And there's also fluctuations throughout the school year as as the upper school students, the 12th grade students, if you will, beginning of the year, not as many of them are eligible to be driving cars.
and throughout the course of the school year that number increases from so that at the beginning of
the school year you're down around the 75 and then by the end of the school year you get up to around
125 so this is not something that is constant throughout the entire school year for number one
but also there in addition to the 351 off-street parking spaces there is also on-street parking
on the surrounding roads so the remaining uh student drivers who cannot find a space
on campus will be be looking for spaces on street correct so uh you would agree with me
given the fact that the proposal has uh for the timmons lot which is all my client is interested
in just the timmons lot the proposed timmons lot um that because it's would be essentially
cut off from the lower school, students or faculty, whoever may be parking in that lot,
if the lot is full, the traffic flow pattern would put them back on the Oak Road to find
a parking spot and use the pedestrian access way that's being proposed, correct?
And use the access, the pedestrian access way that's being proposed, correct?
No, not necessarily. Why? I don't understand how you describe that.
Well, I'll tell you what.
If I could, sorry to interrupt.
Go ahead. That's fine.
These are users that will be coming to and from the school day to day throughout the school year, wherever they are.
Obviously, schools and staff and teachers are probably parking in the same parking space throughout the school year. Visitors, that's an on-again, off-a-can type of thing. And the students, the ones that start the school year eligible to drive, they know where they're parking right off the bat.
They've got a large surplus generally to be able to find parking spaces. And then as the remaining students come online through eligibility, as they grow older and get their driver's license, they will find a parking space and then tend to park in that space throughout the remainder of the school year.
So I don't see how you get to the point where these drivers, these motorists, will be circulating around the school looking for a parking space.
Once they determine where is a good parking space the first couple of times they drive, they're going to go to that area the next time, and that's where they're going to park throughout the rest of the school year.
Are you aware of whether or not that lot will be restricted or designated for certain types of individuals, meaning either guests, employees, students? Is there any designation for this particular lot that you're aware of?
I'm not aware of any specific designation.
Okay. And once you leave...
Just to clarify, if I could clarify, we're talking about the Timmons lot?
Only the Timmons lot, correct.
Okay. Just wanted to make sure.
Yeah, no problem. You would agree with me if when you leave the bus lane, which is what's connected to the Timmins lot, you cannot turn right off Stokely. In fact, it requires you to turn left off Stokely, which would then have you flow through the Oak Road if you're circling around, correct?
Well, there's a restriction at Stokely and Coulter to send you out Stokely to Midvale, but that doesn't require you to go to the Oak Road. That is one path you could choose.
Would you agree with me that the fastest path would be to turn left on Midvale in order to find off-street parking that would be on the Oak Road, as opposed to circling back around on Midvale and going all the way around to the lower school parking lot?
That is one path that you can choose.
Is that the fastest path, would you say, if you're searching for a parking spot as school's beginning to start?
to where? I guess I fail to understand why somebody has to recirculate to a specific
location. If you're coming out of there, you could park on street at Stokely or Coulter.
You could go around the block on the Oak Road, as you suggest. You could also go the other
direction on Midvale. Perhaps there are spaces in the middle school lot, which is much closer
to the south. There are other opportunities out there for parking. Right. But the Timmons parking
lot is essentially cut off or it doesn't circulate too naturally to the lower school parking lot,
correct? They're not connected is what I'm getting at. That's correct. There is no connection between
the Timmons lot and the lower school lot. And just the final question is you had mentioned that
there's a access point currently off the Oak Road, which leads to the current Timmons lot.
Now, is the access that flows from that lot, does it flow to the lower school currently?
No, it accesses the Oak Road.
Correct. So in other words, vehicles are not accessing the school, the lower school through
the Oak Road and down
through the existing Timmins lot. Is that correct?
There's no connection between
the Oak Road
and the bus service lane
through the Timmins house lot,
if that's what you're asking.
That's all I have.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Miller.
