But there is a limit on the administration costs? MS. McCULLOUGH: Correct.
Okay. With regard to the request for -- similar to the NTI budgets and the analysis of how each of the districts is affected by the Year 28 Consolidated Plan, how long do you think it would take to put that together? MS. McCULLOUGH: Oh, this is for the current budget looking -- I mean, what's been budgeted? 106 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285
Right. MS. McCULLOUGH: Oh, we could have that for you next week.
Okay. There was some discussion yesterday, and there was some discussion last year, about the cycle of when this all comes upon us, and that there was, again, apparently a tremendous history to this. I don't know all the history, but that we start -- well, we say we're going to have the money as of the fiscal year, that the money actually was allocated -- refresh my memory -- in January? MS. McCULLOUGH: The money that we are currently reviewing -- for which we're currently reviewing the budget is a part of the federal fiscal year that started last October.
'01. MS. McCULLOUGH: Yes. So we could -- we could change our community development block grant year to either mirror that, which, I have to say, HUD does not usually recommend because the federal funds aren't always available on the first 107 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 day of the federal fiscal year.
Right. MS. McCULLOUGH: Or we could change it, as was discussed last year, to start January 1st, and that would give us that time between October 1st and January 1st to have these hearings to get our budget together and so forth.
Right. MS. McCULLOUGH: And then we could begin to draw down federal funds on January 1st.
Right, okay. I mean, has that discussion gone anywhere or are we looking to do that? Are there pluses or minuses to that? Are we just going to keep doing what we've been doing? MS. McCULLOUGH: At this time last year, there was a lot of discussion with the City's Finance Department of this proposal last year, and there were some administrative barriers that the Finance Department discussed that would make it difficult for us to be on a different schedule than the City's fiscal year.
Okay, so we're not -- I mean, that's pretty much the end of that 108 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 discussion, okay. MS. McCULLOUGH: Right.
Okay, then we don't need to talk about it anymore, okay. Ms. Smith, let me just ask you lastly, with regard to the discussion we had earlier about curbs, sidewalks, driveways, retaining walls, and the prospect of putting some dollars aside to deal with that while we work on some of the mechanics, do you think you will be able to put together an amendment on a timely basis?
Thank you. I just wanted to go back over to the basic systems repair program again. MS. McCULLOUGH: Mm-hmm.
How much money is set aside for the regular basic systems repair, aside from the $2 million you put aside for the targeted area? 109 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 MS. McCULLOUGH: That $2 million that was discussed today, that's new NTI funds, so that's separate from the community development block grant budget.
So the community development block grant dollars will still be citywide based on income? MS. McCULLOUGH: Correct. What's being proposed are two different things: There's our budget of 7.3 million for Tier 2.
Okay. MS. McCULLOUGH: And then, if you will, the standard program. And then what's being suggested today is an additional $2 million in NTI bond proceeds that would be for this so sort of targeted initiative and would increase the income level for eligibility a little bit. Pat just asked me what the Tier budget is. That's 3 million of state funds and then $700,000 for the heater hotline. So it's 3.7 for Tier 1.
3.7, okay. 110 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 So, Pat, on your 2 million for the NTI, would -- could an individual call for your program, or would it have to go through an organization something like It's Your Turn?
We have to figure out how we would deliver those resources and the mechanism, I mean, because it's to be modeled in terms of principles, like a basic system repair, but we haven't done the design development work. So do you have them apply, you know, through another agency, do they come to government, do they go to PHDC? I mean, we're just putting that forward as a strategy. And that doesn't necessarily mean for the whole thing; there is a proposal that someone submitted where they would want to do, you know, It's Your Turn in some other neighborhoods. But that wouldn't service, you know, everyone 'cause it's CDC, you know, tied to CDC. So we haven't designed it yet. I mean, this is an idea -- and that was one of our challenges with this year. I think there's opportunities and ideas as we continue to go through the planning processes for communities that 111 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 for new programs or delivering program resources differently. And getting that up and running is something, you know, that we'll have to take this summer and the early part of fall to get into place. And with really ideas and suggestions as to how that might operate, we would welcome that.
Well, in your thinking and discussion, I hope that -- you know, these districts are very large, and we service about 152,000 people, and that we don't end up -- well, if there's one It's Your Turn in the 9th Councilmatic District, which operates on the west side of Broad Street, someone from the 9th District on the east side of Broad Street we turn down because if they came up with an idea for a program, well, there's already one in the 9th District 'cause you have to think broader than just the district; you have to think in terms of neighborhood and location and that kind of thing.
And that's the type of thing that I hope that we can have more dialogue about. I mean, you know, just to say we're putting it there as a placeholder, we heard the concerns about, you know, the income. And so now it's 112 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 figuring out how you craft the program, how does it work, how do you address those issues.
The other thing is, if someone, say, in the It's Your Turn targeted area is not a part of that program, hopefully they would not be turned down by the regular basic system program if they meet the guidelines.
Yeah, they could still -- MS. McCULLOUGH: If they're eligible under BSRP, they would be eligible under BSRP; it doesn't matter if the family happens to live in the It's Your Turn target area.
Okay. We were talking about -- I just really have one question. I've tried to figure out, looking at this NTI budget, at the end of the day, what resources will come to the 9th Councilmatic District, 'cause I've seen demolition, acquisition, $50,000, vacant property stabilization, and stabilized proposition for expanded HPR, home repair program, which comes to $1,125,000.
