Hello. Okay, my name is Marie Delaney, and I'm the President of the New Frankford Community Y in Frankford of Philadelphia. The New Frankford Community Y is a 169 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. community center with the heart and spirit of the community as its mission. We are the only organization in the Frankford Center that offers our community a swimming pool, a basketball court and programs that work with the whole family. One of the programs we are presently operating at the Y is our after-school program, with 55 children at present, and many more on the waiting list. We believe that all children are at risk when there is no place where the children have recreation, socialization and education. They need a chance to relax at the end of the school day in a safe environment, to be with friends, and maybe try something new to eat for a snack. As the caretakers, we're always looking to design programs in response to the needs of the school-age children, such as structuring daily routines, selecting activities, determining the needs of children, using available space and creating a spirit of community; also with understanding and addressing the normal needs of our children, which can be complicated by 170 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. individual circumstances of their lives. Our caregivers are often challenged with the anger, the irritability and sometimes sadness among our school-aged children. As I mentioned in the beginning, we have 55 children. What wasn't said was that the price we charge per child is $35 per week. Some people find that high in some areas, but it's what we charge. And the average time for a child is 11 hours a week, which comes out to $2.33 an hour. 12 That's with snacks included. 13 I say that, to conclude, that it's 14 obvious that the New Frankford Community Y is 15 subsidized in the after-school program. The problem is that the Y is not able to fund the needs for vital and necessary program without the help of much needed funding that would enable to us develop caretakers and open our doors to the waiting list of children before they're not home alone, but with the drugs, alcohol, porno films or whatever else lack of care and guidance has in store for our available children.
Okay, thank you. Vivian Hansbury. Oh, she's not here? 171 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. Frances Walker.
Good afternoon, or should I say "evening"? I'd like to thank Council for having these hearings. And it's most important that we do deal with our issues of our children. That's the most important commodity that we have in our society. Parents Against Drugs started ten years ago because of the impact of drugs it had started having on our neighbors, and it was created to combat and also to confront the drug dealers in our communities. In doing that, we realized that we had our children using the drug dealers and the other criminal elements in our community as role models, so we knew immediately that we had to provide some kind of alternative program for our young people. And we started a youth development program in West Philadelphia. From that, we became a social service agency, and I can tell you why. We started with the after-school tutorial program, a baseball team and a basketball team, but there were so many 172 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. problems within the families that we ended up having to start an emergency food program, an HIV AIDS risk reduction prevention program for our young people, a male advocacy program to support our young fathers; also a "ROC" program, "Raising Other's Children," because a lot of the children that we were working with were children that were being raised adults other than their parents. We have now -- we have at least 45 children daily in our after-school tutorial program, which is housed at the Lee Cultural Center. And Lee Cultural Center is a small facility, but we're very grateful to Mike DiBerardinis for allowing us to use the facility and also supporting what we are doing. Our program has been run strictly with volunteers. Our after-school tutorial program, thanks to Miss Pat Fultz, who sits besides me. She's been with us ten years, and, from time to time, we have been able to give her a stipend, but she's retired, but most of the time, we haven't been able to pay her. We now have been able to, through the Department of Recreation, they do pay a person to 173 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. work with her, but we have been utilizing volunteers from within our communities, parents, and we have some young adults that have supported us and which, I may add, are some of our success stories. The coach of Drexel's basketball team is one of our former tutors in Parents Against Drugs, and we take great pride in that. So one of things like that I would like to emphasize here is that we do need support in community, in our communities. We realize there are a lot of agency and philanthropists and other institutions and organizations that provide a lot of big dollars to big, quasi organizations. But the community-based organizations that are actually doing the services and doing the work in the community are not being recognized and not receiving the benefit of the dollars that would help us to be as successful as we could be. So I would like to urge you to support the Youth Development Bill or introduce it, the fund, 'cause we desperately need it in our community, and that it would be distributed equitably according to what services are being provided inside of the community. 174 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. I also chair the West Philadelphia Empowerment Zone Education Committee, and I would like to ask for support in community schools. That's another way of working with young people and keeping schools open after school. We are working on opening two communities schools in West Philadelphia: one in Councilman Nutter's District, Shoemaker Middle School and Sulzberger Middle School, they're two community schools. But we have money from the Empowerment Zone for one year. We need to think about sustainability on all of these projects and all the things that we're doing. We cannot do it just for one year; we have to think in advance on how to secure funding so that we can continue these efforts in our communities. Thank you.
