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Committee Hearing, February 28, 2002

Philadelphia City Council Committee HearingsFeb 28, 2002

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Councilman Ortiz

Was he shackled?

Ms. Cannon

At the time when we arrived at the hospital, no, sir, he was not.

Councilman Ortiz

How many times before you got to see your brother did you contact the warden?

Ms. Cannon

Every day -- sometimes two and three times a day, to make sure that we could get in to see him. The guards would give us a very hard time at the door and throw us out.

Councilman Ortiz

How many times did you have to contact the warden before you got to see your brother?

Ms. Cannon

We contacted him three times the first day to get us in to see him.

Councilman Ortiz

Did you get to see him?

Ms. Cannon

Yes, we did, sir; we got to see him on the 17th. My mother got to see him on 62 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 the 17th; she was not aware of the situation until then.

Councilman Ortiz

And you say you were treated very badly.

Ms. Cannon

Very poorly.

Councilman Ortiz

Describe that to me. When you say "very poorly," what do you mean?

Ms. Cannon

Well, when we would go to see my brother, the guards would be sitting very close to my brother's bed, eating chicken, eating french fries, laughing.

Councilman Ortiz

But from Mr. Dunlevy, how was he in treating you?

Ms. Cannon

Very poorly. I mean, he was just -- he told us if we don't stop complaining that he was going to cut off our visitation altogether.

Councilman Ortiz

He what?

Ms. Cannon

Was going to cut off our visitation altogether.

Councilman Ortiz

If you didn't stop complaining?

Ms. Cannon

Right, that we could come see him like a regular prisoner, one hour every week or 63 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 whatever the regular visiting hours are at CFCF.

Councilman Ortiz

And to this day, you still have not received adequate information from them, right?

Ms. Cannon

To this day, I have no idea what happened.

Councilman Ortiz

We'll try to find out.

Ms. Cannon

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

Councilman Ortiz

Thank you.

Mr. Cannon

Thank you, Councilman.

Councilman Ortiz

Is Thomas Costello here?

Mr. Grooms

No, he's not.

Councilman Ortiz

Why isn't he here?

Mr. Grooms

I'm here in his stead.

Councilman Ortiz

But you're not the Commissioner.

Mr. Grooms

I'm the Deputy Commissioner.

Councilman Ortiz

And you're not the Commissioner.

Mr. Grooms

No, I'm not the Commissioner.

Councilman Ortiz

I understand that. Why isn't Thomas Costello here? 64 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598

Mr. Grooms

I cannot answer that.

Councilman Ortiz

What?

Mr. Grooms

I don't know why he isn't here; he sent me down.

Councilman Ortiz

I didn't ask for you; I asked for him.

Mr. Grooms

I understand that.

Councilman Ortiz

Well, let me -- let me put it this way. Why don't you come up, Mr. Grooms, a second. (Witness comes forward.)

Councilman Ortiz

I'm going to say this one time, one more time. Before, as chairman of this committee I take some action, we've been stonewalled in terms of information. I want all -- and I'm going to give you the timeline. I want all the reports that monitor, that review, that evaluate the performance of the PHS, all the reports. And that means all of the DePaul reports, all of them. If I don't get them, I want a written explanation from the City Solicitor, because then we will issue a subpoena for them. And when I request that an official of the 65 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 Administration is to be here, I want the person who makes the decisions to be here. So I will need -- I want to give you a 30-day period to submit to this Council the contract with PHS, all the reports evaluating the performance that have been done, all of the reports and evaluation that Dr. Robert Greiffinger has given, all of the reports of Dr. Patterson. And we will recess this hearing, and those reports are not to be in my office on the day of the hearing, because the staff has to be able to evaluate and go through them, and we have to have our own experts review those. And Mr. Costello is to be here. The budget period is not yet over either and he will be before this Council and I also will expect a written response as to why Mrs. Cannon's request and Mrs. Cannon's letters were not answered and a written explanation as to why a person, a family member that has someone that has been injured while incarcerated is given such a tough time and is not given the mere courtesies, pleasantries, and respectful treatment that any human being deserves. I want those in writing. 66 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 Okay? You got it all?

Mr. Grooms

I have it, Your Honor. Yes, I do.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Mr. Chairman?

Councilman Ortiz

Yes.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Good afternoon. I simply wanted to know if you had a chance to speak about the letter that we received this week and read into testimony.

Councilman Ortiz

Excuse me?

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

I wanted to know if you spoke with our guest regarding the letter we received this week and shared it with the Prison Commissioner?

Councilman Ortiz

The one we shared that you gave to me?

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Yes.

Councilman Ortiz

No, I have not, but we just had testimony from another family member that received the same sort of treatment that the family that wrote to you received.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Yes. Could we just hear for the record procedurally what 67 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 happens when families want to come visit their family members? Procedurally, what happens in terms of parking in the lot, walking from the lot to the designated spot? What happens at the desk, and all the steps that come with from the car to ultimately meeting with a family member?

