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ZBA Hearing - April 9, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Apr 9, 20255h 27m

Maps of the area, photographs of the property, interior photos showing the work that she's done,

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our plans and drawings, our RCO meeting notice, and we'll have another meeting hopefully in the

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future, our applications for special exception, the deed to the property showing that her company

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also lavish real estate LLCs, the owner of the property, and the certificate of tax clearance.

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So notice of referral. Again, this is an RSA 3 property. We're seeking to use this property by

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way of the doctrine of unity of use, not out of character for this property or properties

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or the surrounding area.

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But we have one referral given that we're seeking a personal care home.

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As you can see here, there is a history of this property being used in such a manner.

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We did meet with the Oak Lane Worcester Community Coalition on March 27th.

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They didn't take a vote.

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Two of the members nearby had some concerns about this proposal, and the rest of the audience wanted more information.

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We stated because of the docketing and how long it takes to get in front of this board, we asked as a combination, let us present.

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We would ask that the board hold this for a vote.

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We would like to go back to the community and then have them give input, hopefully updated input, based on that presentation for us to respond.

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We did, again, have someone who circulated a petition of the affected properties, according to the City Planning Commission's list. These are the individuals who signed it. They specifically gave email addresses and phone numbers, which I don't know if Mr. Richardson reached out to these individuals, but these are the addresses that they signed at.

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and again the property history here also by way of variance this was a children's home

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it was the home for the saint joseph catholic home for the children many many years ago

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now i'm gonna have my client uh rashida kind of tell you a little bit about care nest

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so why don't you rashida why don't you tell the board about why could we swear

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Could you please state your name and spell for the court stenographer?

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Rashida Robinson, R-A-S-H-I-D-A-H, R-O-B-I-N-S-O-N.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Yes.

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Rashida, can you just tell the board a little bit of your background in this area of health care?

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I've been in health care for the most part of my life.

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I went to school to be a neurosurgeon, came out, started working in the pharmaceutical industry, and then about eight years ago, got into the entrepreneurial side.

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Give me just closer to the mic.

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That way.

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Okay.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Okay.

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In 2018, I started a home care agency, which led to a lot of phone calls about housing.

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Home care agencies only provide non-skilled home care.

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So I started to look more into the personal care home business, and out of that came CareNest Homes, which is a non-profit organization.

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What we do is we find we get different charitable donations to help seniors in our community.

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We are primarily located in Germantown.

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In 2023, I found this home on Brett and Fisher, and I thought this would be the perfect personal care home.

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That personal care home requires a certain acceptance.

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I met with Alan and we started the process. In the meantime, I fixed it up and made it nice and

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clean in preparation for, you know, it being a personal care home. So let's just backtrack a

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little. You stated that you had other locations for personal care homes. Where are those locations,

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specific addresses? Germantown, 147 East Walnut Lane and 5601 Chueavenham. Okay. Have you had

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any issues in terms of violations against those properties with the city? No, none at all. I work

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with PCA. I work with hospitals, nursing homes, clinics in the area. I get rave reviews. I have

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individuals that live with me from all walks of life. What about licensing requirements for the

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state? Have you had any issues in terms of licensing requirements for these other locations?

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These other locations are small, so they don't require a license.

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When you start to get into four or more, like this large home, this requires a license,

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more like this large home this requires a license which requires this process all right so why don't

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which requires this process.

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you tell us a little bit about this location what what what's your intention in terms of staffing

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this location has about 16 bedrooms it's a conjoined home so you can access the house on

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every single floor um it has an office it has kitchen it has two living rooms two dining rooms

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which are kind of conjoined my plan is to bring about 16 no more than 20 individuals into this

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so let's just walk through the floor plans and then we can also see the current photos of the

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property uh but like you know if you walk in there's two there's two doors right yes so this

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is the front of the house that faces broad street i believe okay and there's a foyer right yes so

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this is like a beautiful sun porch for the seniors to sit out and catch some sun. They have the

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emergency exit doors, but they won't use those. And then you have the, as you make your way to

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the back of the house, you have the two living rooms. You can enter through the north side or

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the south side. And then there's another space that says storage. We have like computers in there

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for them to kind of like, I mean, they don't really want to do a lot, but if they do want to

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get on a computer, they can get on a computer. And then you have the two dining rooms, which

