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ZBA Hearing - December 13, 2023

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 13, 20236h 13m

Mr. Holliman, is that you?

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Phone number ending in 3552.

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Thank you, Mr. Holloman.

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There you go, Ms. Holloman. Wonderful.

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Okay.

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I'm sorry. That's not Mr. Holloman. Isn't that Adrian?

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Yes, I just wanted to tell you.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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We're going to have to bounce you out, Adrian.

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There he is.

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thank you okay thank you miss l you're more than welcome miss sunken mr halliman what's the last

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four of your phone number please i have it

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9-1-1-6 thank you

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Mr. Holloman, are you able to speak through Zoom because I don't see your phone number

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listed yeah your audio is breaking up so you can you hear me oh now i can

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could you say something

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okay

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Thank you.

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It looks like he's struggling here.

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We have Jim and we have Ish, so we have enough votes.

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For a quorum.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Well, we can proceed as you wish, Chair. We can start the recording.

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Well, why don't we start the recording, and then we'll figure it out, okay?

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Okay.

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Good morning. I had a question. Could he just vote with a thumbs up if he can't get audio?

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No, because we're transcribing. He needs to, yeah, but thank you for the suggestion.

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He needs to call in. Tom, can you hear us? Can you give us a thumbs up if you can hear us?

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okay he can hear us okay try to go in through the app on your phone so we have you on audio

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that way because your audio on your computer is unfortunately not working today okay thanks Tom

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Keena, do we see his number?

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Not yet, Chair.

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Yeah, currently, I only see one calling user with the area code of 609.

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All right, Hillary, I think we're going to have to start with the three.

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Hillary, I think we're going to have to start with the three.

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That's fine, Mr. Chair.

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That's fine, Mr. Chair.

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Why don't we start?

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Okay, it's already recording, Chair.

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You can proceed as you wish.

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How many people are in?

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Do you see?

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Yes, we have 37 attendees.

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Okay, thank you.

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Good morning, everyone.

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My name is Bill Bergman, and I will be chairing this morning's EBA hearing.

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With me is our Vice Chair, Ismail Shahid.

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Present, Mr. Chairman.

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Thomas Holloman, our board member.

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Mr. Holloman's here. He's having a hard time getting through on his computer.

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And James Snell, our board member.

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Present, Chair.

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Also present is Hillary Emerson, our attorney, and our executive director, Tanya Sunken.

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Here's our virtual format.

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Be advised, the proceedings are being recorded.

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Video will be available by contacting tanyasunken at phil.gov.

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For the benefit of our court stenographer, we ask attorneys and witnesses to identify themselves before testifying.

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If you're participating by phone and you wish to testify, press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute.

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To enter an appearance statement, call 267-270-5548.

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Leave your email and the address of the property in question.

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And finally, the question and answer box on the screen is not for comments or testimony.

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All comments should be directed to our Executive Director, Tanya Sunken.

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Let's look at our schedule for today.

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Number two, MI 2022-007-252-370-3730 North 18th Street.

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That case is continued.

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Number four.

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MI-2023

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002-871-2146

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Bridge Street

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That case is continued

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Number 7

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Hold on one minute please

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Number 7

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MI-2022-006-734-2402-Spruce Street.

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Is Mr. Nockamson in the audience?

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Good morning, Mr. Chair.

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This is Jason Hiddell, who will be your co-host for today.

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Mr. Nockamson has been allowed to speak.

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Good morning, Mr. Nockamson. Could you state your name, please, and spell it for the court stenographer?

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Alan Nockamson, A-L-A-N, last name Nockamson, N-O-C-H-U-M-S-O-N.

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Right. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Mr. Nockamson, this case, 2402 Spruce Street, this is the third listing. I understand you're looking for a continuance?

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Yes. So this is a historic property and there have been requests by the community to make modifications to the exterior of the property, which are not zoning related, but we're trying to act in good faith with the community.

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And we're trying to work through the historic commission on how to most efficiently make those modifications while also pursuing that zoning matter.

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So I would actually request that we are the moving party.

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We don't want to clog the board's listings, but we do need additional time to kind of work through some of those historic measures.

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Okay, thank you.

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So MI 2022-006-734-2402 Spruce Street, the case is continued.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Number 13, MI 2023-002-905-4721 Van Kirk Street.

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That case is continued.

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Number 15, MI 2023-002-909-2651 North 17th Street.

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The case is continued.

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And number 19, MI 2023-002-867-1775 Bridge Street, that case is continued.

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Is there anyone in the audience who has comments relative to the cases that have been continued?

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Okay, Mr. Chair, I have a James Runca with their hand raised.

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Okay, Mr. Chair, I have a James Ronca with their hand raised. I have allowed them to speak.