Councilman Ortiz

Answer the question.

Mr. Grooms

And I'm pleased that you asked the question because I heard the letter read in City Council.

Councilman Ortiz

I read it.

Mr. Grooms

On Tuesday, that's correct.

Councilman Ortiz

Yes.

Mr. Grooms

And to be perfectly candid with you, I was appalled at the treatment that that person received. That is not the prison's policy, that is not the practice.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Okay.

Mr. Grooms

And I assure you that I will be responding to that situation with the warden of the institution -- not only with the warden of the institution, but after the investigation is complete. And once we determine who those officers were that allegedly was rude to the gentleman, we 68 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 will take firm disciplinary action, I assure you of that. But, once again, I was appalled when I heard the letter. It's not something that I would allow, it's not something that we support, and certainly, I will be addressing those issues with the warden and the staff at Curran Fromhold.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

With that said, we should put on the record that it was actually a seven-month-pregnant lady who --

Councilman Ortiz

Nine months' pregnant.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Nine months' pregnant. So with that said, what is the SOP, standard operating procedure?

Mr. Grooms

If I remember correctly the letter, she was getting someone out on bail. When you come up and get somebody out on bail, you go to the officer in the lobby; the officer in the lobby notifies someone from the record room, and they'll come out and receive the papers, identify themselves that they are here to get a person out on bail. The officer will then go back into the intake area of the receiving room, go through the 69 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 paperwork to make sure that it is proper. Then the officer in the record room will notify the center control; the center control will notify the housing area. And also at the same time, they will also see them off, which is the record room, and will also notify the housing area that a person's out on the bail. The inmate is notified that they have bail and to prepare themselves to be discharged. Sometimes they may take a shower, sometimes other activities are going on. The inmate gets his personal gear, goes to the officer on the housing unit.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Mm-hmm.

Mr. Grooms

The officer in the housing unit will check the inmate's arm band to make sure it's the right person, ask him a few questions on his (indiscernible) card, on his admission card, and then the inmate is then sent to the receiving room.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

I see.

Mr. Grooms

Once in the receiving room, he has the opportunity to change clothes. He gets all of his clothes, his personal clothes, changes 70 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 into his personal clothes. And then he goes out toward the center control area, where the person's arm band identification is check once again.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

I see.

Mr. Grooms

Once the identification is checked and verified, that person is discharged.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Is released.

Mr. Grooms

He goes to the lobby, meets his family, and they proceed from there to wherever they go -- in most cases, home.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

And so given what you've outlined, assuming that all parties involved in that process were adequately notified pending the release of this individual, that process you just described could take how long? A half a day, eight hours? Help us out.

Mr. Grooms

Councilwoman Blondell, let me just say this to you, it doesn't take five hours.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Okay.

Mr. Grooms

It should take -- and once again, bear with me because it depends on what time of the day it is.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Sure, sure. 71 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598

Mr. Grooms

If it's o'clock in the evening, it's going to take longer because the housing areas are locked down for count. And if I remember correctly, this case was at o'clock at 6 night, so they were doing count. Count is usually cleared within 45 or 50 minutes, barring no miscounts.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Okay.

Mr. Grooms

Even if there's a miscount, it doesn't take five hours.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Okay.

Councilman Ortiz

It should not take --

Mr. Grooms

In this case, the worst-case scenario should be an hour and a half, no more than two.

Councilwoman Reynolds Brown

Okay, then. Thank you very much.

Councilman Ortiz

We expect that from Mr. Costello in writing.

Mr. Grooms

Pardon me, sir?

Councilman Ortiz

We expect that response in writing from Mr. Costello. Now, so that we're very clear, I want contents of all reports completed by DePaul, 72 2/28/02 PUB. SAFETY/HEALTH & HUM. SVCS. RES. 010598 Dr. Greiffinger, and Dr. Patterson in a 30-day period.

Mr. Grooms

When you say "reports," is there a year, a date?

Councilman Ortiz

Excuse me?

Mr. Grooms

You want all the reports from the time --

Councilman Ortiz

To me. Yes, to this committee.

Mr. Grooms

From the time that they started inspecting the system to --

Councilman Ortiz

That's right. On PHS, all right?

Mr. Grooms

I understand.

Councilman Ortiz

This committee stands in recess until Wednesday, May 8th, at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. (Proceedings end at 2:36 p.m.) - - - 73 CERTIFICATE I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing proceedings of the Council of the City of Philadelphia's meeting of the Joint Committees on Public Safety and Health & Human Services of Thursday, February 28, 2002, are contained fully and accurately in the stenographic notes taken by me, and that this is a true and correct transcript of same. RE: Resolution No. 010598 _______________________________, Josephine Cardillo Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public (The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means, unless under the direct control and/or supervision of the certifying reporter.)