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ZBA Hearing - January 20, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jan 20, 20215h 3m

and the side alleyway is depicted uh right where you're at where your hand is so that there is

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access to get to the rear for uh any for the either the for the second floor property of course

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as well as the first first floor property um al is there anything else that you want to point out

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about this? I would like to point out, Steve, that we're on Cotman Avenue, which is also known

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as the PA Route 73. It's a very large right-of-way. It's 100-foot right-of-way Cotman Avenue, which

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has 60 feet of cartway and then 20 feet of footway or sidewalk on either side. Cotman

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avenue is serviced by multiple uh public transit routes um set the routes uh 67 route 70 and

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77 are serviced on cockman avenue okay all right i think that's all the questions i have

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for mr tantel if i could just have mr uh tony or anthony ambrosini uh be able to

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just briefly testify real quick so he confirms and affirms my testimony that would be great

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if you could have your client raise their hand please

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I'll have I think Mr. Ambrosini is together with Mr. Tantella so hopefully yes we can get him

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yes I'm here there he is sir did they did you put your name and address on the record

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No, he didn't yet.

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Okay, name and address, please, and spell your last name.

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Anthony Ambrosini, last name, A-M-B-R-O-S-I-N-I.

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And your address?

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Kottman Investments, 9989-Global.

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Kottman Investments, 9989 Global Road, Philadelphia, PA, 19115.

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Thank you.

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And do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Thanks.

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Thank you, Madam Vice Chair.

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Mr. Ambrosini, I've done a lot of the talking, but you've heard what I've stated on the record.

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Do you adopt that as your testimony here today?

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Yes, I do.

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Okay.

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And so what I said about, you're a plumber by trade, isn't that correct?

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Yes, correct.

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What was the, just real brief, what was the condition of 1325 when you bought it from the widow Gibbs?

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It needed much repair.

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She was living away from home for the past year before she confronted us that she wanted to, you know, get rid of it because she couldn't keep it up anymore.

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So we did make a private sale. We have been involved in the community there for over 20 years.

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And we'd like, like I said, we get along with the neighbors. They get along with us.

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And we'd like to remain in the community. That's why people are not in opposition of what we want to do.

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Al, if you could, could you put up the petition of support, which is at R16, Exhibit 16?

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And that's a porch from the near neighbors?

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Yes.

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Mr. Ambrosini, 1323 Cotman Avenue is the rectory.

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Isn't that correct?

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Yes.

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That's the rectory on our right-hand side or the eastern side.

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That's 1323.

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1317 Cotman Avenue is?

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Yeah, that's the corner property.

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That's the tenant in there, Maria.

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who runs the uh the commercial space correct um 13 11 the 13 15 is yeah that's uh anthony's

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appliances on the same side cotman avenue but he's on the other side of dungan road just two

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properties in that we pointed out is that correct correct yeah 13 1331 cotman avenue is a house

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that's what two doors down from the church correct correct same block face 1327 is the

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representative from the church correct and uh 1335 cotman avenue is it's on the uh further down

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from the church okay but still on your street block face yeah all on our side correct mr pollack

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i have a question 1323 cotman avenue is the rectory yes no 1323 that's our that's uh the

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building adjacent to ours it's oh i'm sorry the rectory at 1317 is the church right correct no

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1317 is uh our corner there oh your corner right 13 i'm third 1327 is the church okay and 1323

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isn't the rectory it can't be because there's no it isn't it isn't it isn't okay i'm getting

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confused and have you met with the rco we did they did you you went to the meeting right tony

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Yes, we did go to a meeting, and we thought it was held at the church, and we thought we gave our case, and they seemed like they were going to talk about it, but they didn't have any opposition to it, let's put it that way.

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Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta, Vice Chair Tenere. I just forwarded you an email from Alice Udovich with the RCO letter in opposition attached.

