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ZBA Hearing - January 13, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jan 13, 20215h 27m

Good morning everyone. My name is Frank DiCicco. I'm the chair of the Zoni Board of Adjustment.

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I'll be participating in today's hearing along with our Vice Chair Ms. Carol Tenere,

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Board Secretary Confessor Plaza, and Board Members Mr. Thomas Holloman and Mr. James Snell.

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Board Administrator Lakeisha Dandy and Board Attorney Sharon Saleta are also in attendance.

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For those of you who haven't yet participated in one of our virtual hearings,

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I'll go through some of the basics what you can expect. First we will be administering oaths to

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individual participants prior to their testimony. Second we'd like to advise everyone that this

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proceeding is being recorded and that by participating you acknowledge your agreement

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to be recorded. Third for anyone participating by phone if you wish to testify you must raise

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your hand by hitting star nine and then star six to unmute yourself. I'll repeat, for anyone

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participating by phone, if you wish to testify, you must raise your hand by hitting star nine

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and then star six to unmute yourself. Finally, to enter an appearance statement, call Google

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267-270-5548 and leave your email address and the address of the property at issue.

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I will repeat, to enter an appearance statement, call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email

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address and the address of the property at issue. I would also like to advise everyone,

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please do not attempt to testify in the chat. Any comments should be directed to the board

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administrator. In this case, it's Ms. LaKeisha Dandy. Before I begin, just give me a second to

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get my notes together here. All right. With that being said, the following cases have been a

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request for continuance number seven I believe is the first one on our list

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uh two two one seven west tayoga

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uh number eight on our list two three two six north park attorney moving party

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number nine on our list two four oh eight north 31st street number 10 on our list

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2646 North 17th Street

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number 11 on our list

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2709 West Allegheny Avenue

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number 1

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I assume that's apartment number 1 or whatever

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3400 North 19th Street

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4036 Spring Garden

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and i believe that is all the requests for continuance that we have as of now does anyone

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object to any of those to the request for continuances i just read into the record

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if so please raise your hand

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chair we have a jason learner with his hand up mr learner you can speak after you unmute yourself

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good morning i'm sorry i just raised my hand for that uh the swearing in thing i didn't know

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i have to lower it okay sorry individually thank you

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anyone object to any of the cases that we've put into the record as being continued please

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raise your hand there are no hands up at this time chair thank you at this time i'd like to

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ask if anyone is requesting a continuance or withdrawal please raise your hand at this time

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there are no hands up at this time chair thank you we'll first go through our add-on list

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case number 2020 that's 001127 1614 latona street my vote is yes

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my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes thank you uh originally i don't know

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if mr knockinson is on originally we said we would vote on 12 22 annon street uh we're going

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We're going to do that at 2 o'clock.

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to do that at two o'clock we're still reviewing some of the materials that

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We're still reviewing some of the materials that were submitted.

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So calendar number 2020-002499.

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1222 Annan Street.

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The board will make a decision at the 2 o'clock, beginning of the 2 o'clock hearing this afternoon.

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Sharon, there's a request for reconsideration.

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we hear is that for today or

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um that you're going to consider at two o'clock

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all right i think with that again any hands up for requests for continuance or withdrawals

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there's no hands up at this time chair thank you with that we can proceed okay calendar number

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Number 0830, 1344 North 5th Street.

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I have a Steve Masters with his hand up.

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He's been promoted to panelists.

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Mr. Masters, you can unmute yourself and begin speaking.

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mr masters can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name please

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sure good morning mr chair members of the board my name is steve masters m-a-s-t-e-r-s

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my law firm is just laws i represent the applicant in this case do you swear or affirm

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to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do do you also agree to wave and step

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uh not in this case um madam vice chair because we have a revised uh refusal that i want to make

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sure it's the correct one in the record uh for this appeal it is okay okay so this is the december

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17 2020 revised uh uh refusal with two variances yes it's the one that you submitted with your

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exhibit packet including the revised plans that went with it okay then i waive the reading okay

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so you have emailed the exhibit packet with all the required documents including proof of ownership

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tax compliance refusal or referral photos and or plans of the property five days before this

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hearing and you've also met with the rco and have a letter yes that all is correct okay you may begin

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Thank you, let me try to share my screen.

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Members of the board, we're here on 1344 North 5th Street.

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This is a vacant lot on a corner that is zoned for CMX1.

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uh the the commercial use was really not compatible uh for the surrounding neighborhood

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and so we uh proposed um a residential use um initially uh we were proposing four uh dwelling

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units in a in a new construction uh but after meeting with the community we made a number of

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different uh changes to the design and we'll walk through those but now our proposal is for

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three dwelling units at this corner property. So the refusal is two. One of them is

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use refusal because multifamily is not allowed when the surrounding residential zoning is an RSA5.

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And we now have a dimensional refusal because the community asked us to set the house back from the front street and that impinged two feet into the rear yard.

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So we have a seven foot rear yard setback as opposed to the nine foot that's required by the code.

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when we met with the community several times we had good meetings and we

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which resulted in a unanimous vote of support by nine attendees at the community meeting

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and their letter you know reflects the concerns that they had and how

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we have addressed all of their concerns we went down from four to three dwelling units

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we addressed the concern about living space in the basement, we changed the setback to

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uh address the concern about living space in the basement we changed the setback to

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harmonize with the setbacks of the houses in the surrounding lots

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uh let's do the drawings here so um

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is this a good size for for members of the board to to take a look at

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yes yes yes it is all right good um so uh

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that's a these are two different views um of the um of the the elevation of the of the drawings we

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also um i believe have our architect uh available to answer questions if that's uh uh necessary this

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So these are the revised plans that we submitted to LNI in the last few months.

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So we originally had our setback up to the curb and we've moved it back.

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So now we have a dimensional variance of two feet in this open area.

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our changes that we made as i said was the front setback we increased it we decreased the dwelling

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units we reduced the rear setback we slightly increased the building height but it's still

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inside the the limits of the code we added landscaping we made sure that every unit

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had access to outside access through various extra doors.

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We located the find where the utility trench was going to be and just added some more landscaping.

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Photos. So these are our photos for the zoning poster for today's hearing.

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with the refusal

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Masters if you can summarize

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that would be helpful

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sure

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so

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I would

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I would

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submit that they that this use is the best use for this lot. It's the one that the community

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felt completely in support of. And we are asking the board to approve the use variants

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and the dimensional variants in this case.

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Do you have a client?

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Yes, it's Mr. Mello. Can he raise his hand?

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Mr. Mello you've been you can speak now after you unmute yourself okay good morning Mr. Mello

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please identify yourself with a record spell your name uh Stephen Mello M-E-L-L-O thank you

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Mr. Mello, do you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Masters?

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Good morning, Mr. Mello.

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You've heard my testimony this morning.

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Do you agree with it, and do you adopt it as your own?

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Yes.

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With that, Mr. Chair and members of the board, we rest.

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Thank you.

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Any questions from the board?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Would anyone else like to testify in this case?

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If so, please raise your hand.

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There are no hands up at this time, Chair.

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Thank you. Planning Commission?

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Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

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Ian Hegarty, Philadelphia City Planning Commission.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

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I do.

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Thank you. Please proceed.

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mr chair members of the board this property is indicated for commercial mixed use in the

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comprehensive plan the proposed variance is consistent with the recommendation in the lower

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north district plan to encourage housing near parks and recreation facilities so accordingly

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the planning commission has no objection to the granting of this variance thank you very much

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MI 2020-0008301344 North 5th Street, my vote is yes.

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1344 North 5th Street my vote is yes my vote is yes before I go is there a revised plan

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um it is not um Mr. Chair because we went we wrote it to L&I and okay we just want to make

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sure yeah thank you Steve thank you sure my vote is yes my vote is yes thank you Carol before you

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begin i i failed to mention earlier when i did the continuance list leticia were any of the cases

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that i called in to be continued have they already been continued prior to today

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here this is sharon saleta i didn't um indicate it for those cases because in many of them it was

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also by agreement with the rco that they were okay all right very good thank you uh thank you

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uh members of the board um maybe be excused at this point you may have a good day thank you

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Thank you, bye-bye.

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Calendar number 0373-15018, Teresa Drive.

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Anyone here for 15018, Teresa Drive?

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please raise your hand. This is Sharon Saleta. This is also a case for which I have no exhibits

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and that was previously listed on October 7th. Okay. MI 2020-000373

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15018

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Teresa Drive

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My vote is to dismiss

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My vote is to dismiss

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Dismiss

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Dismiss

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Thank you

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Count your number 0

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2037

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1913 West Lehigh Avenue

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We have a Jeffrey Young who I'm promoting to panelists.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Young, you can unmute yourself and speak.

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Mr. Young.

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mr young

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mr mr young i'm sorry yes i was muted uh good morning members of the board uh jeffrey young

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can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name please

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yes jeffrey young y-o-u-n-g 3900 fort road suite b philadelphia pa 19131 i am the attorney for

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the property owner. Thank you. Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but

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the truth? Yes. You also agree to wave and stip? Yes. And have you emailed an exhibit packet with

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the required documents, including proof of ownership, tax compliance, a copy of the refusal

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or referral, photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing? And have

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you met with the RCO and do you have a letter? Yes. So we emailed the exhibit packet. Our packet

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that was emailed did not contain a tax clearance. We were not able to obtain one prior to sending

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the documents, but we do have a tax clearance now that I can show and will send to the board

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after the hearing is over. We have met with the RCO, and we do have a letter of support from the

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RCO. Okay, you may proceed. Thank you. Sure.

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Good morning, Mr. Board, again, Jeffrey Young here for the representative applicant, DRS

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and King Richard Enterprises, LLC, the owner of the property located at 1913 on Wesley

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High Avenue.

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Here is a copy of our deed to show proof of ownership.

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here's a tax clearance i briefly uh mentioned uh we were able to get that tax clearance as

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you see it was issued uh today

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here is the a copy of the refusal um so we were refused uh for having a proposed use of a child

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here is the

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care center um on the first floor of the property located at 1913 west lehigh avenue um the current

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zoning is rsa5 um so we were refused for that use for not being a residential use um on on the

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property. And as you can see here, this is a zoning map of the property. You'll see most of the

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properties are this yellow class, which is RSA 5. However, when I get to the pictures, you'll see

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that this property does not fit the typical RSA 5 characteristics for properties in this

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particular neighborhood. Here are plans for the property. I'll zoom in.

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So folks can see a little easier. Essentially, we are proposing to use the basement and first floor as a child care center. And the second floor has two previously approved uses for apartments. So we will just be reconverting the second floor to that apartment use.

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uh here so there will be two studios apartments essentially about 500 square feet apiece

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here this is a map of the property we'll see we're located on the uh northwest corner of

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garnett and sedgley and also across the street is uh lehigh avenue which is a major uh thorough

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thorough view in North Philly. Here's pictures of the zoning notifications. We posted up to the

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front of the property and also on the side of the property. Here gives you a view looking at

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the property. Again, it's situated here on the corner. As you can see, this property has gates

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on it. The gates were there when we purchased the property. There are signs on the property. Those

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signs are already there when we purchased the property. And as I will dig more into the history

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of this particular property to show that it has never been used since 1937 as a residential,

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as a 100% residential property. Again, here's another view of the property looking north.

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Here is the view of the neighborhood looking west on Lehigh Avenue. As you can see, this is

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approximately a half a block west of the property. To the left here in the picture is another

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child care center in a property that is zoned RSA 5. So our use is not inconsistent with uses that

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are in this particular neighborhood. Again, there's a child care center a half a block down

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in an RSA 5 zoned district. Here's a view of the property on the side of our property in the rear

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looking south on Garnett Street and again this is a directly across the street from our property

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I would want to say southeast of our property there is plenty of parking in this neighborhood

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when the parents will be dropping off and picking up their students so there are no houses on this

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side of Cesslie Avenue here where folks pull up and will be able to to pick up and do drop-off

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again this is across the street from my property is this abandoned uh factory that's been abandoned

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pretty much my entire life um and so we're just trying to you know add some life to this corner

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um in north philadelphia these pictures here are pictures of a child care center that was actually

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already in the facility um this is not current pictures of uh of what we and our design will

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look like, but I just wanted to show that this use, I don't know if it was legal or not, but this

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use was already there in the center prior to my client's purchasing this property. And, you know,

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we had that center, I did not get any complaints from the neighborhood whatsoever. Here is the

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notification that I sent out for the community meeting. Proof of mailing.

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and here i want to get into a little bit more of the property history um so i'll zoom in um as you

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can see uh in 1967 uh this was the first floor was a luncheonette uh with two apartments above

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in 1976 it was a variety store with two apartments above

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And again, in 1951, it was a two-family unit with a restaurant.

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And again, in 1951,

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So, again, this property, you know, the history of this property has never been a residential use.

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100% residential use, excuse me.

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Again, there's another family restaurant and two-family dwelling.

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and attaches our, this is our notification letter from the RCO letting us know when our community

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meeting was. Again, we had our meeting on Wednesday, December 30th via Zoom, and that

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notification was sent out to all RCOs and all neighbors. Here's our letter of support from the

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RCO stating, you know, that they support our project. We had our meeting on December 30th,

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and we did have some technical issues with via Zoom.

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You know, a lot of folks are getting used to this.

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However, we were able to have our meeting

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and the board of the Allegheny West Civic Association

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supported our variance requests.

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We also went above and beyond and flyered the block

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to have our own meeting, again, with neighbors on the block.

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We did have one resident of the block

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to participate in this particular meeting as well

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and showed her support for our project.

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And with that, I'll take any questions.

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Thank you, Mr. Young.

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Do you have a client with you today?

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Yes, Ms. Giovanni Lane should be on.

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Lane, please raise your hand.

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Mr. Lane, you can speak now.

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Hello, this is G.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Spear your last name, please.

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Or it's Lane, L-A-N-E.

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Thank you.

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You're swearing for him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Young.

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Ms. Lane, have you heard my testimony this morning?

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Yes.

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And do you agree with the accuracy of my testimony?

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Yes.

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And do you adopt my testimony as your own?

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Yes, I do.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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any questions from the board no no would anyone else like to testify in this case if so please

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raise your hand chair we have a call-in user

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caller you have been you can speak now you have to unmute yourself

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hello can you hear me okay yeah good morning please identify yourself please identify yourself

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first and last name spell your name for the record yes my name is adrian fernandez my last name is

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spelled f-e-r-n-a-n-d-e-z my first name is spelled a-d-r-i-e-n-n-e swanford neighborhood parcels

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Association RCO and we are one of the one of the five affected RCOs on this for this address you

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swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes please proceed

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okay um we sent our letter in which I hope was red and we're asking that there be a second meeting

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As Mr. Young reported, only one affected address was at the meeting.

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The RCO coordinator did not consult with the five RCOs before making the meeting date of 1230,

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which is the eve of New Year's Eve, and the notice was sent out on Christmas Eve 1224, which is unreasonable.

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There are, the state says there's 29 daycare centers in the area.

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We are saturated with daycare centers.

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I understand the youth history that Mr. Young described.

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However, even on that block, the state of Pennsylvania,

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Commonwealth of Pennsylvania says there's daycare at 1927 Lehigh

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and there's one at 1937 Lehigh.

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One of them is a new construction that was just built.

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And in the immediate area, there's almost 10 daycare centers in, say, like a square of Lehigh, the southern block of Huntington, one block south and one block north, which is Somerset.

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But we see no hardship to find other uses that are not duplicated in this area, especially where there are two other daycares on the block and they were not at the meeting.

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And so one being a new construction by Deliverance Baptist Church, who is a very good neighbor in terms of land use.

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in terms of land use. There's no hardship that has been proven that we need a third daycare center here or this entire building being converted away from residential use.

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There's no hardship that has been...

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I'm unsure because of the documents whether this applicant is going to put one apartment above because we were sent drawings with two apartments which may have been what existed there before.

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We're saying that this is overuse of the variants.

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And also, we don't understand, is a special exception already existing at this address,

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or does the daycare center that's being proposed need a new special exception?

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And have the same question about the apartment.

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So are we talking about two different – are we talking about a multifamily variant

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and a special exception in this hearing?

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um hopefully you have a question it wasn't clear so i can answer that question

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could you please address the issue of the residential unit or unit yes so the residential

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units were previously approved we are not um refused for the residential units we are refused

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for the proposed daycare use um and to um reference miss uh fernandez comments regarding

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other daycare centers in this particular neighborhood, the census, looking at census

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data shows that there is a growing amount of children in this neighborhood. So having a

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center here that with a capacity of about 30 children will not put any harm, cause any

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detrimental harm to any of these other daycare centers in the neighborhood. Most of these centers

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have wait lists for quality centers, what we are going to do is provide a quality daycare center

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at this location. I don't think that we can put, I guess, a cap on the number of quality

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educational institutions that our children in North Philly have. And in regards to the community

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meeting aspect of it, it is the coordinating RCO's responsibility to coordinate the community

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meeting um i sent our request in to the to the uh planning commission um and you know it's the

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coordinator's rco's responsibility to get that information out um now just i want to show here

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uh members of the board i have emails from the planning commission uh december 2nd i asked them

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to you know send me uh who the coordinating rco is um i got a reply back stating it has not been

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assigned as of december 2nd if the project still was not assigned um on december 21st i received

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this email telling us it was assigned to Allegheny West Civic Association, and we scrambled to try to

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put together a community meeting in time, which was put together, and I was given the information

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on December 24th. That same day, I sent out notices to all affected RCOs, mailed notices out to all

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affected addresses, and we proceeded to have our community meeting on December 30th. I think that

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is something that is not of the doing of us or my client. We followed the procedures and rules

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that were placed in front of us to move forward.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else would like to describe?

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Hello.

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Can I please finish?

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Hello.

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I was still talking when Mr. Young cut in.

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I wasn't finished.

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No, no, he didn't cut in.

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We asked him to explain the uses of the residential issue that you raised.

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Yeah, he did, but he also talked about meeting and other things.

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I was not finished.

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So to respond to that problem, we are asking for a second meeting

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because even as of yesterday, Allegheny West Foundation is still excluding RCOs

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and not consulting with RCOs because they sent out emails to selected parties,

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most of them not even RCOs, saying they wanted to have a meeting for 1915 Lehigh.

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So the RCO, Allegheny West Foundation, they're not following the rules.

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does not it doesn't justify the other the other four RCOs being cut out of a meeting to get a

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notice. I would suggest, ma'am, that you raise this issue with the Planning Commission and the

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RCO. I did that. However, we are still asking for a second meeting, especially where there are two

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other daycares on the same block. Just in fairness, just in fairness. All right. Okay. All right.

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Anyone else would like to testify in this case?

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If so, please raise your hand.

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Here we have a Tina Marie Russell.

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Ms. Russell, you can unmute yourself and speak.

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Good morning, Tina Marie Russell, North Central Philadelphia CDC.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed.

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I'd like to, for me, my issue is that, for our issue is that the notification was not done in order of the legal manner.

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I'd like to, for me, my issue is that, for our issue is that

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So there wasn't enough time.

