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ZBA Hearing - October 21, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 21, 20206h 33m

driveway easement for those. The homes are three stories in height, brick facades with

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a man-sided roof, going over the lands, three-bedroom, three-bathroom houses, roughly 2,400

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square feet, living space in the basement, like medium room, living, dining, kitchen on the first

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floor, two bedrooms on the second floor with a bathroom, and then master suite level on the

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third floor with a pilot house and accessory roof deck. The houses are 16 feet 6 in width,

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depth, which is the lot dimension, by a total of 35 feet 3 inches in depth.

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uh looking at the elevation of the homes uh originally

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the frozen

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we had these homes at sorry about that

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I was just saying originally we had these buildings at 36.6.

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We met with the community to move them down, so they're currently at 35.6 in height under

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the 38 feet threshold, trying to minimize impacts on the neighboring buildings.

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Just going over some of the things that were important to the community that we addressed

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and things that we did specifically to minimize impacts on the neighbors we actually pushed these

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houses back three feet from the front property line and this was really to give some extra relief

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to the street frontage for pedestrians as well as added in a three-foot furnishing like grass zone

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against the curb as well as a total of eight street trees along the facade so you can kind

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see just something something that was very convenient community was having a little bit

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more green infrastructure and just a little bit of a greener aspect in the pedestrians going forward

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we also revised the facade a few times looking at creating more of a community kind of stoop

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porch feel at the front facades we went to a more traditional red brick which fits into the community

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as well as sloped back these roofs

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from where we initially submitted as well,

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again, to minimize impacts on the street feel on the block.

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We also revised the Meehan Street side as well,

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similarly to the Pleasant Street side,

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creating a front porch on the front of the house

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to kind of match the adjacent structures.

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as well as matching up the the cornice lines with the existing houses on the block and again

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wrapping these materials back through the drive aisle creating two faces of the brick facades

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and continuing the roof line to give a more attractive appearance to pedestrians and also for

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the residents of these homes driving to the rear of the houses.

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other things that just to note that were addressed from the community's meetings and standpoint

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there was a large concern about flooding in this area so the developers have

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committed to doing impervious saving material through the parking area

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um and also at this uh yard space back here uh again just to minimize as much

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potential impervious uh paving which which was a concern of the community

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uh rachel is there anything else you'd like me to go over with the design specifically

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um no i think it's just worth mentioning to just circle back to the refusal that we bring up

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the sizes of the lots so that we can show that the whole goal of this was instead of providing

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six large homes that don't really fit in with this block in particular, that nine smaller single

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family homes to keep a more affordable price point and lots that are in line with the existing

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uh block was the idea behind this and then obviously we wanted to address sort of the

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block was the idea behind this. And then obviously we wanted to address

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design considerations that were important to the community so um we kind of took that that extra

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step um to sort of make sure that we were able to cover some of that so um if you unshare your

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screen i will share mine to show the lot sizes and then um can go through the community part

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okay so here we put together a chart um just to show um so 109 through 121 um there are actually

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only three lots right now a total of i think 11 800 square feet something like that um and we

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instead, again, are creating 11,868 square feet. Instead, we're proposing nine single-family homes

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with these lot sizes, 1246, 1201, and you can see sort of the rest, all within 1189 to 1246

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square feet. As you can see from the chart, we pulled every other property on our side of the

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block. And as you can see, we sort of are right in the middle, if not closer to the bigger end of

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what's provided on the block. We have, you know, 1026, 994, 2146 is the largest, I think that's on

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the corner, 1207, you know, and as the board can see, we're sort of right in the middle there. So,

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and the community had expressed, you know, interest in smaller homes. And in addition,

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again, we tried to lower the height of the buildings from 38 feet and some other

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thoughtful considerations um you know in order to address those concerns so i'm happy to sort of

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um and also just so the board's aware we did provide revised plans to the board as well so

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with the proviso form so i want to make sure that that that gets included as well uh brandon i don't

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know if i forgot anything or you want to add anything um before we kind of move on to the

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community portion sure just a few quick items i promise not to talk about the definition of

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attached building anymore um so um just on the areas front um just want to add that what the

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design uh sort of grew from here was working with the existing lot depths and then trying to conform