One of the challenges on some of the programs, what we call "customer-driven," or in that instance, it would be 113 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 developer-driven, it's where, you know, a developer picks up properties and applies for the HRP program. So that's one of the challenges of breaking it out by Council District. One of the things that we're hoping is that, you know, by expanding it to other CDCs, you know, like resources for human development, other people will start doing programs, you know, accessing that program. And then the other thing that we're, you know, trying to do is we're saying if we have the encapsulated properties and we know which ones we're doing in each Council District, that we take those and, as Herb explained it, maybe put those out as an RFP and then maybe we can do other strategies to get people to pick up those properties. And we can kind of project, you know, going forward at $25,000, you know, per property, if a developer comes forward, that represents just the public subsidy. But some of the programs don't lend themselves easily to kind of breaking out a dollar amount. 114 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285
Now, are you telling me that these 50 properties that are designated in the 9th Councilmatic District are --
No, no, no. That's what we're, you know, putting as the budget numbers. So if we stabilize 50 properties, we want to show that 50 properties will be -- we want to have enough money to acquire them, and we would want to make sure we have resources, that someone comes forward with a moderate rehab program, but we still need somebody to come forward and say, "We're willing to rehab this program under HRP."
Okay. I recently, a few months ago, gave a memo to Joyce as well as to, I think we may have sent you a copy, as well as to the Mayor of an assessment of what we see the needs are in the 9th Councilmatic District. Have you seen that?
Yes, I have, and I don't think I have it with me so I don't quite recall all of the details. I do remember there were some 115 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 issues around the Logan Triangle and the urban renewal area.
I guess my question is -- and it's very little money, when you look at the overall amount of money that you will have. How can I look at your program and a community development block grant and find out if any of that stuff is going to get done?
I think probably the best way is for us to sit down and look at it and say, These are the needs, these are the resources there, and make sure that they hook up. I think that would be one way we could go about that. And I don't remember -- other than that one issue, I don't remember all the details.
And I do think that we were asked by the City Planning department to come up with a planning area, a targeted area.
Some suggested planning areas, candidate planning areas. 116 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285
Right, right, right. But that doesn't mean that we have to commit all of our resources to that area.
No, no. As we talked about on a number of occasions, that the planning area is not the only place where resources from the City will be spent. What it is saying is that this is the area we're going to focus in on and try to do comprehensive written plans; and if there's existing plans, taking a new look at them, updating them, coming up with some action items out of them. But there's other, you know, ongoing things that happen, you know, outside of those planning areas. And then these aren't the only ones forever; these were the suggested ones, you know, the starting-year one. Did we want to, you know, have conversations saying, Where do we go next and where do we go next for each year? But there's this commitment to, you know, doing community-based planning throughout the City, either supporting and facilitating the work of current plans or helping, you know, create new ones.
I think I only 117 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 have one more question 'cause Michael asked all of them. On , I believe, of this OHCD, the program book, you talk about a -- this was my question yesterday, and I had to leave and I don't know if it's in here. Someplace, you have a acquisition zone. Is that you or NTI?
There was NTI under land bank. It's under land assembly, land acquisitions. That's probably on .
I'm not sure. That was my question yesterday. I'm not sure that it's this page. I have . Where is ?
At the bottom, you say you say, Acquire an additional 5 million in land within delineated acquisition zones.
And Logan is in that acquisition loan. Would you explain that to me?
Yes. One of things, as a result of, you know, the urban renewal area, the reason why we're creating that urban renewal area is that we also want to fund and begin to consolidate and aggregate title in that lower part of the triangle, so that means that this will -- and the reason is, there's already cleared land, and we understand that there's development interest in that area, and the thing that has held us back in the past is not having enough resources to consolidate title so that you can begin to market or review development proposals. So that's an example of an acquisition zone where we want to try to take in a lot. We already have lots of vacant properties in areas east of Broad, and most of it's cleared, you know, and maybe some of it still has some vacant houses. Can we start looking at areas where we can get some economy of scale. So that was cited as an example of what we would consider an acquisition zone. 119 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285
Okay, I think I'm finished, I don't know. I do think the CLIP Program -- I know it's not under your jurisdiction, but I think the CLIP Program could also fit into areas such as the lower part of the Northeast.
The Lawncrest and Olney area. So we'll be talking about that.
Yes, very much so. And out of the planning process, that may be a priority activity for areas, 'cause I think that's one of the planning areas that people might say makes sense.
We're trying to schedule a date certain. We're checking with the Chief Clerk's Office. So can we just sit here a few minutes until we get a date certain for a hearing next week. 120 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 Councilwoman, just for clarification, in order to respond to the issues raised by some of the Councilmembers, we want to continue this hearing, but we need to do it to a date certain so that we maintain our guidelines. So we're just asking everybody to give us a few minutes more to schedule this hearing to a date certain next week so that -- 'cause you know our time is short since we need to report these out. So we're just asking if everybody can give us a few minutes more. (Break taken.) (Proceedings resume.) - - -
We can resume on the 4th at 11, or if it appears to be a long process, we can schedule them on the 6th. I will ask, what is your pleasure? We already have PGW and some other finance bills that we have to report out on the 4th. Is that all right? The 4th is a Tuesday, Tuesday at 11 o'clock? Then we will continue this finance hearing until June 4th at 11 o'clock at an already-scheduled finance hearing. Is that okay 121 5/29/02 FINANCE - BILL 020275, RES. 020285 with the members of the Administration? Thank you. Then we'll see everybody at a continuation on Tuesday the 4th, at 11. Thank you, everyone, for your patience and thank you for attending. (Committee proceedings end at 3:05 p.m.) - - - 122 CERTIFICATE I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing proceedings of the Council of the City of Philadelphia's meeting of the Committee on Finance of Wednesday, May 29, 2002, are contained fully and accurately in the stenographic notes taken by me, and that this is a true and correct transcript of same. _______________________________, Josephine Cardillo Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public (The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means, unless under the direct control and/or supervision of the certifying reporter.)