Mr. Kelsey, you want to
call your next witness, please?
I will, and thank you,
Mr. Heinrich. I'm going to call
Brian Spray, please.
Okay. If he could be promoted. Thank you. Brian, I think you have to raise your virtual hand.
I'm in. Thank you. Hi, could you state your name and spell for the court reporter, please?
My name is Brian Spray, B-R-I-A-N-S-P-R-A-Y.
My name is Brian Spray, B-R-I-A-N-S-P.
Do you swear for him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
I do so swear.
Proceed.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Mr. Spray.
What is your professional designation?
Are you a civil engineer?
I hold a license in professional engineering, and I practice...
I've been practicing site civil engineering since 1998.
Since 1998.
Are you actively involved in the preparation of plans and the development of the Lower School and Timmons project that is before the Zoning Board today?
Yes, I am.
And how long have you been, have you or your firm been involved in the development of the master plan, including today's proceedings, on behalf of William Penn Charter, approximately?
Well, I have been working off and on on the William Penn site since January 2020.
That's also about the same time that CEC required Palron and Kalp.
And Butch Kalp has been working with William Penn for a very long time.
Are you actively familiar with the revised site plans and illustrations that have been presented to the Zoning Board today?
They're at Exhibit 6?
Yes, I am.
Were you personally involved with some aspects of the preparation of those plans?
Yes, I was.
Okay. So I want to focus your attention right now to Exhibit 9, which is on the screen. And I believe you prepared these documents. Is that correct?
That is correct.
And could you tell the board succinctly, what are we looking at here at Exhibit 9?
So what we did is we wanted to look back through historical aerial photography to see what the use of this area has been, you know, throughout the decades.
And what we pulled together here is you see what you're looking at, the sheet here is two aerial photographs, one from 1971 and one from 1973.
that shows the area of the proposed lower school being a I'll call it a soccer field because it
looks like there's soccer on either end but it could it's it's a play field it could be football
but it but you also see parking there off to the side so the area has been previously worked as
far back as the early 70s. As a note, we did download these from historical areas. There's
a reference down there at the bottom. Thank you. So these areas, just to sum up those pictures from
the 70s, indicate that there was disturbance affecting those portions of the property
going back to that time frame. Is that correct? That is correct. All right. Now on the screen
you'll see it's labeled 1996 aerial photograph. Briefly describe to the board what they're
looking at. So this is the first year that the Doody Fieldhouse, which is the building that we
are taking down to construct lower school appears on the historical photographs so you can see that
the play field soccer football field has been removed and it was replaced with this duny
field house it looks like the parking field it has been expanded from what you saw in the 70s
But it's still there. I would note, too, that just on the north part of that photo, that's where the Kirk Center is currently. And the parking, the play area, and the access drive is not there in 1996.
again is this evidence of uh disturbance of slope conditions based on a madman made man-made
condition um so what this shows is that this corner of the property in my opinion has been
worked and reworked over the over the decades um and uh so that uh the any slopes in this area
appear to be man-made or at least previously destroyed.
Thank you.
Let's go to the next slide, please.
Let's go to the next slide, please.
Mr. Spray, very quickly, I want to describe what this plan is showing.
So this is an existing features plan with the Dooney Fieldhouse highlighted in blue.
And no, that's the new AFC.
There you go.
There you go.
And so if you zoom in there a little bit, you can see that you have two shades.
One is a pink hatch and the other is called a peach hatch.
The pink hatch is our slopes that are 25% and greater.
And the peach hatch are 15 to 25% in working with the planning commission.
They asked for both of those to be designated.
um so what's interesting you know i can block these into three different areas very quickly
if you're looking at the duny field house um going from from easy to hard um you have the low
on the lower left uh you have um what looks like a bathtub uh that's that's it it's a stormwater
basin um stormwater basins don't occur naturally you know that was obviously man-made um going
straight up from there, you can see the Kurtz Center and back to the right of the Kurtz Center
is a play area, play equipment for swings and that sort of thing. And that represents some of
the other steep slopes would be disturbing. Those slopes start at the play field and go straight to
the road. If you go back to the 1996 aerial, you see none of that existed previously. So that all
had to be disturbed in order to construct the Kurtz Center and an access room. And then we go
to the right-hand side of the Duny Fieldhouse and you can see how the pink area there is triangular.
