Questions from Mark, sorry?
Not at this time, Mr. Chair.
Questions or comments from the virtual audience or the present audience here?
Yes, Chair. I have a hand up by the name of Linda Montella. I'm going to allow them to speak.
That's the Palmetto Street case.
Okay, we'll get back to that.
But I think there is a hand for this case.
Chair, I have a hand up by the name of Craig Melodosen. I'm going to allow him to speak.
Chair Bergman.
Good morning, Craig. Could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?
Craig, C-R-A-I-G, last name Melidosian, M-E-L-I-D-O-S-I-A-N.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
I do, Chair Bergman.
Please proceed.
I just want to indicate that the consortium does support this. This has been a protracted project.
at a very difficult location and not to be pejorative there are some physical
challenges on this particular block you're looking at the looking north at
the property and going to the west we have two lots that are properly zoned
for the storage of auto vehicles so their vehicles coming right down to
literally the pavement line. That takes you to Lowry Street. Lowry Street has additional auto
repair slash tire business on it that's encroached into the highway. And again, as I said, not to be
pejorative, there is a homeless shelter that at last count had 250 people in it. So it does raise
some unique challenges on that block. And one of the things that we wanted to do was, based on the
operation of the shelter, make sure that people who needed, men who needed to leave the shelter
during the daytime would not congregate in that business, or we would not have someone who would
be sophisticated and rent a room from the applicant and then arbitrage it into a daytime hangout for
the gentleman that had to leave. So there are a number of unique circumstances. I will, you know,
significant structural and L&I violations in it. So we commend him for that. We did talk about
accessibility from the street. I have personally been involved with the installation of an elevator
at 3624 Market Street. So the likelihood of that happening at this type of building is minimal,
but we also talked the concept of a ramp so that we could get an individual into an ADA unit on
the first floor. There were six RCOs and jurisdictional of this. Three of them met on the
Zoom and a fourth one telephonically. And we have put a five-year or asking to have a five-year term
put on it. If it works out, we'd be happy to renew it. We believe that if it does not work out
and he loses his accreditation, either for a licensure and approval of a facilities or agency
to manage it and his compliance with personal care homes, that he'll lose our proviso and
will revert back to whatever the underlying zoning is at the time.
So we've tried to construct as many elements to professionally operate the facility.
We do need additional housing for people in the community that would support these types
of members of Southwest or people who want to move in Southwest.
It may not be an elegant solution, but it seems to be the best that we've been able to craft it at this time over a protracted period of time.
The lot to the east of it is, from what I can tell, is actually held by a speculator.
is from what I can tell, it is actually held by a speculator who bought it from a prior investor
who had property down at the corner. He does not seem to be intent on doing anything.
We believe he simply bought it and is sitting on it for better times. I'm not sure if Kendall
would be able to acquire it, but it was discussed. Thank you very much.
thank you very much for your uh your explanation um anyone else in the audience i see no hands at
this time too planning commission madison matera planning commission staff m-a-d-i-s-o-n-m-a-t-e-r-a
do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
i do you wish to uh change your standing on this nope just wanted to say we have no further
comments okay thank you very much and just um madison just to clarify the the prior comments
were they because this this is now a referral um were the prior comments for that for the referral
for a personal care home or i thought they were for the original proposal with the um single
family plus a single room residence that is still a refusal for rsa3 for personal care home is it
okay then i can i can update the um do you want me to do the testimony now
sure update sure we are gonna we are gonna need to um hold the vote on this one because
mr johns needs to watch the video for today so if you wanted to submit something in writing this
week you could do that okay we can do that yeah just so okay thank you all right good so um
next uh wednesday so we'll um mr johns will be back we'll vote on this next wednesday
at 9 30 a.m and consider it in the executive session okay burn yeah we don't have a quorum
is that the story uh not from from the prior hearing um mr johns was part of the quorum that
yeah heard it so yes i'm sorry about that but next one day may 6th thank you appreciate it thank you
all right we're gonna go back do we number three do we see a hand from number three okay
we're gonna go back to mi 2025 004 497 60 29 palmetto street
and there's the interpreter speaking do you want me to proceed yes could you please uh bring the
is she back
yes chair i'm promoting her to panelists as we speak okay
Could you please have her state her name spelled for this stenographer?
So, it's M-A-R-I-A-L-I-N-A-M-O-N-T-I-L-L-A-N-A-V-A-R-R-O.
Right.
The applicant needs to present additional information,
so could you please have her start with additional information on the project?
Así que el aplicante necesita presentar información adicional,
así que si puede proceder y darnos la información adicional.
i just wonder we are specifically looking for the updated floor plan and additional interior
photos así que solamente para dar nota que estamos buscando específicamente para el
plan de piso actualizado y las fotos de interior adicionales
we make them for plans
and have her trying to explain for us please
so if you can make the image more big and can start to explain
so this is the basement it's just for personal storage
So for the second plan is the ground floor, and there's two bedrooms.
la segunda habitación este es el baño principal y este es el área de cocina y living room integrado
so there's a second there's a second bedroom and there's a main bathroom there's a kitchen
there's a living room
so there's the second floor there's one bedroom um with a living room a kitchen and a bathroom
could she please show us photos of the interior
so this is the kitchen for the second floor and there my son will live with his wife
it's the bathroom of the second floor
so that's the bedroom for the second floor
Y esta es la cocina del primer piso donde voy a vivir yo.
could you please answer is the first and second floor still connected
y el primer y segundo piso están conectados
si entramos por la misma puerta principal que es esta
en la misma puerta principal de la casa
pero están divididas las dos unidades
we're still going through the same front door
but the two units are divided
there's no way
if you're on the first floor
you can't walk up to the second floor
y si usted está en el primer piso
¿usted puede subir al segundo piso?
so yes i can go up but i have to tell them to open the door
i could open it with a key but i can i can go up questions from the board
yes on the first floor um you said it was a living room area and i didn't see that on the
join could you point it out for me so it's a big kitchen living room connected so it's
big space where it's the living room and the kitchen connected any other questions yes um i
have a few questions about living area it does not look like there's a living room for the first unit
and i think i actually brought it up the last time and so i was a little disappointed to not
see that addressed and then on the second floor the room that you have labeled as living room is
So I would like to see the closet removed from that so that it is classified as a living room for that unit.
