COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - - - Room 400, City Hall Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Monday, March 22, 2010, o'clock a.m. 6 - - - 7 8 9 10 BILL NO. 100117 - An ordinance adopting an Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2011. 11 COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Anna C. Verna, Chair William K. Greenlee Jannie C. Blackwell Curtis Jones, Jr. Blondell Reynolds-Brown James F. Kenney Darrell L. Clarke Joan L. Krajewski Wilson W. Goode, Jr. Donna Reed Miller Bill Green Frank Rizzo - - - 2 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
Good morning, everyone. This is a public hearing of the Committee of the Whole. I would ask Mr. McPherson to please read the title of Bill No. 100117. MR. McPHERSON: An ordinance 8 adopting an Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2011. And our first witness is the Mayor's Office. (Witness Clarence Armbrister comes forward.)
Good morning. Please identify yourself for the record and proceed with your testimony.
Good morning. I am Clarence Armbrister, Mayor Nutter's Chief of Staff. Good morning, Council President Verna and other members of the City Council. I am Clarence Armbrister, Chief of Staff in the office of the Mayor. On behalf of Mayor Michael A. 10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 pleased to provide testimony on the proposed Fiscal Year 2011 Operating Budget. The role of the Mayor's Office is to provide the necessary leadership, direction, and support to departments so that they may achieve success in their key areas of focus. The Fiscal Year 2011 budget has proposed to provide the necessary funding for the Mayor's Office to accomplish these objectives. 1 million in Class 100 funds to provide compensation for 39 employees, representing a decrease of $500,000 over the Fiscal Year 2010 original appropriation. 10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 Funds by be another $125,000. In addressing the request to reduce the Fiscal Year '11 Mayor's Office Budget, Class 100 expenditures were reduced through the continuation of salary reductions for many of our staff and reduction of personnel through layoffs, attrition, and elimination of vacant positions. When compared to Fiscal Year '09, our first full year in office, we have reduced the Mayor's Office Budget by $2 million in Class 100 Funds and eliminated or transferred 40 positions from our budget. Other proposed General Fund appropriation levels, which are shown as being decreased during FY '11 include: $2,000 in Class 200 Funds and $18,500 in Class 400 Funds. These funds are being decreased as a result of IT consolidation. 10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 contribution to this consolidation. 7 million in Grants Revenue Funds to support the activities of the Mayor's Commission on Aging. This grant funding represents an increase of nearly $125,000 over FY 2010 levels and comes principally from the federal government to enable the Mayor's Commission on Aging to assist older adults with job counseling, training and placement, and health insurance counseling. Funding of $200,000 for the Mayor's Office Scholarship Program, which allows qualified Philadelphia students to attend classes at area colleges and universities is being level-funded, and we are once again recommending that no 21 reductions be made in this category. 10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 universities. Seventy-three percent of the students receiving these scholarships are currently attending ten colleges or universities located within the City of Philadelphia. The Mayor's Office is committed to supporting the Administration's goal of percent minority-, woman-, and 10 disabled-owned business participation in 11 City contracting. Although based on the 12 availability for contracting 13 opportunities, the Mayor's Office FY '11 14 participation goal is 20 percent. We 15 expect exceed that a goal in the coming 16 year. 17 You will be hearing testimony 18 from additional departments in the 19 Mayor's Office later today. The Mayor's 20 Office of Community Services will give 21 testimony as to how their agency helps to 22 move vulnerable Philadelphians towards 23 self-sufficiency. 10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 partnerships in the areas of education, health and human services, housing, economic development, workforce development, and criminal justice are well-coordinated and embrace common principles designed to create opportunities to advance the poor. The Mayor's Office has increased its focus on human capital development to ensure that low-income and poor Philadelphians are served to the best of our capabilities. MOCS will continue to play a role in this critical work. The Office of Housing and Community Development and the Office of Labor Relations will also present their Fiscal Year 2011 Operating Budget request later today. I want to thank you for your support, and I appreciate this opportunity to provide testimony regarding the Mayor's proposed Fiscal Year 2011 Operating Budget.
10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 happy to answer any questions that Council may have regarding my testimony.
Thank you very much. The Chair recognizes Councilman Jones.
Okay. Just checking. A couple of things. As we look back on last year's testimony, as we looked optimistically about the federal stimulus money, as we start to see the sun set on that, what impact will that have on your overall budgeting?
