no more questions i just have a rebut yeah just a quick follow-up um quick right yeah yeah yeah
yeah yes yes yes yes um richard um council uh has referenced the um that christina signed a
petition opposing the project and it this happened at the last meeting too where it was constantly
using the term project let's i'd like to be very specific until december 15th
you understood it to be a proposal a proposed plan to change the use of the property correct
that is completely accurate and then december 15th you found out that a zoning permit had been
issued correct that is correct so it went from proposal from november when you first learned
about the proposal until december 15th when you learned about a permit correct all right i want i
think that's an important distinction that i want to clarify in terms of the other projects that and
i again that was not intentional i didn't realize i was sharing my screen so still but i looked up
a couple of those those projects for your own project 715 ardly um the zoning permit it looks
like um that zoning permit was pulled by dominic aspate who's an expediter here in philadelphia
does that sound correct it does and then for 1710 fairmount and 116 west mead were those just build
you you just did you were there zoning permits for the work that you did or were those interior
renovations that you did that involved just a building permit both both were i think there
was some zoning stuff before i came on board at uh at fairmount but it didn't involve me um and
then the the the other even the interior permits were pulled by um i think it was studio c on both
of those studio c architecture on both of those projects okay all right um i have no further
there um i have no further questions all right mr knockamson your witness i i'm done with this
witness i i i know but i'm saying you oh my god yeah you're with yeah yeah um okay why don't we
find a place for him to sit yeah i'm gonna bring up a chair with between uh that's fine we're gonna
kick we're gonna kick one now all right i need to be promoted as a host because i may be sharing
my screen okay so while we're waiting could you please state your name and spell for the
stenography try to get into that right there there you go good morning my name is jordan abrams i am
the managing member for the project uh my address is uh my name why don't you spell your name for
it's uh jordan abrams j-o-r-d-a-n-a-b-r-a-m-s you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole
truth nothing but the truth i do okay just knock on something you want it uh yeah let's do it okay
i'm just going to share my screen so we get this sure that started uh for record keeping purposes
we submitted this uh exhibit list is your mic one oh it's still hi uh all right uh we we submitted
THESE PRESENTATION MATERIALS, WHICH INCLUDE 12 EXHIBITS. WE'LL BE GOING OVER SOME OF THEM.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PRESENTATION, WE WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THESE EXHIBITS BE ADMITTED INTO
EVIDENCE AS WELL. MR. ABRAMS, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AT 6930 ARDLEY STREET?
That was July 20, 24th.
What's that?
It's a duo here.
I'm sorry, what was the date?
It was July 20, 24th.
And why did you purchase that prop?
I purchased it because the zoning changed to arm one.
I'm going to show you two exhibits.
First, which is our exhibit two in our packet of materials.
I'm going to object. I don't know how it's. I'm sorry. I thought you were flashing the ordinance. Sorry.
So the July 3rd, 2024 indenture, that's the deed that's transferring the property, the With Thought and Care LLC, correct?
Correct.
And by the way, you are the member of With Thought and Care LLC.
Correct. I'm the managing member.
Correct. I'm the managing member.
And you have authority to testify on its behalf.
And you have authority to testify on its behalf.
Correct.
Correct.
Now I'm going to show you the exhibit one, which is designated as bill number 24-240159.
Is that your understanding where the zoning changed from RTA1 to RM1 before you purchased the property?
I believe it was RSA to RM1.
I'm just going to object. I don't know how this has to do with notice to my client.
Why don't we just let him go a little further down like I have with you, and we'll see what's going on.
So at the time that you purchased the property, you understood that the property can be developed as a multifamily structure?
Correct.
After purchasing the property, what did you do? What steps did you take to move the project forward?
Yeah, so I hired an architect and an engineer.
And did they ultimately file, to your understanding, a zoning permit application for this proposed multifamily use?
Yes, that's correct.
I'm going to go to Exhibit 3, which is the Eclipse permit filing for the zoning permit application.
Is your understanding that this is the application for the proposed use of this multifamily structure?
Yes, that's correct.
All right. And did you ultimately receive a zoning permit for the property?
Yeah, we received a zoning permit September 15th of 2025.
