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ZBA Hearing - September 23, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Sep 23, 20205h 18m

and that there are some unique circumstances that really compel the granting of a variance.

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There are some unique circumstances that really compel the granting of a variance in this case.

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We're simply seeking to legalize a long-time existing duplex. Ms. Giannarelli is a first-time

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home buyer. She's not in real estate. She doesn't touch this stuff for money. She works as an

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executive with Microsoft. And when she was working as a first-time home buyer, she wanted to purchase

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a duplex so she could defray some of the cost of a mortgage by having a rental unit.

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Once she purchased the property, she did work with a realtor.

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The marketing for the property indicated that it was two separate units.

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And more importantly, when she walked through the property, it appeared to be two separate

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units.

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There's two separate entryways, two separate services, electrical service, water meter

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separate.

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There are, each unit has its own kitchen. It's a three-story building. Ms. Ginnarelli utilizes the downstairs unit as her, it's an owner-occupied property. It's her home. Upstairs is a second unit that's a rental unit.

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currently there is somebody uh living there who she rents to it's an employee that she has but

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long term uh she's going to need to legalize this unit for a number of reasons one uh so it can so

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she can rent it uh if it's not somebody she's friendly with like uh her current uh occupant

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uh she needs to be able to get a rental license because if she has a deadbeat up there she needs

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to be able to evict them and under the current rules of landlord tenant court you can't evict

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somebody without a proper rental license, which you can't get if she doesn't have a legal duplex

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in this case. Her downstairs unit is a split level unit. The upstairs unit is,

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well, it's upstairs. And I can show you some of the context photographs.

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Here we have new water meters. She put these in herself just because the property was old,

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needed some upgrades, actually a lot of upgrades. The ones she put in were purely aesthetic.

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She got, you know, I think a new fridge, a new stove, and some new water heaters. It's separately

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metered, as I mentioned before, and you can just see some of the, this is sort of the layout of

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the space. Over here, where I've got my cursor, is the second, is the entrance of the second unit,

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and each unit has its own kitchen, bathroom, etc. There's a strong legal argument. I think in this

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case, you know, the Hertzberg case recognizes that while typically, you know, a hardship applies

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to the land, but our courts have long recognized that a hardship can apply to a building itself,

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specifically when you're looking at trying to retrofit an existing structure to legalize it,

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to make something that is already there legally conforming with the code it is already there it

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is a duplex and it has been a duplex and i think it's important to note that we have a support

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letter from the owner of the adjacent property it's ron donatucci and his son own the next

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store property which is a multi-family property before i get to that i just want to note at

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exhibit six uh in our submission um we have uh the uh approved permits for both adjacent properties

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on either side both of those properties at uh are are multi-families on um on the north side

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of miss generale's property at 15 45 south 13th street there is an existing duplex that is legal

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and on the south side there is a multi-family property a five-family dwelling on the other

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side and then on the other side of that uh uh there's a pizza place um uh it's right there on

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south uh 13th street 13th street uh so we do have a support letter and i think it's important to note

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that uh mr donatucci uh he pointed out that is as long as he can remember uh miss the property that

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is now miss generelli's property was built out used as a duplex um and uh he said so to his

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knowledge and submitted this letter. He also acknowledges that for a first-time homeowner

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like Ms. Ginnarelli, it would create a substantial hardship to come in and have to basically gut the

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building if you wanted to take it back to a single-family home. It would be cost prohibitive,

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true undue hardship, and the value of doing something like that would far exceed

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um uh what uh probably the value of the property um another important note is uh is just this

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Another important note is just this issue of safety. In the long term, if Ms. Ginnarelli has a renter in the upstairs unit, she can't get them out, like I said, if they fail to pay their rent or they just want to squat on the property through legal channels because she first has to have a legal duplex in order to do so.

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issue of safety in in the long term

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So another issue, it's not just the safety, but this will give L&I the ability to properly regulate this property as a duplex, as it has been used for decades and decades, and as it's currently built out.

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And as I said, there is a duplex there, and in order for there not to be a duplex there, you have to do substantial structural work to retrofit the building, and that creates the undue hardship.