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are conjoined where dining is like the main event for these individuals because they're older,

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they're ailing. A lot of them don't want to go to different programs. They just don't want to

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leave the house. So I've made dining, uh, like a pivotal part of their day. So they eat breakfast

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together, lunch and dinner. And of course my plan is to have like this long dining room area so that

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all of them can eat at the same time, which they do. And then if you make your way further back

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on the right hand side there's the kitchen on the left hand side is the office which is also

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would be like the main entry entry to the house which has a handicap accessible ramp that leads

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to fisher street behind that as a parking lot gotcha let me uh actually let me stop sharing

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for a second and make it so it's not full screen so i can kind of maneuver this a little better

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so and then how many uh is there any living in the basement okay there's uh we provide we do

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their laundry so there is a laundry room in the basement i did a washing machine and dryer set up

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back down there it was already one there i just put you know how long is this operating now no

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it's not no it's not yeah and so let's just go to the rest of the floor plans like on the upper

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floors right so there are how many bedrooms 16 between both houses okay so there's 16 bedrooms

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and how many occupants do you expect to have in those 16 bedrooms no more than 20 okay so you

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would basically have a one-to-one ratio for most of them there are some there are doubles in terms

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because of affordability and some people want others to be with as roommates right okay so i'm

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going to go full screen but let's look at the pictures of the property so these are current

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photos of the property right so um now did you get any permits for like these are new hardwood

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floors, right? And what else did you do to the property? So I did get a permit for a dumpster

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because I wanted all the floors ripped out. So we put new floors in, painting, furniture, as you

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can see, windows, hair and hair, the kitchen, and the bathroom. Did you update the plumbing or

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electrical? The one thing that was updated was the emergency fire alarm system, the hardwire fire

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alarm. The one they had there wasn't operable. So we did get a permit for that to run those wires

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to the house. All right. And did you get a permit for that work? Okay. So the only things that you

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got a permit for, or you got a permit for all the work that you needed to do? I got a permit for all

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meaning it was also referenced that you did some work on the sidewalk.

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Did you do that work?

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The gas, I like natural gas, especially for these older individuals.

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So they had a nice heating system there, so I had it redone, but PGW came out.

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Not sure if PGW pulled a permit, but what they did is they ripped the sidewalk up

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and ran new pipes from the front of Broad Street all the way to the front of the house.

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And, well, that's not.

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well that's not no that's not yours um they they ran brand new pipes they left them undone and then

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No, that's not yours.

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They ran a brand new...

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they said they would come back and pave them and they did they recently came back and paid them

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probably like a month ago all right but you you weren't in charge of that work that was okay now

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i i'm going to show the board this it's not out of character to have this type of use on north

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Broad Street. So we see two instances of similar type of use at 5224-26 North Broad Street,

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which is a personal care home. Also, 5230 North Broad Street is a home care agency.

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So here's a proof of posting for today's hearing. And this is North Carlisle Street to the left of

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the property and to the right of the property. Just to give you some context of where we are

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in the neighborhood, West Fishers Avenue to the left and right of the property. And then North

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broad street to the left and the right of the property wanted to also show you from carlisle

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because we go street to street from north broad street to carlisle there's a significant parking

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lot behind us so even though this is an rsa3 property this is more commercial in nature

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that's your parking lot that's our parking lot not that we need it um i don't think any of our

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you don't believe any of the clientele is going to be using that parking lot

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they don't drive yeah but but you have staff that may drive yes some of the home care aides

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that um come in to support them um they drive and they'll park in the park yeah can you explain

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like the staffing um that you're going to have for this facility so how many people are you

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going to have on staff so there are two site supervisors uh one being my mother and then

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there is I'm bringing in someone to cook like to prepare the food and then I'm also bringing in

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someone to clean the house and then for every it's not required by the state but for every senior I'm

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going to for every four seniors that live in a house I'll have one home care aid to support them

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the support is minimal because all these individuals have to be ambulatory they have to walk

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because they don't really get out I like them to walk they get their exercise that way so we do

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help them with like um you know just talking to them giving them social skills and services and

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if they need do need social services we work with their physicians their families a lot of them have

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social workers whether they're granted by the courts or their family members we work with them

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to get them operable and just to maintain and sustain their lives so given the size of this

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facility you will be regulated by the states yes yes so on top of potentially any type of zoning

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and building permits we would need, you would have other licensing requirements from the

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state?