Well, in the Mayor's Office, in particular, it won't 9 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 have a direct effect on our Operating Budget, but it will have an effect on several programs that we've used the stimulus money to kind of generate; you will be hearing about some of those programs and testimony from the other areas. But certainly, in terms of our utilizing funds that have come through MOCS and things like that, that funding will go away, but we've actually ramped up training and programs. But at some point, when that money sunsets, we will not have those funds available to us. The goal, however, is that during the course that we do have these funds, that we can help get some training done for folks who utilize those funds so that when the economy does come back, they will be well trained and employable for the rebound that we all hope is coming.
Speaking of which, it's my understanding that the 10 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 federal stimulus program is going to shift to the job-training component and that MOCS is in a pivotal position to be the conduit for those dollars. Can we get some kind of heads- up on that that's going to be utilized, what we can anticipate, and how we can plug in people from our respective districts?
Sure. Mary -- I think Mary Mariner is going to be testifying later, but if you could wait until she comes up. And --
I heard Jennie is the real person on top of that, so... (Witness Jennie Sparadara comes forward.)
And in the workforce, in the training area in terms of my testimony, when I mentioned the Mayor's Office is taking a particular focus on investing in human capital development, I'm joined at the table now 11 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 by Jennie Sparandara, who is working in that area and who has provided a lot of leadership not only to the Mayor's Office but to the government in that area. And she can address some of those issues.
Good morning. That's right. That work really isn't coming out of MOCS but coming out of the Mayor's Office directly, where I'm sort of working with the workforce development agencies, PWDC, and the Workforce Investment Board around that plan. So absolutely, as we get a better sense as to what the regulations say, we are going to be coming to everybody here to talk about how this plan is developing and how we can make sure that businesses and job seekers in Philadelphia are all getting access to it.
Since we are on TV and that makes us transparent, it's my understanding that Pennsylvania is 12 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 eligible for about 5,000 jobs out of that program (indiscernible) formula?
There's $300 million at the state level approximately that can be utilized for these TANF emergency stimulus projects. The State has not provided a number for Philadelphia specifically; it's our responsibility to come to them with a proposal. One number that we've been putting out there just amongst our work group is 5,000, but that's all sort of generated here. (Timer bell rings.)
So if there were three things that we really probably -- and I -- one, we have a deadline of April what to submit the --
March 30th. So we're not even in April. So we have to look at that. And one of the clear needs is going to be supervision. Do you view 13 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 this being a strictly City of Philadelphia similar to the SETA program, or do you view creative partnerships with the private sector; maybe educational institutions could be brought to bear. And if that is, how do we get them in the application mix under these tight deadlines?
So it will be much broader than the City of Philadelphia. The positions can be public, private, or nonprofit organizations. And the goal would be to find as many employers as possible who could keep people long-term, because that would be the ideal situation, so that when the dollars run out, if a business had somebody who was working for them in a subsidized capacity, they'd recognize how useful it was to have that employee, and then they'd bring them on to their payroll, and that personnel has a permanent job. 14 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 So we're lucky in that we don't have to have all of those details figured out for the application.
We need to have a process for engaging everybody, so that's what we're thinking through.
Well, that's encouraging, because it has been our experience -- and I've been worked with many people in this room in regard to that, that they leave it out there nebulous, and then we try to specifically address things, and we're way over here when we should be in the absolute other direction. If that is the case, if we get inquiries now from individuals and on institutions, can we collect that data and forward it to you?
Certainly. That would be great. And then, as soon as we kind of crystallize the process, we should talk 15 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 about how to make sure that we're then out there in the communities and getting the word out through every channel possible.
Without you speaking for the federal government, when do you anticipate us rolling out the first job?
It's tough. What we need to get through first is the State approving the plan, so I think a little bit of it will depend on their ability to turn around our plan as quickly as possible. I know they have a real interest in getting these dollars moving also.
Sounds kind of like Brown versus the Board of Education with all the (inaudible). Is there any guesstimate?
They -- I mean, it depends on who you ask right now. Certainly, the dollars need to be spent by September 30th, so I would just 16 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 say as soon as possible, as soon as physically possible.
That is absolutely the best news I've heard about stimulus money thus far.
Councilman Jones, your time is up. Mr. Armbrister, can you tell us the positions that you are transferring to the Community Development Fund? It's on .
Oh. That represents the transfer for the salary of the Senior Advisor to the Mayor for Economic Development, which is --
That represents the transfer of dollars to pay for the salary of the Senior Advisor to 17 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 the Mayor for Economic Development, which also serves as the Executive Director of the Redevelopment Authority. So that's Terry Gillen's salary. So that salary is paid outside of the Mayor's Office.
