i don't know let me text uh because i know he was on for a while hold on a second um
lynn are you a party to this property
you can unmute yourself yes i am yes okay all right one more question alan before we get
looking at this diagram the dark lines at the bottom
uh looks like it's a door is that a doorway entrance is that a doorway there yeah right
there yes i i would ask i would ask mr chernak to answer the questions okay let's get him on
i'm on sir sir please spell your full name uh my full name is leonard chernak l-o-l-e-o-n-i-d
last name c-h-e-r-n-y-a-k and you swear for him to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing
about the truth i do i don't know if you heard my question uh looking at this uh floor plan
uh where the two cars would be parked moving up into the where you want to eliminate the garage
the garage door goes away i assume you're putting a window in there correct and next to the window
going from left to right is that a doorway correct leading into the area that you're
looking to expand that 10 by 15 or so yes what happens what what else does what else connects
to that front you that unit you're looking to add so so it was a basement basically garage and
storage areas right it's probably more like 20 by 20 if i if i had to guess um what it was
there was a garage there was one garage door that was closed off and there was another dummy door
and inside was like some illegal unit from 20 years ago when when the owner bought it all we
did but the owner was using the space for himself all that got gutted out and broken up and it was
basically made into one big room where the garages are so the first floor could use it and you could
get more rent basically there was an existing bathroom that's still there that's just getting
upgraded in the next room over i guess it was a studio i don't know what use it was for but you
could see we completely gutted everything it's not it's not it's no longer a a studio but will
Will there be a partition separating the area, what looks like the side entrance?
Is that a doorway entrance on the side?
There always was.
Yeah, there's steps going down.
I want to make sure that it is not an extra unit, a studio unit.
in no way, shape, or form.
In fact, it used to be a unit years ago
that the owner of the unit never used.
And he said to break it and extend the first unit.
Mr. Chairman, again, this unit,
this building's allowed for two units.
Our application is not changing.
That used to increase it.
We understand.
Again, they're basically saying
we're putting three units in here.
I understand what you're saying,
and they understand the concern of the community so what i'm getting at is how do we make i want
to make we'll put some proviso in there if we have to but i'm just curious when you make use
use of that garage area storage area for a living uh for living quarters a bedroom
of that garage area storage area for a living
that it is not being uh not going to be built with a bathroom in it in that portion and that
it is still accessible to the other floor the other part of that floor area if i'm making my
i don't know if i'm making myself clear because all you're showing is this open space you're not
showing any partition where that family room or whatever it's called again i can't read it it's
not print isn't big enough it's blurred uh if you can go with your cursor again to the where the
garage door right from all that area that whole big area all the way from there up right
you want to create another bedroom correct and if your cursor would go across
20 feet or whatever deep it will be no right so you're now creating another room right
that's correct which is which is which mr chanak said stated was like originally was not broken
up that will be broken up and inclusive within this unit that's why i want to make is there
access to this of this unit will there be access to this unit or is it a straight across wall
Mr. Chernak
I'm not understanding
I don't see anything you guys are talking about
As far as the cursor
My screen is black, I see your faces
So I'm a little confused
Mr. Chernak, the chairman's asking this
Will the bedroom that's going to be created
By utilizing the garage
Will that have direct access
Within unit number one
The ground floor unit
yes absolutely yes you're walking from the first unit you come down the stairs and you're inside
this room yeah so mr chairman we're not creating partitions where we're closing off this in any
ways it's just an extension of unit number one okay that one that's what i wanted to make clear
because we don't see all we see is the open space we don't see a diagram that shows where the bedroom
will be you know where the new bedroom will will be placed we know approximately where but we don't
mr chairman yes if if you look in the pictures i don't know if you because i can't see them
but if you took a look on the pictures of the open space that we sent to the community you see a
doorway if you walk through that doorway and walk up the steps you're in unit one yeah and actually
mr chairman it's actually in their letter the length of it if you if that we gave them pictures
we showed them interior photos of like you know because we have done some minimal minimal demolition
interior demolition work showing that it is going to be accessed through unit number one directly
on the side uh it's just a secondary exit in or entrance in the front of the property but we're
not like we're not creating a third unit i understand but when you look we don't have any
pictures we don't have anything to see other than that diagram you're providing us let's see
one could assume that that entrance that is to the right of where the existing garage door is
could be the entrance into a studio unit yeah i'm not saying it will be but that it could be again
because the diagram doesn't really specify uh any of the issues that i raised i mean i'm just
kind of flying you know mr chairman yes i just want to add another point there's a back door
to this so so there's there's already a separate space from the back existing back door into the
basement so if we were to do a unit we wouldn't need to add a front door you could just leave
the door in the back all right again the owner just yeah the owner just wanted the door yeah
I'm sorry for talking over you.
I apologize.
Again, we don't have enough.
We don't see it.
And maybe I'm wrong, but I just see this one big space.
And we're being told that there's going to be a portion of that space that will create a third bedroom.