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And just on a note, we met with the RCO, and I have a lot of respect for the folks who do it.

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I sat on the SOSNA zoning committee for a number of years.

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I know that it's a lot of tough work.

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Nobody thanks you for it.

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You don't get paid, and you get beat up a lot.

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And so I respect and understand their position.

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I've got nothing bad to say about them.

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I think one thing I just want to note is that when we were on the Zoom meeting, it appeared

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that there was a majority of the community voted in our favor.

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In the letter, Ms. Tavani noted that there was a tie, a 3-3 vote.

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I asked her about that, and she said that there was two individuals who voted outside,

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who were from outside the area.

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I don't have any way to see that, but I think we anticipated that the community vote was

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going to be in favor, but I have no reason to believe that Ms. Tavani is not telling

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the truth.

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I think there's a couple of things in the basis for the opposition that don't really

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address the hardship issue.

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One is, I think in the highlighted information that I have up here on your screen, Ms. Tavani

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in the zoning committee acknowledged that contrary to how this building was marketed

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by the previous owner and the realtor, the building was designed, constructed as a single

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family home. They're acknowledging that there is a duplex there. And again, the fact that there is

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an existing duplex there that would require a structural rework is what our argument is that

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there is a hardship. I think that there was some confusion at the hearing. In our context photos,

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we showed that there are three, they said there were three doorbells there. Those were there when

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Ms. Genarelli bought her property. They were confused because there were three water units

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in the basement. There were three water units there before, and Ms. Genarelli replaced them

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before her family came to visit last year for Christmas just because she wanted her house to

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be fully functional um but those are new but as you can see there's simply uh two uh electrical

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meters two water meters what it seems like uh um uh passing square civic association was saying

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without saying it a little bit was that yeah we're asking for a duplex but uh it appears that there

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was uh there's a triplex there uh ms uh generelli will confirm and i can assure the board there's

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absolutely there are two units there there's no desire to um to to backdoor or try to legalize

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two units and then sneak in a third nothing like that um we don't know why those three bells are

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there uh i don't know why the the three units uh water heaters are there except that it's probably

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really great if you want to take a shower there um because you can last uh have hot water as long

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as you want. But the final issue is, I believe the Pasadena Square Civic Association, I know

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that there's been a lot of changes in the neighborhood, a lot of construction that has

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changed things, and density is always an issue. They don't raise parking as an issue as it's

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savvy, but I think that parking has always been an argument against density, and Pasadena Square

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civic association knows that that's not really a strong argument um ms generelli as a matter of

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fact does not own a car has never owned a car she does not drive so uh and she can confirm that um

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and i'm not going to interrupt this and summarize it that that could change and i'm i am personally

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familiar with this property i knew the fire owner before he passed away mr leonetti understood

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I've known him, but he's always used as a duplex.

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Understood.

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And I'm not trying to preempt anything.

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I'm just like, I am familiar with the property.

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I understand that you're on into Chico, and I knew those are your stomping grounds, and that's why.

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I understand that, Chairman DiCicco, and I knew those are your stomping grounds, and that's why I just wanted to...

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Well, I'm also the councilman who put in place the limitation on the number of multifamily units.

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So, unfortunately, Mr. Leonetti, I guess, did this prior to that legislation being passed back in the early 90s.

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Yeah, I understand that.

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And when we looked at the record and we talked with some folks in the area, there was a use permit hold, I think, for doing some work on the interior.

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And they listed the property as single-family home.

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That was, I think, before the change in the legislation.

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Because the property was – and so the work that was done was, it appears, was permitted.