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It has to be enough time for people to receive the mailings.

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So from the 25th to the 30th, especially on holiday time, that was not enough time to assume that people received the mailings.

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I know that I could not make it on the 30th.

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You know, it was just too close.

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We just had a ton of RCO meetings and ZBA hearings, and we had a CDR.

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So it was a lot going on.

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And I really wanted to be able to enjoy one part of this holiday amidst the chaos of COVID.

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So I really wanted to ask for continuance because we really wanted to make sure that we had a full understanding about what's happening in the community because it is in our footprint.

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And we know that some of the community members, we can guarantee you, did not get notification.

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and so that's where we would stand at we would like to see a continuance thank you anyone else

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would like to testify in this case something new and different please there are no hands up at this

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time chair thank you planning commission good morning chair members of the board uh this property

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is indicated for residential multi-family use recommendation in the comprehensive plan um it's

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currently zoned rsa 5 for single family use however um as uh mr young has demonstrated

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there is a history of commercial use in this ground floor space and accordingly we do not

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object to the granting of this variance thank you mi 2020-0020371913 west lehigh avenue my vote is

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yes my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes good luck thank you thank you

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on the next four and five yeah yes calendar number one nine six oh 1915 south 5th street

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and calendar number one eight six nine 1917 south 5th street

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michael mattione is the attorney

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mr mattione you've been promoted to panelist you may speak now

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can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name for the stenographer

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that's uh michael mattioni m-a-t-t-i-o-n-i it's federal reserve bank building 100 north

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independence mall suite 5a northwest philadelphia 19106 do you swear from the tell the whole truth

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and nothing but the truth i do and you also agree to waive and stip yes have you emailed an exhibit

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packet with the required documents uh proof of ownership for both properties tax compliances

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refusals or referrals photos and plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing

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and have you met with the rco and do you have letters yes you may proceed thank you good morning

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Okay, and these are neighboring properties, 1915 is at the corner of 5th and Hoffman,

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1917 is one in from the corner of 5th and Hoffman, and I represent Cliff Lasky, he's

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also on the call, he's the developer, and we have a real estate expert, Jonathan Torrey

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also available to testify. And as you asked the missionary, we did submit the tax clearance

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certificate, which I will bring up for both properties. Okay, and we have tax clearance

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certificate for both properties. And the refusals are very simple. There are one refusal for

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each property. For 1915, it's to have three residential units where one is permitted,

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and for 1917, it's to have two residential units where one is permitted. These are residential

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for sale condominium units, and again, it's one variance on each property, as I described.

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We met with the RCO in November, on November 10th in the rain at an in-person meeting,

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and the RCO letter shows support. It was 13 people in support and one person in opposition

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for both projects.

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Despite this, and despite this vote, the RCO in their letter takes no position.

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Despite this,

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and despite this,

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I will get to that in a minute.

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Here is the site plan for 1915.

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As I said, it's three units, and we meet all of the dimensional requirements.

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It's 38 feet in height.

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we have 20 percent open area we have a rear yard that is 11 and a half feet deep for

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1915 we meet it's 37 feet in height the rear yard's 14 feet deep and we have 25

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open area because it's not a corner property all the requirements are met in terms of dimensional

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relief. The floor plans for both units, and the RCO letter, as I said, it shows the support

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of 13 people, eight tenants, and five residents.

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I don't know why they made a distinction, and the opposition of one person.

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Despite that, the final position by the coordinating RCO is they did not reach agreement, but

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we had overwhelming support of the people who came to the meeting that night.

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The area that this is in, if you start at 5th and Mifflin and work your way south, the

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corner property, that's CMX1. That's a commercial use. But every property after that, 1905, 1907, 1909, 1911, and 1913 are all multifamily and they're all three units. And the property across the street on the corner, 1914 South, 5th Street is also a multifamily structure.

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so in this area and this is our lot in this area you have numerous multifamily that's the two lots

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the one on the corner is 1915 the one one in is 1917 been vacant for a long time

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just showing the site and then the surrounding properties this is 1913 that's a three-unit

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multifamily structure. The houses on Hoffman Street are single-family, and I think that's

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appropriate because it's a small street, wouldn't really support a multifamily use, and as you can

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see, there are both old and new structures on Hoffman Street itself. When you look at the

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neighboring properties, though, you have 1913, which is a new three-unit structure, and then

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When we go and look to the north, you see a row of all multifamily structures, and then you have the quarter commercial unit at 5th and Mifflin, and again, multifamily structures even farther north from there.

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So the properties in this area are generally multifamily on 5th Street.

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There are many vacant lots in this area.

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The vacant lots cause problems such as illegal dumping and crime.

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The variance is necessary for the development of these lots, especially in light of the large number of vacant lots in the area.

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Each property includes an enclosed trash area in the rear yards for the properties as well.

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Again, it fits in with the context.

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The properties have been vacant for many years.

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We did have the overwhelming support of attendees at the RCO meeting.

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The developer will testify that it's not feasible to develop the single-family residences.

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And this situation was not created by the applicant.

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The variances will allow for the development of these properties in conformity with the surrounding properties.

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It's in harmony with the zoning code by creating quality housing, meets the goal of the zoning

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code to revitalize vacant properties.

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It benefits surrounding properties by developing properties.

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It benefits the surrounding commercial units by bringing density to the area and helping

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out the stores such as the Stewart Fifth and Mifflin.

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The area will benefit by removing these vacant properties and the trash and the dumping and other problems that have happened on these vacant properties in the neighborhood.

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And they will not alter the character.

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It's 100% residential, surrounded by 100% residential.

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And the variances are the minimum necessary.

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And the variances are the minimum necessary.

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And again, these properties do comply with all.

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And again, these properties do comply with all of the requirements in terms of height and bulk and open area and things like that.

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So with that, I did want to call on briefly Jonathan Torrey, our real estate expert, if he could be unmuted.

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Matt Ione, could you share the plans with us?

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Sure.

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to skip anything.

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Oops.

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Okay, these are the plans for 1917.

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And as you can see, you have two bi-level units. In the lower level, you have the living area

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and the kitchen, and you have two bedrooms and two bathrooms on the first floor. And then

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you have a bi-level unit above that. These units are about 1230 square feet each.

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You have, above that, you have, again, on the lower level of the bi-level unit,

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you have the living and kitchen area and two bedrooms and two bathrooms, laundry area.

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In the rear yard, you have a trash area.

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And this unit does have a rooftop deck.

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And that's for 1917, the two-unit structure that is one block, one house in from the corner at 5th and Hoffman.

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And then for 1915, you have a three-unit structure where you have, again, in the lower level, you have a living room and a kitchen and two bedrooms.

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That unit is about 1,230 square feet.

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Maybe it's about 1,300 square feet, I'm sorry, because it's a little larger lot.

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A little larger coverage is permitted.

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It's a corner property.

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Again, you have the trash area behind it.

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you have a one-floor, two-bedroom unit on the second floor, and then on the third and

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fourth floor you have, again, a living area with a den, and above it on the fourth floor

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you have two bedrooms and two bathrooms.

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The deck for this is not accessible by the unit owners.

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It's only accessible for the mechanicals.

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It is not a rooftop deck for use by the unit, the people occupying and living in the property.

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It's solely for mechanical access.

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So let me get this straight.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.

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1915 is a three-unit?

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Yes, it's on the corner.

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No, because on our list, it's showing it as a four-unit dwelling.

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So it's three, correct?

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Three units, yes.

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And the 1917?

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Is a two-unit.

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Two units. Okay. Thank you. Sorry about that. No, no, it's not your fault. On the

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notice that we have, it just says structure for use as a four-family dwelling from 1915.

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It's in fact a three-family dwelling. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. 1917 is a,

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1917, I believe. Hold on. 1917 is a three-unit structure. I am sorry.

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So they're both three units?

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Three units, yes.

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Okay, not four units.

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All right.

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Correct.

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1917, 1915 are both three units each.

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All right.

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Before we get into anything else, do you have your client?

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Do you want to ask your client if he adopts your testimony?

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Certainly.

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Mr. Lasky, Cliff Lasky.

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Mr. Lasky, you can unmute and speak now.

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Hello, Clifford Lasky, Ben Franklin Residences, 1453 Point Breeze Avenue, Philadelphia, PA.

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Good morning. Please spell your full name for the sonographer, please.

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Clifford, C-L-I-F-F-O-R-D, Lasky, L-A-S-K-Y.

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Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do.

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Thank you. Mr. Mationi.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Cliff, did you hear my statements?

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Yes, I did.

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And are they true and correct?

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Yes, they are.

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And do you adopt them as your testimony?

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Yes, I do.

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And to be clear, did you want to say, again, the number of units in each of the structures?

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And to be clear, did you want to say again the number of units in each of the

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Yes, to be clear, as you clarified at the end, they're both three unit structures.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Would anyone else like to testify in this case?

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If so, please raise your hand.

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Mr. Disley, you can unmute yourself and speak.

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Good morning, sir. Please identify yourself with the record. First and last name. Spell your last

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name and provide us with your address. My name is John Disley. Last name D-I-Z-Z-L-E-Y. Address

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531 Dudley Street. Thank you. Swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

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about the truth yes sir please proceed um first of all i'd like to um thank the courtroom for

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listening to me and and some of the neighbors um for our concerns for this thing we feel humbled

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and honored that you're listening to us but i also find myself at a disadvantage today due to

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mr lansky's practice of paying people to come to these proceedings and also simultaneously not

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and giving the opportunity for the community to know what's going on.

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I myself did not even know about this hearing

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until I got the word from State Senator Felder the other night.

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So most of us didn't even know that this hearing was coming up

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to even come in to protest against it.

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I'd like to push back against the lawyer's comment

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that he keeps referring to the 13th to one thing.

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That was people that had nothing to do with this area

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or not would be affected by Mr. Lansky's agenda.

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And the one person that was there was the one

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actually bought the paperwork to me to let me know what went down. None of us in the area,

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and I'm the block captain for this area, was allowed to even participate in the last hearing

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on 1927. Neither has any of us. Sir, sir. Yeah, sir. Let me interrupt you.

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Are you suggesting you had no knowledge of a Zoom, of a meeting? Yes, sir. I'm suggesting

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it. I'm suggesting it was deliberate. I'm suggesting it's a tactic that Mr. Lansky

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He has used all the variances that he's obtained thus far in this area here.

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I have proof of the last one, but I wasn't allowed to present it at the last hearing.

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Judson, when were you advised of this hearing?

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Two days ago, once I called State Representative Elizabeth Fielder to tell her that the community is very upset.

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Judson, about what the community has to say.

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You have to speak on your behalf, sir.

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I speak it on my behalf.

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I called on my behalf as the block captain, as someone who has lived here 55 years and has watched what Mr. Lansky and his attorney has done in this courtroom.

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They have falsified their statements.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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Sir, we're trying to give you the opportunity to be heard, but you're making accusations.

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We're asking, you're suggesting again, or not suggesting, you're testifying that you had no knowledge of a community meeting prior to today?

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Yes, sir.

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you received nothing in the mail no letter none of us no one no one in the area

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we can't you can't speak i specifically received no notice there was no notices up out on the

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property which is by law should have been there until the date of the hearing there was no notices

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on any of the properties ever except for one or two days i personally myself took pictures of the

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three weeks prior to the last one.

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And so far as we're talking about in 1915

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and 1917, none of us even

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knew this hearing was coming today.

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I don't want anybody else to know, Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Medellini,

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do you have any photographs of the posting?

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I submitted them

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five days ago. I do have them.

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I'd have to pull up another

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open another file, but I do have all the

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photos showing that the posters were posted.

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They were submitted to Ms. Saletta

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five days in advance of the hearing.

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We also sent out, I think it was around 200 letter notices on November 4th

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for the RCO meeting that was held on November 11th.

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We had 13 people, 14 people show up at that meeting.

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It happened to be a terrible night.

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It was a pouring downpour, and I asked the RCO if they wanted to reschedule,

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and they declined to reschedule, but that was their doing, not mine.

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They wanted to move ahead.

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I'm just trying to look down here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, we sent out six pages of notices on the email notice.

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So, you know, we sent out every notice on every address that was submitted to us by the Planning Commission, and we sent them out, we sent out...

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the Planning Commission and we sent them out. We sent out both for 1915 and 1917 to, you know,

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notice and also 1927 because they had one RCO meeting all together at that time. But we did

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submit and sent in and we had the open posters up. They were posted. We sent in the photos showing

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that they were posted and obviously Ms. Saleta who reviews all of the requirements

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received them and didn't say she didn't receive them excuse me this is Sharon Saleta I did receive

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the packets they did include pictures of the posting I'm forwarding those to the board right

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now by email okay is there anyone else who would like to testify in this case if so please raise

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your hand. Here we have a Carmen Gervasio. Ms. Gervasio, you can speak now. Good morning.

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My name is Carmen Gervasio. Sir, would you please spell your last name and provide us with your

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address? Last name is spelled G-E-R-V-A-S-I-O. I reside at 536 Dudley Street, Philadelphia, PA,

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eight one nine one four eight thank you you swear in the firm to tell the truth the whole truth

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nothing but the truth i do please proceed um i uh just wanted to state that uh john dimley

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who just spoke um is telling the truth i went out looked at uh the property and at the uh the sites

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there was no zoning notifications um we did take pictures and also uh i'd also like to say that

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you know bringing in another multi-unit uh building in our neighborhood is is just going

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to choke us out takes up parking you know you add one unit you're going to add four cars um i think

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there's a little bit too much speculation mr chairman just think uh sir um when did you said

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there was you so there were no postings no we went out um i have pictures dated from

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Let me look.

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December 14th, I don't see any postings of any zoning meetings.

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Mr. Marioti, Sharon just sent us the postings, I think.

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13th and 8th.

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So it wouldn't have been posted on December 14th.

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That's what I'm getting at.

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When was it required to be posted?

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21 days in advance, which would have been the 13th and 23rd, I believe.

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Okay. So we haven't seen any postings at all.

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It was posted, Mr. Chairman. You see the photos that we took when we posted it.

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And the other thing is, Mr. Gervasio is here.

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So, I mean, the goal of the posting is for people to get notice and to be able to appear and testify, and he is appearing and testifying.

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Yeah, that's what I asked the prior witness, the same question, basically.

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How did they know about today?

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okay all right sir thank you anyone else would like to testify in this case please raise your

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hand something new and different that would be helpful here we have a Ross Faber

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Mr. Faber you can speak now morning Mr. Faber please spell your name give us your name and

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address please spell your last name hi uh good morning everybody um you know just like to thank

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everybody for giving me an opportunity to state my testimony. Again, my name is Ross Faber. Last

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name is spelled F as in Frank, A, B as in boy, E-R. And I'm a resident at 610 Dudley Street.

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That's here at 19148, obviously. Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Please proceed.

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Great. Yeah, so I just wanted to take an opportunity. I am fully in support of the multifamily units that Mr. Lasky has planned here. As a resident of the community, I think it benefits us, you know, on several different levels. So I'd like to take an opportunity to address a few things.

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First, and this is something that I wanted to speak to as I kind of thought of it as listening to the previous two testimonies, you know, in regards to parking.

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I live here in the neighborhood, and I got to say, parking is really not that bad.

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Nine out of ten times, I park in the spot in front of my house.

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I'm using a car four, five times a week, so I think that that's pretty good.

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And then on the off chance that I'm not able to park directly in front of my house or on my block, I'm parking within a one block radius of my home.

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Before I lived here on Dudley Street, I also lived at 9th and McKean for a while.

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So a little bit further away from where the proposed listing is, but still within the neighborhood.

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And that same, you know, that same experience applies there.

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Parking, you know, has never been a true issue for my wife and I here at.

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you know, has never been a true issue for my wife and I here at in the neighborhood. So I just kind

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Bye.

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of wanted to take, you know, the opportunity to address that. And I also think, you know, parking

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somewhat to be expected, if you are having challenges with it, this is city living. And I

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know, you know, it's, you know, an inconvenience when, you know, parking can become a hassle if it

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does. But that is, I kind of think a little bit of the shtick of, you know, all of the other

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conveniences of living in the city. So again, wanted to take an opportunity to address that

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from a parking standpoint. You know, and also I think a possible solution there or something to

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help alleviate it, you know, if I know my block specifically is not permitted with Philadelphia

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Parking Authority, but certainly residents do have the opportunity to petition and create that

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permit parking for a specific block should the residents of a block, you know, have a majority

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petitioned to create that. And that could greatly reduce the amount of transient parking in the

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area, which should help alleviate some of that congestion or issues, you know, if other residents

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of the neighborhood are experiencing issues with that. So again, that kind of addresses my thoughts

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around parking there. Also wanted to take an opportunity to address just the nature of vacant

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lots in the neighborhood. I think that this is something whether you are for or against, you know,

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Mr. Lasky's plans here, vacant lots are attracting crime in the neighborhood. I witnessed,

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you know, on several occasions, you know, drug use in vacant lots, an extreme collection of trash

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and, and not just, you know, paper items or, you know, like normal garbage items. We're talking

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about TVs, mattresses, you know, other large, you know, kind of appliance nature things. It's just

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a real eyesore in the neighborhood. And any sort of development on these vacant lots is going to

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help to, I believe, reduce, you know, the crime activity that is happening in these vacant lots

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because, I mean, they're easy to kind of submerge yourself and kind of remove yourself from, you

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know, kind of the public view of people walking by. Also should help to just clean the neighborhood

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up, you know, which I think is something I think all Philadelphia residents would be interested in

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it's just getting cleaner neighborhoods. You know, and with that, you know, these are for sale

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condo units, they are not, they're not rentals. So to me, that translates into long term permanent

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residents in the neighborhood that are going to care about their community, more than maybe,

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you know, a rental property might or, you know, just gets more people involved in planning for

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a better tomorrow within our community. So all on board, you know, with that, you know, and as

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they become for sale, you know, I'm not sure how they stand with the tax abatement. But that's

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certainly something that piques, you know, my interest as well, you know, in a long term,

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you know, view, this city needs more residents that are going to become permanent residents that

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are not, you know, not renting their homeowners, they have an investment in the city. And I know

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with an abatement um the tax uh you know base kind of stays low um you know until some of those

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start to phase out um but when we look out on a longer term horizon um as these tax abatements are

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expiring um the city will generate more tax base which should help um you know address some of the

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issues with our streets um with some you know maybe trash collection issues and you know some

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other things happening that i'm sure are a great concern for all of us um you know in the community

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so um you know again that's on more of a long-term horizon um but trying to to keep some of that view

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as well, because I think that that helps us all keep our intention, you know, a little bit more

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pure, you know, when you think about what is really, you know, what is really good for this

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area. Also, Mr. Matt, you know, you know, kind of mentioned this, and I would like to echo that as

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well. The density that multifamily units create in this city, you know, extremely important as

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we think about supporting the local small businesses in our vibrant community, you know,

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tons of local family owned. Mr. Faber, I, I apologize for interrupting you. I appreciate

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your testimony. We have a number of other cases. I just have a question for you. Yes. Did you see

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any postings for the meetings? You know, I'll be honest with you, chairman. I work from home.