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This is a whole process.

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So the state requires certain inspections, and then they will grant a license for the

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house.

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Plus certifications from you and your staff.

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Yes.

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And those certifications typically have to be annually renewed.

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Yes.

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It requires a lot of background checks, tuberculosis screening.

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For me, I have to provide them with my background and my education as the owner and director.

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And same thing with the caregivers.

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Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we don't miss anything here.

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We looked at the drawings.

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We have the RCO meeting notice, but we will have another meeting.

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And for record-keeping purposes, proof of mailing that notice.

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our applications for special exception, referral, project information form showing that my client's

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corporate entity owns the properties, the deed. And then I know that there was an issue with the

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tax clearance. We, for some reason, couldn't get on the OPA site for that property. I know we were

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working with Ms. Emerson on that, but given that we're asking for a vote anyway, we'll obviously

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bring an updated you know clearance certificate but we were our office was having having access

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uh accessing the city's website but legally we have met our burden for conditional uh approval

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here or permanent approval based on the special exception we we understand that you know community

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is always concerned about you know this type of personal care facilities um but you know my client

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is well-versed in this area she is very experienced she is she has a good track record and for all

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those reasons we respectfully request when we come back here that the board takes that into account

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whether or not we do have community support thank you okay questions from the board yeah i have a

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question um with the seniors um accessibility um this is a three-story building so you've got when

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you've got older adults that have difficulty walking, some, you know, with walkers and

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canes. How do you plan to address the accessibility? I didn't see an elevator or a lift in the

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How do you plan to address the accessibility? I didn't see an elevator or a lift

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in the plans, or is that something you're planning to do?

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Once I get the approval, I will be adding a chairlift to the south side of the building,

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and all my individuals that struggle over time, because they do struggle over time,

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the longer they're with us, the less they're capable of walking, they will be able to take

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the chairlift to the second floor. And again, you can cross over from one side of the house to the

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other from the second and third floor it won't go all the way up to the third because after a while

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when they get so old to the point that they can't walk and they become bed-ridden then

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Karen S. Holmes is no longer the best option for them now I did you mention a ramp from the rear

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but I didn't see a plan that showed the ramp is that existing or not yep there was yeah there's

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an existing ramp back there okay I just didn't see it on the plan okay I'll make sure I'll take

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yeah one week maybe it wasn't just i don't know all right also i guess from the parking

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night uh view picture is there outdoor space we right now it's just a parking lot right but i

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once i get an approval i said i was going to add like an outdoor like cabana for them to sit out

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because right now they have like you know i have picnic tables and stuff for them just to get out

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because a lot of them won't leave and i always talk about them getting their son so other questions

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yeah um i have a question about the sort of uh connection between the two units was that

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condition existing when you purchased the property yes and then did you do any interior demos

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of walls no well the kitchen the kitchen had some walls up that we kind of knocked down and put back

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up with sheetrock but i didn't they didn't remove any of the main beams or anything like that now

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Is there a long-term plan for the remaining spaces in the basement?

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No, I just, you know, a storage space.

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Because, you know, some of these individuals, they come, they leave, they leave clothes.

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So what we do is we store clothes and bins with their names on it and their size.

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So if other people come in, sometimes we get homeless individuals that are older,

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that need places to live, or individuals that their family just don't want them,

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don't want to be bothered.

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So we'll use those clothing to, you know, to provide to them.

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So just storage.

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and then are there any rooms for when like family comes to visit

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people or are they just using whatever public space already exists

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so you know the one one the plan that was that one room i think is

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noted computer room no it's not storage storage that particular room is like a

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nook right i put a air i'm putting a computer

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in there and a sofa and a fish tank for my individuals that like fish i mean

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it's common for them but that will be an area for the

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families okay and then some of the families they like to sit in their rooms you know and just talk

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to them so because they want that private time okay and will those family members then be using

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the parking lot to park or yes not likely so even though you're planning to put some kind of maybe

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other space there there will be room for visitors to park most definitely okay yeah it's a pretty

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I didn't spec it out, but that's a pretty significant parking lot size-wise.

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But never can be great outdoor space.

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