and shrubbery to effectively shield
what was already not shielded by the shed
and other shrubbery on the protestant's property.
All right, we'll show those photos.
So how long is the ADU in feet?
So it is, well, exact in inches. It was about 48 feet long. We reduced it by one foot, so it was 47 feet long.
And what about the depth? I see 18 feet. Am I reading it properly?
Yes, the depth is 18.
Tell me about the program briefly. What's included in this freestanding structure, which is really an addition, but it's freestanding?
Right. So there are there's two small bedrooms which are in blue. There are two bathrooms. It's seen that this would be, you know, likely the owners and potentially maybe a second person or caretaker would have this one.
Is it accessible and something that would allow for aging in place?
The intent is for aging in place.
And what about the original Venturi house?
The original Venturi House is definitely not accessible.
All right.
And we have a lot of material on the record, but can you tell us about the steps that lead to nowhere and some of the other complexities as the architectural critics describe it?
So the plan of the Venturi House was, I mean, it has had books written about it.
And the complexities of it are really the upper level, which where things kind of pop up and out and all over and resolve into a very symmetrical ground floor plan that they say was fashioned after Palladio, which Venturi sort of was able to make happen with the use of diagonal walls that actually Lucan had come up with. Venturi worked for Lucan.
And how wide is that staircase to Doher?
It's 24 inches.
All right. And it's pretty steep and doesn't look like it would be good for aging in place.
Well, it's not. It's it's it is not good for aging in place.
Now, let's just go a little bit down where it says parking and shed 188336.
Can you tell us what that is meant to show or indicate?
Yeah. And I want to point out just one more thing about the stair, if I could, if I may.
that stair cannot be modified. It is jammed between the masonry chimney on the left
and the front facade of the house. There is not a way to make that stair wider and modify it.
Right. All right. So we're concerned about 8336 and what impact, if any, will this ADU structure
have. So I'm looking at what appears to be in yellow dotted lines, which are 8336,
which is Paul Bonney's client. And then I see in blue must be the original Venturi house. And then
in red looks to be a square that would be the proposed accessory dwelling unit.
Correct.
Now, what level of detail have you gone into to try to mitigate any adverse impact or any inconvenience or annoyance to adjoining property owner at 8336?
Well, annoyance, first of all, I think if we could show that, you know, this slide here and maybe the next slide, it shows where it's not very visible at all.
Even a year ago in the summer, we staked out the property with pink tape on the property line,
and all the neighbors were kind of apprised of it, the Louse as well.
And can we see a photo of the shed, a better photo? I know that Ms. Lau has a shed. So you're looking from the rear of her house. That's her car in the parking lot. She has a shed. We have a shed which we'll remove and it will be replaced by that dotted pink line.
And can we see a photo of the shed?
A better photo.
Correct. And the shrubbery and the green shed are on the Lau property line, and the gray shed behind the green shed is the shed that will come down. So you're left with seeing maybe, let's say, a third of the ADU.
All right. We have an elevation of that in some type of draft form, so you can see what that would look like.
I apologize to interrupt. Can you promote Juliet Farahado to the panel to take over the exhibit presentation?
What was that?
Can you please promote someone by the name of Juliet Farahado to the panel?
She'll more easily be able to manipulate the photos so we can move more quickly.
Although we're rounding the bases right now.
I can manipulate the photos if you want me to share.
Great. Thank you.
Let me see how to share here.
And Juliet has been promoted.
Oh, OK. OK, that's fine.
So we're looking for the image where you can see or not see what this ADU will look like after the landscaping has been done.
And the idea is a lot of work has been done to make it as minimalistic as possible.
Right.
So if you go down to slide five, it shows the hatched area.
Melanie, can you guys see me and hear me?
Juliette, I think that we need to do the slides.
So you want me to share the screen?
It says you cannot share screen while another participant.
Miss Lacey, you have to stop sharing.
and juliette you're going to just show slides no conversation okay so i still see lacy's
or melanie's screening okay there we go okay then i'll share my screen
okay so donna while we're doing this how much time was spent through the approval process with
the chestnut hill community association and as a subsection how many hours would you say was spent
with Ms. Lau? Well, the community association, we started meeting with them in February and
I haven't counted the meetings. I think there have been like six official meetings. And then
during the subcommittee meetings and with Mrs. Lau, I'd say there's been probably eight hours
of just pure meeting. And meeting with architects and plans and requested information to move it
and show it and photograph it.
I mean, you've worked tirelessly, am I correct?
Juliet and I have both worked very many hours extensively.
We've met with landscape people.
We've looked at this every which way that you can.
Do you believe there's anything more you can do
to minimize this proposed accessory dwelling unit,
Or is this the least minimum variance in size and shape and use to accommodate what we're trying to establish here?
This is the least this is the least amount of space that's really needed for the program.
All right. So there's no extra space for partying.
I mean, this is designed to be mean and lean, both architecturally as well as programmatically.
Am I correct? Absolutely.
And it's all of the activity center is on the other side.
It's very, it's a very quiet building.
It, you know, it originally we thought we'll have one small window that'll be kind of shielded.
But, you know, it doesn't really need to even have that if that's an issue.
So it won't influence anything on this side of the property line on the Lao side.
Am I correct?
It should not influence anything at all.
Oh, and as Juliet's looking for that image that shows the shaded in area so we can see the height.
I think she had it up, Carl. She had it up a little while ago.
I didn't see what I was looking for.
Are you looking for the pink shaded area?
I'm looking for, somebody did a rendering.
Oh, I did. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I know you did.
All right, so while we're doing that, let me get to the other point.