If you take into consideration the $147,000 transfer to Community Development, the Mayor's Office is really not cutting its budget but transferring costs to the other areas of the budget; isn't that correct?
No, that's not quite correct. This year, as part of the budget process going into the rebalancing, we are reducing our budget by $125,000 in combination with $375,000 that we reduced prior to last year's budget. So if you look on page... Let's see... If you look on , section 2, compared to our obligation 18 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 level, Fiscal Year 2011 to the original appropriation, that's $500,000, of which another $125,000 is coming out this year. We have also decreased and gotten rid of other positions beyond that transfer. So that's not the only transfer for the Mayor's Office this year, Council President.
Can you tell us what the Administration plans on spending for lobbying services for FY 2010 and 2011?
Sure. On of the budget book, the lobbying firms 16 are listed as -- for 2010 are listed as: 17 Loper & Associates, Bearfield & Associates, Borski & Associates, American Continental, Bojack, Whitman Diamond. And those totaled -- that totals about $200,000. For the current fiscal years that's budgeted, we had budgeted about -- we had a budget of about $300,000 for lobbying services, . 19 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
I have that. And then consultant services, to be determined, are 120,000. And miscellaneous, 100,000.
Right. Some of those were carryovers -- we -- in the last year, we moved the IG's Office and other departments outside of the Mayor's Office. So some of those funds were to cover some of those departments' contracts.
Well, it's interesting that you would ask, Council President. We are actually in the midst of an RFP process. So currently, we are in the process of finalizing contracts on our state lobbying contract for three. And then we have one under contract for federal. And we are in the midst of a process to add additional lobbying 20 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 services to our federal stable.
Can you tell us, what value has the City received from these services?
Well, certainly, in the course of last year in particular, with the budget process and getting the additional authorization from the State, they were invaluable to us in terms of keeping us abreast of what was going on in Harrisburg, making sure that legislators knew our position, and keeping us in contact. So they were really invaluable to us last year in particular.
Would you please detail what the IT Funds you are transferring to the Division of Technology are for?
Yes. This is a part of the overall IT consolidation that the Chief Technology Officer and the Administration are undergoing. And this was an opportunity to try to bring under 21 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 one umbrella, for coordination purposes and hopefully for efficiencies, all of the IT costs that are embedded in each of the individual departments. So the costs that you see here are those costs that might have been used to purchase computers or go into individual contracts with departments. And we are trying to make sure that departments don't do that anymore, that departments work through the Chief Technical Officer and get all of their IT purchases, whether they be for software, hardware, and to make sure that we are in a much more coordinated basis. So that was the Mayor's Office contribution to that effort.
Thank you. The Chair recognizes Councilman Green.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I have a number of questions 22 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 that I'd rather go through serially. I will wait until everybody else is finished and then take my turn.
A couple of questions, one regarding the Mayor's Office scholarship program. Briefly for the record, discuss the review selection process. And are these scholarships needs-based?
My recollection is that they are, in fact, need-based, that they have to apply, and that there's a committee. I don't know all of the details of that committee, but I could certainly get that information to you.
Might 23 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 there be someone from that office here that could --
Well, I'm not sure -- I don't think that the person who runs that program is here today, but she might be. Hold on a second. (Witness Lorri Shorr comes forward.)
I'm Lorri Shorr, the Mayor's Chief Education Officer. There is a committee that reviews all of the applications. There's a scoring rubric that's used, and there are several readers for each application.
Readers? 24 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
There is an essay; yes, there is. And this is actually -- there is a person who sits at the library that is in charge of administering the scholarship program.
I see. Awareness of the scholarship program, how does that happen?
Well, we have it currently now on the Philly Goes to College website. And I'm not sure what other -- I'm sure they send things out to the counselors at the schools, but I can get some more detailed information on how they publicize them to you.
Okay. Just curious. And the only other observation I made is that the range was from 1,000 to 1240. So, again, that's driven by 25 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 need and available dollars, I would imagine, or no?
Okay, all right. Thank you. Mr. Armbrister, you mention in your testimony that, currently, the Mayor's Office expects to exceed the goal of percent participation with MWDSBE 12 contracting opportunities. Do you expect 13 that you will reach the goal of 25 14 percent? 15
That certainly 19 is our hope and expectation. 20 With the contracts that I've listed -- that I told the -- in response to the Council President, we are in excess of 20 percent as we speak.