Thank you. Pat, do you want to -- okay, state your name.
Pat Fultz. I'm with Parents Against Drugs. This is a new age, and the way we were 175 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. taught, that's not the way they're teaching, so they need after-school programs for their children. We have the University of Pennsylvania tutoring project that comes two days a week, to do one-on-one tutoring with these children. My answer is correct, but that's not the way that they're teaching nowadays. And nobody realized that we also have a lot of young single parents that have dropped out of school and have families after 7th and 8th grade. They cannot help these children with their homework, and they are in need of coming someplace where they can. And the reason why I find that nowadays -- this is 1997. We play bingo. You know why we play bingo? It's not for the game; it's for listening skills discipline, how to be your brother's keeper. That's the reason play bingo. And guess what? The kids get a big kick out of that, and it helps them in decision-making. We play soccer. Why? To learn how to win a game and how to lose without fighting because you win and coming back tomorrow. That's 176 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. the -- guess what? We're going backwards. We're bringing back into our program a lot of what they took out of schools -- life skills. The kids go home with me, they cook a whole meal, the boys bake the cakes, the girls fry the chicken, and they get a thrill. Right now I have more boys that's interested in learning how to make an apron. They're learning how to sew hems, put buttons on, how to be responsible, how to do their decisions. I think we need to go backwards to go forward. And we think that all of these higher things the kids like. That's not it. They get a kick out of seeing me dance from 50 years ago. And, guess what, I have to close my doors because I don't have enough financial stability in order to service children. And thank you very much.
Good evening. My name is Jennifer Clement, and I am the Curriculum Specialist for Foundations Enrichment Before- and 177 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. After-school Program. We focus on children in need and at risk around this area, and we just opened up in Baltimore. We've been existing for five years, and I wanted to spend a little time explaining about our program and also talking about how important partnerships are in an after-school program. We offer year-round support for students, families and communities. We recognize the child's needs and attributes. We promote cultural sensitivity and awareness, we encourage participation and cooperation, we strengthen academic skills, we encourage creative expression, we hope to bring the arts that is missing in the schools now back into children's lives, develop self-esteem and social skills. We offer specialty things, speakers, field trips, traveling trunks. We are partners in the Hundred Book Challenge, we are partners in Imaginitis Learning System, and with Astral Artists. But the most important thing out of all of this, that separates us from a day-care setting 178 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. and that offers the enrichment that the children need is that we have a published curriculum that we give to our staff that fosters, encourages, explores, develops and teaches throughout all contents areas, not only from mental development, but for physical development too. In every school, we have a technology commitment where we promise five multimedia computers to the schools for our children during the non-school hours and for the schools during the school time. We also offer teacher-training from our staff to the District staff, and software from the technology. In a week, we have a day of language arts, a day of math and science, a day of technology, and a day of creative expression or of the arts. And then Friday is our Club Day, which is student-selected activities: story-telling, cooking, arts and crafts, things of that nature. We strongly, strongly support professional development. We hire teachers within the schools, train them for our program and then take what they have to train our staff. We have Temple social worker interns 179 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. that are with us in our schools. We have Drexel co-ops that also work with us, not only administratively, but also with our students. And the most important part of that is that we keep our ratios at to 1, 10 students 7 for 1 adult. And in most of our schools, it's 8 actually lower than that in the classroom. 9 We have volunteers of all ages -- well, 10 from the high school up. And we focus on the volunteers especially that have been in our programs as students, then come in also as volunteers to help with our kids. We are partners with Temple University, and we have an Evaluation Committee of their staff an us, to look at our programs, analyze it is. In June of this year, we'll be coming out with a five-year study on the progress Foundations has made. We have a partnership with Drexel University that is a part of the charter movement and the technical assistance team. We have community partnerships where we look at beautification, and how to improve the neighborhoods in which students our are students 180 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. in I. Think that's something that we stand by at Foundations, that we spend a lot of time looking out in the world around us and we deny the communities that we're in. And not only do we need to look out in the world around us, but we need to have children proud of where they're from, and sometimes that means getting a little dirty and cleaning it up, and we're all out there together. And that's also something that we stand by is that we want to be in the schools. We not only can form a partnership with the principals and the teachers where they support our program and we can support them, but it's a place where parents can feel safe to come.
