civus
Hearing video

ZBA Hearing - April 18, 2023

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Apr 18, 20232h 6m

Thank you.

Similar wording

okay chair we have 21 attendees and you can start as you wish thank you good morning everyone my

Similar wording

name is Bill Bergman and I will be chairing this morning ZBA hearings. With me is our vice chair

Similar wording

Ismail Shahid. Present Mr. Chairman. Our board member Thomas Holloman. Present Mr. Chairman.

Similar wording

And our board member James Snow. Present Mr. Chairman. Also present is Hillary Emerson our

Similar wording

attorney and also our executive director Tanya Sumter. Here's our virtual format. Be advised

Similar wording

the proceedings are being recorded, a video will be available by contacting tonyasunkett

Similar wording

at phila.gov. For the benefit of our court stenographer, we ask attorneys and witnesses

Similar wording

to identify themselves before they testify. If you're participating by phone and you wish to

Similar wording

testify, press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute. To enter an appearance statement,

Similar wording

call 267-270-5548. Leave your email and the address for the property in question. And finally,

Similar wording

the question answer box on the screen is not for comments or testimony. Any comments should be

Similar wording

directed to our Executive Director, Tanya Sumkin. Let's look at our continuations for today.

Similar wording

Okay. Number two, MI 2022-007-286-1716-18 Addison Avenue. This case has been continued by the

Similar wording

board pending the resolution of a related appeal for the same property. And also number five,

Similar wording

MI 2022-003-757-2024-28, North 22nd Street, this case is continued. Is there anyone has any

Similar wording

comments about the two cases that have been continued.

Similar wording

Good morning, Chair. This is Doreen Blakey, and I will be your co-host this morning.

Similar wording

Thank you.

Similar wording

You're welcome. I have Darwin Uves. His hand was up.

Similar wording

Okay.

Similar wording

Just went down, and now I have a Steve Masters with his hand up.

Similar wording

I will allow him to speak.

Similar wording

Okay, so hold on a minute. Let me bring that. I know what the case is. Let me bring it up.

Similar wording

Okay.

Similar wording

yes have have darwin and steve both come in okay

Similar wording

they're they're both in okay

Similar wording

good morning mr masters could you state your name please and spell for the court reporter

Similar wording

Good morning, Mr. Chair, members of the board. My name is Steve Masters, S-T-E-V-E, M-A-S-T-E-R-S. I represent two RCOs in opposition to Mr. Bovee's.

Similar wording

Just for the record, the case is MI 2021-004-548-4306-208 Parkside-Ap.

Similar wording

And do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, Mr. Masters?

Similar wording

I do.

Similar wording

Mr. Beauvais, could you state your name and spell it, please, for the court reporter?

Similar wording

Gladly. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

Similar wording

My name is Darwin Beauvais, that's B-E-A-U-V as in Victory, A-I-S as in Sam, representing the applicant.

Similar wording

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Similar wording

I do.

Similar wording

Mr. Beauvais, I understand you're requesting a continuance?

Similar wording

Yeah, this...

Similar wording

Would you please state why?

Similar wording

Yes, this started out as a, I was approached by counsel to enter into negotiations for a settlement.

Similar wording

enter into negotiations for a settlement. And as recent as yesterday, we sat down and we talked

Similar wording

and as

Similar wording

and our negotiations, and I forwarded the two significant emails for the board to look at,

Similar wording

whereas they requested that we enter into negotiations to talk about settlement. I said,

Similar wording

all right, let me check with my client. My client agreed, but I also said that we wanted to have a

Similar wording

global settlement. Just by giving the board a little background, this is not the first time

Similar wording

this community group has been upset and wanted to protest one of my client's projects. So there's

Similar wording

been growing animosity between the parties. There have been past ill will, and I said,

Similar wording

okay, let's try to address everything. They approached us for settlement. I said,

Similar wording

okay, that's fine. Let's do that. Let's continue this for at least a week or however for the next

Similar wording

day, and we can resolve everything. In the evening, yesterday evening, I get an email

Similar wording

from council saying, oh, you misunderstood. That's not what we meant. And, and I believe

Similar wording

the board got a email from council saying, oh, we still want to move forward, even though we

Similar wording

want to talk settlement. That's confusing, Mr. Chairman. So how is it that you want to discuss

Similar wording

settlement? Even they gave the board their, what they believe the offer is never spoke to me or

Similar wording

my client about this until late last night with an addendum that even came in at 11 p.m.

Similar wording

And now they're saying, oh, we want to move forward.

Similar wording

I'm completely lost here.

Similar wording

Good morning, Mr. Masters.

Similar wording

Could you respond?

Similar wording

Sure.

Similar wording

So a number of weeks ago, my clients did ask me to approach Darwin and explore a settlement.

Similar wording

You know, we had a conversation at an event that we were both attending in Center City.