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right right but at the meeting they didn't take a vote is that correct no no vote

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and they and and okay so you didn't when you left the meeting and it was an in-person meeting you

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had no idea what what was uh going to be the outcome is that correct now we had no idea no

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okay okay well i do have a letter from them opposing this we we understand

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um that's that's all i have for mr ambrosini members of the board in essence what we're

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saying this is a mixed bag neighborhood uh with commercial and two family dwellings in the area

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it's on a very busy street where a property stuck between two driveways it's good and bad news the

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good news is if you're stuck between two driveways the property that we're adjacent to and our twin

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has off-street parking spaces. The church also has off-street parking spaces when it's needed.

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There is space to park in front along Cotman Avenue. As Mr. Tantella pointed out, there are

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at least three SEPTA bus routes that service this. And as you've heard, structurally, this place was

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from Mr. Ambrosini and from Mr. Tantella was in bad shape. Mrs. Gibbs had, I guess, deferred

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maintenance and had moved out and left the place unattended for about a year

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and saw the Ambrosini's as a proper steward to preserve this property and use it in terms of

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and saw the Ambrosini's as a proper steward.

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we believe that having that that this is the least minimum variance that will afford relief

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to be able to use the property as a two-family dwelling. There's ample rear yard space as you

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see about 36 feet and with that we feel that it will not be detrimental to the health safety and

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welfare of the neighborhood and we would move for all our exhibits to be accepted into the record

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and we would rest does the board have any questions no no no okay do you think would

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be helpful to go back and have another meeting i i wasn't there i mean i would have i would i don't

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know if Alice is on I would defer to I would I would defer to Alice because she uh has a pulse

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of uh every community that's in Councilman O'Neill's district so right yes I am name and

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address please good morning Madam Vice Chair Alice Udovich from Councilman Brian O'Neill's office

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and do you swear for him to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do do you think it

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would be helpful to have another meeting i'm not i'm not sure i just want to put on the record that

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burholm civic has a general policy of non-support of conversions to multifamily and therefore the

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councilman supports them in their opposition okay as i said this is you know every every case is

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different, every case is unique. If these were speculators who were just coming in to

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try and turn something into a two-family dwelling and flip it, I would say no. I made a reference

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to monopoly in the sense, but the Ambrosini's have shown that they have a deep investment

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in this little part of Cotman and Dungan neighborhood in the Burlholm community. And

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tough 10 pounds of sugar in a five pound bag, but it's with care and consideration of what's going

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on in the neighborhood. So you have to think about all those considerations. And as I said,

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I wish if I could, I would say, you know, we control the parking area next door, but I can't

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in the sense that I've had it where this board has granted me with a proviso to provide parking

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on the next door lot. And Ellen and I have said, well, the next door lot's zone residential,

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so you need to go get another variance for that lot so that's our you know our our dilemma

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in terms of trying to help out a little bit at this situation

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okay board has no questions no i do i do uh vice chair uh jim snell here um

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is this something we could always talk about at our next uh executive session

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probably

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okay just an idea sharon um yes you can hold it for discussion close the record

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and um vote it following the next executive session we should get the planning commission

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input now planning commission good morning vice chair tanari ian hegarty with the philadelphia

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city planning commission staff do you swear for him to tell the whole truth and nothing about the

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truth i do um so this property is indicated for residential single-family use as has been noted

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but we believe the proposed two-family use is generally appropriate for the location

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and we do not object to the granting of the variance

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okay um does the board still see a need to discuss this at an executive session no

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jim confessor

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uh i'm okay i guess i'm okay if you are vice chair

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okay the record is now open calendar number 1104 1325 Cotman Avenue my vote is yes

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my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes

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thank you members of the board Madam Vice Chair that completes my day

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and hopefully you'll get done before 12 noon

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thank you thank you very much thank you alice bye-bye calendar number zero

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Thank you, Allison. Bye-bye.

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Calendar number 0734-1542, North 59th Street.

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The appellant in this case is the property owner, Valerie McRae, who is appearing pro se, and the RCO supports the application.

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Ms. McRae, you may unmute yourself. You're free to speak.

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Yes, good morning, Vice Chair, and everyone else.

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Good morning. Can you put your name and address on the record, please?

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Valerie McCray, 1542, Royal 59th Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19151.

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And do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Have you emailed your exhibit packet with the proof of ownership, tax compliance, refusal, referral, photos and plans of the property,

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five days in advance of this hearing, and have you met with the RCO, and do you have a letter?

