let's call it four bedrooms here four wings of the floor and there will be four bathrooms on the floor
a dining area plenty of kitchen facilities so everyone can have space in the refrigerator cook
at the same time if they want to whatever they want to do wash their clothes individually there's
four washers and dryers on the floor so kia says well so you have three six nine twelve people
living in this pod and they're all communal living on one floor so everybody together
there, what about conflict resolution? How do you manage all that? And she's like, will there be house
rules? And Sherman says, yeah, like any, just like, you know, we have building rules, like how to be a
good neighbor. We'll have, you have to have house rules. She's like, have you done this before?
What's the testing? What's, what's your focus group that's proven that this can be effective?
And he said, well, we've had student housing and Joyce, I believe did a tour maybe 12 years ago
about some of our student rentals.
These student rentals were not group living.
They were like apartments.
You have students in apartments.
Are you saying that or are you saying that?
I'm saying that right now.
German says it might, so then maybe with student housing
might be whoever would be able to afford it
and can afford the rent.
So German says who he's going to pick to live here
is whoever would be able to afford it and can afford the rent we wouldn't exclude any specific
population so then um he says well uh we've had we've had a lot of occupants in other places we've
you know five or six buildings next to each other six seven bedroom houses so it's effectively 42
people that we've had together um so then one of the uh neighbors said one of the things she
thinks that people are concerned about is the target audience you would have students are one
thing but anyone who's recovering getting back into the population it sounds like they could also get
a space in one of your pods and he said that's true that's possible i mean like again when we
presented our two proposals this was not our favorite one to have the neighborhood uh but
we're we have the property we have to develop it and so this is something that's effectively
allowed by right and you know since the other application was denied and while we're under
repeal we're going to seek to get this one approved ideally i'd like to have 16 apartments
with probably one or two people maximum most of our tenants are single people and the same
identical building in the prior proposal they would have just been 16 or 20 people instead of
the 50. then nancy boyd says um it doesn't seem like there's any safety or any privacy where
people can maybe put their money like like when you're living in a place and there's no doors so
everybody has access to everybody else's personal belongings. It seems like folks who will want to
live here who need to live in a room or space, they're not going to have a lot. So is it going
to be like a conflict there where there's no bed, there's no dresser, there's no coming in?
They're really looking at other folks, what they have, and maybe they could potentially be a real
problem. And Jakubov says, well, there's closets. I'm going to share the screen again, and he shows
that there's closets. Nancy says, well, is there any privacy with any closet or dresser? How does
the units have privacy and um he says well for these kind let's call them walk-in closets people
could bring their own security devices whether it's a safe luggage whether it's whatever it is
that makes them seem fit you know this isn't designed to be permanent housing this is somebody
that needs that could be permanent but in essence this is probably you know a transition for someone
who has who needs a roof over the head doesn't care can't afford it so look we said when we got
one o'clock we're going to make an evaluation okay this is what we're going to do and i would
appreciate if you could figure out where you want to stop we're stopping at 1 15. okay the staff
usually gets done at 12 30. ian haggerty and the keisha are coming in to help out a little bit
but 1 15 okay it's a dead stop but it won't be the end of my case i'm oh oh no no no
Oh, no, no, no. What I'm saying is, I'd like to stop. How much longer are you going to read?
I'd like to stop.
How much?
I think we can get to the end of this transcript.
If you get to the end of that, then I'm fine.
Morris, do you hear what I said?
You're dead.
Okay, thank you. Go ahead, Steve.
Okay. So he's saying, you know, people want a roof over their head, can't afford to have a single apartment.
This is their way to have a house and be affordable.