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And the only time I really leave is to go drive to the grocery store. I'm not really I haven't

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really in the recently been out walking through the neighborhood so the answer would be no but

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that's not to say that they are not out there i just okay that that's helpful thank you okay

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and uh okay thank you uh anyone else something new and different please um here we have a tyler lane

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mr lane you can unmute yourself and speak uh hello good morning mr lane please identify

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yourself with a record name and address yep good morning uh name is tyler t-y-l-e-r last name lane

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Yep. Good morning. Name is Tyler, T-Y-L-E-R, last name Lane, L-A-N-E. Address is 608 Hoffman Street, Philadelphia, P.A.

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Yep.

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Swearing, affirm, to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

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Swearing, swearing, affirm. And Mr. Faber, you know, he hit a lot of the points I was going to kind of reference here.

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but you know just to reiterate what he said it's a huge concern in the neighborhood just with the

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amount of trash regarding the vacant lots they're incredibly poorly maintained he's spot on that

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there's drug use in them transit people walk through all the time I see them disappear into

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the vacant lots who knows what they're doing I've heard of people going into vacant lots then they

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go to the house next door and break in through the backyard it's just it's a mess so the more

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this neighborhood can move forward progress bring new people in that's what makes a neighborhood

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great right you want different kinds of people um and uh that's just better for everyone so i don't

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really see any harm to a long-term vacant lot being developed it's condos so it's going to be

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people who are invested in the neighborhood um it's going to reduce crime uh in that immediate

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area. And to the point of parking, I totally agree with what the gentleman before said.

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My view is you live in a city. I mean, if you're so concerned about parking, you know, there's a

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great state called Delaware where you can park wherever you want with no trouble. So, you know,

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move out of the city if it's that big of a concern. I don't get it. It's South Philadelphia.

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It's not about parking. It's not the place to live if that's all you care about. So I just

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wanted to add you know it was most understood i've lived here 75 years so i'm very familiar with that

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okay anyone else like to testify something new and different please share we have a stacy harper

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please identify yourself first and last name and address oh can you hear me

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yes ma'am hello my name is stacy harper s-t-a-c-e-y h-a-r-p-e-r and i reside at 528

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dudley street you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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yes i do please proceed yes my main concern is i've been here for 20 years and it's really hard

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to believe that within Hoffman Street and Dudley Street there's never anywhere to park but I guess

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everybody has their own opinion but sir like I said I've been here for 20 years my main concern is

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I've seen parking wars I understand that trying to beautify the neighborhood and I'm all for

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getting these lots together and you know you understand what I'm saying sir and doing certain

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things for us but it's it's a congestion and it's i've seen wars and i've seen it go like

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almost to a deadly point like that's just my major concern it it is a problem and it's scary

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so that's basically what i wanted to say also not knowing about these meetings i just found out on

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last night about this meeting from uh block captain and i'm also the co-captain and that's

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basically what I wanted to say, sir. Thank you for your time. Thank you. I think we're going to

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have to move on. Appreciate everyone's testimony. Questions from the board? No. Yes. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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Counselor, do you have any reason why the RCO took no position?

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i didn't hear you breaking up a little bit why did the rco took no position i don't know why

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mr holland because it was a 13 to 1 vote in support of the people that came that night

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they have their letter of explanation which i can pull up um in a second um but they just took no

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position, despite the overwhelming number of people

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who came out in a pouring torrential downpour to come to the meeting.

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So I don't have

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any explanation beyond. This is their letter. Let me

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and they talk about

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could you summarize

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They talk about presenting the plans in the neighborhood.

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They talk about presenting the plans, and the neighborhood suffered.

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They seem like the RCO itself, and not the people who attended the meeting, but the RCO people don't want to have a multifamily structure there.

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That's the RCO, but as you can tell and see, the people who showed up, 13 people showed up,

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14 people showed up, and it was 13 to 1 in support.

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I mean, so it was, the RCO said they did not come to agreement on the appeals.

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The committee needs further assurance that affordable condo construction is really what will occur.

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I mean, short of Mr. Lassie testifying as he did, saying that that's what he's going to do,

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um um yeah i don't know what else we we could tell them in terms of um you know this would be

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a he specifically said this would be a a condominium for sale unit building as they as

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they requested not that that's a zoning issue because it's not but um yeah and he explained

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and everybody there who came out that night supported the uh the application so

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So they didn't really, they just took no position.

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They didn't oppose it.

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They just took no position with respect to it, despite the overwhelming people.

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They did make a point of eight of the people happened to be renters and not owners,

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but I don't know that you can make a distinction between somebody who rents

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and somebody who owns.

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I don't think that's a proper distinction to make either.

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So, again, there is no, they had some concern about developers developing multifamily structures in the community, but they did not come out and say they opposed it either.

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They just took no position.

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So, again, it was supported by the overwhelming number of people that came out that night.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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Sorry.

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Excuse me.

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This is Sharon Saleta.

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Can I ask a question?

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um Mr. Mattione are you saying that there are going to be three units in each structure

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I want to clarify that make it clear in 1915 on the corner there's three units

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1917 we had a mess up it is two units that's what the plans show that's what it is

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1915 is three units 1917 one in the reason for less density is because it's not on the corner

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it's two years I want to make that clear so we're all on the same page okay I just wanted to point

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out that there's a discrepancy with the refusal um the refusal for 1915 refers to four units not

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three three units okay so if the board were to approve it it would be with a proviso maximum

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of three units just to clarify i had i had the same question earlier yeah yeah all right thanks

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for clearing it up thanks sharon uh planning commission

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good morning members of the board mr chair ian hegarty philadelphia city planning commission

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this property is indicated for single family use in the comprehensive plan

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during a neighborhood ride wide rezoning in 2019 the property was rezoned to rsa5

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indicating an intentional decision to retain single family use in the vicinity on this block

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We believe that a variance is actually not necessary to enable viable economic use of

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the property, and that this is evidenced by a recently constructed single-family building

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at 1921 South 5th Street.

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At the very least, we believe that the proposed variance does not represent the minimum variance

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that would afford relief.

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And so accordingly, we recommend that the variance be granted, but with the condition

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that each property contain no more than two dwelling units.

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thank you uh

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mi 2020 that's zero zero one nine six zero one nine one five south fifth street my vote is yes

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uh with the proviso maximum three units and mi 2020 that's zero zero one eight six nine

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1917 South 5th street my vote is yes with a proviso maximum two units

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my vote is yes with proviso on both cases yes with proviso to both yes with proviso

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on both cases yes with proviso to both cases thank you Mr. Chairman

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Thank you. Calendar number 0644-2033, East Wishart Street.

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There's no heads up at this time, Chair.

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I have a feeling we're going to say that. All right. Has this case already been continued?

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I have a feeling we want to say that. All right. Has this case already been continued?

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Yes, it has. Okay. MI 2020-000644-2033 East Wishart Street. My vote is to dismiss.

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My vote is to dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss.

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so we are going to number 10 number 13

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number 13 calendar number 0547 3761 glenn street

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and this is one i have no exhibits and it was previously listed on august 5th and october

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13th. No hands are up. There are no hands up at this time, Chair. Thank you. MI 2020-000-547-3761

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Glen Street. My vote is to dismiss. My vote is to dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss.

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Calendar number 0256-4827 North 7th Street.

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i have no record of having received exhibits and it was previously listed on october 7th

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yep no hands up at this time chair and if you look at the appellant in this case as was two

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cases prior and many other cases it's always the same all right mi 2020 that's 000256

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4827 North 7th Street. My vote is to dismiss. My vote is to dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss. Dismiss.

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Thank you. Number 16, Carol. Okay. Calendar number

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1-9-4-6-5-2-18 Florence Avenue.

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I received an email this morning from Andrew Goodman of Councilwoman Gauthier's office saying

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that the councilwoman has no objection thank you chair we have rachel pritzker here good morning

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miss pritzker you've been promoted to panelists you may speak now good morning miss pritzker can

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you put your name and address on the record and please spell your last name sure good morning

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uh rachel r-a-c-h-a-e-l pritzker p-r-i-t-z-k-e-r 1635 market street suite 1600 philadelphia pa

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19103. Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Do you agree

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to wait through reading the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy? Yes. And have you also submitted

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the exhibit packet with the required documents, including proof of ownership, tax compliance,

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refusal, or referral, photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing,

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and have you met with the RCO, and do you have a letter? Yes, yes, and yes, but we do not have a

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letter. I've tried to get in contact with them. I appreciate that the councilman's office at least

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has some response to this, but we weren't able to receive the letter, although we did reach out.

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Okay, you may proceed. Thank you. I'm going to share my screen.

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Okay, this is 5218 Florence Avenue, let's get up to the refusal.

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This is an RSA 5 property.

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It's currently a vacant lot.

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It is between two existing structures and the proposal is for to construct a new two

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unit structure on the lot. Our only refusal was for use as the board is well aware, you are not

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allowed to have a two-family household living in RSA 5. This was our application for appeal.

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As it's important to note, again, this property was remapped in 2019 in December. Before that,

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it had been RM1, which would have permitted multifamily by right. There is other multifamily

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nearby. 5037 Florence is a three-family, which was recently renovated. 900 South 51st Street

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is a new construction multifamily. Also on this block on 52nd and Florence, 1000 South 52nd Street

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and 1004 South 52nd Street are also multifamily, in addition to 1016, 1028, 1032 South 52nd Street.

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So as such, and given the direct relationship to the commercial corridors, 51st and 52nd Street,

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we proposed two units. We met with the community on, I think it was November 17. Here's the tax

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on, I think it was November 17. Here's the tax clearance. There's a balance and we actually

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clear.

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had it paid as you can see. So we are in good standing tax wise. Here's our deed. Again,

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this is the site here. There's RM1 in the corner and CMX2. So we do believe that the

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area can support the extra density. And here's photos of the lot. Obviously, this is an infill

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development site. Given sort of also the depth of the lot and the size of these buildings, a

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brand new new construction single-family home would sort of be out of character and sort of

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out of the price point that's currently available in this area. There's not a whole ton of new

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construction, so this will add additional more affordable units to the neighborhood. We met

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with the RCO, which was the 51st War Democratic Executive Committee on November 17th. There was

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no major objections at the meeting. It was actually a really productive meeting. However,

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unfortunately, we were unable to get them to issue us any sort of a letter one way or the other.

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Mr. Benjamin did apologize for that, but I wasn't able to obtain anything from him yesterday or the

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day before when we spoke. We sent out 137 pieces of mail. And again, we're looking to just do

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two units on the site. I want to pull up the plans for the board as well. Again,

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ground up new construction, two units to provide more affordable housing. We'll be setting back

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the third story given this is a two-story block and the only refusal we have is for use. No

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dimensional variances are requested. I don't really have anything else for the board. I do

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have the owner on the line if I could just have him swear or sign in and adopt my testimony and

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then I would be happy to take any questions. Do you see a, I don't know if he called in,

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his name is Gertie, G-E-R-T-I. If you could raise your hand.

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Rachel, in the interest of time, I'm...

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Can you unmute yourself and speak?

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While we're waiting for your client to get on, the facade of the building,

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I notice the property is on either side of your client's application.

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Is it set back, the porch?

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Yeah.

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Well, the porch is in line with the existing porches, and the third story is set back.

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I was more concerned with the first floor.

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It's set back.

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The porch is match up with the properties on either side.

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Okay.

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Correct.

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Yep.

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If your client is not on, is he on?

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I think he's trying it in the part why don't we do this not to interrupt you as an officer

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of the court will stipulate that your client would have adopted your testimony

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excuse me this is Sharon Saleta I have to clarify something the email from Councilwoman

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Gauthier's office actually said that she had no objection to the hearing going forward today

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she didn't state a position on the project itself

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anyone else would like to testify in this case if so please raise your hand

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chair i have someone with the name gne real yeah that's the owner

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you can unmute yourself and speak

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hi everybody hi please identify yourself for your record name please first name dirty g-e-r-t-i

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last name Tefa, T-E-F-A. Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but

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the truth? I do. Ms. Pritzker. Have you heard my testimony today in front of the board? Yes.

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And do you adopt it as your own? Correct. And just to reiterate the chairman's concern,

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just want to put on record that the porch will be in line on the first floor with the adjacent

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properties is that correct that is correct yes that's fine thank you thank you questions from

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the board no no no anyone else would like to testify in this case if so please raise your hand

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there are no hands at this time chair thank you planning commission

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ian hegarty philadelphia city planning commission chair members of the board this property is

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Chair and members of the board, this property is indicated for single-family use in the comprehensive plan.

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indicated for single-family use in the comprehensive plan.

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The zoning was actually changed to RSA 5 in 2019 with community support through a neighborhood-wide rezoning.

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We don't believe that this lot presents any unique physical circumstances or conditions,

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and furthermore, no variance is necessary to enable viable economic use of the property.

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Accordingly, we recommend that the board deny the variance.

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Just to comment to that, again, just want to reiterate that as actually part of the comprehensive plan of the university's southwest district plan, they want to eliminate plight and vacancy, especially vacant lots.

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This has been a longstanding vacant lot, and we believe that it's not an overuse of the property and would help to revitalize the area.

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MI 2020-001946, 5218 Florence Avenue. My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. Thank you. Thank you. Calendar number

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0237-7246 Charles Street.

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We have a Jason Lerner here.

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Mr. Lerner, you've been promoted to panelists. You can speak after you unmute.

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Mr. Lerner, can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name, please?

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Yes, Jason Lerner, L-E-R-N-E-R, address 7718 Caster Avenue, Philadelphia, PA, 19152.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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yes i do have you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance a copy of the

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refusal and referral photos and plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing

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and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter do you have a letter yes i've uh yes to

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everything except the letter okay i'm assuming i have an email from them that said they approved

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or they're in favor of it okay sorry are you an attorney you're an attorney me no

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um mr lernard you are listed as a co-owner on the um deed that you submitted can you

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can you confirm that that deed is current because the ob because the ob could i interrupt for a

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minute someone someone has your mic open mic and we're getting feedback i think mr lernard

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Do you have something else down in the background?

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I do not.

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Hold on.

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Is that better?

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Yes.

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Yeah, I'm sure I didn't mean to interrupt you.

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I couldn't hear.

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Okay, Mr. Marder, I just wanted to ask, you and Mr. Pollack are the current owners.

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Is that correct?

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I'm sorry.

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Hold on one second.

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I can't hear.

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hello ah that's much better

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hello hi um i just wanted you to confirm that you were the current owner because um the opa

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opa owner is listed as anthony cannelleri but it appears that you bought the property

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in 2017 is that correct that is correct yes okay thank you

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you are the owner sir

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hello

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on the deed he appears as the co-owner is it is it a lc no it is not it's two individuals

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mr lerner can you hear me yes okay carol okay sir can you put your name and address on the record

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and spell your last name you already did yeah well i already did that so well wait a minute frank so

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you're already sworn in you said you weren't an attorney and you've emailed everything in the

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exhibit packet and so you may proceed okay um i bought a property at 7246 charles street

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in 2017 and when we bought it it was as a duplex lived in both floors were lived in we had two

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leases um we've had refuse bills since we bought it um we have

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We have rental licenses since we bought it for two units, and we went to get our license

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No, there's...

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last year and they said that the property wasn't zoned and that we had to just go through

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this process in order to get the zoning to be a duplex as originally built.

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so have any exhibits you can share with us um i sent everything emailed to you guys i don't know

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how else to share it it's a charles street off of frankfort avenue um charles street is one street

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east of charles avenue it's right at cotman avenue right at the santucci's it's so there's

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santucci's and then this property okay um right at like frankfurt and cotman basically okay

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is is your partner steve pollack yes my partner is steve pollack yes the attorney steve pollack

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uh not not the attorney okay steve pollack from uh the big law firm he gets that all the time though

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all right no i was just curious because i know he well he's a zoning guy isn't he that's the

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yeah well i thought i wish it was him well i thought it was unusual that not have exhibits

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that's why it is yeah um sharon we don't have anything in the file with an exhibit that we

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can look at i can um email it to now if you'd like i don't know there's a board we need that

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we think we need to see that i mean it's already been obviously they're coming in for legalization

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on a property it's been used multi-family for a number of years right i think it was

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boarded sheriff sale i'm okay yeah any objection

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all right any questions from the board no no one else would anyone else like sorry anyone else

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like to testify in this case? If so, please raise your hand. There are no heads as of

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now, Chair. Thank you. Planning Commission? Ian Hegarty, Philadelphia City Planning Commission.

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The property is indicated for single-family use on the zoning plan and the comprehensive plan.

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While it doesn't appear to present any unique physical conditions, it also appears to have

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a long-standing use as a two-family building so accordingly we have no objection to the granting

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of the variance. Thank you and thank you very much. MI 2020 that's 000237-7246 Charles Street

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my vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. Thank you I believe

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that concludes the 930 list. Lakeisha do we have anything else to do? Thank you very much guys.

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can i leave yes you can yes you can leave thank you have a great day that's all chair

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okay any questions to anyone board members no all right see you all two o'clock

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thank you good afternoon everyone my name is frank di chico i'm the chair of the zoning board

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of adjustment i'll be participating in today's hearing along with our vice chair miss carol

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Tenere, Board Secretary Confessor Plaza, and Board Members Mr. Thomas Holloman and Mr. James Snell,

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Board Administrator Leticia Dandy, and Board Attorney Sharon Saleta are also in attendance.

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For those of you who haven't yet participated in one of our virtual hearings, I'll go through some

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of the basics of what you can expect. First, we will be administering oaths to individual

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participants prior to their testimony. Second, we'd like to advise everyone that this proceeding

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is being recorded and that by participating you acknowledge your agreement to be recorded.

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Third, for anyone participating by phone, if you wish to testify you must raise your hand by hitting

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star nine and then star six to unmute yourself. I'll repeat, for anyone participating by phone

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If you wish to testify, you must raise your hand by hitting star 9 and then star 6 to unmute yourself.

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Finally, to enter an appearance statement, call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address and the address of the property at issue.

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I will repeat that as well.

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to enter an appearance statement call google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address

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and the address of the property at issue i would also advise everyone that please do

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and the address of the property at issue.

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I would also advise everyone that please do not attempt to testify in the chat.

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Any comments should be directed to our Board Administrator, Ms. Lakeisha Dandy.

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Before I begin, I'm going to read off a list of cases that there's been a request to be continued.

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Number three on our list, MI2020-001714.

