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ZBA Hearing - November 3, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 3, 20206h 16m

have we got the letter i am checking i haven't found it yet okay so let's proceed

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all right oh could i i'll share my screen please

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so uh this application regards 1421 east columbia avenue it's located slightly

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east of frankfort avenue it is actually the last portion of a large development repositioning

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project uh performed by roland cassis back in the day behind this area here is a tall

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warehouse that was converted into um residential here is driving down columbia avenue uh this

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these were the first houses built part of that uh project and then here is the building we're

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project, and then here is the building we're talking about today, 1421 East Columbia Avenue.

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talking about today, 1420.

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So back on April 26, 2018, we applied for and obtained a by-right zoning permit to construct

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this five-story building located in the IRMX Zoning District. On floors two through four

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are 16 single-family residential dwelling units. On floor one, we had approved a non-profit

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residential commercial slash industrial space as required by the IRMX at equal to or less

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equal to 50% of the floor area equates to about 1,266 square feet plus a five-car

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parking area in the rear. So we're really here to talk about this space here.

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So, as I mentioned, it's almost been three years, well, maybe two and a half years, as the project was being designed and developed.

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Our owner intended to have that space run out for commercial and industrial.

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He hired two brokers who worked on it for a long time and found that there was really no interest for a number of reasons.

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It's too small of a space.

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And as you'll see, going through these other pictures here, this block is really not conducive,

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at least right here, to any commercial or industrial.

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This is across the street.

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These are residential homes, of course, and here's a funeral home, and here's farther

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down the street.

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I want to take you to the site plan.

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And here's the area we're talking about right here.

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this little industrial area we had here for use here on columbia avenue so again as i mentioned

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marketed the property started construction at a certain point you have to make a decision what to

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do move forward still with no interest we decided to then file this application seeking use variance

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relief to put in one additional single family residential dwelling unit bringing the total up

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to 17. The refusal says 18, which would have meant that we were proposing two units here

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and that that is not the case. Here's the rendering is pretty close to what it looks

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like now and here's our refusal as I indicated by not providing the commercial or industrial

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use on that floor as I mentioned we did meet with Fishtown neighborhood association on

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October 13th. And despite, you know, all our marketing efforts, there's just no viable use

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for that. But yet the proposed use that we want to do here is to convert that space into a

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residential dwelling unit is within the character and the context of the area and will cause no

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adverse impacts on the public health, safety, welfare, or traffic. With that said, I'd like

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for you to allow Anuj, A-N-U-J, Koshla to enter, as well as Carl Amberger, who's our architect.

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So I could ask them some questions.

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Gentlemen, when I recognize you, would you please identify yourself,

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spell your first and last name, and I'll swear you in.

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I don't have those individuals with their hands up. I do have a Patel.

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Is that it?

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Shreed

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Patel? That's all I have.

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All right, Mr. Patterson.

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Yes. As an officer, the court will stipulate

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that your clients would adopt your question.

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And so we

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met with, I should say

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since I don't know if there's a letter from Fishtown, we did

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meet. It was generally accepted, understood

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the issues about, you know, how

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it would fit in with the block.

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There were a few persons, I'm not sure

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where they live had raised issues insinuating that this was planned, that this was some kind

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of nefarious scheme of ours or mine to never do the industrial commercial space. But that

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surely is not the case. We filed supplemental submissions explaining our position and the

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efforts that were done. And it's part of my record and my package. Again, you know.

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and it's part of my record and my package again you know we waited two years to make the decision

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and finally move forward so that's what I would have to say about that understood questions from

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the board no anyone would like to testify in this case if so please raise your hand

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Chair, I have a Sheree Patel

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Mr. or Mrs. Patel

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Ms. Patel or Mr.

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I'm sorry, this is actually a note to close

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I guess my computer

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because I was given a calendar link

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by my associate Sheree

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But I don't need to say anything.

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Just please give us your full name and spell it.

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Anuj Khosla, A-N-U-J, Khosla, K-H-O-S-L-A.

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And you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, sir.

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If I may, I'll just ask him to certify.

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Anuj, you heard my testimony, which you agree it is true and accurate and you would adopt it?

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Yes.

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Yours?

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Okay, thank you.

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Anything else to add to what I mentioned about your marketing?

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No.

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Okay.

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Anyone else?

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Here, I have Andrew Miller.

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You're going to mute yourself and be sworn in?

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Good afternoon, Mr. Miller.

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Please identify yourself for the record.

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Yes, my name is Andrew Miller, N-D-R-E-W-M-I-L-L-E-R.

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My address is 1405 East Columbia Avenue here in Philadelphia, just down the block in this property.

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Thank you.

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Swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed.

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Just a couple things I wanted to say.

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I'm disappointed that the FNA did not send a letter because there was quite a bit of discussion of this at that meeting.