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the widths to match exactly what's around them i think we're at 16 and a half feet width uh per

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property or thereabouts um if you conformed with the code it would require much larger widths than

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anything around us and this is a row home neighborhood so it just it would be out of

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context they'd be very large houses um did just want to provide quick hardship explanations for

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um the two um refusals that we did not stip to in the event that the board finds that they were

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correctly issued the hardship we would float regarding the rear yard depth requirement is

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simply that to accommodate a rear yard that some of which is essentially grass not at all dedicated

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to parking you would move the space the parking area closer to the rear of that building on 106

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mehan which could be done but it would make the the driver pulling out of that space into the

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shared driveway have to do so closer to the curb cut on mehan avenue so putting the parking space

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in the far rear of that property really creates less conflict between people entering the driveway

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from the street and the owner of that home pulling out of their space with regard to the

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side yard with we could have avoided that refusal by placing the driveway um into a curb cut on

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pleasant rather than mehan but there is an existing curb cut on mehan there are other curb cuts on

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mehan um and um there are no curb cuts to my knowledge on pleasant street um so with the

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existing curb cut across the street on Meehan and a few others, that seemed to be the more natural

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choice. I think that's all I wanted to add. Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta. I just wanted to say

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that if you are asking the board to independently rule on your challenges to the refusals, this will

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have to be continued and resumed at another time when the law, someone from the law department can

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come in and present their side of it. Yeah, no, we're just not stipulating to them. Sure, that's fine.

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Yeah. No, we're just not stipulating to them. Sure. Yeah. And just keeping that on the record,

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but yeah, no, thank you. Happy to take any questions. We did meet with the community

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and we have a letter of, I think, opposition, but it wasn't, let me pull it up.

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Mostly was relating to wanting a lot of open space and design features that we had already

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addressed or tried to address concerns about traffic and things of that nature, I believe

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we provided a letter to the board. It was, share my screen again so you can see it.

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So it was five in support of three near neighbors and 28 in opposition, 13 near neighbors,

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41 people in attendance and the letter kind of says they don't believe we have a hardship

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they think that the 106 mehan would permanently impair an adequate supply of light and air to

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the building however 106 mehan is only attached on the one side and then there's a dry vial and

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then a two-foot alleyway between the nearest property um could you could you enlarge counselor

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Can you enlarge that letter?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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If I can figure out how to do that, sure.

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Oh, is that better?

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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They believed the 12-foot driveway wasn't adequate for cars,

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although we did have it stamped off by the streets department.

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And again, if we provided a driveway all the way through to Pleasant Street, I think that

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that would not be the best way to modify the drive aisle.

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If the board is interested, Scott Kent, who designed this project, can certainly talk

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through that more proficiency than I can.

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They were worried about the Wingahawk sewer shed.

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However, you know, in order to address issues with flash, blood-prone areas, we have

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decided that we would increase the amount of impervious cover and make sure that some of it

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is pervious so that we can address some of those issues. I think the community is just used to

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having sort of this infill development there. So we were trying to help with the smaller size of

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the homes to address some of that in addition to reducing the height. We also are providing trees.

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another one of their concerns was environmental damage and the tree canopy. So we did add trees

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and again, we set the properties back from the front so that we could provide more landscaping.

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It's also worth noting as per the 2035 plan that this area is designated as a core growth area as

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it's like 600 feet away from Germantown Avenue and specifically suggests infill development

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in order to help strengthen the nearby commercial corridor. So we felt that all this was also

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aligned with that as well um happy to address any questions that the board may have or go into

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anything else uh in more detail if if relevant uh thank you can you hear me yep okay i had to leave

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and come back because i lost my ability to talk um any other questions from the board yes what

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percentage of the basement is in the ground say that again tom what percentage of the basement

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is in the ground scott do you know what percentage of the basement is underground

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uh yes i believe it's roughly 75 percent

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so we're uh raised off two feet six is the uh first floor level um and then there's an eight

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foot basement height the basement uh is really meant for accessory man cave media room um

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and then also just building utilities coming into the house as well thank you you um

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uh any other questions from the board

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and okay are there any is there anyone else who would like to

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participate in this hearing. If so, please raise your hand. Sure, I have Kelly O'Day.