All right. And then I'm showing you Exhibit 4, zoning permit ZP-2025-007104. Is that the zoning permit for this use of the property?
I believe so, yes.
To allow it to be used for 13 dwelling units, correct?
Correct.
And what's the date of the zoning permit?
believe it's uh september 15th 2025. all right and did you post is there any permit at the property
i did i posted in the window on the ardley street side of the building do you remember the date you
did so i don't remember the exact date but i have proof of posting from the 25th of september
now did you ever speak to the neighbors about the project yes so on september 24th and 25th
i spoke with my direct next door neighbor um i also spoke with the councilman on september 25th
and november 5th and the local rco president christine foster on uh october 31st and october
or november 3rd of 2025. and at the time you had communications with them they knew that you
obtained a zoning permit for this use of the property that's correct and um did you ever do
any construction activities uh with regards to the property after you obtained the zoning permit
yes so on october 22nd we received a non-structural demo permit and we did work between then and
uh october 31st and you mentioned you received a non-structural demo permit is that general permit
minor gm-2025-010056 i believe so yes uh and that is and i'm showing the board exhibit six
of our presentation packet which shows that um and what work did you do and and and how long
were you at the property yeah so as i mentioned we were there between the 22nd and 31st it was
non-structural demos that's removing kitchens bathrooms drywall interior non-structural walls
etc and then can you just give the board a general sense of like how many people were there what was
visible uh um during that that 10-day period from the street public street yeah sure so we had a
crew of about 15 workers on site uh we had dump trucks dumpsters um we had a porta potty installed
um and then um were there any issues during that 10 day time period with the general public with
regard to that construction work yes so we got a construction uh complaint on october 30th we had
a visit from lni on the 31st of october uh and on november 4th we received a violation showing the
board what has been marked as Exhibit 7 violation notice in order to correct, which is CF-2025-119760.
Is this the violation notice that you received in early November?
Now, after you obtained your zoning permit and began any work, did City Council take any action or attempted action regarding your project?
uh yes uh city count uh councilman bass introduced a resolution uh november 20th
um against the project let's see if that is i think i missed that one let's see it's back here
I think I missed that one. Let's see. It's back here somewhere.
somewhere
Actually, I don't believe I forgot to include that in my exhibit packet.
I would like to supplement my exhibit packet after today's hearing.
with what what is it it's it's the resolution where uh remember bass attempted to obtain
the landing to to contest a duly issued zoning permit and she she passed it or at least introduced
that resolution on november 20th i mean i don't know what it has to do with notice to my client
but well it deals with it's whether your client knew or should have known it goes to constructive
notice everyone else knew and for some reason your client didn't know well everybody else
even though your client's husband is in the business in the practice so we're going to do
is we'll allow that to move i didn't ask my clients that question so uh
all right i have no further question okay all right is uh so that's all the test money relative
to can i ask him some questions you are sure go ahead yeah sure um jordan um who who submitted
the zoning permit jack to the former question i i don't know what you mean who submitted the
zoning permit filed the zoning permit with the department of license the zoning permit
application with the department of licenses and inspections i believe that was toner architecture
okay and how did you become aware that the zoning permit had been issued eclipse through eclipse
and did you ever have like did you actually post the property yourself you said it was posted on
ardley yes okay um you did not post the property and you posted in the window correct correct and
how far would you estimate the window on the ardley street property side of the property is
from the sidewalk i'm not sure okay all right so i mean i've already i'm going to show i've shown
photos with the posting out at the edge of the property but i'm going to share my screen right
now and i just want to confirm give me one minute
so that's the picture i have right now is the property correct
correct question with the arrow and the street to the left that extends away the only thing i
object to is, you know, for record keeping purposes, I would just ask that Mr. Ripponini's
identify which exhibit he's pointing to. Sure. So this is tab I, sub tab I1, I1A.
So this photograph, again, is the photo with the arrows pointing to 6930 Ardely, correct?
Correct. Okay. And the street extends to the right is which street?
cedric street and the street that extends to the left or extends away towards the left
side of the picture is what street that is ardly okay and you don't know what that distance is
from the building is set back let me rephrase that the building is set back considerably from
ardly street correct to the form of the question all right
how can you take a look at that picture and estimate how far the building is located
from the sidewalk on Ardley?