So you're familiar with the Venturi house. You studied it like everybody else in architecture school. You studied it with regard to this process. Do you believe as an architect that the size.
Do you believe, as an architect, that the size, shape, design, interior, exterior of the Venturi House presents a hardship for a single family dwelling?
I would object to that. That's a legal question. That's the ultimate question that the board has to answer. It's not for an architect to say.
Well, she has an opinion.
I will have to say, I have looked at trying to modify the first floor to make it compliant, and it is not possible without changing significantly written about walls and explanations on the history of Venturi's polemic that is internationally famous.
it's not possible it's not possible to to add space as we know from the phc to me it's a
hardship it's a very very small house it's smaller than typical houses of modern living
it was designed for a widow it's now we're now moving into we've had a 20 percent increase in
multi-generational and blended families in the last 10 years, this is not going to go away.
The house to remain viable and to stay open to the public and maintained
needs to be able to be a house. It needs to be a lived-in house that someone can afford to keep
and maintain. All right, and thank you. Did you see in the materials reference to Venturi saying
that the house is small in size,
but the design is to make it look bigger on the exterior?
That's, yes, that's part of the,
that's one of the points in Complexity and Contradiction,
the famous sort of textbook of architects.
All right, I have nothing further unless the board does,
and I know Mr. Bonney will have some questions.
Mr. Bonney, you have a few questions.
Yes, I have numerous questions.
Well, then, let's have a conversation here, because tell me how long you're going to cross, and Carl, give me an idea how much longer you have to go.
I have probably 10 minutes with the owner, and that's it.
Mr. Bonny, how long do you think you'll be on cross, and how many witnesses do you have?
well i have one witness um i i don't i'm going to be at least
10 or 15 minutes um cross-examination uh on both witnesses um of carl's
and 15 on 15 on each and your own witness mr bonnie my own witness i think will be
fairly short maybe 10 minutes from me i don't know if carl has cross very very limited well
one of the things i wanted to say mr chairman is that i'm sure really begging the members of
the board to allow us to have some closing statements at the end some closing argument
at the end just a few minutes for me so here here's we're getting late today yet and we still
have the whole 330 list to go through so what what i think we're going to do is we're going to
we're going to have to bring you back and you know that's fine and i want to say that we would
be happy to come back for a special i mean we're i'm not sure what we can do we'll figure out how
we're going to do that but what we do is when we know when we come back we know what time we're
dealing with and we know what you'll both get closing so is that okay thank you so what what
i'd like to do is break now carl when we come back he can cross you can put your next witness
on the next time we come back he can cross again and then his witness will go on you can cross
and then you'll do your closing is that okay that's fine mr chairman i i don't think even
if i get to be labored as i sometimes do it'll be more than 45 minutes to do what needs to be done
I just think we, yeah, we, we just can't do it now.
No, I, no, I understand that.
Mr. Boney makes a point, you know, make sure then you'll do your witnesses.
You'll both have a chance to close. Okay.
That's fine. Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it.
And thank you for working with us and thank you to the witnesses and we'll,
we'll be back with a, with a date for you to come back. Okay.
Thank you. All right. Thank you very much.
All right. 3.30 list. Go over there or instructions, everybody. Good afternoon. My name is Bill Bergman. I'll be doing the afternoon schedule here, 3.30 schedule. With me is Carol Tenere, our vice chair.
With me is Carlton Airy, our vice chair.
Present, Mr. Chairman.
Ismail Shahid, our board secretary.
Present, Mr. Chairman.
Thomas Holliman, our board member.
Present, Mr. Chairman.
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Number three. MI 2021-002-920-3245 North 27th Street.
received continuance from Ms. Talley. She just had surging and has to continue this.
So this case is being continued. Is there any questions from the virtual audience about this case?
I see no hands, Chair.
Are there any other continuances?
I see no hands, Chair.
Our first case, MI-2022-002-619-1629 Porter Street. Raymond Derizio is the attorney. Letter of support for the Broad Street West RCO.
Mr. Derizio.
good afternoon mr chairman and members of the board
mr dorizio good afternoon could you state your name and spell for the court report
yes raymond dorizio d-o-r-i-z-i-o and i represent go ahead and i represent uh 1629 porter street
Do you swear a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
And who is your client and the relationship to the property?
Yes, my client is BVC Rentals.
Brian Vile is the owner and member of that LLC and the operator of the property.
Our vice chair, Carol Tenere, has a few questions.
Mr. Dorisio, do you agree to wait the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?
yes have you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance a copy of
the refusal or referral photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing
and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter yes you may proceed and begin to share
your screen thank you thank you so i'm gonna go to my screen just give me one second as i'm going
from an iPad here. Okay. So here's our packet. This is 1629 Porter Street. My client received
the refusal back in January. He is seeking a business and professional office on the basement
first floor with a single family unit on the second floor. It's a two-story house.
It's on the corner of Chadwick and Porter. He did post notice of the hearing.
This was, we didn't have the deed right at the time when I brought this in, but we did attach
a copy of the deed. Property was formerly owned by the American Academy of the Sacred Heart for
many years. My client purchased it in October of 2021.
BVC Realty, my client does computer repairs and technology work. He currently has a property
already on the street on that block where he operates computer repairs. There's no
clients that walk in. He basically serves business clients mainly.
Clients that walk in, he basically serves business clients, mainly some residential where he has techs working in the building and they do service calls and such.
He's looking to expand the property at 1629 is a larger property and he's basically seeking to have offices on the first floor.
The basement is going to be for some storage space.
And here's a photo.