measurements were so i'm not sure really how you reached it just comparing to the both images that
we have on the screen now we can see exactly the the top circle the small one that the line
that finished the pilot house the back wall of the pilot house is far and going to the rear
and the yellow one on the right side is before the end of the neighbor and also i know that i did
the right image and when i did this i took the 3d that was made for this project and i export it
to google earth i cannot manage these measurements or this mass doing that i just take the project
and then search it in the Google Earth so I could I could see that that line
doesn't match this is the way that I'm saying that looks like that the left
side was stretched. Were you basically saying that you're eyeballing it?
Mr. Chairman?
Sorry?
Mr. Chairman?
Can you hear me, Mr. Chairman?
I'm not.
Mr. Chairman.
Tom, Tom, you're being too much static.
Can you hear me?
Now you can.
i assume can you hear me better now yes okay mr chairman in in my opinion it might be
right is
Tom, we got a hard time hearing you.
If Mr. Holloman would like to call me, I can put him on speakerphone.
That would be better.
Mr. Hellman is now on.
go ahead mr chairman
yes in my opinion
you lost your time you said in my opinion and we lost you
i'm sorry sharon it's okay
sorry i was um muted go ahead hear me now
Can you hear me now, Frank?
Okay, in my opinion,
the rendering on the right
is more accurate than the rendering
on the left.
And I'm a licensed architect
in Pennsylvania.
The shape of the rendering on the right
from the Google,
the one on the left is not.
Well, from what you're saying, I agree.
I agree. Thank you.
This is a question I asked earlier this morning.
It appears that the one on the left is stretched out further than the one on the right.
is stretched out further than the one on the right,
Just looking at the parking area.
just looking at the parking area
and the example on the right.
But the one thing we established is 34 feet.
Mr. Chairman, I had one more question, if I may.
Please.
Ms. Stankey, this is Ryan Boland again.
Looking at your rendering on the right,
which is the one with the yellow,
you obviously agree with me that
that 2000 spring garden will block the light and air of 2002 spring garden?
Depends on the time of the day,
because we know that the sunlight turns toward the south, not north.
So when the sun rises on the east, it starts to turn by the south
and finish the sun at the end of the day at west.
so the part the the shadow is more because the the parking garage in the back
than this this project at 2000 spring garden after 10 a.m more or less end of the season of
the year we will have a nice sunlight on the backyards what about the issue of air
i think is the same are you telling me your flow depends on the time of the year
yes of course what about the time of the day the air for the time of the day yeah
i i'm not an ambientalist i i cannot talk about flux of air it just seems obvious to me if there's
building directly next to you it's going to be blocking some airflow regardless of the time of
the day or the season. We still have 30 feet for airflow. On the first and sealer and other floors
we have more than 30 so I don't think the air in maybe 20 feet height will block airflow to the backyard.
I have nothing further.
Mr. Miller, I've been informed that you still have about 13 more witnesses?
On my list, but not that I intend to call.
Do you have any more witnesses that you do intend to call?
How many?
At this point, three or four.
And are these witnesses going to give us anything new and different?
Yes. My client, Rami Shrine, is the owner, and he will be my next witness.
All right, because we're going to have to continue this.
All right, let's go.
Mr. Chairman, may I make a quick suggestion?
That this be continued for a second hearing, that we will consult with the board to come up with a second hearing date, a date for a special hearing.
that the new date will be announced at the start of the hearing scheduled for August 12th at 9 30
and it will also be listed on the online calendar for the zoning board prior to that hearing if the
attorneys could sorry Tom is calling me if prior to that hearing the attorneys could resubmit a
witness list with just a brief summary of what the witnesses will be addressing.
Also, so that you know, we will be asking an attorney from the law department to appear at
the next hearing because there has been a suggestion that L&I erred in the refusal that
was appealed. And fourth, a question, do the attorneys agree that the L&I review board's
ruling on the historical commission decision is independent of this, or would you prefer that the
second hearing be scheduled after the L&I Review Board reaches and votes? May I speak to that?
Yes. I'm sorry. Be nice to her, Mr. Miller. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Absolutely. The L&I appeal has little, if any, chance of success given the standard
of review. The L&I Board of Appeal, and I had the same case at 1930 Pine Street, they
don't have. It's not an opportunity, a second bite at the apple. The scope of
It's not an opportunity, a second bite at the apple.
The scope of review is very, very limited
and very unlikely to have any impact
on the historical commission approval.
I don't disagree on that,
but the question is really whether to tie matters up
and have that in before this board reaches a decision,
especially since it sounds as though
all that's required is for Mr. DeMarco
to submit a brief
And then for the L&I review board to vote on the record, if we can do that quickly enough.
Yeah, and I would urge this, I would urge the zoning board not to delay progress based on the delay before the L&I board of review.
Yeah, that's fine. I don't think they're related at all.
Great, we agree.
Yeah, we do.
Mr. Bolan?
i have nothing to add thank you did i hear that sharon wanted sharon that wanted to
relist this case for the 12th or special no no it will be listed for a special but we need to
confer with the other with all the board members to see when they're available the new date will
be announced on the 12th at 9 30 it will also be listed on the calendar the online calendar
should we confer with Ms. Suleta offline about availability so that does that make sense
yes that would be helpful okay yeah because the board needs to make sure that the three of us
that are on today or four of us at least three of us will be at the next scheduled hearing
and i and i in fairness to the board i i don't want to get a date that that somebody can't
uh attend yeah well we're on our end we'll work on that to make sure we have at least three of
the four who are on the listening in today will be available mr chairman just a clarification
uh that this case is going to be continued now because yes okay because i didn't i didn't want
to have a witness go and then my cross-examination be tabled to the next well i'm let me let me
rephrase that i would prefer it uh is there any are there any witnesses on your side mr miller who
are going to be necessary to have a testimony today that may not be available in the future
Not that I'm aware of. Everybody's had their wings clipped with COVID.
Yeah, we're well aware of that.
And we can talk offline and discuss everyone's availability.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right. So it'll be next, or the 12th, we'll notify everyone as to what the next scheduled hearing date will be for this case.
any questions comments uh just just just as a point of order and i hate to burden
everybody but should we should we have a call uh among council and miss zuletta to to compare
i think that's what i think that's what she was suggesting yes okay i mean does everybody want
to do that now that's all i'm saying um would you maybe i could we could wait i could get a few
available dates for the board first and then um send those to you and we're going to discuss
when or any or all those work for you as well okay that's perfect for us okay thank you okay
okay thank you everyone and uh everyone stay safe you too buddy everyone good luck thanks frank
i'll see you guys thank you everyone
Thank you.