And that's something that we brought to our attention last time, and I'm a little disappointed that that wasn't been aborded.
In the second floor, you put a room that was titled as a room, but technically it's a room.
So, I would like to remove the closet, or the closet, so that it could be classified as a room in that unit.
ok si puedo remover el closet pero éstas está aquí en el plano
en el plano del primer piso está la cocina con la sala integrada la sala es grande es
muy grande está integrada es cocina y de hecho tiene doble ventanal el área de lo grande que
So, yes, I can remove the closet, but I wanted to go back to the first floor.
Yes, it is a kitchen that has a living room, but the living room space is very large.
There's even two windows that are in the living room.
That's how big the area is.
Can you show that on the drawing that you have up?
Like, where is that big living area?
So, it's kitchen, dining, living room.
It's all three.
Así que nos puede enseñar a dónde está esa área en los planos. Así que cocina, sala y comedor.
Aquí está la cocina.
There's a kitchen.
Y esta es el área.
the space i don't know that i would consider that large as 28 square feet so um you have to leave
walkway for people to get to and from that rear exit door that's required by code so you've really
only got about you know less than 30 square feet of working area which is about the size of a typical
couch these days so i do have concerns there um and i think by because there's no furniture laid
out on this plan um it's sort of hard for people to understand that and yo puedo ver el espacio y
yo no diría o lo consideraría un espacio grande con 28 pies cuadrado así que no da espacio para
dejar un camino para que las personas lleguen a la salida de atrás este también eso es requerido
por código. También cuando algo es un área de 30 pies cuadrados, es un área que se puede
trabajar. Ese tamaño típicamente no puedes poner unos muebles que sean como normalmente
de espacio para esa área. Así que esas son las preocupaciones y yo creo que si hubieran
puesto muebles se pudiera ver mejor ese espacio no tiene muebles porque yo no vivo en la unidad
verdad este pero mide 13 13 fin por 10.8 fin y este espacio todo este espacio está vacío este
espacio que está aquí está vacío y todo este espacio está vacío o sea de todas formas quien voy
a vivir ahí soy yo solamente entiendo la preocupación por supuesto pero creo que tengo bastante espacio
para para mí soy una mujer de 56 años y ya es un solo hijo no voy a tener más hijos a estas
So, I don't have any furniture there because I don't live there yet, but it's 13 feet by 10.8 feet, and there's a lot of space, and there's just going to be one occupant, and that's myself.
I'm 56 years old.
I do not plan on having any more kids at this stage in my life.
So, for me, it's a good enough space for just myself.
Thank you.
questions from our attorney not at this time mr chair questions or comments from the virtual
audience the current audience i see no he is at this time too planning commission
and cemetery planning commission staff i believe we already gave testimony on this
um we did we we did not have testimony okay i can i can give it again please uh the comprehensive
The comprehensive plan recommends no change in the zoning at this location from the current RSA-5 residential single family.
plan recommends no change in the zoning at this location from the current
Así que el plan comprensivo recomienda que no haya cambios en la zonificación de esta ubicación corriente en el RSA-5 residencial unifamiliar.
There is no evidence that the conversion to two family was done with the benefit of permits.
The appellant has not demonstrated that there are unique physical conditions or circumstances of the property that would prevent it from conforming with the zoning code.
The Planning Commission recommends the board deny the requested variance for two-family household living.
Así que el Comité de Planos recomienda que la Junta deniegue el pedido de variancias de una vivienda multifamiliar.
Thank you. MI 2025-004-497-6029 Palmetto Street, I vote no.
Así que MI 2025-004-497-6029 Palmetto Street, yo voto no.
charles gaston my vote is no charles gaston my vote is no tenetagram my vote is no tenetagram
my vote is no tie i win my vote is no thank you thank you interpreter all right is there any other
case that requires interpreter no we're fine today thank you very much thank you for always getting
going for us thank you okay we're going to move to number seven mi2025-006-777-5236 rising
santa avenue zenjin is the attorney
it's a letter of support
from the new 42nd ward
good morning good morning counsel i started to say there's a letter of support from the 42nd the
new 42nd Ward RCO.
Could you just, for the record,
state your name, spell your name
and state it for the interpreter?
My name is Zen Jin, Z-H-E-N,
last name J-I-N.
Do you swear or affirm
to tell the truth, the whole truth,
nothing but the truth?
Could you identify your client
in a relationship to this property?
My client is Rene's Arch Daycare Center LLC,
which is the property owner,
and Mr. Julian Rene is the representative.
our vice chair has a few questions good morning did you uh submit your documents and exhibits
five days in advance of this hearing yes and do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate
to its accuracy i do okay thank you you can share your screen and proceed with your case
thank you i'm going to share with the board what was previously submitted
it should be coming up on the screen sir thank you so again good morning uh my name is nj i'm
representing the application for 5236 rising sun avenue this is an application for use of
an existing building uh for eating and drinking establishment sit-down restaurant
in a rsa3 district although it is zoned rsa3 which prohibits this particular use the unique features
and past history of the property is why after meeting with the rco we received their support
in this particular request the rco's main concern is that there will be no liquor license
obtained for this location which my client does agree with the unique aspect of this location is
that it is actually a commercial building with its own parking in the rear that has been in place