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ZBA Hearing - October 21, 2026

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 21, 20266h 42m

in addition to what's on the first floor of the grocery store that that still stands yeah

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i'm just talking about the uh sec the second part would you show that do you have plans for

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the second floor where the deck where you're you've enclosed the deck with a we're thinking

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that's possibly what it is we we went over this for quite a while yesterday trying to figure out

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what was actually at play in here i was under the impression that what was in play was the steps

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here are the drawings

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this is the area that I'm circling that

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council is questioning

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the second no no no no go back

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that appears to be what was submitted

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your plans the stairway from our

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understanding talking to Al and I is not part of

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what was reviewed

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so basically it's an illegal deck with a fence around it

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well that's what we think you were trying to include yeah we continue this i think we need

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to continue this i think we're going to have to to figure out because if you believe it's the

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stairwell that is not what l and i is looking at so do you want this to be a resumptive hearing

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i think we need to um do we want to ask is the applicant aware of what's happening or do we just

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want to deal with what the lawyer is so why don't we why don't we just get the continuance and then

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i can speak to my client right and then we could be in a better position to respond the resumptive

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hearing date is 2 2 27 at 9 30 a.m and i think what we have to do is you have to go back to l and i

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and be sure about exactly what this case is about okay and to clarify also whether the deck is being

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enclosed just so we know that thank you right just one minute calendar wise i may be on trial

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let me just so i think what you're going to have to do is you're going to have to go back

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and talk to the to our administrators and figure that out okay very well thank you

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mr chair we excused you you most certainly are and um thank you for your

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thank you all right so number 10 mi2026 001 675 1925 east ontario street charles allen is the

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owner applicant. Good morning, sir.

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Yeah, just pull that. You can pull it right up next to you, okay? Thank you, guys. Could you

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please state and spell your name for the stenographer? Yes, my name is Charles Allen.

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That's spelled C-H-A-R-L-E-S-A-L-L-E-N.

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You swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do.

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Mr. Allen, our vice chair, has a few questions for you.

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Good morning.

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Have you submitted your documents in exhibit 14 days in advance of this hearing?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Okay.

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And we see here that you're requesting staff assistance during your presentation?

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I did.

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I just bought my laptop, but I requested staff assistance just in case.

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All right. And we understand that you're here for legalization of a two-family household.

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Well, right now it's currently known as a RSA 5, so a single family, but it is currently like physically a duplex.

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Right, right. Yep. That's why you were introduced. Okay. All right. Thank you.

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You can, I guess your assistance will be helping you with your presentation. You can start.

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is there something that i plug into or do i have to like join the meeting

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ian are we uh are we doing his slides too i am prepared to show the slides chair if that's why

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why don't you show the slides and he'll talk he'll do the slides for you okay so the one he would

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specifically focus on will be the one that says deed merged to pdf if he could yeah sorry there's

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a lot of stuff submitted but that one should have pretty much everything in there yep that would be

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the correct one so that's your deed right yep okay so it will start with the deed this is just

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It will start with a D. This is just showing proof of ownership, going no further.

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showing proof of ownership uh going no further

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We have all your documents, so we know that you turned in everything you should have.

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Awesome.

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So why don't you say what you're trying to do?

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Yes, sir. So basically, before I broke the property, it was converted into a duplex.

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Yes, ma'am.

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So when I bought the property, it was already converted into a duplex.

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At some point, I wanted to rent it out.

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I found out it wasn't zoned correctly.

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It was zoned as an RSA-5.

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I also want to make sure everything is done correctly.

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When did you buy the property?

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I bought it about two years ago.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So here's the way you want to talk about that, how it's laid out.

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Yes, yes.

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So the first floor in the basement would be one apartment.

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The basement is accessible from the first floor only.

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uh then the second floor uh i'm sorry let me be more specific so uh both apartments the first

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floor and the second floor have separate entrances uh the red brick side of the building will be the

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first floor entrance and the basement is only accessible from that first floor apartment uh

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the second floor apartment is only accessible from the on what we call the ontario street side

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which would be the white face brick side uh and that goes upstairs into the second floor apartment

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to make it easier why don't you show us the photos then we can come back and if we have to okay

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Yes, sir.

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Ian, could you show the photos?

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Want to explain what that is?

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Yes, so that is the entrance to the first floor apartment.

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Okay.

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And that will be the, when you immediately enter, this is what you're going to see.

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This will be like the kitchen area, and immediately to your right would be the living room area.

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Immediately to your left would be the entrance to the bathroom, and then the entrance to the bedroom.

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Okay.

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Tell me what's in the basement.

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The basement is pretty much just empty.