They though where it is, they know that their children are not traveling after 3 o'clock to another site where they have to pick them up. They're in the same site all day long. Plus, parents, we offer our homework hour. We do promise that homework starts; we don't promise that it's completed. We offer it from 5 to 6, and we offer if then because we also 181 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. offer our parenting tutoring service there. If you want to come in and you don't understand what your child's working on, we will help you. We will teach you, we will tutor you but we'll also show your student it's kind of that reading. A teacher cannot ask her students to sit and do silent sustained reading if you're not doing reading also. So parents cannot insist that their kids are doing homework unless they put in the work too. So we work all around with parents and communities. We are offering -- and one thing is the professional development with schools and with the Martin Luther King Cluster, a conference on non-school hours focussing on alternative solutions and blending funding sources. We would like to make an example of the school we've opened in Baltimore that we spend about 130,000 to just start a school, and we have no support from outside. And what Baltimore has done is have their Empowerment Zone And, the Anna Casey Foundation has offered us money, and this is where partnerships can help us open more schools. 182 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. We will not have more than 75 kids because we will not sacrifice the quality of our program. And so Foundations not only reaches out to everyone here, but all around Philadelphia, to help us open more schools through partnerships. Thank you very much.
Thank you. The next witness will be Benjamin Brown from the Allegheny West Task Force.
Thank you. My name is Benjamin Brown, and I'm from the Allengheny West Task Force. I would like to open by a statement. Most juvenile delinquent efforts have been unsuccessful because of the negative approach, attempting to keep juveniles from misbehaving. A positive approach that emphasizes healthy social, physical and mental development has a greater likely road of success. Another weakness of past prevention delinquency effort is the narrow scope of only focussing two of society's institutions that have responsibility for social development of children. Most programs have targeted either the 183 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. school arena or family. Communities are often the neglected area. Successful prevention strategies must be positive in their orientation and comprehensive in scope. Allegheny West has dedicated itself to provide in our community an organizational structure whereby more than one community organization can look at the nature of problems within the community and come together to try and solve those problems. One of the thins that I've sat here this afternoon and continually listened to is the idea that basketball in the African-American community is a way out. It is not. Sports is not a way out for most African-American children living in our communities. What we're finding today is there is a technological racism in existence. What I mean by that is when I worked in the Northeast at a school, at a substance-abuse program, every child in there had access to computers. Within the North Philadelphia community, you can walk into to elementary schools. Walk up to a kid, take him to a computer and ask him to turn it on. He will 184 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. " How can that be in the age of technology? One of the areas that I feel is most important that we must begin to look at is programs that are effective in our communities, not paper programs that are funded by the City, because they can produce 44 pages of a program and the design that looks good on paper. However, with the implementation of those programs, we find that it is inefficient because the methodology that they're using as well as the lack of comprehension in the program allows for kids that are in the most need to fall through. What we must begin to do is evaluate programs not based on the fact that they can hire technical writers that can produce great proposals, and those methods that they use to produce those proposals to get funding, that is their livelihood, but to come into the community and to begin to examine both the content of the program and the people that are participating in the program. When we look at recreation centers -- 185 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. when you walk into the average recreation center, you will not see all of the kids sitting around playing basketball or playing checkers; you will find a lot of them standing outside, smoking blunts, doing nothing. We must begin to examine where our commitments are to our children. We must also begin to look at what I consider to be programs that do not allow for growth and development of the children. There are programs within the communities that start that children grow out of. Their level of skills, the things that they are participating in make them move forward; and yet the program is still stagnant because of their mission statement. We must develop ways to provide communities with more information and access to funding. One of the things that happens is that the larger institution has always received the lion's share of the money because they can produce the kind of documentation that looks good on some Councilwoman's our Councilperson's desk, that they can read to someone else and say, This is a viable 186 Spec. Comm. A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. program based on paper. But when they walk into the program, paper is not killing our children, children are.
