The three exits on the first floor and the one in the basement.
The fire escape.
All right, give me a moment.
I'm sorry.
How many children are you looking to have?
I'm not sure what I'm entitled to.
Right now my certificate says 10, so I'm pretty sure that's probably what I can have.
The entire structure will be geared for the daycare center.
The RCO is in favor of you, am I correct?
okay all right why don't you tell us this this is the exit to the basement the basement
is almost finished that's just the stairway to the basement
that's the kitchen there's an exit right there next to the stove going to the backyard
that's the fire escape it should be finished this weekend just with the covering
from the second floor yes that's the egress there's the door all for the second floor
That's just the backyard. It's just been enclosed.
Again, that's that egress off of the second floor.
That's just the front of the property. I changed it. I colored it all over.
I'm just going for more of a professional look versus all of the pretty bright bright colors.
that's the first exit the second is on right under that egress and there's one in the backyard
how many bathrooms are there there's one and a half so i have a half on the first floor yes
i have a full on the first on the second does this change then oh sorry we're not
okay does this change the number of children that you can have on site based on the conversation we
had at your first hearing um prior to yeah just because i didn't have that egress on that second
floor they were not trying to hear it so you told me to go through license i did all that
good stuff is ready to be issued it's just waiting to hear what you guys have to say um yeah and
again i'm not sure what what i was initially told was 10 but since i have all of those as it i'm
not sure if they're going to revamp it, but I'll definitely find out. Do you know if 10 still
works with the number of bathrooms that you have? No, I don't.
I don't, but I will talk to DHS, yes. And then your plan is still to have
the food brought in, because I see you have a full kitchen,
but is that just for, like, staff? That's just for an emergency? Okay.
Yes. We'll provide food and things and snacks and things like that.
Are you guys making the snacks and the food on site? Are you
working with a service that's delivering them we will work with a service that'll be okay you are
any other questions
um questions or comments from our attorney i just wanted to clarify did you submit any
revised plans or floor plans or um initially when i um requested this yes the floor plans
were approved through l and i so it um i didn't need to revise the plan because it wasn't well
um I didn't need to revise the plan it wasn't well with the change in the um the second floor egress
with the change.
yes we sent them the last one okay did you submit that I just want to make sure the board reviews
everything that you wanted them to review because there were various continuations of this so you've
only showed them the photographs is there any plans you want to show them um the plans that I
initially had they were revised and I uploaded them to the folder to the portal I'm sorry okay
Did you want to? Yeah, can you show them?
Because my mic was on. You have the plans, Ian.
I'm going to try and find those. There's a lot of submissions. Just give me a minute.
But you did add to the exit out of the stairway. You've got the exit from the second floor.
Absolutely. And I actually have the plan as well if you need it.
Is this the door of the, where the fire escape is?
Just just not for nothing, but it looks like that door actually swings the wrong way.
It's a it's actually a right hand opening because when you come out, the fire snake is on the left side. So, um, according to L and I.
That's what they propose in terms of exiting.
That was a right hand door, so they accept they accepted it swinging in.
Yes, sir.
Interesting.
Yeah, and just follow them.
I, they usually they ask for you to have at least one door for exit that's like has a panic bar on it. Like from inside, you can push it as an emergency.
Yeah. So in case of an emergency, people can get out easily. They don't have to reach for doorknobs and things. And so the idea that this door opens in is not good. Is there an exit with the panic bar where the fire escape actually is?
No, this is it. That's why I asked the question. And the door swings in. That's why I asked the question. So there may be something that they'll have to deal with when the inspector comes, because that's...
State NL. Yeah. Fire code requirements. Yeah. I actually have an aspiring fire inspector that's supposed to come out in two weeks. So if they're requesting for me to add those additional things, I definitely do it. Right. Okay. Yeah. And they, um, so what age children?
It's 0 to 12, but if I'm allowed to have aftercare, once I correspond with DHS, and if they give me the okay, then I do, I, the basement is finished. The floor hasn't been done, but that will be for the older kids. When they come in, they can have that computer room.