Not much more; 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 we're at about percent. 3
All right 10 then. 11 And then, lastly, there's an 12 increase of two part-time positions in 13 the Mayor's Office. 14
Those are 18 part-time receptionists in the Mayor's 19 Office. 20
Thank you, Madam President. 27 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
Thank you, Madam Chair. The Administration -- I'm sorry, Mr. McPherson. I think I'm the last person. If I'm not, then I -- MR. McPHERSON: (Inaudible, off-mic.)
Oh, okay. The Administration has testified that in preparing the proposed FY '11 budget, it asked departments to prepare a 2-and-a-half percent, 5 percent, and 7-and-a-half percent budget-reduction scenarios. We finally got that information late Friday night and are going through it, and we appreciate that. Did the Mayor's Office prepare 2-and-a-half, 5, and 7-and-a-half percent budget-reduction scenarios?
We submitted, 28 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 I think, a percent scenario to the -- 3
Yes. It was to eliminate two vacant positions for about $116,000. We were going to reduce our Class 200 by $34,233, and reduce our Class 300 spending by $3,390, for a total of just under $200,000.
Okay. During the Five-Year Plan hearing and in subsequent e-mails, I informed the Budget Office -- or asked them to have each department planning to fill a currently vacant position by the end of FY '10 or 29 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 in FY '11 or to create a new position in that period come to its budget hearing prepared to discuss those newly-filled or new positions. Specifically, I asked that departments detail how long the position has been vacant, what specific job duties would be fulfilled by the position, and how those job duties have been handled while the position has been vacant. With respect to those two vacant positions that were not eliminated, can you answer those questions for me?
I could -- I can try. The two vacant positions that are identified in our budget are related to -- I guess they're project manager positions that don't have specific duties assigned to them at this point.
Okay. So the question is: How long have the positions been vacant? 30 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
Um... Well, it's a... It's a confusing question in part because the vacancies occurred -- these are vacancies that occurred from our last budget testimony.
They've never actually been filled position; isn't that right?
I'm not sure that they've never been filled, but they haven't been filled probably in the last year because of the NTI reorganization we did.
Okay. What specific job duties would be filled by the position?
At this point, there's a director position and a project 31 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 manager position in our General Budget.
And what are the job duties of those people if you fill them?
There are no 9 job duties defined, okay. And so, I guess the next question is: How have these duties been handled while a position has been vacant? sort of answers itself. The Mayor's Executive Office Budget includes a senior advisor position that was filled as of the end of FY '09, budgeted for FY '10 at $144,000 per year, unfilled as of November 2009, and is budgeted for FY '11.
I'm sorry. I should have pointed that out. That's a mistake in the sense that that position should not be there. That position was 32 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 eliminated.
Okay. So there was no salary allocation for the position?
That's why they missed the position. They took the salary but they didn't take the position.
Okay. So during last year's budget hearings, I asked about the purpose of the new General Division being created by the Mayor's Office, and I never received an answer to the purpose of that division. In fact, I recall, in your testimony, you said there's no 17 clearly-defined purpose to that division yet. And at any rate, I don't think the question was answered before the budget process ended. Under the FY '10 budget, the General Division was to have a staff of six and an annual budget of $519,000. It doesn't appear that any of these positions were filled this fiscal 33 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 year; is that correct?
Well, those positions were all eliminated. Most of those positions were eliminated.
Right, but it doesn't appear that they were filled this fiscal year.
So, essentially, when you say that there is a half-a-million-dollar reduction in the salary, it really is positions that were never, ever filled that this Council raised questions about last year because they weren't defined; is that unfair?
A little unfair in that we eliminated last year about, let's see -- one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. I think we eliminated nine positions -- or we 34 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 removed from our budget nine positions, of which one, two, three, four have been vacant, only four have been vacant. So there was one person who was laid off, another person resigned. And so, you know, there were -- there were people who were with us last year, who are not here this year. But there were four vacant positions that were eliminated; that's correct.
We'll get to positions being performed -- or being paid for by other departments in a second. During last year's budget hearings -- sorry. So the FY '11 budget continues two of the six positions: $88,000 per year, director; and $73,000 per year, program manager. Are those positions filled currently?
No. Those would be those positions that we were 35 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 discussing, the general manager positions that I said don't have, uh...
Okay. So there are not clearly-defined job duties for those positions at the moment, okay.
And let's see. In a press release last month, the Administration announced several staffing changes, including the former Director of Private-Sector Initiatives, Mary Horstmann, who was assuming a new role as the Deputy Director of Policy and Planning Coordination in the Mayor's Office. I must say I've had the pleasure of working with Mary on the Private-Sector Outreach Board and want to note that these questions are about 36 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 budgeting, not her performance. She's very capable, and I enjoy working with her. Is that new position budgeted?