But then Nancy says, but people barely be in a shelter and people who need a room don't carry a bed.
like you're not going to have a bed with you most times jermis says i mean that might be
something we might look at and maybe something we would charge extra for to give them a bed
uh then um then we have um oh this was my uh my comment about transitional living
uh you call transitional housing multiple times so the question is i don't see any communal dining
facilities that are defined you said there's areas that people can cook but can people go to any
floor and any part of the building to cook are they supposed to only go to the area that's closest to
where their room is and he says well there's multiple areas for them to cook that's communal
it's shared transitional i would argue that anything that you don't own is transitional
somebody runs an apartment for a year it's transitioning for the year so we went back and
forth about transitional and uh german meredith says german was very clear when he means
transitional somebody who's looking for a roof over their head um so then uh
okay tell more about um how are the rents paid are they paid daily weekly bi-weekly how can
somebody this issue in that question yes it appears to be yeah how do they know how much
how much time they're buying when they're when they give you money at certain intervals
and German says well there'll be a regular lease just like anything else they'll pay ahead
just like a regular tenant would the lease would be anything from 30 days to a year
and then we have Neva if you have like seven ten people with personal care needs personal care
needs being defined not only as you know they need assistance with their medicine they need
assistance maybe getting the doctor they need assistance paying bills any kind of cognitive
issues how are these are all things that go with personal care how are you going to safeguard 50
people living here and then the third part of my question is what about children will children be
permitted to live here german says i don't see why they wouldn't be permitted to live there
talking about children but as far as the mental i would i'm going to treat anybody that wants to
live here as i would anybody else who wants to rent for me i'm not going to ask them what their
mental state is what their drug addiction is or isn't i'm going to check their ability to pay
i'm going to check their background and as long as they qualify both on an economic level
then they can and they can afford the place they can stay there neva says but that's not what
legally i'm saying a group facility has with individuals who need personal care and he said
i'm not he said i'm not providing personal care um and then he says um that's not what that says at
that's not what that says if I'm the only one providing it you know it's a
space for them to live that's all that's all I'm providing so then so okay so
that's all a Germans doing is providing the housing so then we get to joy so
you're reading into the record he's reading into the record transcript and
he's misreading what's from the paper stop mr chair i'm i know but just control your client
let him finish him we're going to get out of this all right but i i do want to object because he's
now selectively reading things without reading the clarifying points i noticed that he's not
reading everything i noticed that okay well it's it's in it we've we've submitted i'm saying i said
meredith's had a long statement there you jump past that so i'm saying you know oh not even
that the words that that he's saying out loud aren't what's on the client to please be quiet
all right meredith meredith is perfectly free to read other statements if she wants and yeah
let's go so okay so uh the zoning code prohibits you know apartment you occupy more than three
people blah blah blah um i have a couple questions so you're not outsourcing any of these services
and the first question so you're not okay outsourcing services when i looked at the
building it doesn't even look like it belongs on the block um there'll be congestion traffic living
with total interruption the quality of life on the residential block um neva says you're having
approximately 12 people in a pod that could potentially be unrelated how will you keep
children safe um and um and it appears to say this just says um how will you my job to keep them safe
uh so maris says no if sherman was renting apartments to people it's the same as if he's
he's doing now potentially 12 people with unrelated peoples can you repeat what you said
can you repeat what you said um my job to keep them safe it's not my job um german says my job
um my job to keep them safe it's not
is to provide them to anybody that wants to have housing that's what i'm offering that's a very hard
statement mr german i mean it's a hard statement it's not like my job to keep them safe and gene
allen says in this in the light of the fact that we have three schools in the immediate area with
one within one block how do you plan to vet other than finances who can have access to your rental
units germans the same way i've had any of my other tenants we do background checks make sure
they have they're good residents we manage hundreds of units a lot of them are in parkside
i don't know does anybody hear of any complaints about the neighbors and and our residents and
even says this is a totally different project and german says well we're asking for the same
income requirements we do for anybody else it's just these income requirements are much more
attainable for a lot of people but you know uh we don't want to be in a position where we put
our staff at risk we don't want to do that either putting the entire block at risk by having all
these individuals coming here we know nothing of them let me ask you something mr german would you
like to live next to this facility and he said i would rather live next to a 16 unit building and
neva said that's not what i asked you i asked you would you like to live next to this what
you're proposing unknown speaker it doesn't say please please would you and um uh and then you
you don't you don't know and then wow this is the second most profound thing you've said tonight so
that implies that that's mr yakubov speaking uh that's a reference to him um and and then
he's implying things by with providing no evidence and again this is why we objected to this
transcript because it is it is complete hearsay for him to be reading things into the record
without being able to validate who's making these statements listen we're close to being finished
you will be given ample opportunity to respond to it okay but ample opportunity
mr jacobo says i'd rather live next to a regular apartment building but then uh put nine apartments
their regular apartment building uh and then they went back and forth about can you lower the 16 to
nine uh then um neva says when someone says it's not their job to keep children safe it's profoundly
hard to move past that statement profoundly hard uh then we have
this is Meredith addressing some of the um some of the questions that were in the chat
um one of the questions German will you do research background uh background research
for potential tenants for Megan's law is that something you typically do he says we'd run
general background checks I think Megan's law is part of that um then Andrew Goodman said there
There's a rent question, how much will the rent be?