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but the um but the list says single family and our best guess is that uh because it was occupied

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by i believe a couple and and and their son uh who occupied upstairs they were one family

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but the units they were developing were in fact two families and um uh so you know that that's

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it's unfortunate but that's that's what the record says um you know and and uh mr chairman

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chico i i hear you i understand um i i would say that uh you know if um if if the board is uh you

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know i i don't want to preempt anything or or jump to any conclusions but i know that

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ms generelli is uh vested in this property in her neighborhood in a community um i guess two things

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I do have a legal memorandum sort of in support of our factual arguments that we believe strongly

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do set a case for a Hertzberg hardship in this case. That, you know, we do think that the facts

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and circumstances here are pretty unique. Ms. Ginarelli, she's not a developer. She doesn't

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want to be a developer. She just wants to live in this house and rent out the upstairs unit. I

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understand that's not necessarily uh forever and ever but uh that's this current owner and uh and

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and and the predicament that she's in um and uh we would just ask that if um if that we would have

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an opportunity to email a legal brief in support of our argument uh following this hearing and

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that's it um but that's basically my my factual presentation and i know miss uh generelli if you

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can uh raise your virtual hand on on zoom so um uh the board administrator are you there

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okay uh hey uh miss generelli did you hear my presentation i did maddie thank you sure and

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And did the factual statements that I made, were they accurate?

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Yes.

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And do you adopt them as your testimony?

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I'm sorry.

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Would you spell your full name for the record, ma'am?

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Vanessa, V-A-N-E-S-S-A, Generelli, G-E-N-N-A-R-E-L-L-I.

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Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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My apologies. So let's just do that again. Now that you've been sworn in, Ms. Genarelli,

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did you hear my presentation? Yes. And the factual statements that I made,

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were they accurate? Yes. Do you adopt them as your testimony? I do. Okay. And I guess

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with that, that concludes my presentation. We're happy to answer any questions.

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and um thank you questions from the board no no anyone else wish to testify on this case if so

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please raise your hand here we have andrew andrew you can yourself and wait to be sworn in

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sir please says identify yourselves by your name for the record and give us your address

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my name is andrew albergo a-n-d-r-e-w albergo a-l-b-e-r-g-o my address is 1226 annon

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street philadelphia pa 19147 i'm here to represent the passion on square civic association zoning

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committee thank you please proceed your your honor and board the gentleman the

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the applicant appeared before our committee back in August and they

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explained to us the situation as the attorney has mentioned we had problems

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with little confusion over the hot water heaters and the three bells and so

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little confusion over the hot water heaters and the three bells and so forth

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forth.

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the biggest issue really stems from the facts which he stated himself

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The biggest issue

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that the property was used by the adult son

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in the apartment that was what it was used as a rental it wasn't used as a

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rental to the general public i understand uh chairman that you have

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some experience in the neighborhood and you know this property but that was

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presented to us additionally we feel that the cause of

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action is with the realtor and with the people who've represented that this was a legal duplex

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and that it's not the responsibility of the neighborhood to correct these errors or these

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transgressions the zoning committee has a history of voting against legalizing illegal duplexes

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especially in the situation where the new buyer claims they were misled by the in the purchase

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of the property for those reasons the zoning committee voted nine to o in opposition and

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as you can see in the letter the straw poll was three to three thank you very much for hearing me

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out thank you and if i may just uh state for the record i and i appreciate the passing square

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civic association's participation but i just want to uh state just an objection for the record uh

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based on lack of standing for the the committee voting against but that's just a technical matter.

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Anyone else wish to testify? That's all Chair.

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Planning Commissioner. This property is indicated for residential use on the city plan. Given the

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site history's pre-existing configuration we have no objection to the granting the variance provided

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two units only. Thank you. Pre-existing. Okay. MI 2020-0009751543 South 13th Street.

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I'm going to give a reluctant yes with a proviso maximum two units.

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yes with proviso yes with proviso yes with proviso

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your client we get these kinds of cases quite often where realtors mislead

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buyers i think you should have another case lined up

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if there is any way that the agreements of sale let us go after these people believe me i would

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It was a hard work for me because I did the remapping that made all that stuff single-family

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because we don't want to be overrun by multifamilies, but I sympathize with your client.

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Thank you so much.

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Appreciate it.

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Do we have any unfinished business, Tanya or Sharon?

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Not from me, Chair.

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We're all good then?

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Not from me either.

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okay everyone uh thank you for all your cooperation today uh and everyone please

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stay safe let's talk we'll see you next week okay thank you all righty take care

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thank you to the court reporter for hanging out to the court reporter

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when i say thank you to everyone it means the court reporter

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have a good night good night good night

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