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1608 North 27th Street, MI 2020-001-870, 1643-51 North 6th Street, MI 2020-002-599-2740

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Amber Street and MI 2020-001513, 3642 North 21st Street. Is there anyone who objects to the

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continuances? Any of the continued cases I just read into the record? Please raise your hand at

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this time? No hands at this time, Chair. Thank you. With that, I will call calendar number

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2020-002-499-1222 Annan Street. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. My vote

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is yes um excuse me this is sharon i had a call from tom just now he is having um computer problems

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he's going to try to sign in on his phone okay uh get anything back on duval street yet um yes

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it appears that that is going forward i apologize for the mistake there are um three duval street

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properties one two and ten so are they they're all being heard together yes yeah so it's number

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one number two and number ten on our list carol but we're going to go out of order at the request

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of the attorney on lancaster avenue case all right okay all i'm trying to do is find

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calendar number nope i got the wrong one i'll read it in and then we'll go from there

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i have it i just found the calendar number 0945 3965 lancaster avenue thanks frank

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chair we have meredith ferliger

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Meredith, you've been promoted to panelists. You can unmute yourself and speak.

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Meredith, can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name, please?

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Sure. Meredith Ferliger, F-E-R-L-E-G-E-R, 1500 Margaret Street, Suite 3500E.

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Thank you. Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I sure do.

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Do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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I do, yes.

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And have you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership, tax compliance, refusal, referral, photos, and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing?

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And have you met with the RCO? And do you have a letter?

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We sure do. All yes to all of the above.

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Okay, you may proceed.

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Okay, great. For the administrator, I will need Adam Perlman at some point unmuted. And then there is a phone number that ends in 0933. At some point, I'm going to need them unmuted as well. Adam Feinstone, if you want to try and start getting unmuted now, I know you aren't sure how to do that, star nine and then star six.

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Okay. Mr. Perlman and Mr. Feinstone, I see, but the phone number you spoke of, I do not see.

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Oh, well, if you see Feinstone, then that thing, then forget about the phone number.

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Okay.

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Perfect. Good afternoon, members of the board. I do appreciate your accommodation. I have a

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hearing in Lehigh County later this evening, so I do appreciate you agreeing to hear this first.

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My name is Meredith Ferliger with Dilworth Paxson. I am here today on behalf of SAM Development LLC,

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the owner of the property that is represented here today by Adam Perlman. Now the request,

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oh let me share my screen of course.

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Okay the request before the board today concerns a recently constructed building at 3965 Lancaster

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Avenue in West Philadelphia that I do have up on the screen. Although the request today is a common

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one, we do come to you today without the support of the community, the councilwoman, and I also

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the councilwoman, and I also suspect without the support of planning. So to that end, we do need

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suspect without the support of planning. So to that.

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to provide some detail to this request, which I hope the board will see represents a true and

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considerable hardship to my client's property. Now, the board should have an exhibit packet

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with 20 exhibits that I'll refer to throughout the presentation. I'll start first with some

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background and then I'll ask my client and their representatives to assist with the rest of the

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presentation. Now, as the board can see in the plans that I've provided at tabs four and five,

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four being the site plan, five being the building elevations, as well as the permit history at tab

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12, this building recently completed by right construction as a 10-unit residential dwelling

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building with a large, nearly 2,000 square foot ground floor commercial space.

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Meredith? Yeah. I hate to cut you off. Is there any way that you can make your picture a little

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larger? Yeah, sure. I mean, let me switch to the next view. Is this a little better? That's better.

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Thank you. Okay. If you refer to the aerials that I've brought up on the screen here at tab 8,

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you'll see that this building sits at the busy convergence of Lancaster Avenue, North 40th Street,

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Haverford Avenue and Mount Vernon Street. If you refer now to the zoning map that

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I'll bring up on the screen as well, the property is zoned CMX2 and is

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surrounded by other properties either zoned CMX2 or RM1. Now the initial

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zoning permit for the development was issued in October of 2018, over two years

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ago at this point. We're coming before the board today to request a variance to

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permit SAM to convert the ground floor commercial space into four one-bedroom residential units,

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each roughly 500 square foot or so, give or take. These units would be similarly appointed to the

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recently constructed units, which I'll just briefly show you here. And this is tab 12 here,

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so just so you get an understanding. Obviously these are brand new units that were just built.

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Now, with respect to the application, we did receive two refusals.

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Because the property is zoned CMX 2, the ground floor commercial use is required.

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We also received a refusal for the proposed increase in the number of units.

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Now, we do submit to a considerable hardship here that we'd like to take you through.

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In addition to some other factors, the timeline is critical to establishing our hardship.

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Now, Adam Perlman, are you unmuted now?

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Mr. Perlman, you can unmute yourself and speak.

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Mr. Perlman?

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yeah can you guys hear me yes we can Adam can you just put your name and

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address on the record and the the chairman will swear you in

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would you please spell your last name

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we're in a firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes

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Thank you. Now, as I mentioned, the zoning permit for this development was obtained in 2018.

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I'm going to take Adam through a description of their efforts of leasing the space over the last couple of years.

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Now, Adam, when did you first start attempting to lease the space?

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I started talking with commercial realtors almost immediately.

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um a couple different organizations uh compass jg caldwell banker delphi um just to to have them

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without signing an exclusive listing agreement just have them gauge interest from potential tenants

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um and that was back when we purchased the property in february of 2018 okay and

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And what were some of the measures that you used early on to attempt at leasing the space

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once you did get more into the formal end of starting to lease it?

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So we kind of left the space as an open shell, but we designed it for a potential restaurant

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tenant we have a three foot by three foot exhaust shaft going from the vacant commercial space up

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the vacant commercial space up to the roof. We had PGW stub in a commercial gas line

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to the roof we had pgw

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for a potential restaurant and we installed all storefront windows and left the space vacant

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so that a commercial tenant could have a custom fit out. We offered $250,000

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dollars for a commercial fit out to any tenants. And we've just, we haven't seen any interest

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in over two years. Okay. And, and did, you've answered a couple of my questions in, in your

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testimony. Did any of the prospective tenants where you did have any interest, did any of the

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prospective tenants give you a reason that they weren't interested in your space?

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No one provided any feedback why they didn't follow through with their interests. We had a

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couple different types of tenants. We had office space, daycare, restaurants.

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um no nobody said anything about the space or the rents when we asked for business plans or

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formal letters of intent nobody ever followed up okay thank you now before i move on with adam

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our first hearing before the board was originally scheduled for sometime in september for this case

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now as a result of the community meeting and discussions with the council office

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we agreed to request a lengthy continuance to allow Adam and his team to tap into additional

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community resources that the Councilwoman graciously provided to us in seeking to find

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a tenant to rent the space. Now in particular, the Councilwoman's office put Adam in touch with

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five area business organizations. These included Lancaster Avenue 21st Century Business Association

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CDC, Mount Vernon Manor CDC, the Enterprise Center, West Philadelphia Financial Services

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Institution, West Philadelphia Corridor Collaborative. Now, Adam, did you end up

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contacting all of these organizations? Yes, I emailed and called every organization

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and followed up multiple times.

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I did receive a few responses,

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but nothing ever actually came to a potential viable tenant.

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We heard there was some interest from different restaurants.

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We heard a bank might be interested.

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We were willing to pursue any commercial tenant.

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We just never actually received any interest.

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Okay. And did you also try and work with the RCO that had been assigned to us for this, which is also a business-oriented group, People's Emergency Center?

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Yes. We spoke with Kevin and James and Dante at the RCO meeting.

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I met Dante at the commercial space probably a few days after the RCO meeting where we decided to delay the ZBA hearing for four months.

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Dante toured the commercial space with me and the rest of the building.

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We discussed potential tenants, and I followed up with Dante a few times.

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he he was trying to find tenants he said he had restaurants that might be interested or

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different grocers that might be interested a bank that might be interested nothing ever came from

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that I emailed and called Kevin and James multiple times Kevin's voicemail wasn't available but I

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left James a couple voicemails I was never able to get in touch with Kevin or James okay now the

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I did include a record of the fairly extensive email correspondence that Adam referred to

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at tab 18 of my packet. And you'll see if you had the ability to review this history that

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Adam had continuous follow-up with all of these organizations over the course of the last

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four months. Now, Adam, before I move on, I want to make this clear. What was your intent for the

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space when the structure was first built and approved? We 100% built this space for a commercial

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tenant. It's currently a shell that's roughed in for a commercial bathroom, a commercial space with

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floor drains, gas line, the duct shaft going through the building.

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the duct shaft going through the building. We designed it with these storefronts to be a

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commercial space facing a busy intersection. We really had every intention and every hope of

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finding a commercial tenant. But at this point, it's pretty clear that after two plus years,

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we we don't have any interest and and there's no sign of any interest that we're going to find a

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tenant it'll be difficult to try to convert this into a residential space and it's unfortunate that

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there is no commercial interest but at this point we really don't have any other options

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than to file for this variance. Thank you. Adam Feinstone if you can get yourself unmuted now.

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Meredith, before you go any further, the photo that you have and what we're looking at now,

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is that the current condition of that first, that ground floor?

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Adam, can you see the screen here? This was a photo from the listing. It shows the shell

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condition of the commercial space. The commercial space is cleaned out. The walls are all painted.

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it's a vanilla box. The floor is stoned so that we could rough in plumbing so we didn't pour the

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slab in here but the the shell is in a standard commercial vanilla box.

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Okay so you haven't begun any, and correct me if I'm wrong, any partitions that would

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basically reflect what you're requesting. You haven't divided the ground floor

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into what would, if you were approved, into the four one-bedroom. Is that correct?

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Correct. It's a complete open shell right now. Okay.

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We'd love to put them in. And my other question is, what is the size of the one-bedroom units

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your your your proposal let me let me bring up we we did put together just a basic schematic floor

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plan um so the units would vary from 471 square feet 490 514 508 and mr chairman i am going to

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have adam um talk a little bit about where those sizes came from a little bit later in the

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presentation okay thank you um adam finestone are you unmuted ready to talk

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adam you can unmute yourself and speak

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can you hear me we sure can name and address for the record please and the chairman will swear you

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in adam finestone 1325 east moymensing avenue philadelphia pa 19147 it's wearing a firm to

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tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes thank you adam can you just tell the

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board, what is your involvement with this particular property? So I've been trying to

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lease out the commercial space now for two plus years. I've helped various friends and other

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business owners get in to their current spaces. And I've had it listed for sale and reached out

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to my whole sphere for really two years trying to find a commercial tenant. Okay, so let's just

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back up for a minute so how would how would a space like this typically be marketed what what

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would if you were of course retained to lease this space what efforts would you typically use

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to go about leasing a space like this um banners which was put up um we listed it on the multiple

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listing service um and sent out to every agent in the philadelphia area philadelphia and suburb area

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Okay. And when was it first listed on the Multiple Listing Service?

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I believe it was almost a year ago.

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Okay. And members of the board, I do have a copy of that listing up on the screen right now.

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This is reflected at Exhibit 10.

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Now, how would you typically set the price of a commercial listing like this?

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Sorry, you're breaking up. I'm in the car.

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and how how would how would you usually go about setting the listing price of a commercial unit

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like this um so we looked at at numerous um commercial spaces that were currently rented

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out in the area and pretty much based that on a price per square foot um and what what kind of

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amenities and what really the owners would do to this space um for the for the next tenant

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and based on that just a couple of the spaces like the um the space right next door with the

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i think it's the hot dog place i mean they're paying i it's like i think it's around two

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I think it's around $2,000 a month, made like 800 square feet.

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thousand dollars a month they have like 800 square feet so this is about two thousand

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So this is about 2,000 square feet, plus the fact that the owners were willing to put in a quarter million dollars to a business.

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That's where we came up with the $4,000.

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So you would say, based on your experience as a realtor renting commercial spaces, that this space was competitively priced?

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It was not overpriced for the area?

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Yeah, especially the fact that they're willing to put in a quarter million dollars to make it a space.

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Most landlords would not be willing to do that.

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Okay.

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Now, it would be easy, of course, to argue that SAM's troubles here were somehow related to the COVID-19 pandemic and that they should just be patient.

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But the information that we would have would suggest that the challenges here are not solely COVID-related and that there are other extenuating factors unique to this property that do contribute to the hardship that we're here today for.

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Adam Feinstone, so is it correct that you also took a look at some other listings in this immediate area before the hearing?

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Yeah.

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Okay. And over what periods of time did you gather leasing histories for?

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I looked at anywhere from three months up to about a year.

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Okay. And what geographic area were you looking in?

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I just looked within a half a mile of the space. I didn't really want to go further out because then you get into different neighborhoods and everything else and things change dramatically.

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Okay. And when you looked at the leasing histories for this area, what did those leasing histories show about the ability to lease a commercial space in this area?

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it showed so there was over the last year i believe there i don't have it right in front

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of me but i believe there's been like nine spaces like this available five of which were rented

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um and there's still another four available um i know did the three-month history show

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additional evidence that there is commercial viability in this area honestly not really

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um and i've talked on top of that i've talked to a lot of other people with small businesses and

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i've brought them through trying to think of other ways trying to maybe even turn it into two

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two spaces two commercial properties trying to team up people um and just no one thought it was

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viable for what for what they wanted okay and it wasn't necessarily the space it was really just

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more of the location. Okay, but again, just getting back to the potential argument that this

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is a COVID-related problem, did the histories that you look at, did they show that there have

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been commercial spaces that have been leased while the COVID-19 pandemic has been going on?

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Yes. Okay. And then one of the arguments that I expect that we might hear a little bit later on

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is that, you know, the city has stated goals for this commercial corridor, which we certainly

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respect. And I think you've heard, you know, Adam's goal here was to contribute to that.

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Adam Finestone, if this space, if the board were to deny this variance and this space had to

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remain vacant for the foreseeable future, based on your experience in leasing, what impact do

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you expect the vacancy would have on the ability of other commercial owners to rent their space?

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I think it would negatively impact that. When you see a vacancy, especially in a new building that

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with all those gorgeous storefront windows not being leased, it probably really scares other

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developers or anyone else that wants to start a commercial space. You need large commercial spaces

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around each other to really kind of feed off each other. And without that, it's not viable

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for other businesses to start up. Thank you. So based on this information that we've given you,

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we believe we've established that SAM employed continual and diligent measures over the course

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of nearly two years to find a viable commercial tenant for this space. You heard that Adam

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Perlman state that even as we present to the board today, that his true preference would be

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have a commercial tenant in that space. What we have not yet established is some of the reasons

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why we submit this property is uniquely situated in a way that contributes to the hardship.

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Now if the board refers to tab 19, some photographs here,

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some photographs here, you'll see some photographs of the immediately surrounding property.

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you'll see some photographs of the immediately surrounding property.

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Although this property does have a Lancaster Avenue address, there's only a very small portion

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of the building that actually sits on Lancaster Avenue. So if you look at this photo, you'll see

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the hot dog place, you'll see the church right next door. Really, the only portion of this building

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that sits on Lancaster Avenue is where this door is. And even at that, it's right at the corner.

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Most of the building is oriented along North 40th Street, which you can see has a small pocket park that leads to mostly residential uses, particularly the neighboring apartment complex at 611 North 40th Street that has 17 units.

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There's a small vacant commercial space right next to the building on North 40th Street.

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Now, if you again look at photos of this major intersection, you'll notice that it's not terribly

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conducive to free-flowing pedestrian travel given the extensive street widths and the number of

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traffic lights that are here. You should also notice the abundance of residential uses that

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do surround this intersection, particularly some of the single-family homes across the street here

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and along Lancaster. Now the heavily commercial uses along Lancaster largely commence and continue

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along the opposing side of Lancaster Avenue. So should the board grant the requested variances,

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the proposed solely multifamily use will harmonize with the character of this neighborhood

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and will not create any disruption in the commercial block. Now the feedback that we did

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received from the RCO and the council office is that Lancaster Avenue is intended for commercial

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development, and we wholeheartedly respect that. However, this property is uniquely situated in

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such a way that makes the commercial use here challenging and undesirable. Now, if the board

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also refers to the aerial that I have up on the screen here at tab 14, you'll see a historic

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aerial of this property that dates back to 2004. I was not able to find any aerials earlier than

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this, so we do suspect that this condition likely is earlier than 2004, but this should show you

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that until the development was constructed, the property was vacant for at least the last 15

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years. I mention this only to show that by the board granting this variance, you're not taking

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away from the commercial character of this area. The property did not previously have a commercial

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use and the granting of the variance will preserve the status quo that's existed at least for the

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last 15 years. Now before we conclude, I'd like to bring Adam Perlman back just for a moment.

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Adam, as a result of the continuing vacancy, can you just very briefly tell the board

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some of the implications that you've now started to face

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as a result of the vacancy?

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Our insurance carrier dropped the project

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because I guess there's liability

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with vacant commercial spaces.

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So we were dropped from our insurance policy

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and it took me until the sixth insurance carrier

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to find someone that would carry a 10 unit over vacant commercial space and paying a significant

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premium to have a vacant commercial space. Our commercial lender that provided the commercial

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construction loan for the project, they contacted us in early December and said that even though

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we've rented out the units up above the vacant commercial space we're not hitting our debt

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service coverage ratio and they demanded we pay a couple hundred thousand dollars

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before the end of the year so we had to come up with that money and pay down our our loan because

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of this vacancy um it's it's it's unfortunate but it's there's nothing we could do except apply for

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of variance and hope that we can get residential units in there, four one-bedroom units would rent

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out in two days. So Adam, I want to just hit on that point for a minute. So when you decided to

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consider converting this, how did you come up with the four one-bedroom units? What factors

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led you to that specific breakdown? The high demand for the one-bedroom units, we rented up

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We have 10 units in the building.

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We have two of those are one bedroom units and those leased out in the first.

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two of those are one-bedroom units and those leased out in the first few days they were listed.

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We received a lot of inquiries. People were offering to put down deposits for whenever

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these would become available and being on the ground floor it's less desirable so these would

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become more affordable one-bedroom units which are in very high demand right now two blocks away

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at 38th and Lancaster they're they're asking two thousand dollars for one bed I don't think that

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if we listed it for anything we wouldn't get more than a thousand dollars for one bed maybe

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eight hundred or nine hundred so we would be providing the area with affordable one-bedroom

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apartments for tenants. Another thing that was brought up at the RCO meeting was

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lack of parking spaces. They want a busy commercial business in there, which would

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take up a lot of parking spaces for more people in the area who may or may not have cars

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because there's a lot of public transportation available, would not provide that burden on

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the community. It wouldn't cause any hardships. Okay, thank you. So just to briefly conclude,

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we do submit that these are the least minimum variances. We're not requesting any dimensional

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variances. Providing a commercial use here is just simply not viable at this time, given the

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lot history, its orientation along North 40th Street, the lack of commercial use on this side

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of a large intersection, and most importantly, given the extensive efforts that SAM has made

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with both the community and the council office to attempt to locate a viable commercial tenant

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here. The additional four units will ensure that these units are within the neighborhood

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context and will support additional density necessary to support future commercial viability

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of the Lancaster Avenue corridor in accordance with the city's goals. We submit that the units

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and lack of commercial space will not increase the local congestion given the extensive public

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transit network and the availability of Simone Street parking in this area. The proposal will

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not impair light and air or negatively impact surrounding properties nor will it place an undue

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burden on public facilities, utilities, or cause any environmental damage. We submit the variance

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complies in full with the provisions of section 14303AE of the code as it's further detailed in

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my memorandum of law submitted at tab 15. Now to reiterate, SAM sincerely respects the community

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and the city's goals for this area and I hope you've heard that today. As you heard, they were

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hoping to find a commercial tenant for the space and tried everything that they could with the

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assistance of nearly every business-oriented organization in this area. However, they

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unfortunately do not have the luxury or the flexibility to leave the space vacant indefinitely.