I feel that it is necessary for me to be here today to say to City Council thank you for having this discussion, and I want to thank my personal representative for inviting me because she knows how adamantly I feel about the problem of our children in our area. Last, I live in this area. When you look at the map, when you see one of these red signals, that's the area I live at. I respect the gentleman that said he hasn't had a death in Boston in two months -- or two years. Two months ago, I had a death laying in my back alley, where they had to drag a teenager out of the alley, to bury him. That alley's now closed, but he was 18 years old.
Yes. And what I'm saying is that this kid that was 18 also was a member -- had a probation record. And one of the things that I will 187 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. submit to the Probation Department is that we need to be more active in monitoring within the community, not outside of the community. They talked about police roving the teens. If you want to know what teenagers are doing in their community, ask the community members. I have grandmothers on my block. The block that I live on is near a high school. After a certain hour, they called me to say that there are still teenagers roaming our block. Why? Because they see them, they know who they are, they don't need police to tell them who are the kids causing the problems. They know. And what trying to do is provide access to more activities within the community so that our children can be safe and secure. Thank you very much.
Yes. Good afternoon. My name is Julio Paz Y Mino. I am the Director of Philadelphia Child Care Resources for South Philadelphia and Center City. I'm here to, I guess, to remind you 188 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. that subsidized day care is one of the resources that you have in fitting together this patchwork of funding you're going to need to put together to make the after-school programs work. There is about $30 million of federal and state child care money that our five agencies administer in the City. We can pay for after-school care for parents who are working. And we will be working very closely with the Department of -- with the County Board of Assistance in this coming year, to help families who will be coming off of (unintelligible) and need child care while they're working. We will also be publicizing child-care information availability and providing it to anyone who calls throughout the City, or subsidy information, subsidy day care money for after-school care. By for 1-888-461-KIDS, anyone in the City can get this information, and it's available if you select the South Philadelphia option 23 hours a day. You can get information, recorded 24 information. So I want you to know that we're ready 189 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. to work with you as you solve this program. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Levy Joynes, Youth Coordinator, Strawberry Mansion.
To Councilwoman and the Committee and the people that are present here today. I come here as the Youth Coordinator for the Strawberry Mansion Unified Organization. We have our office at 2035 West Susquehannah Avenue, Second Floor, Philadelphia, PA. Right now, we're in the process of running a day-care -- excuse me, not a day care, an after-school program, that is working with children in computer skills, homework tutoring, mentoring, classes in heritage, and also economics. Basically, I want to say this first: There's a lack of pushing after-school programs in the communities of Philadelphia. You see pushing advertisements of everything else, but you do not 190 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. see the advertisement of after-school programs. It's like you'll see flyers, but you won't see it pushed on television, you won't even hear it on radio. That's the lack of pushing it. Second is participation from the people in the community and the schools also. One problem that I encountered, being part of the Strawberry Mansion Unified Organization was that when we went to the school known as "Strawberry Mansion High School," we set up the program there, but later we were thrown out. And I wonder why we were thrown out because the President of my organization went to the Principal and asked for the funding that he knew was there. None of that came through. Before we could even get any funding, we were pushed out. And I'm not just saying that for Strawberry Mansion Unified; I'm saying that for whole bunch of organizations in the community that work. This is the second time that I've been working with Strawberry Mansion Unified, and each class that we have, the children always come out learning something new. We need after-school 191 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. programs, we need them. 1. After-school programs give children a chance to learn beyond what's in their immediate scope. 