Similar wording

We then exchanged some emails.

Similar wording

We tried to schedule a negotiation session for last week.

Similar wording

That wasn't possible or over the weekend because of scheduling.

Similar wording

We had hoped to schedule it yesterday.

Similar wording

And Mr. Beauvais did participate in a Zoom meeting with our clients, but his client wasn't there.

Similar wording

And there was some communication challenges between my paralegal and me.

Similar wording

So Mr. Bovee was not aware that when we asked him to join a Zoom, we were hoping to negotiate with him.

Similar wording

He did go and talk to his client and get authority to do that.

Similar wording

But at that point, when I then went to my clients, they instructed me that they would prefer to move forward today and to, they do have a compromise proposal that we've shared with Mr. Bovee that we want to share with the board in the interest of coming up with a solution that could be to benefit both the community and the applicant here.

Similar wording

But we don't, my clients don't see a good reason to postpone this a couple weeks where basically we have a proposal of, you know, a lesser number of units that the community would find acceptable in this project.

Similar wording

And we wanted to present that as part of our testimony today.

Similar wording

So we feel that, especially because this board has indicated that you want to have written arguments, you know, after the conclusion of all testimonies, so we're not going to have a vote at the conclusion of our hearing today.

Similar wording

We think that would be the most constructive use of the board's time and of moving this process forward.

Similar wording

So my clients, while they had, you know, been seeking conversations and negotiations for quite some time, at this point, since it's at the last minute, they believe that the best way to do this would be to present our suggestion for, you know, smaller amount of units, and the board can consider that in its deliberations.

Similar wording

Thank you.

Similar wording

Go ahead, Darwin.

Similar wording

That is, that is so manipulative, right?

Similar wording

Because it actually, he created a situation where he wants to negotiate right now and settle this.

Similar wording

and settle this. Mr. Masters, do you want to respond to what he just said?

Similar wording

I understand. Mr. Masters.

Similar wording

I mean, Darwin and I are friends. As a friend, I would say to him that that was an uncalled for

Similar wording

attack on me. But no, we look at the history of this. If we go back and look at the transcripts

Similar wording

on this case, back to 2021, there were different times where the community reached out and wanted

Similar wording

to have conversations. When they hired me quite a long time ago, we reached out and wanted to

Similar wording

have conversations with Mr. Bovee and his client, and the client wasn't interested.

Similar wording

Okay, okay. So for both parties, MI 2021-004-548-4306-2808 Parkside Avenue,

Similar wording

we were going to continue this case um uh lakisha can we get this in in a couple weeks

Similar wording

lakisha um i'm not sure about a couple of weeks but i can schedule uh all right so you'll be you'll

Similar wording

you'll be in touch with both them and and get this back in as as soon as you can but give it a few

Similar wording

weeks to see if they can't work out an arrangement yes chair and and thank both of you for your

Similar wording

comments i appreciate it but the case is continued thank you all right thank you thank you is there

Similar wording

any other case any other requests for continuance i see no hands chair okay so i'm i have a few cases

Similar wording

here that case number four, MI 2022-004-471-4836 North Fair Hill Street. I have no exhibit,

Similar wording

second listing. The listed applicant is Victoria Alexander.

Similar wording

Excuse me, Mr. Chair, this is Hillary. The applicant in this case is DeVetta Fleming. The property owner is Victoria Alexander.

Similar wording

Okay, great. Thank you. DeVetta Fleming, please.

Similar wording

DeVetta Fleming, if you're in the audience, could you raise your hand, please?

Similar wording

she's not in the audience okay thank you this is the second listing that no one's appeared

Similar wording

mi2022-004-471-4836 north fair hill street i vote to dismiss

Similar wording

thomas holliman i vote to dismiss james snell i vote to dismiss

Similar wording

Ishmael Shaheed, I vote to dismiss

Similar wording

Okay

Similar wording

Number 10

Similar wording

MI 2022

Similar wording

003-784-9481

Similar wording

Woodbridge Road

Similar wording

Samia Sampson

Similar wording

No exhibits, second listing

Similar wording

Ms. Sampson, if you're in the audience

Similar wording

Raise your hand

Similar wording

she's not in the audience either this is the second listen that no one has

Similar wording

appeared mi2022-003-784-9481 woodbridge road i vote to dismiss

Similar wording

thomas holloman my vote is to dismiss james snell my vote is to dismiss

Similar wording

My vote is to dismiss and number 13 MI 2022 003 779 122 West Susquehanna Avenue no exhibits second

Similar wording

listing I see no hands too okay so this is the second list and no one's appeared MI 2022 003

Similar wording

779-122

Similar wording

West S. Quahana Avenue

Similar wording

I vote to dismiss

Similar wording

Thomas Holloman

Similar wording

I vote to dismiss

Similar wording

James Snell

Similar wording

my vote is to dismiss

Similar wording

Ishmael Shahid

Similar wording

my vote is to dismiss

Similar wording

thank you

Similar wording

and number 7

Similar wording

I believe there's a request for withdrawal

Similar wording

MI 2022

Similar wording

003

Similar wording

782

Similar wording

3907 to 11

Similar wording

Northridge Street

Similar wording

Victor Colon

Similar wording

is Mr. Colon in the audience

Similar wording

wait a minute

Similar wording

I

Similar wording

Doreen, unmute your mic.