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Accordingly, we're asking the board to recognize the severe hardship and grant the requested

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variances today. Adam Perlman, have you heard all of my testimony here today before the board?

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Yes.

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And would you agree that testimony was true and accurate, and would you adopt it as if it were your own?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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And with that, we would be happy to answer any questions.

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Thank you.

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The photograph you showed a few minutes ago along 40th Street that showed a commercial property adjacent to the applicants.

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Yep.

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It obviously looks like it's closed.

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The security gates are down.

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Would you or does anyone could speak to whether that commercial space has been abandoned or if it's been abandoned or is it in use?

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Yeah, so this is Adam Perlman. It's 609 North 40th Street. It's owned by Dr. Rizel Gebrahana. He owns a couple commercial properties around Philadelphia. He owns a couple pharmacies.

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He purchased this building and turned it into one residential unit over a commercial space.

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He was unable to rent the commercial space out to any tenants for about a year.

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His wife opened a salon in the commercial space, and they invested a good amount of money into the fit-out.

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It was a very nice salon with a good storefront, and they just didn't have enough business,

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and eventually they closed, and that was pre-COVID.

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uh pre-covid okay thank you you answered both my questions um excuse me

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Okay, thank you. You answered both my questions.

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so commercial uh any questions from the board no no no would anyone else like to testify in

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this case if so please raise your hand yeah here we have a kevin brown mr brown you can unmute

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yourself and speak. Mr. Brown? Yes. Actually, this is James Wright, Director of Community Development

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at the People's Emergency Center. Hopped on a little bit later. Mr. Wright, would you please

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identify yourself, spell your full name, and provide us with your address? I'm James Wright,

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Director of Community Development at the People's Emergency Center. We are contracted by the

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commerce department of philadelphia to manage the revitalization effort along lancaster avenue

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uh my office address is 325 north 39th street philadelphia pa 19104 we're in the firm to tell

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the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes please proceed yep so uh noting all the

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concerns that Meredith cited. I understand the list of concerns, but we have to put it in the

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context of 2020. And then also you have to put it in the context of a growing corridor, which the

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city's commerce department and planning department strongly supports. And then when you think about

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the revitalization effort occurring for a commercial new construction property of this level

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occurring at this time. It's a difficult time period, but to permanently make that ground floor

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residential could set a precedent that could create a ripple effect along Lancaster Avenue

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in the most densest part of that commercial corridor. The vacancy rate prior to COVID

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was a little bit over 10% as compared to the rest of the corridor, which gets up to be about

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15 to 20 percent but it's changing and so we've worked um for a number of years to make that effort

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uh to to make the revitalization effort stronger and we're in the middle of a planning process

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funded by the commerce department to read to to re-strategize the tenanting process

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on the 4 000 block the 4100 block and the 4200 block of lancaster avenue so to have this building

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go all residential at one of the most prominent intersections on Lancaster Avenue and in West

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Philadelphia at this time would be unfortunate and also doesn't really consider the fact that

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it's a hard time for all property owners. So that's really the meat of what I wanted to get

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on here and just talk about. The challenges that Mr. Pearlman has experienced are felt by other

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property owners because of the context of 2020. Great. Do you have any sense of when your

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plan will be final? The plan will be final by March of this year. We did most of the conversations

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throughout the fall, summer and fall of last year, and the planning group that we're working with

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are finalizing the document by March.

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We're supposed to submit that to the Commerce Department in April.

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Will there be any assistance provided to property owners going forward

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as a result of the plan that you guys will be putting into motion?

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So in terms of direct assistance,

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all the incentive programs come through the Commerce Department,

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and Commerce has been realigning their strategies in light of the COVID crisis.

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to really help businesses and property owners.

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We don't have specific incentives with the planning grant,

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only that it really helps to come up with a new strategy for how that will go.

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And, you know, just off the end of last year and in the beginning of this year,

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especially with the new director of the Commerce Department,

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resources are all being aligned, realigned.

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questions from the board no mr chairman mr chairman yes sir it it doesn't look like

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the the first floor is on lancaster avenue is really on 39th street north 40th street

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north 40th street yeah uh tom like it's on a commercial strip right i was you just took the

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Right. You just took the words out of my mouth. I was going to go back and ask Mr. Wright, not to interrupt you, Tom, but Mr. Wright, our board member, Mr. Holloman, was basically going down.

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words out of my mouth. I was going to go back and ask Mr. Wright.

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my probably my next question was uh i mean it's around the corner uh yeah and i'm looking at a

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lot of other vacancies and i will well for the sake of this discussion i'll just contribute most

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of those vacancies or assume and maybe i shouldn't assume but i'll assume that most of the vacancies

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are result of covet so would even though this is not directly on lancaster this still would be part

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of the Commerce Department's effort to put some extra commercial spaces at that intersection?

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Yes, so it is at the intersection. And, you know, intersections are pretty tricky in terms of what's

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on the corridor and not on the corridor. But that part of 40th Street is considered a part of the

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commercial corridor, just like across the street, the old West Philadelphia Title and Trust Building

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is considered a part of the corridor as well as Morris Funeral Home is a part of the corridor and

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the parcel with the Dr. King mural as seen as a part of the commercial corridor so you know

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Mount Vernon Street uh comes right up to 40th and it is really hard to separate that as you're

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looking at the map that I don't know what the shape is that block of that between 40th Haverford

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in Lancaster as not commercial. Going partway down Haverford is also commercial. The businesses

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on the north side of Haverford Avenue, the 39 Spotify Avenue, are commercial.

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Tom, I interrupted you. I just want to, I think that's where you were going, but do you have

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anything else? Yes. Lancaster Avenue is pretty much abandoned. It's being developed, but it's

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abandoned, but you would have to get Lancaster Avenue up to par before going down 40th Street.

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Sir, I just want to reiterate, this is not going down 40th Street. This building sits

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right at the intersection. It is no more than, it starts at the corner, and it goes no more than,

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is it 30 feet past the corner? Not even to the end of Mount Vernon. That's not a full block.

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It's totally visible. If you're standing, if you're standing west along Lancaster, as far as

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the seafood restaurant, you can see this building. It's very much a part of the commercial corridor,

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visibly, physically. It's right there. A very beautiful construction right at the corner of

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40th and Lancaster. I understand, because I eat at Texas Wheaton all the time.

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I would ask you, what type of businesses could you draw on 40th Street?

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You said, could you draw, or did I draw? Do you project?

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Well, again, I think it's unfortunate characterization of this property as being

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on 40th street is definitely a lancaster avenue property you go to texas luna so you understand

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it very well it's on lancaster avenue it's connected to the corridor the types of businesses

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that people are looking for and we have to really think about the covid crisis and how

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business environments are changing but given the level of construction that has been done you got

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to think that this will be um in terms of when a new business comes so whether it be a takeout

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restaurant or an office retail business we're getting a lot of feedback somebody's mic is on

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and there's a lot of shuffling going on hard to hear Mr. Wright thank you yeah Mr. Wright continue

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I'm sorry. Yeah, so it's as the corridor revitalizes, this building sets the precedent

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for what we want it to become. As we approach other developers to look at renovating parcels

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or building out on vacant lots along the corridor, this is a prototype. And so for it to go

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residential on the ground floor will set a bad precedent for the trajectory. And so, and also

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it's really hard to deny that this is even the way the building is situated it looks and feels

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as if it's a corridor commercial building the facade is entirely open to the commercial corridor

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and it faces lancaster avenue more prominently than it does 40th street um this is adam perlman

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than it does 40th Street. This is Adam Perlman. Mr. Wright, if I could just interject. I really

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Mr.

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do want to see all the best for the Lancaster Corridor, but we're talking two, five, ten,

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twenty years. There's nothing concrete. All the potential businesses that could be in this space

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have all looked at it. No one's shown any real interest. The intersection for the last three

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years as i've been involved in this intersection is four or five churches three parking lots

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a funeral home a beer distributor um and then two restaurants the texas we go the street

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the other restaurant um quality they they do well but there's so in the in the in the last

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five years and in the last five years hold on Mr. Wright just let Mr. Perlman finish and we'll

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come right to you thank you contacted by developers who are looking in this area and

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looking at this intersection constantly and I don't tell them that I'm facing financial hardships

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I don't tell them that my insurance carriers dropped me I don't tell them that my commercial

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lender has told me that this is a distressed asset. I tell them I have high hopes for the

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intersection and high hopes for the area, but I haven't found a commercial tenant in over two

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years. And people want to build across the street where the taxis are parked. People are trying to

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build up near 41st and Lancaster and west on Haverford, and they can't do it where there's

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a commercial requirement and they call me and i and i tell them i don't have a commercial tenant

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because i can't find one but i i think the area is gonna it's on its way up i think university

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city's expanding but it might be five years it might be 10 years but after two years i i can't

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carry this burden on on this project anymore i don't this is my only project this is my only

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commercial project. I've spent the last six years volunteering in Africa and India and the Bronx,

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New York, and I am a small business owner and my small business is failing. And converting this to

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residential will save my building and it will help the commercial corridor. It will not hurt it. But

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a vacant commercial space sitting here with developers constantly calling me and asking

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why is it vacant isn't going to help anybody. It doesn't have to set a precedent. It could just be

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the start of the commercial corridor, moving past Haverford, up Lancaster.

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Mr. Wright, I'm sorry, did you want to respond?

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Yes, I appreciate the work that you've done overseas. It's very admirable. Some of that

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same kind of work is happening on the ground in West Philadelphia. It has been happening for a

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long time with all the different groups, civic associations, community leaders, nonprofit

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for employees that are giving up the same kind of blood, sweat, and tears that you have

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overseas in this community to ensure that it comes back in the best way. 2020 was a really

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difficult year, and I understand what it means to own commercial property and have to manage assets

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in a difficult situation. We own the commercial space at 3945, which was, again, vacant in a

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similar way for three years just because it is challenging, but we were able to get a business

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in there that has managed to maintain through COVID across the street at 3950 is a new bike

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shop that is thriving.

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The old West Philadelphia Title and Trust, the beer distributor business that you cited

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was in the middle of rethinking their strategy for how to work with a new community with

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students and young professionals coming in.

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That property is sold to a new developer who's interested in transforming it.

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Then, of course, 2020 happened.

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The Quality Taste restaurant opened up a second storefront, and as you noted, they're doing well with two separate storefronts right at that intersection.

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Tiny WPA at 4017, which is also a PST property, is also doing well, just two or three storefronts down.

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So it's difficult, and it's a hard environment, but there are businesses that are successful.

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And if you think that putting residential on the ground floor does not damage a commercial corridor,

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that is counterintuitive to the planning strategy that the city has employed, that the Commerce Department has supported.

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And that's just the honest truth of it.

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And that's just the honest truth of it.

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Let me ask a question, Mr. Wright.

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But let me ask a question, Mr. Wright.

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I guess it's a question for both Mr. Wright and Ms. Felliger.

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Meredith, you mentioned early in your presentation,

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the Councilwoman Gautier's office had suggested to your client

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to seek some assistance as it relates to potentially getting tenants

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with a number of organizations.

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And you may have said this, I don't recall.

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was Commerce Department one of them? The Commerce Department was one of them. I believe Adam did

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reach out to them and similar to the other organizations that he contacted, that nothing

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came to fruition. So some of the incentives that the Commerce Department has is for businesses

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coming into places like this. And so they have a program called InStore, which would give a

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business owner up to $50,000 to do a fit out at that spot. They also have a facade improvement

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grant, which because this building faces the corridor, it can apply for multiple addresses,

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not just the one on Lancaster Avenue. Commerce considers is a commercial building. And then

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there are other, as Meredith said, as you said, there are other institutions like the

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Merchants Fund or such which would support a business that chooses to locate here. It

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is a challenging year, so businesses are probably making tough decisions on where they can locate,

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but when a business comes to this location, there's upwards to about $75,000 that they could

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apply for and potentially receive via the Commerce Department. And Mr. Chairman, you know, just to

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reiterate, Adam mentioned they offered a prospective tenant $250,000 towards the fit-up space, so,

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You know, this was not a situation where a business just simply did not have the resources to pay for a fit out of the space.

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I mean, they went above and beyond to try and encourage.

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I hear that and I respect that.

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I just was curious to what extent the conversation took place between your client and the Commerce Department.

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Everybody wants the best thing to happen.

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And your client, obviously the city and Commerce Department.

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I know they have a new commerce director who has been very, very helpful to try to get these things moving along in the city.

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All right. With that, I'd like to ask if there's anyone else who would like to discuss this application, please raise your hand.

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And I would appreciate after the hour, almost an hour's worth of testimony, if whoever wants to speak, if you can add something new and different.

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Chairman, we have Andrew Goodman. Mr. Goodman, you can speak now.

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Good afternoon, Andrew. Please identify yourself with the record and I'll swear you in.

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Good afternoon. Andrew Goodman, G-O-O-D-M-A-N, representing the Office of Third District

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Councilmember Jamie R. Gaudier. We're in a firm to tell the truth, the whole

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truth, nothing but the truth. Yes, I do. Thank you, sir. Please proceed.

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Thank you. So I'm here today on behalf of Councilmember Gaudier, who strongly opposes

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the variants being pursued today and ask that the ZBA deny this application.

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We are certainly aware of the justifications that the applicant is making today, and we're

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not here to challenge any of those.

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I think we can all acknowledge and agree that we as a society have faced significant amounts

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of crises this year, and I think it's important to note the incredible amount of duress that

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has been placed on our service provider organizations as support or financial relief comes and goes

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from various levels of government. These are the same organizations that are tasked with doing the

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city's work of helping businesses with much less financial wherewithal, avoid closures and

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insolvency. So I want to offer that as some context for the service providers that we made

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referrals to as just like all of us, we are rolling with the punches as, you know, as this

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public health crisis continues. We would like to assert that not getting a new business to pay

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$4,000 a month in rent during a time like this should not be sufficient grounds for granting

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a long-term multi-decade decision on one of the oldest commercial corridors in the city's

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history. We were not privy to some of the exhibits of the applicant. The listing that

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we saw, at least previously, did not explicitly reference the $250,000 that's being referenced

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today, though I know it's been spoken to. And just looking quickly at what was shown

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on the screen. The only other comparable I could see was a couple blocks away in kind of a denser

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higher market section of University City that was offering rent at $1,200 less per month.

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So just if we're talking about what going rates are, I think there is a sufficient case to be

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made that $4,000 per month would not be that. And then want to iterate again or want to reiterate

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And then want to reiterate again or want to reiterate, given the physical orientation of the building, we all know that many of these commercial corridors run on diagonals because of their history as predating the city grid.

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given

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There are probably hundreds of these sorts of sites that interact with diagonals and still find a way to be viable, and one directly across the street from this property has already been referenced by previous testimony.

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So setting a precedent like this that this represents a physical hardship would be very troublesome, not just to Lancaster Avenue, but many other diagonal corridors across the city.

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Lancaster Avenue was here before any of us were, and it will be here long after we are gone.

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one. These corridors are crucial spaces for commerce, economic opportunity, and public

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activity, and their importance and the importance of these visions and plans overrides the interest

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of any single individual in any neighborhood or citywide planning process that relates to

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Lancaster Avenue affirms this. We certainly share the application or the applicant's disappointment

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in not having a tenant yet, and just like the rest of us, we ask that they weather the storm.

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As far as we know, the rest of the building is operational and occupied, so we would dispute that this claim makes the whole building itself somehow unviable.

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And given the stressors on the Philadelphia business community right now, we believe that there are very logical, rational, understandable reasons why we can look forward to greener pastures in 2021 once public health restrictions are lifted.

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And I would also affirm Mr. Wright's testimony about the growth of the corridor and the horizon that it's on.

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The idea that because something has not been successful recently means that it can't be successful for the next 20 years is very alarmist.

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And further down that same block, the 3,900 block, we can see new businesses coming online in the last year or two years.

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And so we agree that this sets a dangerous precedent, even if that is not the intention

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of the applicant or of this board.

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We know that in practice, we get in the district variances like, variance requests like these

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at least once per year.

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So while maybe unintentionally, we know that future applicants will cite what happens this

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afternoon as grounds to poke holes in a commercial corridor.

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On behalf of the council member, I thank you for your time and ask again that the ZBA denies

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this variance request. Thank you again. I respond to the last part of your testimony, Mr. Goodman,

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is that people say to us as board often, if you allow this to happen, it's going to set a precedent.

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Generally speaking, probably the overwhelming amount of times we hear cases, we look at each

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case on an individual basis. And before you go, Meredith, I just want to ask Mr. Wright, I don't

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to put the burden on you but you do work in a department that the city relies on do you think

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there's any value in a further any further conversations with Mr. Perlman since Mr.

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Perlman has testified that he was willing to fit out this first floor a tune of two hundred fifty

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thousand dollars is there any opportunity you think for a further conversation uh between your

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office, maybe not you necessarily, but your office and Mr. Perlman to see if they're, I'm not sure

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a lot of people out there know this. I mean, we understand what Mr. Feinstein did when he put this

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out on a multiple listing, but you guys in the Commerce Department, you're on the ground floor

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and you know what people are looking for in terms of assistance when it comes to either opening

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business their business or continuing to operate their businesses yeah i certainly think there's

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value to uh continued conversation especially given uh the additional resources that have

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um come in at the tail part of the year the year um also considering the work that the council

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member's office is doing around west philadelphia commercial corridors in general uh given the

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difficult year. And just in that, because we are reaching some sense of normalcy,

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business owners are more likely, entrepreneurs are more likely to seek out storefronts than they

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were at the top and in the middle of the year. I don't know if this question's been asked, but

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Are there any prospects for commercial?

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No, that was Mr. Perlman's testimony.

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And that's why, again, I wasn't sure if Mr. Wright and or Mr. Goodman,

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I think he testified that they weren't aware of the offer that's being made,

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The offer that's being made, the financial offer that's being made by Mr. Perlman, that may change the equation to a potential commercial operator.

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the financial offer that's being made by Mr. Perlman.

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I don't know. I'm not saying it will definitely, but that is a significant amount of money to be offered as a startup for any business.

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We had this conversation back in September with Mr. Wright.

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We said that we would be willing to fund the fit out.

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But Mr. Wright is willing to continue this conversation.

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And with respect, Mr. Wright, you never answered any of my phone calls.

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You never returned any of my voicemails.

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You didn't respond to my emails.

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And if I could just respond to Mr. Goodman and Councilman Goddard.

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I'm sorry, Adam, did you speak to my staff member, Dante Leonard?

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On everyone's screen right now, they see the Chosen 300 church is adjacent to my building, 3965 Lancaster.

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The councilwoman is in support of residential use of a CMX2 property at the Chosen 300, but she is strongly opposed to the adjacent property, 3965 Lancaster, having residential use on the ground floor.