I think it was retained in her former department, which was the Managing Director's Office.
In the Managing Director's Office. And what's her salary?
I don't off -- I don't remember offhand, but we can get that for you.
Okay. So we can add that essentially to the Mayor's Office Budget, fairly?
Sure, if you'd 37 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 like to, I guess.
No, of the job -- the Deputy Director of Policy and Planning Coordination in the Mayor's Office.
She works under the supervision of the Policy Director, Susan B. Miller.
And who was 38 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 performing those duties prior to the new position being created?
The press release also noted that the private- sector initiatives position had been in the Managing Director's Office. My understanding, from the budget detail, was that the position was funded out of -- I'm sorry. I'll skip that. Who is going to be performing the job functions of the Director of Private-Sector Initiatives going forward?
Well, I think what we've done is that Mr. Abernathy, who is now in the Managing Director's Office, is working on a lot of those issues. The Managing Director will be here tomorrow and can tell you.
I think it's on the Managing Director's Office budget. 39 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
I just don't know offhand; I wouldn't want to give you bad information.
Okay. In the same press release, the Administration announced several additions to the Office of Legislative and Governmental Affairs. I understand that one position is being shared with the Finance Department and is on the Finance Department's budget. But the budget detail does not indicate the other position, Coordinator, External Affairs and Community Engagement, which is being filled by Erica Atwood, who previously served as the Deputy City Representative.
Again, this is not about the staff people, who I know and respect, but about budgeting. Is the coordinator position 40 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 budgeted?
No. She resides on the Commerce Department staff budget. She still maintains --
Okay. So the salary is as reflected in the City Rep's budget?
And both those positions are on the second floor, really? 41 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
Okay. So we can add up those salaries and say, you know, for transparency sake --
-- include them in the Mayor's budget. Okay. Let's see. The budget detail indicates that the Mayor's Office is projected to spend $120,000 in FY '10 and FY '11 on consultants services. The contractor name is listed as "to be determined." Could you treat that contractor consulting services position as if it's a vacant position and describe to us what duties the contractor would perform?
I probably can't treat it as a vacant position. No, I wouldn't be in a position to do that, no, not at all.
Well, okay, what services do you expect to contract for? 42 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
Again, it was a placeholder. From time to time, the Mayor's Office needs to contract. We have very limited contracting ability, so it's a placeholder for contracting services.
Okay. I asked the Administration to provide department-specific cost-allocation information for fringe benefits, and I did this in writing over a week ago, for each department and asked that this be available at the hearings. So it's department-specific cost-allocation information for fringe benefits, fleet use, DPP, both space rental and maintenance, and energy use, prior to each department's budget hearing. Do you have that information 43 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 available today for the Mayor's Office?
I do not, but I think Mr. Agostini may have a response. (Budget Director Stephen Agostini comes forward.)
Good morning. Steve Agostini, Budget Director. That table with those allocations is being prepared and should be available probably in the next few days. The other information you requested with respect to the positions as of December, which was the last run rate vacancies, what's being done to fill those, that is also being prepared. We sent out a survey to departments after we received a question from you on the 10th, and we anticipate having all of that back and ready to review this week.
That's great. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Chair. 44 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117
You're welcome. Are there any other questions for Mr. Armbrister? The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Miller.
Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, Mr. Armbrister.
Good. Last year, in your testimony, you indicated that there is an anticipated 9 percent decrease in contracts. What contracts did you eliminate and why?
I'm sorry. Your question again? I'm sorry, Councilwoman Miller.
Last year, in your testimony, you stated that you anticipated a 9 percent decrease in contracts. If you did -- since it was an anticipated decrease, did you, in fact, decrease them? And what contracts were 45 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 they? What contracts did you eliminate and why?
What we did is, during the course of the budget rebalancing, we actually went back to several of our contractors and asked them to take cuts in their contracts. So we were able to get some savings in renegotiating contracts and reauthorizing contracts at lower levels. And that was primarily in our lobbying area.
Okay. So but you kept the contracts but you eliminated the costs.
Okay. Wait a minute. I think we do a good job when we give children scholarships, but I thought you had to use those scholarships -- I thought you can get the scholarship if you were attending a local school. And you report that 73 percent 46 3.22.10 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - BILL 100117 of the students attended local universities or colleges. And where is the others? I thought everybody had to attend --
Yeah, we can get you a list. Apparently, that is not the case, per my testimony, that that is not a requirement of the scholarships. But we can give you a list of where every student is attending.