I believe we're underwriting it,
about $500 a month per bed.
So then we have,
will you have a staff person somewhere in the building
that will overlook regardless to who's paying the rent
or what they will be somewhere,
somebody to overlook what's going on into that home?
And German says, well, we manage all of our properties.
There's somebody nearby our offices at 51st and Lancaster.
he just testified to that earlier that there's other buildings where he has staff but there's no
staff there will be no staff in this building he says nobody on this one building nobody in the
room and german says nobody on this building yet but we will have a caretaker or something like
that then german says we will we're about to start building the 48 unit property which is
in the backyard there'll be somebody on staff there during business hours and then we have
so just we're clear anyone can move into this building as long as they can pay the rent so
can we go on record as saying that this is what you're telling us anyone can move into this
building if they're able to pay the rent they can afford 500 a month they can live here
german says that's correct then neva says is that um baron you said some kind of background check
what would be the stipulation that would prevent you uh what would prevent an individual from being
able to rent a property i think this is the last um portion that we're going to look at
um the question is um you told us anybody who can afford it you can is going to live here
reading no no no i'm just i'm just you're you're testifying right now i'm testifying right now i'm
saying that uh what we're going to see now is back and forth trying to get him to clarify is there
anyone that you would not be okay with is there anyone that you would say no to to live in this
building. Okay, this is where we're at. So unknown speaker, I think this is German, but it says it's
a case-by-case basis. So then Neva says, well, give me an example of at least two cases where
you would not rent based on background check. And German says, it depends on violent crimes that
may be and how recent those crimes may have been committed and the circumstances behind those
crimes that may be committed. You know, nobody's perfect. Neva says, and what's the next violent
crime i mean they've been convicted and served their time so they can they can um they can
they can um they they can they've committed a violent crime you would not rent to them
they've committed a violent crime you would not rent to them and germans
and german says no it's not what that's not what i said and then um german says so in this instance
everybody's case is different if somebody got out of jail yesterday right and for killing someone
i'd want to know what happened right and if if i'm okay with that then they could live in my building
right it varies so it's case um by case and neva says can you at least give us two examples of two
individuals that you would not rent to based on their background check that's the question i'm
asking and german says i'm not sure would have to be a case-by-case basis i don't know i can't
think of every single so neva says give me one example of an individual you would not rent to
that's what you're saying here today on the record that you can't give us an example of one person
you would not rent to based on their background uh that background check and uh and uh meredith
then comes in and says, well, if you respect, there's very specific requirements for the code.
And Neva says, I just want an example of one person that you would not rent to.
And then German says, I think if somebody walks in and then somebody might deny them,
I might approve it, maybe because I like them. So it varies. So it's somebody that I have to end up
managing and I have to make sure they'll be able to pay the rent and that, you know,
they wouldn't damage the property or anything case by case.
Is that the end?
Almost.
To reduce recidivism is to give people who are coming out of jail a place to live
because they need to have a place.
If they come out with an ankle bracelet, they have to have a room and a place to live.
This helps people from recommitting crimes.
German says, I mean, if it's somebody that can afford the rent
and they are more than welcome to stay at my place,
but that's not who we're targeting, not targeting them.