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So those are, it's contradictory statements coming from Councilwoman Gaudier's office to not allow residential use on the ground floor of one property and then strongly support it on the adjacent property.

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And Mr. Wright, I did speak with Dante. We met at the property. We walked the property. We probably spent over two hours there together talking about the Lancaster Commercial Corridor, ways that I could assist any project that you guys have on the corridor.

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um i received no no responses i received no any leads for any potential commercial tenants

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and it's been over two years it predates covid and it will post date covid it's this is not a

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covid issue i i can't have a vacant commercial space for another two three years i'll lose my

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building if he wants to rent out uh so all right Dante Leonard because Dante is the commercial

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corridor that works under me and I know that he has been in communication with you so I just wanted

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to refute the charge that you haven't been in contact with PEC maybe not me directly but you

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have been in contact with PEC and so gentlemen gentlemen this is this is a new day this is let's

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put the things of the past as much as we can behind us. Mr. Chairman, 30 seconds please. I just

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again you know specific to the point of the precedence again we have to prove a hardship

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unique to this property and I believe that we have gone above and beyond to do that today

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And just again, turning back to the map here, if you are on North 40th Street on the east side of North 40th Street and you continue along, you have this property, you have that small one that Adam talked about being a vacant ground floor commercial, and then you instantly hit RM1, a 17-unit apartment building.

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So, again, just to refute the notion that this building is intimately contributing to the Lancaster Avenue corridor, again, I can't stress enough that I believe that we have established the unique hardship to this property in a way that will not set any negative precedent if another property is to come to you in the future.

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Understood. Thank you.

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Any questions from the board?

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Mr. Chairman, I'm familiar with the neighborhood, and the city's been working on Lancaster Avenue

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development for at least 30 years, as I know of, and it hasn't gotten much further than it is now.

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So therefore, I feel as though there is a hardship with commercial space on 40th Street.

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Thank you. Thank you. And I do agree, from what I heard on testimony, that there is a hardship.

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I'm just want to like I'm suggesting that we give this a few more weeks for the applicant

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and Meredith and Mr. Wright and or ever from Mr. Wright's office to have a sit down along

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with the councilwoman's office what what's got my attention a little bit more

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Mr. Chairman you're muted I don't know if you intended to be

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no could you hear me now sorry uh that my concern is with the suggestion that this would set a

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precedent and if i heard it correctly the church building i believe a front

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And if I heard it correctly, the church building, I believe, affronts Lancaster Avenue.

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And that building is going to be or is going to have an application in front of this board, I assume.

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Next month, yes.

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To convert that building into fully residential.

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Mr. Chair, this is Andrew. I can respond to that as well.

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Yeah, please.

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so our understanding of the application two doors down is that the ground floor at least is still

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remaining social services and you know i don't think it's that particular address that is up for

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review today but if the applicant here today is interested in a non-profit or social service use

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we understand that commercial does not necessarily mean retail so this it is by no means the building

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two doors down is by no means being converted into apartments or anything like that not fully

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you mean part of part of others i think their proposal is for an overnight facility in the

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basement all right well we'll deal with that when we get to it but in any event uh i i know there

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are other people who like to speak and generally we allow them but we're an hour and an hour and

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15 minutes into this case, we have numerous cases to go. So I'm going to suggest that

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Sharon, I don't want to close this. I'm trying to figure out a way which we can allow for at

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least 30 days of conversation to go between the Councilwoman's office and the Commerce Department.

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mr chairman with all due respect i mean we we did this that's why we i know i know but i know i i

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know that i heard it but sometimes when people come in front of this board and we're about to

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make the decision sometimes an extra couple weeks some for some reason motivates people

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to put pen to paper and work out some some of the issues maybe not but you know where i come from i

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think you've known you've heard me before is generally a way of getting to some compromise

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and i don't know if there is in this case but i think i'd like to allow for that to happen

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so sharon i i if i closed the record um which way we handle this so if you close the record

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you wouldn't be able to take any additional so we can resume the hearing we can resume the hearing

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yes we have a lakisha do we have a specific date and time at least 30 days out

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we would request no more if possible yeah i've just said 30 days yeah

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give me one second sure take your time

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Thank you.

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27th is fine 27th okay mi2020-000945 3965 lancaster avenue this hearing will be resumed

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on january 27th it's at 9 9 30 or at two o'clock

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lakisha two two o'clock p.m at which time the board will consider any feedback related

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to the RCO and the Councilwoman's position and the Commerce Department's position. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right. Have we, Sharon, have we resolved the Duval issue?

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I think it's the first, second, and tenth case. Yeah.

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Calendar. Do you want me to call it, Frank? Yeah, we're ready to go on those cases, Sharon.

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sharon remember we had number two is continued but we want to double check

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right so i'll call one in ten calendar call three carol then call three okay calendar number 2588

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100 West Duval Street, calendar number 2589, 102 West Duval Street, and calendar number 2572.

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102 West Duvall Street and calendar number 257231 West Duvall Street.

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Sir, Alan, is that you?

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It is.

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Are you here for all three cases?

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Yes, I am, Madam Vice Chair.

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Okay, put your name and address on the record, please, and spell your last name.

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Yes. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the board. My name is Alan Nockamson, N as in Nancy, O-C-H-U-M as in Mary, S-O-N as in Nancy, of Nockamson, PC, 123 South Broad Street, Suite 1600, Philadelphia, PA, 19109.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you agree to wait the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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I do have some dispute with the refusal for 100 west of Wall Street.

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It references parking regulations for RSA 5, RM 1, and CMX 2.

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This is an RSA 3 property, so I dispute the relevance of that portion of the refusal.

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But otherwise, I accept it.

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okay have you emailed an exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance refusal referral

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photos and plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing and have you met with

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the rco and do you have a letter yes okay yes you may proceed excuse me before you begin alan

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You just said that you dispute the number one, 100 West Duval on the RS3.

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Are the other two not the same?

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They're slightly different.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All three are RS3s.

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Yes.

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Just the refusal for whatever reason, when we noticed the notice of refusal had an error just in 100 West Duval Street.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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All right. And just to clarify in terms of the hearing time, I did go on the calendar and verify that 31, 100, and 102 West of Olive Street, at least according to the ZBA's calendar, are all scheduled for 2 p.m. today.

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So I don't know how there may have been confusion, but I just wanted to reiterate that our records and the ZBA's records have them all for 2 p.m. today.

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May I share my screen?

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yes all right so what you'll see before you is a rendering uh for and let me just make it a little

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smaller for uh 100 for 100 102 west of olive street um as this board may remember i was here

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in september of 2019 for 100 100 west of olive street we proposed two uh duplexes two two unit

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condominiums with off-street parking. We thought it was appropriate under the circumstances

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both the community as well as the coordinating RCO at the time, which is the same coordinating

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RCO today, felt otherwise. They thought it was more appropriate to put two single families there

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with off-street parking. We could not come to an agreement at that point. We had the ZBA hear that

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presentation, and that variance request was denied. That's the basis for 100 and 102. The

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only difference with respect to the refusals is that we eliminated the use refusal. So this is

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something the community wanted us to do in September of 2019, and that's why we're back

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here today. As far as a 31 Duval Street, it's more in line with exactly, I mean, it's in line

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exactly what they want in terms of single-family use. So we're not asking for use variances,

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we're just asking for some dimensional variances. And I'll go over each refusal to show

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what the refusals are. Here's our table of contents. Let me just make that a little bit

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smaller. So it's my typical exhibit packet of eight exhibits. The first exhibit is the deeds

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of the property showing that Oak Spark Ventures is the owner of the property. So they're in the

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packet. I don't think I need to worry about that. After that, it's a Certificates of Tax Clearance

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showing that Oak Spark Ventures is in good standing with the city with respect to the real

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estate taxes do on these properties. After that, it's a notice of refusal. So the first

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The first one I'm going to show you is 31 West of All Street.

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one I'm going to show you is 31 west of Olive Street. You'll see this is an RSA 3 property.

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You'll see this is an RSA 3 property, and you'll see that we're asking for a single-family household living.

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A couple things to point out.

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This block of West of All is two-story in nature.

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We're actually keeping in line with that.

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So we're not asking for any height variances.

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And we're actually going with the roof lines for the properties on the, I guess, the zero block of West Duval Street.

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Another thing to pay attention to, and this kind of goes with our first refusal, because this is an RSA3 property, technically we need parking.

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But you'll see that, or you'll see in terms of pictures that we have actually in another packet, that it's not typical to actually have parking on the zero block of west of Wall Street.

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And then the second refusal has to do with the side yard, eight feet required, five feet is proposed.

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And again, you'll see from pictures that we've presented in this packet, most of the properties on that block either have no side yard or minimal side yard, which would not comply with the code.

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So that's 31 Duval Street.

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100 West Duval Street has this first refusal, which I believe is an error because this is an RSA 3 property.

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And it references additional parking regulations for RSA 5, RM 1, and CMX 2. So I don't believe that that's relevant.

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The second refusal has to do with non-accessory parking. It's expressly prohibited in the RSA 3 district.

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So you'll see from the pictures that we're going to show that we're using one curb cut off of Cherokee that will go so that our rear yard will have parking back there on 100.

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and then there would be an easement

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for 102, which is to the right of us.

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Yes.

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Can you go to the drawings?

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Okay, sure.

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So this is

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again the rendering for 100

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and 102.

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And let me just make this a little smaller

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just so I can kind of

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venture through so this is this is 31 west of olive street as you can see this is a two-story

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structure with a front porch a front porch which matches how you would see the other properties

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on that block and we can show pictures brick facade and it's a two-story structure

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you'll see from the site plan again we have a front yard and we have the side yard of five feet

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This is our refusal. Again, there are pictures, and we can show you the pictures, where there's usually either a minimal or no side yard for most of the properties within the vicinity of this property.

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Is that the length of the property?

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The what? The side yard? Yes, it does. It does.

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And another thing to point out is this is RSA 3, so we're required to have 50% open area.

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So if technically we wanted to put a parking spot out front and do a curb cut, which the community has been against in the past, with respect to the middle of the block, that would affect our ability to meet the open area requirement for this property.

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So that's that one.

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And then you'll see this is 100 and 102, and you'll see here, this is, again, this is a three-story structure with a mansard roof and dormers, and this also has a front porch, as you can see, which kind of matches the feel of the remaining properties with both a mix between a stone facade and wood siding.

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and let me just but what you'll see is one of the refusals trying to get up to this thing

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is is here so we're we have a curb cut on Cherokee and this is 100 Duval Street and this is 102

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Duval Street so what we anticipate is there will be two cars one parked on 100 Duval Street and

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the other one parked on 102 Duvall Street. So technically, well, they'll be both parked

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on 102. I'm sorry, 100. One is for 100 and one's for 102. And the reason why we're getting

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refusal is because the parking spot that's for 102 is technically on 100. So it will

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be by way of an easement. Let me see what the other refusals have to do for 100. The

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The other refusal is the minimum rear depth because the parking spots are considered occupied area.

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The other refusal is the minimum rear

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Technically, we're only showing nine feet of rear yard depth.

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Well, 15 feet is required, but as you can see that these parking spots are both eight and a half feet wide.

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We would technically meet the open area from an actual visual standpoint, but this is not considered part of the calculation.

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And we have the same issue with the side yard, that we're proposing less than required, eight feet required.

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We're proposing three and a half feet, but we're also having some nice landscaping on the side.

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Again, these are all issues that the zoning board heard before.

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The only issue last time was the fact of the use.

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nothing else was in dispute with the community. In terms of 102 west of Wall Street, the two

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refusals, the minimum side yard, we're proposing three feet while eight feet is required. And

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we're technically, which again, we'll show from pictures that that's not uncommon. And then

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technically, because we're not showing parking here, we're getting a refusal saying that we're

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not provide providing parking for 102 west of all but we are by way of this parking spot which is

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going to be an easement for the benefit of 102 i would like to show you side yard runs the full

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length like the other property full length of the property uh yes it does mr chair um and these are

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photos of the property so i just want to kind of go back and just get that little

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all right so this is 31 west duval again you can see their porches uh you can see these are

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two-story structures and you can see our property and you know 31 west duval street we're proposing

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a two-story structure with a porch that fits in line with the other properties as you can see

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there's no parking on for each of either of these uh to the property to the left or to the right of

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us you'll see 100 102 west duval street from west duval street we're in the corner of

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of Duval in Cherokee. And you'll see 100 and 102 West Duval from Cherokee. And then you'll see 31

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West Duval Street, first block of West Duval to the left of the property, to the right of the

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property. And as you can see, there's really no parking off street on West Duval on the first

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block of West Duval. And then 100 block of West Duval, 100 and 102 from the left of the property

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and to the right of the property.

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And then from the 6,300 block of Cherokee,

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another perspective for 100 and 102.

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And then most importantly,

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our refusals really go to the heart of the matter.

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You know, it's my philosophy.

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If, you know, if you see a building proposed,

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actually built,

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and it fits within the character of a neighborhood,

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from a variance standpoint,

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most times that is something that makes sense.

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So our variance, really the focus of our variance

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is the side yard and as you can see on the on the block of Duval Street or that corner there is no

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minimum there's no there's no side no side yards or minimal side yards same thing over there

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as well as the 100 block of West Duval as well there are nearby no minimal side yards and just

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more examples then the the first block of west of all same thing and then we went through the

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architectural plans now we did meet with the west mount airy neighbors association oops

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and they provided two separate letters one for 31 west of all

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one for 31 west of all and one for 100 and 102 west of all and as you can see from the letter

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they indicated for 31 west of all that you know what we're requesting is not out of character

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from the neighborhood they mentioned the parking situation that they did not want oops they did not

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want to um for us to put a curb cut in front of 31 west of all uh because that would take away

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on street parking as far as 100 and 102 west of all same thing the organization stated that

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and they referenced that we actually met with the group um at the end of last or 2019 and that we

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did propose to have two duplexes um and that their only objection essentially was the duplexes and

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that the current configuration of the property, which is the same as we're presenting today,

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they have no objection to now the community did object to you know our proposal for 31 100 and 102

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they have no objection to. Now the community did object to

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west of olive street the the actual community members it was not a well-attended meeting

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as you can see from the letters there was an equal amount of people from the community as

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there were from the actual executive board of the west mount harry's neighbors and i don't know if

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Ralph Pincus or anyone from the coordinating RCO is on here. But ultimately, what we got was

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they didn't want anything. They're like, they like open area. They don't want anything built

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at 31 west of all. They don't want anything built at 100 west of all. And they don't want anything

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built at 102 west of all. There was no zoning related discussions. It was ultimately, we like

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open area, don't build anything. So we're not trying to get a use variance. We're merely trying

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to get some dimensional variances, and we're trying to get off-street parking on the one spot

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where we're taking one curb cut to create two parking spots, which, by the way, last time we

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were here, this community was for it. And as far as 31, they asked us not to create a curb cut.

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So that's basically what we're trying to do as well. That concludes my presentation.

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so um mr uh yeah yeah mr alan can you uh virtually raise your hand

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mr alan you can unmute yourself and speak

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you need to raise your volume raise my volume yeah you go we hear you now please identify

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yourself with the record my name is Tomer Alon could you please spell your first and last name

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T-O-M-E-R

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A-L-O-N

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Do you swear and affirm to tell the truth

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the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I affirm, yeah.

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Thank you. Mr. Nakitson?

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Yeah, Mr. Alon, you heard everything I stated

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today.

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Yes. And is it true and correct?

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Yes, it is.

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And do you adopt it as your own testimony?

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Yes. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any questions

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from the board? No.

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No.

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would anyone else like would anyone else like to testify in this case if so

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somebody has their microphone hello they got a lot of noise we hear dogs and kids hello

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somebody please mute yourself unless you're speaking thank you

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chair we want charles richardson with his hand up

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mr richardson you can speak now hold on mr richardson somebody would

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someone has their microphone on and we can hear all the background noise

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try it again mr mr richardson try it try it now good afternoon mr chair members of the board

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charles richardson from the office of councilwoman cindy bass room 312 city hall

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19107 we're confirmed to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

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I do. Please proceed. Okay. With regard to all three properties, the Councilwoman is opposing the granting of the variance based on the fact that the community in all three instances voted against granting these variances.

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It was a very raucous type of RCO meeting, but the takeaways from that, you know, that were that they were very much against the roof decks, the side yard issues with regard to, you know, building too close to the adjacent properties, like at 29, between 31 and 29 and 104 and 102.

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They were against the parking behind 100 that would accommodate 100 and 102 with the curb cut out onto Cherokee Street because Cherokee is a very busy, busy street.

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um so you know they they came out against that that and uh the councilwoman takes in

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takes umbrage with the fact that uh the westbound area neighbors uh executive board

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voted for it and and is providing a letter of support when the community was uh totally against

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it uh 11 members for 100 102 at uh 8 3 and 7 to 7 to uh 7 to 3 or 7 to 4 7 to 4 i have to look at

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7 to 3 or 7 to 4, I have to look at the letter.

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the at the letter but it was it was

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But it was for 31 as well.

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All the members of the executive board live in the more affluent areas of Westbound area,

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further up towards Mount Pleasant Avenue and up in that area.

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This is down in the lower area, and the people that were there,

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even though it has been characterized as lowly attended,

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you had 11 members there that were voting.

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And the Councilwoman is in support of the community and what their desires are, not of the RCO board.

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Thank you.

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You mentioned, Mr. Richardson, that some of the objection had to do with the side yard and these applications, excuse me, these houses would be too close to adjacent properties?

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Right. Where the requirement was for 31 is 8 feet, and they're proposing 5 feet. And specifically with 102, the requirement was 8 feet, and they're proposing only 3 feet. That's only a yard. So, you know, there was a feeling that it was too close, and that's what the Councilwoman also feels as well.

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um mr knockinson could you put up a couple of those photos showing adjacent properties and

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what their setbacks side yards or look like compared to what you're proposing uh yes i can

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um just one sec and actually this is the strongest part of our argument to be honest i mean that's

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why we're very frustrated well we were frustrated with the community and i think that even in the

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the community group was frustrated with their own community in that respect because this is not the

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first time we presented so this is the the 6300 block of cherokee because we intersect between

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duval and cherokee and you can see there's no side yard but i'm going to go duval it's it's a it's a

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it's a block of attached row houses no side yards correct yeah there's some there's some minimal

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I can show you the street views as well, but this is just an example of 127 to 131.

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There are none.

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And then same here.

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It looks like there may be a side yard, but again, if you measure them, this entire block would be nonconforming.

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So that's what's the most frustrating part.

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When we came here last time, the issue was just the use.

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We don't want duplexes.

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This is a single-family neighborhood.

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All right.

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And the other issue, I think Mr. Richardson said it had something to do with the third floor decks.

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Does 100 and 102 both have decks or no?

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I believe they do, Mr. Alon.

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Can you confirm that?

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100 and 102 have decks on top of the second floor, not on top of the third floor, in the back.

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Second floor, okay.

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Sorry about that.

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Yeah, I'm sorry.