That kind of shape is not normally found in nature and piqued my interest when we first looked at it,
but then again you go back to the aerial photographs from the 70s and you realize that
that shape matches up to a rectangular field
that would have been in this area
and that would have been the fill slope.
No, Peter, Peter, Peter.
Mr. Kelson.
I think it'd be helpful if he would say where this border
so we know where he's at on the campus.
Is this the Jefferson University apartments border here?
Immediately below, on the bottom of the screen, yes.
Yeah, right.
Is that where the Jefferson apartments are?
immediately below the duty field house right is a property line what's on the opposite side of
that property to the best of your knowledge that is Jeff a property uh owned by Jeff person okay
fine okay I just wanted to make sure we know where we are that's all the right hand side
of the screen you'll see a roadway that is Coulter Street. Right okay and just to sum up Mr.
Spray if I could so Duny comes down other structural elements are removed and the lower
school is placed approximately in the location that we're looking at on this plan is that correct?
That is correct.
With no further disturbance of naturally occurring slope area, to the best of your knowledge?
Correct. As I mentioned, this whole area has been worked and reworked at least since the 70s.
Okay. Members of the board, if there are any questions about the slope condition, happy to answer them.
Otherwise, I have two quick questions about coverage, impervious, and code compliance.
With the same witness, Mr. Kelson?
Same witness, yes.
Mr. Miller, do you have any questions?
Thank you. Proceed, Mr. Kelson.
Very quickly. So, Mr. Spray, you notice that we're adding about 1.7% of impervious coverage as part of the application that is before the board today. Is that right?
That is correct.
And we currently have about 20.3% impervious coverage. Is that correct?
Correct.
So where is the additional, primarily, where is the additional impervious coverage coming from, that 1.7%?
So a significant portion of that is coming from the modifications to the insurance.
a significant portion of that is coming from the modifications to the entrance drive the
existing interest drive that to your screen here is off to the left
it has you can see three lanes where it comes into the site but it only has two as it exits on
the schoolhouse lane and so that needed to be widened and need to be widened per current code
which puts it as far as a 40-foot line.
And those modifications are reflected
in the proviso plans at Exhibit 6.
Is that right?
Let's go up to that for one second.
I want the board to be very clear
as to what we're doing
and what impact that has
with regard to the impervious.
You can go to the next sheet.
It shows it.
There we go.
So, you can see there the increase in the width of the incoming drive. There's also some parking improvements. That turnabout is already there, but you can see a significant chunk of the additional impervious surface goes to that roadway.
And in your opinion, the redesign of the roadway or the driveway off of Schoolhouse Lane will serve to improve traffic flow through the campus and to Schoolhouse Lane?
The intent of it is to assist with queuing. So that would, providing additional lanes for cars to queue, depending on which directions they want to go, will improve traffic flow.
Thank you. So in order to secure building permits and other related permits from the City of Philadelphia's Water Department, for example, do they have to agree and support the plan and the calculations that you're showing today in order to build it?
Yes, they will need, they have our approvals that we will need to get from them before we can move into construction.
And have you been involved with the water department as part of this project review at the city level?
Yes, I have.
And has the water department issued concept approval for the proposed development?
We're still working through concept approval, but they have issued approvals for the field house demolition.
Thank you. And in terms of the streets department, very simply, same situation.
They have to get their approval, both concept and technical, in order to secure building permits for the proposed development?
Correct.
In your expert opinion, will ultimately the design create any negative impact with regard to stormwater management?
No, it won't.
Will it create any negative impact from a civil engineering standpoint as a result of the reconfiguration of the driveway?
I do not believe so, no.