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ZBA Hearing - February 26, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Feb 26, 20258h 26m

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Perfect. So this is for a property located at 2550 North 30th Street, the FPA.

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I'm just going to go through the presentations and offer some insight into what we have going on.

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So at first, the letter of refusal.

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The letter of refusal states this is for erection of a multifamily, three-family dwelling property.

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This is a vacant property. I'm going to call notice to there is an overlay with a structure.

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the roof deck um and the roof deck structure by a pilot house which i think earlier we heard the

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rcl mentioned um which i'll get into later in the presentation

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here we have just the d to the property

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and then now we have some pictures of the the area that the property is located

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So, the property is located on 30th Street, the surrounding neighborhood is in North Philly.

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Some of the commercial corridors on these streets here, as you see, some of the corners have businesses.

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It's another area of view of what the property map looks like.

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This here is where the property is located.

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It's RSA 5.

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You'll see some of the surrounding areas are also RSA 5.

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there's some commercial mixed-use buildings as well there's a current status of the current

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state of the property the property is a vacant lot um east side has two houses that are both

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three-story i also have one of the homeowners of the properties um on the call as well who

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is also an agreement with the development but the we plan to build a three-story

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building here I mean consistent with what's already there again this is

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another area of view of the properties in the area then here we have some again

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area view zoomed out a little bit more some RM1s and CMX2s again commercial

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mixed use in the area as well and i'll go into the drawings of the property

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so again existing the property is um currently just is a vacant lot

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um there's two properties that are adjacent to it i'm just going to build in the middle of them

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um we're proposing three units two two bedrooms and then one one bedroom

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Maintaining a three-story building.

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Again, it's a side view of the property.

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Just prove that the real estate taxes are paid.

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Now I'm going to go into, I guess,

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we held a meeting with the RCO.

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At the meeting, they did not hold a vote,

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but I saw that they sent a letter,

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which I was CC'd on and then sent another letter this morning.

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So I was just going to bring that up to the board and kind of discuss some of the RCO concerns.

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So I was just going to bring that to the board and kind of discuss some of the RCO concerns.

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So it's a letter I believe the RCO sent this morning.

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And basically, for the most part, the RCO's main issue, which I guess we would be able to cure, is that this property has an overlay.

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So here, the property has an overlay.

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So there's some trash storage.

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They want trash storage, which we would agree to.

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No basement living.

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They did request two units, but as you saw, the property is actually three stories.

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Additionally, they mentioned that they did not want a rooftop.

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So on the refusal, there is an overlay on a property that lists that they don't want a roof deck on a property, which the property owners have agreed to not do.

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We talked about with the RCO.

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try to comply with their wants uh we would maintain a three-story building similar to

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the properties that are there um and we would not do any um roof deck of any sort and make

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sure that the porches and patios are in compliance with the overlay as well

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to curing concerns from the rco um i mean we originally said that they didn't have a vote

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an initial email then i guess they're saying now they did have a vote um but nonetheless

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we were carrying concerns that they have with the overlay by not by abiding by it

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um so this is just i mean the history of the property so i originally took over this case

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on a prior attorney um and pretty much this this property um was a pill with an accelerated review

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requested and we haven't even really been able to get in front of our rso and it's taken about

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two years to get us to this point. Well, a year and a few months. So, at this point,

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what we're requesting is that we've allowed the case to be pushed back. We've met with the RCO,

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sent out the notices. We're going to comply with the overlay. I even have attached some properties

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which I submitted to the RCO, which established similar properties that were approved by the RCO

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that are doing similar things to what we're doing, and they're pretty close.

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So this is 2334 North 30th Street, 2637 West Somerset Street, all from the same RCO,

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2203 North Natrona Street, 315 Cummins Street, and then 2848 North 26th Street.

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Similarly, they were built multifamily.

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They were properties that were originally RSA 5.

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I mentioned it to the RCO as well.

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I think in their letter, they referenced that they are aware that other developments have happened that were similar, which we plan to do with a vacant lot and just basically comply with the overlay security concerns that the RCO may have.

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And that concludes my presentation.

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Thank you, counsel.

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Questions from the board.

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Sure. So did I hear you correctly that you will abide by the request of the RCOs?

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I will abide by the request of the overlay, yes.

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Okay. So no, the request, for example, no basement living, maximum two units, and there were a couple other things I thought I heard you said that you would comply with that.

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So we're in agreements with complying with the no basement lettering. I guess the issue with the two units on which we mentioned was that they're fine with the property being built three stories, but they're not.

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One, two family.

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Yeah. Which, I mean, it's kind of like not cost effective to do that way because we're still building three stories regardless.

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And how many are there, how many duplexes are on that particular block?

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So the top of my head, there's, I'm not sure.

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The properties that I showed you, so for example, this would be on the same block, well, something like a block over.

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this is a three unit but this one also has a roof deck and a balcony so there i mean there

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is multiple not so much on that block within a few blocks they've come through this rco and been

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approved um some of them also i guess don't actually comply with the overlay but we're

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still approved but we do plan to actually comply with the overlay all right thank you

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I have a question. So on the plans that you have, are you showing one unit per floor?

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So how it will work is the plans that you do show the RCA. I'm sorry.

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yeah so basically it's one unit per floor but there's like steps so a part of another unit

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Yeah. So basically it's one unit per floor, but there's like.

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may have like the uh may like like stairs or like the living room or something like that so

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wait sorry just gonna pass it

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looks like it's a basement uh apartment like basement bedroom in a basement in in this picture

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that's why did you show this to the rco or did you say we would have no basement living

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during the RCO meeting?

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I did show it to the RCO

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and we will comply with no basement living.