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Yes, I do. Okay, you may proceed.

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Yes, well, I was, sorry, I applied for a license for an electrical permit, and that's when

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it was poor that my house was zoned wrong.

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Okay.

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Ma'am, you are muted.

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Is Valerie still here? I mean, I'm sorry. Okay. So it's basically a zoning issue. That's

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in City Hall. This is zoned incorrectly. So I'm just trying to get it zoned right.

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So you're requesting a two family dwelling in an existing structure. What is that structure

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now it's a two-family dwelling it's it was built as a duplex so it's a duplex now it's two-family

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dwelling already but when was when was the property built in 1920 i believe 1920 yes

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okay and you met with the rco yes i have yes ma'am

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and i know they're supporting you is there anyone here on this case

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i see no hands vice chair

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okay does the ward have any questions no no no

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Planning Commission.

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Morning again, Vice Chair. This property, Ian Hegarty with the Philadelphia City Planning

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Commission. So this property is actually recommended for residential multifamily use

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in the comprehensive plan. And in addition, the proposed use is consistent with documented

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previous uses at this property. And so we have no objection to the granting of the variance.

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Thank you. Calendar number 0734, 1542 North 59th Street. My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes.

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Calendar number 2040, 2007 Addison Street.

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VICE CHAIR, I HAVE NO RECORD OF HAVING RECEIVED EXHIBITS FOR THIS CASE.

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I ALSO COULDN'T FIND ANY RECORD OF A PREVIOUS LISTING.

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THERE ARE NO HANDS, VICE CHAIR.

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Okay, calendar number 2040-2007 Addison Street. There are also no exhibits with this. This

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case is dismissed. Dismissed. Dismissed.

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Calendar number, I'm getting there, 1179-610-East Mount Pleasant Avenue.

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Calendar number, I'm getting there.

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This is Sharon.

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The attorney is Darlene Threat and we have an RCO letter in support.

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Ms. Three, please unmute yourself.

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Darlene, are you there?

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Good morning, Commissioner. Darlene Threat on behalf of Germantown Christian Assembly.

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Okay, can you put your name and address on the record, please? Spell your last name.

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Darlene Threat, I have a new address, Commissioner. 45 East City Avenue,

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Ella Kenwood PA 19004. And do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do. Have you emailed the exhibit packet with required documents, including proof of

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ownership, tax compliance, refusal referral, photos and plans of the property five days in

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advance of this hearing? And have you met with the RCO? And do you have a letter? Commissioner,

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I've sent all of those those documents to the board. It may not have been quite five days in

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advance and i have met with the community and i do have a lot of support okay who is the rco

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your rco is east mount airy neighbors okay miss saletta do you have any of the exhibits

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i do i have all of the exhibits chair

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okay um mr you may proceed oh good afternoon uh commissioners uh darlene three on behalf of

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east mount airy neighbors i do believe that i have a mr calton henry the uh treasurer of the

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church uh present today uh would you like to uh swear mr henry in yes name and address please

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Sir, can you hear me?

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Mr. Henry, please raise your hand so I can unmute you.

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Mr. Henry, you've been unmuted. You're free to speak. You have to unmute yourself.

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Can you hear me now?

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Yes. Can you put your name and address on the record, please?

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My name is Carlton Henry.

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And your address?

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At home, 1021 Arboretum Road in Wincote, Pennsylvania.

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Okay, and do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do.

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Okay.

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Commissioner, we apply to the license and inspections basically to have an awning put

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on to the back of the church. Can you see my exhibit package?

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No, we can't.

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How about now?

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Hello?

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Yes. Can you see the package?

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now we can at the beginning of it. Thank you very much. Commissioner, I've submitted a package today

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which contains a refusal, an appeal, a project information form, a tax clearance, property

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information, zoning history, plans, pictures, certificate of mailing, and a community letter.

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Basically, Commissioner, this church has been in existence in this neighborhood since 1974.

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74. I'm going to go through the exhibits slowly. This is the refusal. Basically, we would like to

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add an awning to the back of the church. We were refused because our awning is greater than the

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