Yeah. All right. Thank you.
i'm sorry for the delay that's that that's all right ian i think i think if she you
you flip through the photos i think i'm okay okay um any other questions
no hands at this time chair um questions from our attorney no questions at this time
questions or comments from the virtual audience no hands at this time um planning commission
thank you chairman and good morning david vecto with the city planning commission
chairman and board members the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the rsa5 residential
single-family zoning at this location there are no unique physical cert conditions or circumstances
of this property that would prevent it from being used in conformance with the zoning code
the city planning commission recommends that the board deny the request variance for a child care
center so number seven mi 2025 004 101 5944 cali hill street i vote yes with proviso certificate
of occupancy to be obtained johns my vote is yes with proviso cheryl gaston my vote is yes with
proviso ryan mcadams my vote is yes with proviso hi i win my vote is yes with proviso
thank you thank you for your time have a good day
all right number eight mi 2026 002 282 2208 north 29th street alan knockamson or alex goldberg
Mr. Goldberg is here.
did we have anything come in from the rco today with this
not from this one we came in for the next one okay i i unless council has something
it's the next one okay lehigh we did okay mr goldberg could you please state and spell your
name for the sonographer alex goldberg a-l-e-x g-o-l-d-b-e-r-g you swear or affirm to tell
the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do could you identify your client the relationship
to the property sure my client is making prosperity llc and its member deanna macon jones is sitting
to my left sure and our board secretary has a few questions for you uh good morning counsel
did you submit your documents and exhibits 14 days before this hearing i did and do you avoid
the reading of the refusal oh yeah refusal and stipulate to its accuracy i waive the reading
but we've um we're going to ask for proviso maximum two units today so i don't stipulate
to its accuracy all right thank you um then you can share your screen and begin your presentation
thank you okay so i'm sharing my screen um let's see if it comes up there we go uh this is an
enormous building structure it stretches the entire depth of the lot and width of the lot
almost and the lot is 110 feet deep so we have an enormous building structure here
my client originally was representing herself and represented herself at the rco meeting
um was asking for three units and i'm sure the board will ask questions about this after my
presentation but my understanding is that the meeting went pretty well there were neighbors
that said you know i'd be supportive of this if this was two units instead of three units
and that's what we did i tried reaching out to the coordinating rco i sent them the revised floor
plans showing the two units we haven't heard from them um we you know there are no changes
to the building structure because it's an existing structure we would ask the board to
vote today if they're so inclined um but again it sounds like we don't have a letter from the rco
so i don't know what their final position would be on this application maybe pastor williams will
be in the virtual audience and can opine about that. Okay, so here's the notice of refusal. Again,
originally three-family we would ask today for a proviso, among other things, for maximum two
units, and the only variance we're receiving, we're asking for today is for multifamily household
living in RSA 5. This is kind of a unique block, a mix of uses, a few duplexes, a mixed-use
property a couple churches a handful of single families and then a handful of vacant lots
not including our property um so kind of a mixed bag here uh and and again we you know we don't
think two units would be out of character and we think it's appropriate specific to this building
structure which has almost 3 000 square feet of gross floor area and was renovated prior to my
client's purchase of the property last year to include seven bedrooms um so we have uh you know
a placeholder here for the for the cdc's letter here's a zillow listing again my client purchased
the property this is how it was advertised when she purchased it in september of 2025
with seven bedrooms four bathrooms and 310 square feet of interior space you'll see the photos of
work that was done which i don't believe was with the benefit of permits so of course um to the
extent that any permits are necessary for the work that was done prior to her ownership we would
need to obtain a co and we accept that um and then the description is interesting here they
they sort of describe the property as renovated top to bottom um designed to be easily converted
into a duplex with city approval seems like this person did all the work and kind of made it someone
else's problem my client purchased it understanding that you know she may have she would have to go
through this process if she wanted to use it as a duplex which seven bedroom home would be tough
to rent as a single family because it is enormous and and you'll see the plans you know we have two
very spacious units that were recently renovated obviously l and i is going to have to agree that
it was the work was done properly and and we'll have to make changes if necessary um here's a
zoning map and a google map photographs so this is the front of the property it actually has a
breezeway to the left here that grants access to a side yard which is where we would agree to store
trash you'll see it's sort of like a little carve out on the side the benefit there is that