And then I see a doorway leading into that bedroom from where the driveway is or the car point.
yeah well and and mr chairman maybe this is my fault again i i think that this is a very
straightforward you know request and and the refusal has nothing to do with the interior space
like the refusal has to do with the with the parking you know that's why you know i understand
that i understand and maybe that's my understanding the community's concern that it could potentially
could be and i'm not saying your client's going to do but it could potentially have been created
could be and i'm not saying your client's going to do but it could potentially have been created
because you could be creating a third unit a studio unit and my client understands that and
we indicated that if my client or some subsequent owner tried to do that i i can almost guarantee
that the neighboring property owners would call lni and then we would have a violation because
we're out we're outside the bounds of allowing for two units understood i just okay i'm sorry
to take up so much time i have any questions from the board no no all right um anyone else
wish to testify in this case if so please raise your hand no hands at this time planning commission
Good morning, David Fecto, City Planning Commission. Mr. Chairman and members of the
board, this property is indicated for residential two-family use on the city's comprehensive plan.
The applicant already has access to off-street garage parking. We do not believe that there
is any hardship to justify this variance. Accordingly, we recommend that this variance
not be granted. Repeat that again, David. It's zoned for two-family dwelling. Sorry.
As indicated for two-family dwelling, the applicant already has access to off-street
garage parking.
We do not believe there is any hardship to justify this variance.
Accordingly, we recommend this variance not be granted.
All right.
I'm getting old for this job.
Calendar number MI, and correct me if I'm wrong, Carol.
calendar number mi2020-0000500 that's correct 277 nadian n-a-n-d-i-a-n place
my vote is yes with the proviso maximum two units no separate dwelling unit
my vote is yes with proviso
yes with proviso yes with proviso thank you
calendar number 38980 the address is 4544 green street
i don't have an attorney listed with this we don't have any hands up for this one if there's
someone for this case raise your hand you can move on no one responded no one so i i'm trying
remember do we still dismiss or did we change no we're going to do a continuance if i could request
right okay and after the next listing of dismissal okay calendar number 38980
4544 green street is continued thank you tanya calendar number i'm going to go back to the middle
numbers calendar number mi202000029 the address is 5405 christian street
i don't have an attorney listed here
we have kyle samson uh who would like to continue to speak to this case
yes hello mr chairman yes you're still under oath mr sampson please proceed yes i contacted
the councilman gautier's office andrew goodman and he issued the uh request for a
request for continuance however the lawyer told me that he would be available at 11 30 he was in
a court zoom and it appears that he is not available at this point he's ready he just
sent me a text message and he's ready okay if he can get on okay I need him to raise his hand
you said he's ready to proceed now Mr. Simpson yes he is ready to proceed now he just sent me
a message so do you want to call the next case then come back to him to this one is that the
last case carol we have two more well let's do the other ones and we'll come we'll do this one last
okay great okay calendar number mi 2020-00
2 0 2 0 dash oh oh oh oh six six sixty four one five harbison avenue
tanya i don't know if james murray is an attorney
car what's that calendar number again zero zero zero
2-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-6-6.
These numbers are so small.
They're four zeros.
Is someone here for 6415 Harbison?
If so, raise your hand.
No hands.
Is that 6401?
6415 Harbison Avenue.
I'm sorry.
All right. No one's here. Calendar number MI-2020-000066. 6415 Harbison Avenues continue.
We also have no exhibits for that. The next case is
calendar number mi2020-001055 911 north 26th street the attorney is alan knockinson
where are you at carol what number is that that is it appears to be number 16
it's the one right after harbison avenue on my paper
that's at two o'clock
okay strike that we're done oh no we're not we have to go back to
5405 christian street christian or green no it's christian i don't see the attorney as of yet
now let's give them a couple more minutes
Mr. Sampson
Kyle Sampson
oh yes the attorney says he's on george gossett is on he said
mr gossett go ahead frank yeah yeah i'm sorry i'm waiting it makes i don't see him up there yet
i don't see his name yet
Yeah, I'm not sure what Zoom meeting he's at, but we don't see him on this one.
Tanya, would it be okay if we put this on the two o'clock list?
If we can't get Mr. Gossett in the next couple of minutes?
sure that would be fine chair let's just give them a couple more minutes
might be having technical issues
and we can put it even here as the first case at two o'clock
all right let's do that we'll put them on the first case two o'clock
okay so mr sampson if you could reach out to mr gossett and you can have him contact us
or if you can let him know we can hear his case at 2 p.m this afternoon very well thank you very
thank you kindly okay cheered us all the business any no unfinished business tanya no sir good okay
everyone we'll see everyone back at two o'clock thank you i'm sorry i'm sorry um we just had a
pop-up mary jones has raised her hand okay you would allow yep miss jones you're still under earth
um hi um just a question what happened with 1740 north marshall was that one of the ones
that was continued there were a few at the beginning that i didn't get the address for
Carol, you have the list. I think it is, but I don't have the list in front of me.
I do have the list. Some help Marshall.
Marshall, it was continued, but for future reference, you can ask that question in the Q&A, and we can respond to staff.
It was continued, but for future reference.
It was continued.
Thanks, Tanya.
You're welcome.
Everyone, see you back at 2 o'clock. Thank you.
yeah my wife got my printer working so took a little longer than I expected
ah see that nice person yeah she gets paid well
I assume we're I assume we're all ready
if there's anyone who's not ready say something now I'll forever hold your tongue
ready or not here I come oh god um excuse me this is Sharon can I just confirm that you've
the email with the first the three things that you're going to start with yes yes yep okay this