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You're right.

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there are rear decks coming out of the master bedroom and there was a discussion well people

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were concerned about privacy but there's actually the property is owned by a behind us is owned by

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a community garden that goes let me just take a look at the uh zoning map and that was a discussion

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where we are um this this area right here i think it's like four or five properties that are by

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community garden so we're not infringing on anyone's like privacy or light and air uh because

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we were doing these these rear yards these rear deaths but not a roof deck and i don't know any

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questions from the board no no would anyone else like to testify in this case if so please raise

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your hand chair we have someone by the name of david weber mr weber you can unmute and you can

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speed. We're still getting feedback. I would appreciate if whoever's on, if you're not

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speaking, would you please mute your microphone? All right, Mr. Weber. I hope you can hear me.

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Yes, please identify yourself. Name and address by your last name. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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My name is David Weber, W-E-B-B-E-R.

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My address is 848 Carpenter Lane, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19119.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do.

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And your residence in relationship to Duval?

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Yes, so I'm the owner of 104 West Duval.

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That would be the house immediately adjacent to this construction, the one as you look at it here.

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this construction the one as you look at it here on the screen share

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it's the new house as proposed on the right my house is the one right next to it

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and what concerns me about this discussion is

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I think some inaccuracy I mean I have not gone out to measure between each of the houses but what

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you are not seeing in the photographs that the appellant has produced here

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are the spaces between these twins these duplexes so for example

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if you go to my house 104 the other twin on the other side is 106 there is a significant amount

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of space between 106 and what would be 108 the next house over and that is the pattern that runs

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down through that block. Now they are correct that there are some houses where there really

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isn't a side yard so it is not consistent. I want to be clear about that but there are many side yard

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areas and if you look across the street there are significant side yards between those houses

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as well so what you have here is this proposal that really butts up on the corner of the block

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and not only does it tower over it with that third floor it really is much closer than is

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consistent with many of the yards and consistent with this that you are not seeing all of these

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spaces and all of these houses really represented accurately here in these photographs uh in this

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yes in this exhibit six oh yeah that is there's you can find some sections of row homes as in that

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photograph but what you're not seeing are the photographs of these other properties where there

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are much larger spaces and the other thing i do i really want to emphasize of of how you're being

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really misled here um well i'm going to object you know yeah i mean i finish you're not going

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to object i i can finish he but he can't object all right and everybody has an opportunity to

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object all right so i i would appreciate if we stay factual not attack thank you so sustained

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uh okay whoever please okay so there's a statement that you know that about the issue with the um

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uh the decks pose a privacy issue and i don't have a big problem about those decks but

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you know when the developer comes in and says well they look out onto a community garden

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That simply isn't correct. And you can look at the street plan and see how there are homes there and the backyards, the space behind the houses then going on up to the block that those balconies do look over.

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So I just want to make it clear that I don't think that this presentation is as accurate as it should be in representing what this community looks like.

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And it's, to me, one of the striking things about it is the amount of openness that you see here.

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So that's really my main point is, as you were asking about the side yard questions, that's my concern is that what really gives this area its character, which makes it very attractive area, is that side yard respect that does exist between many of these properties.

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And really, that's all I have.

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So thank you very much.

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I have a question, Mr. Weber.

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uh 104 you own you're not you don't reside there correct that's right and the party wall

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uh that would be facing the new construction are there windows yes there are so yes there are so

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it's it's a you know that's a rental property and there are i think three at least three windows

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on on that side of the house and then what there is is there's an alleyway basically

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you know already exists there on our side so on your side what is the side yard width

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that i i can't tell you i think it's probably uh four or five feet at least

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at least i didn't i haven't measured it that's just all right you know it's close it's a ballpark

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i didn't i haven't measured it that's just all right you know let's close

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figure right yeah and and what is being proposed mr notkinson is your client the applicant is

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proposing a three foot side yard or for for his the property that's in media for 102 for one of

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uh it's uh three feet three feet yeah so if we use the low number of 104 and the three foot you've

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at least seven foot correct between the properties between the structures not not the problem between

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the structures that is correct that is correct and I would indicate I would also point to the

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letter that for 100 and 102 Duval Street that was written by the coordinating RCO both properties

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will not meet the side yard requirements by approximately five feet although not uncommon

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for the existing older homes on the block you made that point thank you okay any questions from

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the board no no i think i already asked that but anyone else would like to testify in this case if

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so please raise your hand and we would appreciate something new and different

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chairman we have charles richardson mr richardson

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he already testified you have more test more testimony can you hear me

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Yes.

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Okay.

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I just wanted to share my screen, if possible, because when you look at the other properties, as you go down the block on Deval Street, 106, 108, you know, throughout, there are significant side yards.

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And, you know, they keep being referred to as minimal, but they're not minimal.

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And, you know, there's nothing that even is close to the amount of space that exists within, you know, the properties going down the block.

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that's not been represented to you guys, you know, with the presentation.

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If you go further down the block on Google, you can actually just see what the, you know,

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that there are significant side yards going all the way down.

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So, you know, I just wanted to make sure that this is recorded accurately as, you know,

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because of the fact that this, you know, is being portrayed as, oh, there's either none or there's that.

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But when you go on that same block, there are plenty of side yards that have significant space.

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I agree, but I think you'd also would agree that there are some that are in the similar.

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Not on that block, Mr. Chair.

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Not on that block.

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Okay.

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Not on that block.

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Yeah, I don't know if that's the case.

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I mean, the point of the presentation was that most, if not all of those properties would not meet the side yard requirements of the zoning code of 8 feet each.

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All right. Anyone else would like to testify? Thank you, Mr. Richardson.

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Yeah, no hands up at this time, Chair.

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Thank you. Planning Commission.

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Good afternoon. David Vecteau, F-E-C-T-E-A-U, with the City Planning Commission.

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We're infirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Yes, sir, I do.

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Please proceed.

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Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman, members of the board, these properties are indicated for residential single-family use in the comprehensive plan. We have no objection to granting dimensional and parking variances on the three properties.

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Thank you. Alan, I just have a question. The width of the structure, 102 Duval, what is the width of that structure? Not the property line, the structure itself.

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well the lot is 19 feet and if we have uh let's see what's 102 let's see one down to 16 foot

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yeah 16 feet is that the same dimension for 100 uh 100 it's actually a wider uh a wider property

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is 21 feet, huh?

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The width is, yeah, it's 21 feet.

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Just curious if we can reduce the

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corner, the 100,

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and that would slide 102 over.

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Well, the lot's the lot

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size, right? So there's two twins,

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100's here and 102's

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here. So it doesn't matter.

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so it's not like i can take some from 100 to put it to 102 because they meet they they stay merge

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they're like two twins if you look i i know i understand that but what wouldn't it wouldn't

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tom correct me if i'm wrong i'm just using a number could you not make both of them 16 feet wide

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you could so it gives you 32 foot frontage and you pick up some more side yard well it's also

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So if you look at the – here, let me get the – where is the – is there –

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here let me get the uh where is the is there even make the corner 18 foot wide if you want a lot a

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larger uh prop a larger house there it's still then it would give you another three feet which

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gives you six foot side yard well no if i had if i'm 21 feet and i have a six foot side yard my

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my building structure is only 15 feet on the 100 you're making a 12 you're going to make it a twin

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you're going to keep them attached that's right right 100 would be just using a number 18 feet

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in width 102 would be 16 feet in width right so that you're taking three foot off of the corner

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property 100 making it 18 feet as opposed to 21 that that 18 feet 21 is the width of the lot not

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of the building structure well what size is the structure oh the structure oh the structure for a

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hundred is a hundred is 17 feet seven inches and change 18 feet it's 18 feet already all right

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and the other one is the other structure at 102 is 16 feet it is 16 feet but but but you have to

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look at it this is a regular shaped lot for 100 so some of it is actually more than the the here

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so some of it's wider in some spaces than others because of how it curves

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that's why at a minimum it's 17 is that the minimum

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17 and some change you said actually i'm sorry you know what the actual they're both 16 foot

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structure wide structures right here i'm looking at the site plan so 100 and 102 so it's as wide

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as a little over four feet and nine and a quarter inches and then i don't know what the and then

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it's as small as as three feet and four and a half inches but both structures are both 16 feet wide

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okay well that makes that makes a difference okay yeah all right um

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i'd like to look at this a little further i'd like to recommend that we hold this

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for one week in executive session um the record will be closed uh we'll render a decision at next

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Wednesday's two o'clock session. Next Wednesday would be the 20th of January. So case numbers

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2020-002588, case number 2020-002589, and case number 2020-002572 are being

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Cases closed and we will, executive session next Wednesday will render a decision.

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Thank you.

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New.

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Calendar number 2453, 164 Richmond Street.

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We have Dawn Tancredi.

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Ms. Tancredi, you've been promoted to panelists. You can speak now.

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Good afternoon, Dawn.

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I understand there's a letter of support.

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Good afternoon.

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Hi, Dawn. Can you put your name and address on the record and spell your last name, please?

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Sure. Dawn Tancredi, T-A-N-C-R-E-D-I. The address is 2005 Market Street, 16th floor, Philadelphia 19103.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Do you also agree to wave and stip?

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I do.

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As far as the accuracy of the refusal, it was accurate at the time it was issued, and there's been some changes to the plans, and two of the refusals have been eliminated.

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okay have you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance

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refusal or referral photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing

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and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter yes okay you may proceed okay thank you

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um good afternoon board don tancredi here today on behalf of shacks and maxim group llc and may

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I share my screen? Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta. Before you start, can I just say that

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I did run the revised plans by Sarah Adamo at L&I and she confirmed that it would eliminate two of

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the refusals. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Just a minute.

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I'm just trying to figure this out.

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Relax.

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And as the chairman said, we do have a letter of support from Fishtown.

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Correct.

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Can you see my screen?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So I'm here on behalf of the equitable owner.

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And as you mentioned, we do have support for this project.

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I would ask that my packet be incorporated into the record.

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it does show exhibits A through P. And so what we do have here is a plan to reinvigorate the

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corner of Shackamaxon and Richmond Street. What's there now? It's currently a structure that

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is plagued by poor construction and stucco issues. The plan is to demolish the existing

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structure and create a four-unit building the building is situated as you can see in the photos

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by i-95 the overpass it's also surrounded by similar buildings multi-family dwellings

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there's a four-unit building that sits adjacent to this property on either side both on the

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Shackamaxon side and the Richmond Street side and across the street directly across the street

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there is multi-family on the entire block we did meet with Fishtown neighbors they

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asked us to make some revisions to the plans which we incorporated

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and as I mentioned the changes to the plans eliminated two of the refusals so that the

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The only outstanding refusal is for the multifamily, and we believe that the hardship is supported

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by the surrounding multifamily uses.

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And with that, Rustin Ohler is available, the architect, to review the plans.

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Good afternoon, please identify yourself, spell your name for the record.

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mr oler you've been unmuted you can speak hi everybody um rustin oler o-h-l-e-r address 1225

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north 7th street philadelphia pa 19122 you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth

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nothing but the truth i do please proceed and i can stop sharing my screen if rustin wants to use

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It's okay, Dawn. You can just go to the next slide.

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Okay.

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So this is just the surrounding site context map of the current zone use of the surrounding properties.

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Our property is highlighted there in red.

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We're here today because the property is on RSA 5.

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We do have an awful lot area if it would be zoned RM1 that the four units would be compliant.

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So it is contextual to the neighborhood.

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As you can see, the three properties to the south of us, to the top left of the page,

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are also zone multifamily, four units and three units.

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The property just below that is also four units, so we're abutting two four-unit properties.

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And then immediately across the street on the other side of Shack of Maxon is a series of

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four-family dwellings as well.

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If you can go to the next slide.

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So this is just the ground floor plan, how we engage the sidewalks, corner property,

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infilling the curb cuts at the request of the community to add to on-street parking.

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All four units would have separate unit entry doors, you can see them highlighted in different

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colors there.

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You have two units at the first floor and basement with access to a common rear yard,

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and then the yellow and green are entry doors to the upper two units.

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if you can go to the next slide I can walk you through those so living space at the second floor

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two bedrooms and bathrooms at the third floor if you can keep going Don master suites at the fourth

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floor with access to pilot houses and roof decks that are set back and conform to all the

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dimensional requirements of the district next slide so that just brings you to the exterior

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so that just brings you to the exterior elevations as thought had mentioned at the request of the

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elevations as Don had mentioned at the request of the community

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community group we removed the parking from the rear yard made that accessible to the tenants

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I think.

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and introduced the fence there and we decreased the size of the pilot houses

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by sloping them they are set back so they wouldn't be visible from a pedestrian right away

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anywhere and then we changed all the facade materials to be

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red brick and more in keeping with some of the existing properties in the neighborhood

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also at the request of the community and that basically concludes the presentation just there's

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the other two elevations okay Ms. Tancree do you have a client you want to adopt your testimony

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yes Marius Karasevichis can you unmute him please yeah I genuinely do not know why I'm sharing this

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can you uh let me see i'm looking for his name now there yes yes

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there you are you can speak now after you unmute yourself good afternoon boards uh good afternoon

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sir please identify yourself spell your first and last name for the record my first name is

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Marius, M-A-R-I-U-S, and the last name Karusavichus, K-A-R-U-S-E-V-I-C-I-U-S.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Thank you.

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Ms. Tinkredi?

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Yes, thank you.

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Marius, have you heard my testimony here today?

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Yes, I did.

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And is it true and accurate?

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Yes, it is.

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And do you adopt it as though it were your own?

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Yes.

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Okay, thank you.

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thank you i'm sorry mr chair i would just like to summarize and point out that the letter from

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the community group does in fact agree that this project does conform to the surrounding

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properties uses thank you any questions from the board no no anyone else like to testify in this

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case. If so, please raise your hand. There are no hands at this time, Chair. Thank you. Planning

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Commission. Good afternoon. David Fecto, City Planning Commission. Mr. Chairman, members of

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the board, this property is indicated for residential single-family use in the comprehensive

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plan. The home behind this one on Shaka-Maxon is a four-unit building, and a large multi-unit

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building exists across the street. And since the FNA supports this proposal, we have no objection

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in granting this variance. Thank you very much. MI 2020-002453, 164 Richmond Street. My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes. Excuse me, this is Karen Saleta. It is with revised plans, two pages.

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Oh, sorry about that. MI 2020-002453, 164 Richmond Street. My vote is yes with the proviso.

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revised plan two pages approved today my vote is yes proviso yes proviso yes proviso yes with

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proviso uh before we go any further carol hold on a minute sharon if you sent us uh i guess you

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sent everybody a text message about one two twelve twenty two annon street yes if if you could um

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revote that with revised plans let me get that paperwork I had on that Sharon that's one page

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with revised plans that's right okay Carol do you have that information with you yes I do the one

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to Annan Street.

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My vote is yes with one page, revised plans.

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Approved today.

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Thank you.

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Approved today.

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My vote is yes with proviso.

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Yes with proviso.

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Yes with proviso.

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Yes with proviso.

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Thank you.

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We ready?

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Calendar number 2576,

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2011 North Woodstock Street.

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The next one, Carol.

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Aren't we on that?

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is two then what's next number seven's Woodstock as well

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and calendar number 2577-2034 North Woodstock Street

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thank you Mr. Nockamson you're still under oath

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Mr. Nockamson

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Alan you've been unmuted

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Alan, you've been unmuted.

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You've been promoted to panelists, Alan.

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Yes, I apologize.

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Clementa Amazon from my office will be presenting.

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Okay.

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Ms. Amazon, please put your name and address on the record and spell your last name, please.

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Ms. Amazon, you've been promoted to panelists. You may speak now.

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Thank you. Good afternoon. Clementa Amazon, C-L-E-M-E-N-T-A. Last name is A-M-A-Z-A-N.

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And your address, please? 123 South Broad Street,

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Suite 1600, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19109.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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You also agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy.

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Yes.

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Have you emailed an exhibit packet with the required documents, including proof of ownership, tax compliance, a copy of the refusal and referral, and or referral, photos and replans of the property five days in advance of this hearing, and have you met with the RCO, and do you have a letter?

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Yes, I do, and I have a letter of support.

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Thank you.

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You may proceed.

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Thank you. May I share my screen? Sure you may.

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Can everyone see that? Yes. Perfect. So good afternoon board. My name is Clementa Amazon and

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today I will be presenting 2011 and 2034 North Woodstock Street. They're identical properties

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in all material respects. So here I have a packet of exhibits, which includes the deed,

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certificate of tax clearance, notice of refusal. I also have certificate statements and rental

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licenses, application for appeal, maps, photographs, plans, as well as the letter of support, as I

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mentioned earlier. So here I have the deed for both properties, 2011 and 2034 North Woodstock,

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showing that it is loaned by Fifth Investments, LLC, the transfer tax certificate,

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certificate of tax compliance for 2011 North Woodstock, 2034 North Woodstock,

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and the notice of refusal, certificate statements, and rental licenses as well.

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So this is a peculiar instance where this property is currently a duplex,

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and we're simply looking to legalize it. So for all intents and purposes, when we received all

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of our documentation from LNI, it shows that it is a duplex, the rental license as well as

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the certification statement shows that it is a duplex. We tried to have this matter solved with

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LNI, but in light of COVID and everything else that's happening, it has been difficult. So we

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decided that the best way to go about it at this point would be through the variance process. So

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the only refusal that we do have is for the fact that it's a duplex which is already what LNI has

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deemed it to be and we're just looking to legalize that use and it's the same refusal for

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2034 North Woodstock as well. So here I have the certification statement for 2011 North Woodstock

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showing that it is the two-family dwelling and I also have and this is from 2016, February 19,

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2016 to be exact. I also have 2034 North Woodstock also to family dwelling dated to February 19th,

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2016. So dating back to 2018, the rental licenses that were issued by LNI also stated that the

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number of units were two. So as you can see here, this is from 2020, 2019, 2018, and 2017,

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all for 2011 North Woodstock and then 2034 exact same situation goes back to 2020 2019 2018 and

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2017 as well all stating that the number of units is two and this one is also for 2016 for 2034

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North Woodstock so I also have the application for appeal this one's for 2011 North Woodstock

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our notice of refusal for the two-family use which is already in the property we're simply

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trying to legalize it again we've had issues dealing with this through lni so we're seeking

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to go through the variance process as the path of least resistance

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application for appeal for 2034 again same refusal proposed two-family use

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here we have a map of properties are across the street from each other

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similar lot size they are the same in all material respects another map of the property

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They are the same in all material respects.

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Another map of the property, a Google map rather showing the area.

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a google map

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Photographs, so this is 2011 North Woodstock from the front.

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To the right of the property, to the left of the property.

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23-4 North Woodstock, again, identical structure.

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This is the front of the property, to the right of the property, to the left of the property.

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I have a few interior pictures as well.

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23-4 North Woodstock interior.

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year. So again, it's a duplex. Excuse me. So this is 2011 Woodstock, 2034 Woodstock.