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Tanya, before we go any further, do we have more than one hand? Do we know

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on this case? A billion. Yeah, that's what I figured. I didn't want to have to stop the flow

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of this to take a break because I assume the stenographer can use a break.

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So I'm asking the stenographer, does she need a break?

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So I'm asking the stenographer, does she need a break?

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I don't know.

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Or if you do, just let us know, please.

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Okay, that's fine.

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All right, because after this, we have one more hearing on the two o'clock list,

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and we will certainly take a break before we go into the 3.30 list.

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Okay, that's good.

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All right.

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Okay, thank you, Tanya.

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Kelly O'Day can be sworn in Chair.

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Hello this is Kelly O'Day. Hi Mr. O'Day please identify yourself spell your first and last name

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for the record and give us your address. The name is Kelly O'Day that's K-E-L-L-Y

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and the last name is O apostrophe D-A-Y. The address is 301 East Durham Street in Mount East

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man area philadelphia you swear to firm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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i do and where do you live in proximity to this application uh it's approximately five blocks away

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well out of the area um i am on the eastbound area zoning committee and i consider eastbound areas

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you know where i live you will with all due respect we appreciate that if you're speaking

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on behalf of the civic the RCO then you'll need an attorney no I'm speaking as a individual

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resident of East Mount Airy I understand that but you're well beyond uh the the uh allow the

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distance is what 250 feet I get it wrong all the time in your neighbors that's correct sir it is

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yes it's 250 or the same 100 block five blocks away yes that's correct

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you don't allow other neighbors no no we do but you're beyond

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charon can you want to help me chair he can speak as a representative of the rco it's only if the

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rco is the appellant in the case oh that's right i'm sorry i confuse it with the earlier i'm sorry

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mr oday i confuse it with the earlier case please proceed i'm sorry i am speaking as an individual

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Yes. Okay. You're fine. Yeah. I misspoke. My apologies.

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None taken. I do that all the time. I wonder if I could possibly share my screen. I have several

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photographs I think would help the board to understand the 106 million situation.

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Is that possible to share my screen?

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Anya? Sure. Give me one second.

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Thank you.

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well while Mr. O'Day is trying to uh share his screen is there anyone else maybe we can move on

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to the next person and come back to Mr. O'Day we have Charles Richardson from the council person's

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office thank you Mr. Richardson good afternoon good afternoon Mr. Chair uh Charles Richardson

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from the Office of Councilperson, Cindy Bass,

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Room 312, City Hall.

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You're still on the roof from this morning.

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Thank you.

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Councilwoman is supporting the RCO

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and the community on this and her opposition.

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Does not feel that there is a hardship here.

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By right, they could subdivide the lot into six

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as opposed to nine,

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and it looks like they're just trying to maximize

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the investment that they're trying to do, even though they might be trying to sugarcoat it in

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some shape, form, or fashion. It just is really trying to maximize an investment.

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Feel as though they have not proven that to be the case, and we are going to support the RCO in

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opposition. Thank you. Anyone else? Please raise your hand.

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we have nina curlett you can unmute yourself and wait to be some more name

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good afternoon miss curlett please identify yourself for the record name and address

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spell your name for the stenographer sure my name is nina curlett n-i-n-a-c-u-r-l-e-t-t

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i live at 236 east springer street oh there's kelly

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all right you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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all right you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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i do please proceed um i would like to make um a couple of points here and actually it is

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very much on um point with what charles richardson said um specifically when the community had their

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meeting there were many questions about what the actual hardship was because frankly most of the

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most of me and street is zoned rsa3 it's not even rsa5 the adjoining block to that is zoned rsa3

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and um the lots are actually much wider on me and alone so at some point someone on the chat said

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can you please explain the hardship you face which requires eight lots versus six and this is what

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Rachel Pritzker said. To address Brian's question, we are not arguing that we couldn't sell six

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bigger homes. We were just considering it might be a little better, a context, to provide smaller

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homes in conjunction to what's there. It's not about selling or not selling. That's not what

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this conversation is about. Can I jump in for a second? Your kind of context, first of all,

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you have to read through the whole on these zooms if you read through the whole chat to what brian

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