there's a lot of natural light running down the side of the property because that breezeway doesn't
there's a lot of natural light running down the side of the property because that breezeway doesn't
go all the way down so there's a bit of a side yard setback the building is also structured
where you have a two-story structure at the front then it drops down to a one-story structure and
then back up to a two-story structure so kind of like a little bit of a staircase the good you know
it's weird uh you have a bi-level unit in the back but the benefit there is that you have more
opportunity for windows and there's a lot of natural light in this property the notice posting
here's to the right of the property and the left you can see these churches that are next to us
across the street from each other there's a duplex right down there where my mouse is
interior photos so this is what the inside looks like you have a four bed two bath
and a two bed one bath so we we see it more appropriately being used as with six total
bedrooms instead of seven um plans and drawings this is a site plan so there here's this this
partial breezeway is right here where my mouse is hovering and then it's just open space all along
the side where we'll have trash storage and where you have again the benefit of a lot of natural
light and then this portion right here is where the building shrinks back down to a one-story
structure. And then in the back right here, it jumps back up to a two-story structure. And I'll
show you what that looks like on these floor plans. So let me zoom in right here. The pink
unit is the first floor. So you would enter in this common foyer, which is convenient for mail
and packages. If you go straight, you enter a hallway to the first unit, which is a four bed,
two bath you have a bathroom at the front and some storage you have a living space a very large
bedroom a laundry room moving back a kitchen a dining room and a bedroom there's also i'd point
out two in addition to the front entry point there's two side doors right here all this is
existing and then at the back of the building structure there's a an additional two bedrooms
in that sort of rear two-story portion.
So this unit is a little over 1,800 square feet.
It's enormous.
And then going back to the front, you have a hallway.
Again, this foyer, you go up the stairs,
and then you have a large two-bed, one-bath
that has a big bedroom at the front of the property,
in-unit laundry, bathroom, and then a bedroom at the rear.
and again like i mentioned because of this first floor portion here you you have some nice
extra natural light that's coming into these these bedrooms for these two units
my client's going to self-manage the property it's currently vacant she hasn't had anyone live
there since she purchased it part of the reason why you know if the board is inclined to approve
the variance we would ask them to vote today because it costs money to have an empty property
And, you know, we'd like to delay any further or we'd like to avoid any further delays.
And sort of that's that's the conclusion of my presentation.
At this point, I'd like to call Deanna to adopt my testimony.
Hi, could you get close to the mic?
Could you please state and spell your name for the stenographer?
Deanna Macon Jones, D-E-A-N-N-A, Macon, M-A-C-O-N hyphen Jones, J-O-N-E-S.
do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes counsel
deanna did you hear my testimony today yeah was it true and correct yeah and do you adopt it as
your own yes thank you questions from the board yes i have a question about the property running
the full length of the the building structure do we know how long that has been the case so good
question i looked back on atlas you know the aerial images 1996 is a little foggy because
there's a tree that's overhanging the property but it looks to me like it as far back as then
and the city's mapping system recognizes that the building structure is the shape that it is just
i feel like this is just speaking from my experience if you have an illegal addition
it doesn't show up on the mapping system that could be untrue i don't know but it's been there
for i would say at least 30 years okay um and then my second question is are you opposed to
proviso for interior trash storage because while i understand there's a breezeway with the two
entrances down that side it's only three feet wide sure and that if the bins are obstructing
the walkway the people won't be able to actually use the two side doors that were outlined on them
is that something you'd be okay with yeah you still have enough space yeah so all the questions
I'm sorry. Can I see the floor plan?
can we do the floor plan of course please
Of course.
Please.
i know what you're about to say they're they're large they're they're large units but they're
very poorly laid out exactly yeah listen that that's that's what i said here strange it is
i'm not gonna lie he said weird yeah there there are some funky things here um i don't think it's
way that deanna would have designed the layout if she was starting from scratch maybe there's
an opportunity to move some things but um board member gaston i'm curious what caught your eye
bathrooms well bathrooms of course yeah yeah i i got that you know that's my little pet peeve you
know you shouldn't have to wander through wherever but well well in this wait wait a minute in this
case you're going to have to wander from the second floor rear all the way to the front of the front
of the unit to go to the bathroom to a bathroom yeah i mean that you could use the one in the
kitchen well one of the back yeah there's two bedrooms in that downstairs you know it is odd
you know right um right and the and the and the bedrooms are like tiny and i don't understand