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um as as uh mr patterson alluded to a little bit there was some discussion as to when the decision

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to pivot from the industrial use of that first floor space to doing it residential was made

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um as well as the the issue how the issue of the by right a building it relates to all of this

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one of the concerns raised that they were only given they were only by right able to build as

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high as they were because of the commercial industrial space on the first floor and if it

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were 100 residential there would have been different requirements there was also later in

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the meeting can i interject that is not true opposite that is not true ron let him finish

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okay thank you sorry um so so that was that was that was stated early early in the meeting right

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towards the end of the meeting the opposite was said i don't know i don't know where the rules

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of by right are so i'm i'm not an authority on that um but so that that issue was raised um the

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i know that there were some photos that were given to uh the fishtown neighborhood association

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that that were i would was assuming was going to be part of the letter they were sending to you

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um there was framing done i believe it was i believe the picture was from june 3rd

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uh and you could see that the framing was already being done as resident i'm going to

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object to the relevance of interior interior framing and we can address that sustained thank

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you

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mr miller yeah so so so i my main point i guess is is the clarification of the by right

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issue whether whether their their height variance would have been required for a 100 residential

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building or if because at the meeting it was unclear what the the details of that by right

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characteristic is okay thank you uh mr patterson yes so it was a by right meaning that it conforms

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with all the dimensional requirements

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of the IRMX zoning district.

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Yes, you are entitled to seek a height bonus

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if you add in larger spaces on the first floor.

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We chose not to add a larger space

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and we did not seek nor did we need a height bonus.

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I'm confused by, I just don't understand

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how that relates to the differential

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between the industrial use and the residential use.

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If this building was 100% residential when it was initially proposed, would it have needed

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would it have needed a height variance for it no that's what i just said no that's that's what

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a height variance for it?

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No, that's what I just said.

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No, that's what he said.

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he's saying was by right no iphone i i'm sorry i didn't understand that those details no problem

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it was a by right okay thank you anyone else no more hands thank you planning commission

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good afternoon board peter bernard for the planning commission

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this property is indicated for industrial mixed use in the comprehensive plan

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This block is largely residential, and we do not feel the proposal will have a negative impact on the surrounding area.

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Accordingly, we have no objection to the granting of the variance.

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Thank you. MI 2020-001515. 1421 East Columbia Avenue. My vote is yes. There's no revised plans, are they, Ron?

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No, just to add that it's a total of 17 units, not 18.

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Right. My vote is yes, with the proviso, maximum 17 units.

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Correct.

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Yes, with proviso.

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Yes, with proviso.

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Yes, with proviso.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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MI 2020-000302-15002 Endicott Street.

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A.

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I'm here, I'm promoting Xin Jin.

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Good afternoon.

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Mr. Jin, I believe we swore you in earlier today?

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Yes.

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You're still under oath.

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Please identify yourself with the record.

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Thank you.

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Xin Jin, Z-H-E-N, last name J-I-N,

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1617 John F. Kennedy Boulevard, Suite 1838,

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Philadelphia PA 19103.

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Here on behalf of the applicant,

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the applicant is a tenant at this location. Mr. Jinn you agree to wait to read in of its refusal

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and stipulate to its accuracy? I do. Also have you emailed an exhibit packet with the required

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documents, proof of ownership, proof of tax compliance, copy of the refusal, photos and

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plans five days prior to this hearing? I have. Have you met with the RCO and have a letter?

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I do. Thank you. Please proceed. Excuse me this is Sharon Stiletta if I can interrupt for one

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minute. We also have a letter from Councilman O'Neill who wrote that he is not opposed so long

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as indoor seating is removed and industrial use be exclusive to baking. I'm not sure how this

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proviso would work given that it's an application for a sit-down restaurant, but Mr. Jin can explain

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that. I'll try to clarify in my presentation. I'm going to share with the board my exhibit packet.

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So, in this exhibit packet, there is the refusal, we have both a letter from Somerton Civic

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Association as well as the letter from Councilman Brian O'Neill's office, photos, plans, tax

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turns, again, my client is a lease tenant, the deed, application, PIF, and the calendar

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hearing.

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The refusal itself is a little bit confusing because the way the examiner refused everything, what this application is, is for a bakery.

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My client wants to use the CMX1 space, which is actually part of four total spaces.

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It's one of the spaces within that.

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as essentially a specialty bakery. She and her husband both are trained as bakers and savory

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cooks. And this is going to be a specialty bakery utilizing their own ingredients, their own formulas

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and their own menu. So it was refused because in the way the plans were presented, my client

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indicated that they would have a space of about 800, not 100 square feet total, but that they are

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looking to have the baking section here, a counter for over-the-counter takeout, and a small seating

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area where the vacant area is shown here. When we explain to the community, my client's vision is

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that for breakfast time there would be warm pastries and bakeries don't not necessarily

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donuts actually something much more specialized in that but warm pastries available to people

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that may want to buy it at the counter but sit down to eat it one of the biggest concerns for

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the neighborhood is that they fought and obtained a decision against the sit-down restaurant in the

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past. And their biggest fear is that because sit-down restaurant was mentioned in this refusal

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that this will open the door to future use by another tenant who will come in and put

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a sit-down restaurant in the space. My client is only looking for bakery. Anything that she is

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My client is only looking for bakery.

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Anything that she is going to have relating to the, quote, restaurant use under the code would still want to be limited to bakery and baking goods.

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don't

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I don't know if that's something we can work on provisal to limit the overall use to bakery.

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The limited industrial also is raised by the examiner because she is making the bakery products on site.

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So that is considered a limited industrial use because you're making something on site, even if it is just cooking bakery goods.

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I can show you the photographs to better show the space.

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So this is actually for what is commercial nature spaces that's always been commercially used at the corner of Southampton Road and Indicott.

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My client is only getting one of the spaces here.

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We agreed also to remove this old rooftop sign that is not part of this application.

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So it's a space.

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Did we have this case with this property once before?

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