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They said no basement living,

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but they were fine with if we had,

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we built out the basement to have storage

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or water heaters or washing machines

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and stuff like that.

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So how would that change

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these plans that you have now?

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We would still have three units,

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except, and we still had to build out

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the bottom unit because it's a vacant lot.

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We'd have to build it out

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and just leave it as storage.

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So like they can have,

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technically the first floor unit

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could have access to the basement so that means you won't you wouldn't use the egress wells you

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would take those out yes um okay so i have a question because you said that you are in agreement

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with the three stories but you're currently showing a building that's five floors and four

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stories no the building is so the so the currently all of the buildings are three stories and the

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building that will be built um would also be three stories your your your plans showed four stories

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there are four floors above the ground plane so that the top floor meant the height requirement

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but it was it was four stories so the the top floor would have been a roof deck which is not

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compliant with the overlay which we were saying we would not do we had mentioned so there's a

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bedroom up there though so that's not a roof deck that's a that's a floor that's a half floor right

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so this is this is one floor this is one floor so this is not one floor it just has an interior

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staircase it it would be considered one floor when it's built it's not going to be four floors

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yeah no i i can read but i get what you're trying to say um so one i think are we really trying to

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do 7 foot 11 ceilings? I mean, like this, I feel like this is trying really hard to cram a lot of

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units into a very small space. And these are not really functional spaces. And to ask, so my

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question would be, what's the hardship that requires this? Right. So I guess currently

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um it's not they're not small units i mean seven seven foot eleven ceiling is pretty low

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i mean standard is nine feet uh you know typically things are eight right like you know when they

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drop it's the eight so i mean that is still it's your floor to ceiling heights are tight

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so i guess currently the hardship is that this property when i mentioned so our show is a vacant

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lot. So some of one of the people at the meeting suggested, well, if you were to build a single

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family home, it's currently a vacant lot. And I guess economically, it wouldn't really make much

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sense for the owners to build just a single family home at the current property. Yeah, but to go from

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a single family home to three units, I guess I'm trying to understand those. Well, we're going from

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a vacant light we're going from a vacant lot to three technically council how many how many three

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i mean how many three units are on the uh or triplexes on the block

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this actual block there's no triplexes there are blocks within of their triplexes on blocks

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within the next two blocks which were some of the address i showed got it okay additionally

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the property owner who's to the property to the I guess the left or right of this also is in

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agreement with the development and is on the call. Any other questions from the board? Yeah

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maybe not question but just comment I understand maybe two family but to go from vacant to three

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family seems a little stretched. And I'm not hearing

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any kind of real

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hardship kind of argument being advanced here as to why

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it couldn't be two units as opposed to, and

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I guess my question then too would be how many other two families

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are there on this block? Do we know?

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So, like I said, the address that I mentioned

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We're not necessarily this exact block, but within a few blocks radius, because this is basically a vacant lot on this block.

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um because this is basically a vacant lot on this block so for example this would be 2334

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So, for example, this would be 2334.

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north 30th street and this is a three-family unit um so i guess this is within a two block

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radius of the current property now so i guess they do exist and have been through this rco

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um i mean there are three units so it's not like as

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yeah, I guess completely unheard of in the area.

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All right. Thank you.

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Questions from our attorney, Hillary Emerson.

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Yes, two things briefly. First, Mr.

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Do you have proof of posting for today's hearing?

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Because I don't believe you received that.

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i can i can submit it uh when i submit we need to see that right now okay now you do you're

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aware this is a vacant lot right yes but proof of posting is required regardless of the status of

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the lot okay i don't have it in this presentation i have to search through my emails but i can

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submit it to you okay well we cannot vote on that and i'll vote on this until we have that

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That's fine.

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From my understanding, there are no votes going on today anyway, correct?

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Well, it definitely has to now.

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So, and that was something that was requested of you.

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So, in future, please make sure that's with your initial exhibits.

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Second, you had, can you go to the site plan?

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Yes.

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And then also, if possible, I wanted to bring forward the adjacent properties owner.

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Okay, well, just give us one second. So, going to the site plan, you, so this does not show, does not look like it shows a roof deck. Is that correct?

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Right. Yeah.

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So, you were not, are you not, did you originally propose a roof deck? I heard that mentioned, but I don't see that in any of the.

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Yeah, so that's what the original proposal was for, yes.

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okay all right so but so was there a different plan submitted to l and i showing a roof deck

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because so then we need then there's a revised plans issue here no these are the only plans

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that we have when i took over the case these are the plans we presented to the rco these are only

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plans okay so had no roof deck and they just they then wanted assurance that there would be no roof

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deck basically correct yes all right thank you questions from the audience any questions from

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the virtual audience yes i have a hand up from pastor tyrone williams i've allowed them to speak

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thank you mr williams please state your name and spell it for the court reporter

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Good morning, Tyrone, T-Y-R-O-N-E, Williams, W-I-L-L-I-A-L.

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You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Yes.

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Please proceed.

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Yes.

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I attended the meeting with the coordinating RCO Strawberry Mansion Community Concern.

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One of the first questions I asked him in looking at the packet that he had for everyone to view through,

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uh was did you we did you know about the overlay and um i was disheartening to know that he had

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no idea about the overlay that's number one number two um we gave some suggestions to uh um um the

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lawyer uh and and the homeowner that was there about perhaps duplex um and scratching the whole

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idea of four units or even three units.

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And I left my position

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at the meeting that the

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CDC will only support this if

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it was a duplex.

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And that it's just too

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many red flags for the overlay

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for even considering the

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CDC to support it. So I just

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want to put that on record that we

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