2. It gives them a chance to learn economical trades and economic skills so they can also learn how to get a job and start their own businesses. Through after-school programs, we can bring different officials in to children who own businesses and have them get exposed to that and learn about it, and even get a chance to work with them, thus creating employment in the community so, therefore, we don't have to get into the whole situation of children standing on the corner, selling drugs, because that would be an actual interference between the drug trade and that which is already happening. We could bring that employment in through the after-school programs, and we can make some changes there. You know, I've been hearing about the numbers of people that have been dying. We have to get to the reason why they're dying. It's the economics, it's the lack of skills, and basic 192 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. confusion. If you don't have the skills to move in the society that you belong to, what else are you going to do? That's when chaos starts to come about, and these after-school programs are needed. And we as individuals in the community, we have to have the school involved, 'cause the school shouldn't be open from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock to 2 o'clock and then shut down while the children run wild through the streets. It shouldn't be that way because school is an institution for learning. We must get the parents involved. And myself, I have been pushing Strawberry Mansion Unified and also after-school programs for three years, and I am on the streets constantly patroling, giving out flyers. We must start to advertise after-school programs. You know, stop wasting funds. I notice in this City, I see lights hanging all over the place downtown. Why are those lights not hanging in the urban communities? We're wasting money. We must get together and unify. 193 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs.
There's one more point that I want to make. We have to get community programs because in the next five years, things will be much worse than they are now. They're already escalating. We need them. The way that we can push this, the way that we can get community programs to start is not just by the government funding, but also by the people in the community also helping out and putting their foot inward. That's the way to get this really moving. 'Cause, okay, what if you get the funding and no one shows up for the program? No 20 one knows about it. So it's got to be on both ends. So myself, I'd like the opportunity, I want to work with you all. Just -- I want to push this community program thing further so that we can start to combat the negative things that are 194 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. happening in our community. That's why you see the numbers escalating this way.
Thank you, Mr. Joynes. We want to work with you too. And thank you for coming in to testify. Does anyone have any questions? (No questions.)
Madam Chair, in closing, I'd like to do a special thanks to two of my staff: Beth Moy Jang and Linda Blanchette who have spent a lot of time and did a lot of background work in helping develop this agenda today, so I wanted to personally thank them.
Okay. This concludes the public hearing of the Special Committee on Parks, Recreation and Cultural Affairs and the Committee on Public Health and Human Services. (Harriet Jaffe comes forward.)
Excuse me. They told me that I could speak at the end. I'm sorry to be the last one, but that's what they told me.
My name is Harriet Jaffe, 195 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. and I'd like to make a statement, and they told me I could come up after everyone.
We called earlier for anyone else to come up but, evidently, you were not here at that time.
Well, you can't really hear everything accurately; you're not really sure what they're saying.
First of all, I wanted to respond to one thing the gentleman said. I agree with some of his issues he's bringing out, and I understand and I read and observed that in some places, they are working with the Afro-American community with computers and jobs and social skills and so forth, and, yeah, I think it's important and I agree with it. Most of you know me by sight and know 196 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. my situation and so forth and so on. But I was glad to see that the U.S. Attorney's Office was here, that the federal government is now beginning to take seriously the idea of children also and their needs and the people in our communities. Despite the fact that I had difficulty with the City, State and federal -- it was federal totally, they picked up on some issues. I am a single, non-parent female. My title since the investigation has been titled -- they have dubbed me and I'm going to be wearing it very proudly -- "Legal Jew, Legal White, Legal U.S. Citizen" because nothing is my fault. One of the problems I did have is the fact that I did not have children, and I was trying to be very nice to them. By the way, I am Jewish, and the children mostly that I tried to deal were non-Jewish children, both in East Oak Lane and in Kensington. And there were numbers and numbers of problems with them. I did go to the schools and did go to the government and I did go to a lot of places because I was interested in the children. 197 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. I felt it important to do it at that time because I don't have children, and I understand. A lot of things that I heard today were really, really excellent. You always think as the non-child person, the childless person as the problem, and the people who have the children as the ones who are most interested in their care. And, this obviously, is not the case, as is being brought out. And as far as drugs are concerned, I hear a lot of talk about it, and I wanted to see if they were really going to do something about enforcing a number of these issues and laws on drugs. The library is supposed to be considered a safe haven.