And how about from the sidewalk on Sedgwick or Sedgwick?
I'm also not sure.
And this is the posting of the zoning permits in the window.
Again, for record-keeping purposes,
I would ask that Mr. Orphanetes identify the actual exhibit he's referencing.
They're in I-1A.
Thank you.
I'll let you know when I change off of I-1A.
How about that?
all right so is that the zoning permits that you posted in the orderly street window
I believe so okay you're not sure it's it's a very small okay and does that look like the
location of the posting of the zoning permits in the orderly street window yes okay and did you
post you didn't post a zoning permit on the sedley street window of the property correct correct
Correct. Okay. Is this a permit that's posted in that window on Sedgley Street? Did you post that?
It's Sedgwick Street. I keep calling it Sedgwick Street. Sedgwick. Yes. Okay.
And there's two, does it look like that's another permit you posted on the Sedgwick side?
Correct. But you did not post the zoning permit on the Sedgwick side, in the window on the Sedgwick side of the building, correct?
but you did not post the zoning permit on the sedgwick side in the window on the sedgwick side
of the building correct correct but you would agree that the building is set back from the
sidewalk um of both from both sedgley sedgwick and ardley street correct correct okay and
i'm going to now go to tab i1b i know here we go tab i1c
and these pictures were taken in april 1 2026 and does that look to show the how the property
existed at that time if you know i'm going to object because i don't think these photographs
were authenticated by either witness of his all right here's photograph here's photographs that
i did show to my client from april 2nd so we notice here that people are gathered around
So you found a board that's located at the corner of the property.
Is that you in the picture?
Did you create that posting?
I did at the post.
Okay. And what did you put on that board?
That was the construction permit and the zoning permit.
Okay. And is that the only location at the corner of the property?
I don't understand the question.
Where you posted the permits other than in the window?
Other than the window, yes.
And are you aware that the zoning code requires at tab 143036F that a permit holder shall post a true copy of the permit on the subject property along each street frontage, unless impractical, in a place and manner conspicuous to the public for no less than 30 days?
I'm going to object to that question as requesting a legal conclusion.
Sorry.
Are you aware? Have you ever seen that? Well, let him answer that. It's not a legal conclusion. Have you ever seen that? Ever? Yes. Yeah. Okay. And is there any reason why you didn't post the zoning permit at each street frontage? Yes. At the time, I wasn't aware of this requirement. No property had done prior has ever been on a corner. It's always been posted at the frontage.
And then when you did post some time in, when did you put that posting up at the corner? Is that accurate that it was in April?
I'll object to the question as irrelevant. Again, the standard here is whether his client knew or reasonably should have known within 30 days from the date of the December 29th filing.
All of Mr. Orphanini's questions deal with time periods that are beyond that time frame, which the board, with this evidence, would not be relevant to their determination of whether or not their client filed in a timely fashion.
Until he finishes.
So the zoning code requires a posting, and that's what's supposed to provide notice to the public.
And what I'm making crystal clear in establishing, unless there's a stipulation, is that Mr.
Notkinson's client never posted the property, has never posted the property properly with
the zoning permit, and at best has posted it in April.
Now, that's in terms of actual notes.
I want to make clear that that's the first time the permit was posted, so it's conspicuous
from the sidewalk.
So I believe we stipulated at the beginning, Ms. Emerson, I believe we stipulated that
We're not contesting the fact that my client did not post the property appropriately.
The inquiry here that the board must consider is when his client knew of the zoning permit, or when should they have reasonably known of the zoning permit.
That's the inquiry this board has to come to a conclusion on.
I listened to the recording.
I don't recall that stipulation.
I may be mistaken, but if that's what we're going to stipulate, I needed to get that basic thing done.
and I'll move off it because I think I've established my so it's my I know we focus my
is my understanding um that the um that Mr. Nockmson and his client stipulated that the
property property um was not posted according to the code however it was not clear whether
that had to do with timeliness whether it had to do with having a posting on each frontage but just