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It's just storage, but that's also where both hot water tanks

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and the, what do you call it, the electrical meters are.

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Okay.

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What's that there?

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The second floor?

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So this right here is still the first floor.

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So when you get to the part of the presentation

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where there is a white-faced part of the building,

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it will be a separate door.

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That will be the entrance to the second floor.

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I see that, okay.

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that's the backyard that's correct and that's the white face yes all right and that's the

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second floor that's correct okay and all this work was done before you you that's correct okay

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you did the postings right okay

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okay uh this is ian that's the end of the presentation

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Is there anything else you want to tell us?

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No, that is pretty much it.

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Do you rent both or do you live in one?

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So I'm going to be moving into the bottom apartment.

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The upstairs is not rented because it is not zoned correctly.

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I didn't feel comfortable doing that.

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Sure, sure.

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Okay, questions from the board.

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Yeah, what's the configuration of the apartments?

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Are there two bedrooms, one bedroom?

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No, so they're both one-bedroom apartments.

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They're both one-bedroom apartments.

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And how did our seal meeting go?

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It went well.

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I believe they were going to be the ones to send the actual approval here.

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I did get their approval.

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I just, I never received a letter from them.

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Okay, thank you.

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I have a question about the layouts for the kitchen.

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Where are the refrigerators going to go?

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Yes, ma'am.

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So if we were to go back to the pictures, I guess it was poorly captured on my end.

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So right now on the first floor, it seems like there's a oven facing this way, like

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facing you when you first come in.

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So basically that's going to be pushed this way and there's going to be a refrigerator

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up against the wall for the first floor.

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For the second fork of fligoration, there is actually a refrigerator upstairs.

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when you come up the stairs

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to your left next to the window is where the

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refrigerator currently is.

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So it wouldn't

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be blocking any... Across? Yes.

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The way from this photo? Yes.

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And then how are the ovens

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being... Do you know if they're being...

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So they're all electrical

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and they all have their own outlets.

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Other questions?

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Trash. Just trash storage

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for both units. What's the trash plan

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for the building? Yes, ma'am. So for

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the first floor, it will be kept inside that little

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back we call patio area

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I guess is the best they say backyard area

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and the person that would live upstairs would be

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responsible for like keeping it upstairs

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are you opposed to proviso

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that requires interior trash storage

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I'm not opposed

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buy those okay and just so you know like best practice is to do a vented trash closet so you'd

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and just so you know like

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best practices to do a vented trash

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have to do a little bit of construction to add a closet that could hold it okay and then when you

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say a vented class i'm sorry a vented trash closet is that like an exterior thing or is it

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an interior thing it's just a it's a closet that has a vent so that the you know get out yeah

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exactly um and then my second question is what's the plan for property maintenance

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for the second floor if all of their utility connections and meters are in the basement

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that they don't have access to uh so when it comes to that i do have a person that i'm gonna

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say person a company that kind of helps out when it comes to like picking out the uh the rental

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um actually can i ask you a question can you further clarify that question for me please

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yes so you said all of the meters for the building are in the basement and so like the

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person on the second floor would not have access to their pico meter or their water meter so if

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anything needed to be serviced they have no access to the basement because they'd have to go through

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the other tenants apartment what is your plan for the property maintenance in those instances where

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they need to access that yeah so i do have a property manager that they can actually contact

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so if any issue does come up where it's like hey i need to get access to that uh there is a party

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that's always going to be available for them to contact to be able to get access to uh downstairs

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okay for the first for the first floor unit um you've got that bedroom in the back which is

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always an issue um is there uh but you're on the corner it's a corner property is there another

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entrance into the backyard other than from the bedroom uh another entrance to the backyard other

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than from the bedroom right is there is there a gate to the to the backyard from the sidewalk

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Well, right now it's not a gate.

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Being that there is no actual physical door,

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it was just for, you know, to keep people from trespassing.

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There was a wooden board put up,

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but that would be where a doorway is.

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So that would be the secondary entrance.

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Okay, and that's off to the,

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and that is to the sidewalk.

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That is correct.

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Okay.

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Questions from our attorney?

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No questions at this time, Mr. Chairman.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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There are no hands.

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Planning commission.

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Hold on just a minute, Chair. My computer decided to-

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Okay, take a refresh.

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Thanks.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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All right, Chairman. Good morning, Chair and Board members, David Fecta with the City

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planning commission right the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the rsa 5 residential

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single-family zoning at this location the city rezoned this neighborhood in 2017 in accord with

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recommendations in the comprehensive plan this is a primarily single-family block base this appears to

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be a legalization of a pre-existing duplex built without the benefit of permits through no fault of

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current owner the city planning commission recommends that the board grant the proposed

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