year would have to be reestablished with new appropriations the subsequent year, and that is what this dollar amount represents. And that has -- as I said, it was a new policy that went into effect in, I believe it was, two years ago.
-- allocated, designated? I mean, what's the status of the, basically, $23 million? We just have it, and we are trying to figure out what to do with it? MS. McCOLLOCH: No. It is budgeted. 380 Bill Nos. 030004, 030008, and 030010 - 2/24/03 In any given year, I am just arbitrarily saying, let's say we get $60 million in Community Development Block Grant funds. We don't spend down to the penny during that year.
Sure. Same thing happens on the capital side. MS. McCOLLOCH: Projects takes longer than a year, so on and so forth. So at June 30, we have, I am making up a number, million unspent funds, but they are for 12 developments or projects or programs for which 13 funding has been budgeted. 14
But I am assuming, 15 though, because Rob will probably have a heart 16 attack on there, you don't want to leave on the 17 record that it is anywhere near $20 million in one 18 year. 19 I assume what you are really talking 20 about here is, as they say, it is a million here, it is a million there, and over the years it has added up -- MS. McCOLLOCH: It is a cumulative effect. Right.
-- and this is the 381 Bill Nos. 030004, 030008, and 030010 - 2/24/03 big number? MS. McCOLLOCH: We are entering into Year 29, so we have 28 years worth of programs in which funds have been --
Are you suggesting that program income is the same from year to year, or that it gradually increases on a proportional basis? MS. McCOLLOCH: This is not program income. This is --
The funds that were not obligated. MS. McCOLLOCH: They are obligated, but they are not spent.
These are funds that were not spent, were not directly obligated, put in the contract, but they are, quote, unquote, obligated? You forget, I was on the other side before. I understand what that means. MS. McCOLLOCH: I don't forget you were on the other side.
My question really was just along the lines of, you said, basically, 382 Bill Nos. 030004, 030008, and 030010 - 2/24/03 this million or so happened over 28 years of Community Development Block Grant Program. Is that true? Has it actually been a proportional contribution each year? Has it been anywhere equal, or is there actually some point where there was a slow-down within the last few years, within the last five years, where there was a significant amount of money unspent?
The major portion of the 22 11 million would apply mostly to the more recent fiscal 12 years. 13
So a couple of years 14 where there was tens of millions of dollars unspent? 15
Thank you. 20 Ms. McColloch, this is the last question, at least for me. MS. McCOLLOCH: I have heard that before. That's going to be enough to make you ask me more than one question.
You caught me. You 383 Bill Nos. 030004, 030008, and 030010 - 2/24/03 finally picked up on the fact that that actually doesn't mean that this is the last question. You are the only person that has ever said that. I wrote to you back on January of this 6 year regarding the adapted modification and SHARP 7 programs. And I know that we asked our usual dozen-plus questions. But, if you could get a response back, I would greatly appreciate it. MS. McCOLLOCH: Yes. In fact, I reviewed a draft response to your letter this morning. It is being revised. You should get it by the end of the week.
Are there any other questions from members of the committee? Seeing none. Thank you all so very much. Thank you for your patience. The committee will stand in recess until tomorrow, Tuesday, February 25, at 9:30. Thank you all very much. (Hearing adjourned at 5:15 p.m.) 384 C E R T I F I C A T I O N I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing proceedings of the Council of the City of Philadelphia of Monday, February 24, 2003, were reported fully and accurately by me, and that this is a correct transcript of same. RE: COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE _____________________________________ DEBRA A. WHITEHEAD