Similar wording

Do we see Mr. Colon?

Similar wording

He's not in the audience, Chair.

Similar wording

Okay, all right, thank you.

Similar wording

So MI 2022-003-782-3907-211 North 3 Street.

Similar wording

This case is continued.

Similar wording

owner must appear next meeting. Okay, we're going to start our list and we're going to go to number

Similar wording

12. MI 2022-003-765-5027 Rising Sun Avenue. Cedric Allen is the owner applicant.

Similar wording

The application for a multifamily household living, three dwelling units on the same lot

Similar wording

with all other uses as previously approved. The proposed multiple family household living is

Similar wording

prohibited in the RSA 5 zoning district. There is a letter of support from the 42nd Ward

Similar wording

Executive Committee, Democratic Executive Committee, and a letter of non-opposition

Similar wording

from Councilperson Lozada. Mr. Allen. Mr. Allen has been promoted, Chair. Good morning, Mr. Allen.

Similar wording

Allen, could you state your name, please, and spell for the court reporter?

Similar wording

Cedric Allen, C-E-D-R-I-C-A-L-L-E-N.

Similar wording

Right.

Similar wording

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Similar wording

Yes.

Similar wording

Our vice chair has a few questions for you, sir.

Similar wording

Okay.

Similar wording

Good morning, Mr. Allen.

Similar wording

Have you emailed all the required documents to proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing?

Similar wording

Yes.

Similar wording

Thank you.

Similar wording

please proceed and share your screen share my screen yes how do i do that

Similar wording

you have all your documents on the computer yes on the green on the bottom of your computer

Similar wording

there's a green light that says share documents or share screen

Similar wording

you're coming up

Similar wording

what would y'all like to see the documents or pictures so i we have the documents let me see

Similar wording

the photos let me see what the property looks like okay and can you make that full screen please sir

Similar wording

full screen

Similar wording

next to the x button is the two um arrows just basically saying oh yep to your right

Similar wording

nope down on your documents

Similar wording

right here yep them two thank you okay

Similar wording

all right go back go go back to the three meters

Similar wording

first of all tell us what you want to do just trying to i bought this property um

Similar wording

it was when i bought it they said it was a triplex then come to find out it wasn't zoned

Similar wording

properly so i just want to zone it as a triplex which what it is three units

Similar wording

all right those three meters are the three units yes sir you don't have a fourth meter for the

Similar wording

common area no okay all right continue

Similar wording

how long do you believe this was a triplex

Similar wording

i'm sorry how long do you believe this was a triplex

Similar wording

how long have i believed it was a triplex yeah from the moment i started uh walking it when i

Similar wording

started looking at it to buy it with the realtor it was listed as a triplex okay is there other

Similar wording

multiple family units on the block yes the whole block same same thing okay

Similar wording

and you went to the executive committee of the 42nd ward and they approved before they gave you a

Similar wording

and you went to the executive committee of the 42nd Ward in April

Similar wording

letter of support yes sir and the council person is also in favor am i right non-opposition yes sir

Similar wording

okay questions from the board no mr chairman no chair no chair questions or comments from the

Similar wording

virtual audience. I see no hands, Chair. Planning Commission. Morning, this is Ron Bednar, City

Similar wording

Planning, first name Ron, R-O-N, last name Bednar, B-E-D-E-N-A-R. Do you swear or affirm to tell the

Similar wording

truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, sir? I do. Proceed. While a comprehensive plan

Similar wording

recommends no change to existing residential single family zoning at this occasion, the proposed use

Similar wording

is consistent with the documented previous uses of this property. Therefore, the City Planning

Similar wording

Commission recommends the zoning board grant the variance. Thank you. MI 2022-003-765-5027

Similar wording

Rising Sun Avenue, I vote yes. Thomas Holloman, my vote is yes. James Snell, my vote is yes.

Similar wording

Ishmael Shaheed my vote is yes. Mr. Allen you have your votes. Thank you very much. Okay

Similar wording

we're going to go to number one on our list. MI 2022 003 769 10206 Busselton Avenue.

Similar wording

Alexander Barth is the attorney. There's a letter of support from Somerset Civic Association.

Similar wording

And also letters of non-opposition from adjacent neighbors at 10204 and 10208 Busselton Avenue.

Similar wording