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I have allowed them.

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Okay.

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Good morning. Could you state your name, please, and spell for the court stenographer?

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Yes, James Ronca. It's R-O-N-C-A.

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Right. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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We do.

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What case are you calling about?

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2402 Spruce Street.

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Yes, sir.

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We had submitted a number of documents in support of our opposition to the zoning variance requested by the owners.

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This is the third time it's been listed.

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The property is currently being used for visitor accommodations, which we've observed on numerous occasions, as have other neighbors.

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And we have prepared three times now to defend our position.

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And we're wondering if we'll ever get to the hearing on this and whether the property will continue to be used in a manner that's in violation of the city ordinances while we wait.

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um you you we will get to this case i purposely called the attorney to see what their his reasons

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were at this point the reasons sound legit it to me legitimate to me and uh we we will move

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forward with this case i guarantee you okay all right and as far as what they're doing now um

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this is the zoning board i i will check with our council to see what we can do for you for that

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okay thank you mr ronka yeah so mr ronka um are just to clarify are you an attorney and who are

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you representing all right so we're the owners we're the owners of the property next door but

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i am also an attorney okay okay thank you so are you here on behalf of your of yourself then as

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as a neighbor i'm i'm here on behalf of myself and and my wife as a neighbor but we happen to

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also be attorneys. So I, I don't know how that squares up with your appearance system.

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Okay. No problem. I'll, I will make a note. Thank you.

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All right. All right. Thank you. And thank you for taking the time to call on him. We appreciate it.

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Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else in the audience who has a comments relative to what

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we've continued? Okay. Mr. Chair. Yes. We need to pause for a second. Mr. Shahid

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um got um knocked out of the zoom and he's unable to get back in

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um tony can you please send another link to mr shaheed

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sure thank you

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um thank you everyone sorry for the delay um we're going to look at cases that we don't have

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exhibits for? Number one, MI 2022-007-304-1901 Chestnut Street. This is the second listing.

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There is an identical appeal pending for this property with a 2023 appeal number on 110 will

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We'll be 1-10-24.

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Is Melvin Brown or Sung Ho Kim in the audience?

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Mr. Chair, I do not see any hands raised for this matter.

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All right, thank you.

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So MI 2022-007-37304, 1901 Chestnut Street.

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There's an identical appeal pending.

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We do not have documents.

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I vote to dismiss.

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James Snell, my vote is to dismiss.

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Ishmael Shaheed, my vote is to dismiss.

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Thank you.

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I think Mr. Holloman was trying to vote.

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Mr. Holloman, I think your volume is very low.

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I don't know if you could, I could hear you very faintly.

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Yeah, I can't hear you.

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I can't hear you now.

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I will keep working on it.

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We have the three votes.

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Thank you.

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Number nine, MI 2022-006735-4031 Spring Garden Street.

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Jeffrey Young is the attorney.

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We have no exhibits on this.

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This is the third listing.

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Okay.

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Mr. Chair, I do not see any hands for this matter.

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So MI 2022-006735, 4031 Spring Garden Street, Mr. Young's cases are being transferred to someone else.

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4031 Spring Garden Street. Mr. Young's cases are being transferred to someone else.

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This case is continued, but must be tried next time.

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Number 16.

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Excuse me, Mr. Chair, we have a hand raised. I'm not sure if it's related to this case or not.

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Okay.

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Hi, could you state your name, please, and spell for the court stenographer?

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Hello, respectable people on the phone. My name is Giannis Sidnor. Y-U-H-N-I-S, last name S as in Sam, Y-G-G as in David, N as in Nancy, O, Oscar, R as in Robert.

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Do you swear a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I swear to tell the whole truth, the truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Okay, okay. So could you tell me what case you're interested in?

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It's at that 4031 Spring Garden Street. My challenge, my most respectable elected and appointed officials is that this case has been kicked down the road to the best example of any government, Democrat, Republican, neutral person back and forth.

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As a homeowner, as a taxpayer, and the like, I plead with you that we are tired of this thing being continued.

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If I'm not mistaken, it is over.

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This is the third time.

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Listen to me.

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Listen to me.

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Mr. Sidnor, listen to me.

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Listen to me.

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It is the third time.

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if you heard my comments

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this will be heard the next time

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one way or the other

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and I'm sorry for any

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inconveniences you may have

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can I say to you

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yes you can

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hello

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yes can you hear me now

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I can I can hear you

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with all due respect I want to say

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thank you

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for saying the next time

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I must be courteous

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That's the way my parents raised me.

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Well, thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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And we do appreciate your phone call.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so I'm going to move on to number 16.

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MI 2022, 003-365-1216 Lycoming Street.

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Ronald Talbert is the listed owner.

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