Harriet Jaffe. And I went to the library and I went to a program, and they were talking about drug-addicted crimes, and people were discussing things that were involved. And I had problems with the drug trade as well as 198 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. my other issues involved. And they were sitting there like this. There's drugs in the library. They don't want us to talk about it. Well, that's not the library's prerogative. If there's drugs at the library, there's something wrong with the law enforcement, which is what I had. They should have been cleaned out. They don't have any right to pass judgment on it. So when you're talking about safe havens, you're talking about crimes, you're talking about drugs, and you have to consider that people are involved. And, like the gentleman said, you don't need the three R's, the retribution and all the other things that he mentioned. There is another thing: that the activities of safe haven and introducing children to other benefits besides the family or other people in the community or outside of the community. And I'm glad that the resolution has been introduced because I feel that it is only one way to prevent crimes, but the effects of places 199 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. for children of all ages can give the problem-solving skills, the constructive areas of their lives so they develop and use these to grow. I agree with a lot of things that were said. It also aids in critical thinking so that peer pressure can be eliminated and other pressures so that they know what to do and where to do. This can be important in resolving another area of concern, and there should be intervention to aid these children from the peer pressure from these things as they're going on, as well as adults too and their families. They're feeling that they don't have to resolve these issues by themselves and are making them feel isolated. I was glad to hear the gentleman speak about working with the schools and the (unintelligible) because, as I said, I have been there in the churches and the other areas and here, the government, all levels. Some of these children may feel alienated, and their behaviors may be showing it. 200 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. And there may be some individuals who may want to reach out to them, and they need the support and skills of these groups and people on a sensitive basis. And that was in connection to the gentleman who spoke about the homeless.
Miss Jaffe, are you saying that you're here to support the need for after-school programs?
Okay. I want to thank you for your testimony because I have another meeting now, and that's why everybody else is gone; they have meetings too.
Well, what you can do is put it in writing and send it in.
Because I was promised office space, and I haven't gotten it. I don't really make that many copies. I have my own copy here. But I would like to say something before I go. I realize I'm not -- I know 201 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. somebody is very upset over there. I heard her say, "She wants to speak for herself. She doesn't like it." And I think that's a little bit discriminatory.
I'm sorry, you know, that you gave that gentleman an extra amount of time. I will mention certain other things here because I skimmed over my notes.
You know, and so forth and so forth. At this time, even though I am homeless, I do take art classes, I do utilize other areas, I do volunteer work, helping to feed seniors, and I do other kinds of activities. And it has help me cope with the situation. I also do not identify with these people who do commit the crimes or the homeless. And I read recently a case manager's report where there were several people. Once they were told not to do this, their reports show they went on to do better things. And the reason I tell you this is because of times, we get misinformation or 202 Spec. Comm. Parks, Rec., C.A. & Pub. H. and H. Svcs. disinformation and things are going to be done, and it's not done. And when it comes to the funding, that's the thing I keep hearing about. Like the gentleman said, "The funding, the funding, the funding." Some of the ways you're coming up with the funding, it seems to be money-oriented. And I just want to --
Miss Jaffe, thank you for coming and providing testimony today. (Adjourned at 5:15 p.m.) - - - 203 C E R T I F I C A T E I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing proceedings of the Council of the City of Philadelphia of Tuesday, December 9, 1997 were reported and accurately by me, and that this is a correct transcript of same. RE: PUBLIC HEARING OF JOINT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC HEALTH & HUMAN SERVICES AND THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PARKS, RECREATION AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS. ___________________________________, JOSEPHINE CARDILLO, RPR