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And we met with the community and they did provide us with a letter of support. As you

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can see, we met with them on December 7th at 6pm via Zoom, and they expressed support

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for this project. So we mailed out the notices and this is our 144 properties that we notified.

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a certificate of mailing, the properties that we notified for 2011 North Woodstock,

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and the same materials provided for 2034, 136 properties were notified,

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our certificate of mailing, a list of the properties that were notified as well.

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And that concludes my presentation. If I could just have my client adopt my testimony.

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His name is Francis Popak.

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Is Popak you allowed to speak?

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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon, sir.

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Please identify yourself with a record first and last name.

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Spell your last name.

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Francis Popak.

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P as in Paul.

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O as in Oscar.

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P as in Paul.

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E as in Edward.

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K as in Kevin.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed.

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Thank you.

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Fran, you heard my testimony to that?

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Yes.

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And would you say that it was true and correct?

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Yes.

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And if given the opportunity, would you adopt it as your own?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions that the board may have.

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Thank you.

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Any questions from the board?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Anyone else would like to testify in this case?

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If so, please raise your hand.

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there are no hands up at this time chair planning commission good afternoon david

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fecto city planning commission mr chairman members of the board these two properties

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are indicated for residential single family use in the city's comprehensive plan there appear to

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be three new multi-family structures on this block we do not oppose legalizing two existing duplexes

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Thank you very much. MI 2020-002576, 2011 North Woodstock, and MI 2020-002577, 2034 North

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Woodstock. My vote is yes on both. My vote is yes on both. Yes to both. Yes to both. Yes

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Thank you, Ms. Anadine.

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Thank you.

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Calendar number 1577-2301-13, North 8th Street.

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Carol, is that Mr. Clinton's case?

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Yes.

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That is Mr. Clinton's case.

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Mr. Clinton, you've been promoted to panelists.

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Hi, Mr. Clinton. Can you put your name and address on the record, please?

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Yes, I can. Henry Clinton, 1313 South 33rd Street, Philadelphia PA, 19146, the Queen Memorial Building.

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Thank you. Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you also agree to wave and skip?

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I do.

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have you emailed the exhibit packet with the required documents proof of ownership

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max compliance refusal referral photos and plans of the property five days in advance of this

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hearing and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter yes i have okay you may proceed

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thank you miss daniels can i share my screen please yes

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is this large enough to see mr chairman uh yes and i understand it's a letter of support

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all right correct thank you

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this is the presentation binder or evidence binder which contains table of contents exhibits aa to

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A10, current statement, this project is a large vacant lot, used to be used for automobile

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vacant lot. It used to be used for automobile storage and repairs. It's a

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storage and repairs.

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blend of CMX2 and i2. On the phone with me is the representative of the

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applicant, Joseph Gitterman, as well as the architect of record, Rustin Olwer. You

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can see the zoning designation is CMX2 and i2. You see the duration of the

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somewhat odd-looking lot, you'll see it's about 50-50 split between the two, and that split has

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resulted in some refusals. Refusals are dimensional, height 38 feet, as well as we're requesting 39

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dwelling units, and in the CMX2 zone, only 25 would be permitted, but as I said, we're in a blended

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zoning district area of CMX2 and I2. We did meet with both the 34th Republican Ward and the 34th,

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excuse me, 37th Ward, and they looked at the project. In fact, we had two or three meetings,

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and this is a letter of support. There's also discussions with the community group

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about a community benefits agreement, and that has been resolved, I believe, to the satisfaction

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of the community group. This is a summary sheet indicating that the vote was 9-0 in favor of the

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project. So here is the site plan, well, aerial view, excuse me, of the plot. This is Dolphin

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Street, A Street, and the street that runs on an angle here is Germantown Avenue. So the idea is

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to have residential in this area on the larger piece and the little area that's jotting out to

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or jotting out to Germantown Avenue. The first floor is going to be commercial because Germantown

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Avenue is a commercial corridor and above the commercial unit on the first floor will be

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additional apartments. The commercial space is about 1,200 square feet or so.

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We do have some changes to the plans that have to do with the facade and the egress wells.

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There's actually two pages if the board looks kindly upon this proposal.

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We're including some photographs of the lot. You can see it's pretty much an eyesore right now.

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There's an abandoned trailer and a number of abandoned automobiles on the lot.

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So the project is to have commercial in this area, as well as, excuse me, to have residential in this area, as well as residential in this area above the commercial space.

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There is some parking coming off of Dolphin Street and park behind the building.

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Rustin, if you want to break in at any time, you certainly can. I don't mean to hog your presentation, but I'll start.

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Can I walk through the plans quickly? So this is just the basement, Hank, if you can keep going.

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So utilities and extending the commercial space down to the basement.

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This is the ground floor plan where you can see the parking underneath the building off one curb cut at the corner there.

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uh entry lobby uh to the north as well as like a community room um both to the tenants and

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accessible to the community uh elevator building interior trash storage um and uh yeah if you zoom

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out so there you can see the commercial space uh to the north it's a lot longer than that it's it's

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cut um didn't fit on the page but it's about i think 1900 square feet it's about 20 feet wide

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the width of the entire lot. You can go to the next slide. You have your typical

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upper floor plans. Mixture of one bed and two bedroom units. Same floor plan at second through

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fourth floors. Roof plan. No roof deck. And then here you can see the facades of the building.

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8th Street is on the left-hand side of the page

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and the southern elevation

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of Dolphin Street is on the right-hand side of the page.

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The rear of the building you can see to the left there and then on the far right

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is the elevation of Germantown Avenue, continuous storefront

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at the ground floor. Next thing.

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Just the artist's rendering of looking at the building

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of looking north

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at the corner of 8th and Dauphin.

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And I think that's it, Hank,

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other than there's any drawings.

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So in summary,

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this is basically

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A 39-unit residential apartment complex with some commercial and parking, as well as bike spaces.

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a 39-unit residential

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apartment complex

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with some...

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We're going to have six studio apartments, 26 one-bedroom and four two-bedroom apartments.

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As Rustin pointed out, there's amenity space for not only residents of the building, but also community groups, not just one community group, but multiple community groups.

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There's also an elevator and trash storage within the building.

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we think this is a unique physical situation uh not only the lot uh but also the size of the lot

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the blend of the cmx2 and the i2 which was have resulted in some refusals which otherwise would

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not be if it was all cmx2 we believe that the building fits in with the character of the

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neighborhood it's in harmony with the code and certainly in harmony with what the the community

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group want it and support it. So with that, I would like to unmute Mr. Gitterman and ask him

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if he could adopt my testimony and also entertain any questions from the board.

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Excuse me, Mr. Gitterman. Please identify yourself with a record. Spell your last name.

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Mr. Gitterman you can speak after you'll meet yourself yes how are you everybody

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hello Mr. Gitterman yes I think the chairman wants to swear you in

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Sure.

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Mr. Gitterman, please spell your last name.

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My first name is Joseph, J-O-S-E-P-H, and my last name is Gitterman, G-I-T-E-R-M-I-N.

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And you swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

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Yes, I do.

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Please proceed.

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Mr. Gitterman, have you heard my testimony as well as the testimony of Mr. Oler?

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Yes, I did.

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If you had the opportunity to testify, would you adopt our testimony as your own and as true and correct?

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yes i do thank you mr government with that mr chairman i rest and ask that all my exhibits be

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admitted into evidence noted any questions from the board no no

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would anyone else like to testify in this case if so please raise your hand

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there are no hands up at this time chair you planning commission good afternoon david fecto

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city planning commission mr chairman members of the board this property is zoned commercial mixed

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use and medium industrial but the comprehensive plan recommends residential multi-family

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the proposed height and density are not out of scale with the remaining industrial buildings

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on adjacent blocks we do not oppose granting these variances very much mi2020-001577

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7-230-13 North 8th Street. My vote is yes. My vote is yes. Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta.

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It's with revised plans, two pages. With revised plan, two pages approved today.

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My vote is yes with proviso. Yes with proviso. Yes with proviso. Yes with proviso. Thank you.

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thank you very much thank you yes 12 13 14 15 and 16. calendar number 3 1 4 4 38 36 Haverford

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Avenue calendar number 2 5 6 5 39 20 Haverford Avenue calendar number 2 5 7 9 39 30

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calendar number 2564-3918 Haverford Avenue and calendar number 3143-3926 Haverford Avenue.

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The attorney is Joe Consul.

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Mr. Consul, you've been promoted to panelists.

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Mr. Consul, can you put your name and address on the record, please?

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I can, but first a point, number 2020-2943, 813 North 40th Street.

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That's part of this package.

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It's the same developer, and it's a block away, and the same RCO.

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And where?

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It's number 19.

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Number 19 on our list.

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Calendar number 2943, 813 North 40th Street.

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Name and address, please, and spell your last name.

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Joseph Consul, that's C-O-N-S-O-L-E, Consul Madison, LLP, that is 1 West 3rd Street, Suite 204, Media, Pennsylvania, 19063.

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Joseph Consul.

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That's C-O-N-S-O-L-E, Consul.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you also agree to waive and stip?

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I do.

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and have you emailed an exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax clearance a copy of the refusal

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or referral photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing and have

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you met with the rco and do you have a letter i did i have and i do yes we we sent you everything

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we've met with them and we have a letter of support okay thank you you may proceed

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Good afternoon, board. Joe Consul here on six properties, four of which are on the 3900 block of Haverford Avenue. That's 3918-3920-3926 and 3930, one of which is on the 3800 block, one block away, 3836 Haverford Avenue, and one of which is on 813 North 40th Street.

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which is just around the corner from the other five properties.

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With me somewhere out there in Zoom land is a client representative of the owner, German Yakubov.

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He'll speak in a minute.

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These six properties are all zoned RM1.

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We have four identical refusals for the four properties on Haverford Avenue.

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Those are density refusals. We are allotted four units, but are seeking six units. These are all existing rehabs in properties that a client has owned and has been renting out.

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uh that's these guys here the 3836 Haverford Avenue is an empty lot it is a new construction

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uh the refusals for 3836 is for density and for a side yard refusal and then um

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finally we have 813 north 40th street that is also an empty lot and that is new construction

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the refusal again for density and also includes an open air open area refusal a rear yard depth

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refusal and a height of roof deck refusal I can start with the the various layouts like I said

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the four properties on the 3900 block and I'm going to have my client walk through the plans

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when I, when I call him are, uh, all six, uh, six units each between four and 500 square feet for

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each unit. Um, the, I think it'll make sense for him to walk through the plans. When I get there,

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I'll go through the rest of my stuff.

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The property at 3836 is seven units, and the property at 813 North 40th is six units.

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We met with the Mantua Civic Association on December 21st.

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We received the letter of support, support of the civic, and near-unanimous support of the neighbors.

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We had 25 neighbors in attendance, and it was 21 to 4 and a 22 to 1 vote.

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They chunked together the Haverford properties and the North 40th Street property as a separate letter.

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Regarding each refusal, first off, the Haverford blocks that we're building on

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is kind of a continuing project and vision of my client.

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He's been building on that property.

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It was previously populated with empty lot,

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boarded up buildings, and other multifamily units.

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It's not primarily a single family block, zoned RM1.

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There is a 35-unit building on the block,

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two 12-unit buildings, seven-unit building,

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which was approved by the ZBA two years ago.

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My client has been collecting these properties for the last 13 years.

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They are utilized now as college rentals, not single-family buildings.

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Based on experience and the community feedback, my client saw a need for smaller units, not

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larger rentals for college students as they are now.

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My client believes this is in line with what the area is looking for, and he believes...

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My client believes this is in line with what the area is looking for, and he believes rehabilitation on this block of Haverford will be a boon for the city and will create market and below market rate rentals to people in the area that need housing.

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I believe someone spoke earlier today on the two o'clock docket about this area and the direction

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it's moving. Additionally, this will allow my client to engage private trash companies to keep

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his properties clear of trash. And again, he'll speak to that when I call him in a minute.

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um regarding the property specifically of 813 north 40th this is a uh a block that is almost

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entirely empty lots there's only one building on the block um the other properties being developed

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there coincidentally are actually um being developed by my client uh almost exactly a year

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ago we received approvals for the same variances we're seeking today um for the properties located

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at 801, 803, 807, 811, and 815 North 41st Street. So my client is doing the exact thing

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we're seeking approval of on the rest of the block. These are properties that he has in

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the interim acquired on this block to continue his efforts. There's density variances for

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all the properties. This density variance is for the community benefit in order to make the

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units affordable and below market rate. My client's committing to making a third of the units

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affordable across all the properties. He uses all private investments. He doesn't rely on any

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government subsidies to buy these. He's been building using the strategy in the neighborhood

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for the last 11 years. And the ZBA board, as I said before, approved this specific variance

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exactly a year ago, as well as prior to that for the properties located at 800 to 804 North 41st

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Street, as well as 825 North 41st Street, 609 North 39th, and 3936 Haverford Avenue.

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Okay, so again, it's similar to what we're seeking today. We're not asking for ridiculous

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amounts of units. There's already buildings this size on the block as well as much larger building

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on the block as I talked about before. We have trash plans in place for each property and when

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my client helps walk us through the plans he'll discuss it in more detail but for the properties

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on Haverford Avenue each property has both access to the basement but also every floor of the

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property has a trash storage breezeway that's measured out to include cans for space for all

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the units which will allow tenants to store trash in the open air but on the floor of their own

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property not in the basement until trash day and trash day with his private company will be three

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times a week. For the remaining properties for 38-36 again we'll explain it when we walk through

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the plans but the trash can be kept up kept off the street in a trashy area in the rear of the

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property and for 813 north 40th there's a common dumpster area in the back specific to that

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property that again will get picked up three times a week 3836 and I'm kind of jumping around

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but 3836 has a second variance and that's for side yard whiff this property has

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no alley. Because of that, we had no alley in the back. Because of that, we had no means

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of egress for someone looking to get out of the back of the property. We made the building

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skinnier to create a four-foot wide alley along the side of the building for ingress

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and egress. It's not in compliance with the 12-foot side yard that us trying to create

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the four-foot created that need for a 12-foot by the code. But the lot itself is only 18

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feet wide so 12 foot alley would only leave room for a six foot wide building which is impractical

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again there's an additional unit in 3836 and when we walk through the plans we'll show you how all

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that shakes out but the property itself is actually going to be built slightly above grade so

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a unit in the basement would not be below grade. I'll have my client walk through that

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in a minute, too. No sleeping rooms would be underground. There's window wells for

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additional natural light, and 3836 would contain a handicap accessible unit.

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3836 would contain a handicap accessible unit. A 13 north 40th is identical to the approvals

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a 13

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or to the refusals we got from last March.

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This is new construction. There is going to be a hallway leading to the back for trash storage

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picked up three times a week as I said. There's an open area variance. This variance flows directly

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from the same argument um for the density variance we need the space for these properties

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to support the rental rates uh we're going to rent these for uh i don't think we're so far off

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of the open air uh or the or the rear yard um the rear yard setback uh the entire entire building

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has access to the rear yard contains access to the storage space for each unit um plenty of space for

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all the folks who store their trash uh prior to pickup day and that's something that my client

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will speak to. He's very sensitive of it as he's been dealing with it in that area for a long time.

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The roof deck height refusal here is by virtue of roof decks being strictly mechanical. Because of

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that the pilot house is not given any kind of leeway as it would if the roof deck were for

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tenants use. So we have a roof deck refusal here even though it would be by right had this been

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an accessible roof deck uh and again we'll walk through all the plans in a second we don't believe

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this is a controversial series of projects uh we had a large rco turnout last year and an even

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larger zoom turnout this year uh for the same kinds of projects on the same blocks and we

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believe there'll be a net positive for the neighborhood and part of the revitalization

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that the neighborhood actually wants um let me call german if i can so he can talk to us about

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his plans. What's the last name of the person? Yakubov with a Y. Okay. Mr. Yakubov, you can

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unmute yourself and speak. Good afternoon. How is it? Hi. Please spell your full name.

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sure uh german g-e-r-m-a-n the last name is yakova y-a-k-u-b-o-v

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you swear in the firm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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i do so if i'm please proceed and uh unless anybody has questions i think you could summarize

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it would be helpful yeah so um in summary the i guess i'll talk about it in three different

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groups. So the properties on the 3,900 block of Haverford Avenue, they're all six studio

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apartments. We've been in the neighborhood for about 13 years. A lot of our rentals are low

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income. We accept subsidies. And in order to make these units affordable, we needed the increased

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density. We've been doing this for, like I said, about 13 years with the help of the ZBA. We've

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gotten many variances on this block as well as the 3,800 block at Howiford Avenue to increase

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density to six units. It's pretty straightforward plan. There are two units per floor. We have a

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unit in the front and a unit in the back. We also have in the breezeway area there, there are no

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windows. So it's a perfect place to take trash off of the Howiford Avenue side. And that's a

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challenge has been a challenge for us in previous years when the building was

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used as a single-family house. We had a lot of college students live there so

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always be trash out front and on trash day even after the city comes by there's

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always a lot of trash on the street. So these this new layout allows us to keep

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the trash off of the street in an enclosed area and we're still outside so

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protects the inside of the building from having a vermin or pests and we've

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hired private trash pickup to pick up the trash three times a week like we have in our other

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buildings. That's pretty much the the gist of these buildings. There's going to be a roof deck

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and the roof deck is only accessible by one of the apartments. It's not a common roof deck for

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everybody but it is primarily used for that one apartment and it will be there to access the

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mechanical space because a lot of the condensers will be on the roof. So that kind of sums up

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the properties on the 3900 block at Habakkuk. Joe, if you want to go to the 40th Street property?

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Got it.

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Talk about that one. So this exact building, we actually got a variance for in March from this

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Ward right before the pandemic hit. It was three identical buildings, 803, 807, and 811

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North 40th, and as well as 815 North 41st Street. These are six one-bedroom buildings.

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and as well as 815 north 41st street um these are six one bedroom buildings two i'm sorry yeah six

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one bedroom units two of the units of the first four are bi-level there are no sleeping rooms on

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the lower level only living room and kitchen both of the bedrooms are on the main level which sits

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pretty high up even the lower level it was only like two or three feet below ground um so we we

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We actually purchased this property from the Housing Authority this past year or last month, actually.

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So we asked for the same variance that we got in March.

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We met with the community back in March.

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We had an in-person meeting.

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We had a unanimous vote of 22 or 22 people to none.

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This time around, there was one person opposing out of, again, I think 22 or 23 people on the call.

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So we've had great support for these projects as well as the ones at Haverford Avenue.

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If you want to switch back to the 3836.

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So 3836 is very similar in design to a variance that was granted for our property that we own also at 3936 Haverford Avenue about two years ago.

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This is seven units.

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We have one unit that's kind of about two feet in the basement area, which is in the front.

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Most of the unit, again, is above ground.

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And the way the lot is slope, it's kind of like on a steep slope in the back.

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So there's about a six-foot difference between the back of the building and the front of the building.

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So we decided to make the unit that's in the lower level be in the front of the building

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So it's only a couple of feet, maybe like, oh, I think I said two feet above, below ground.

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Yeah, there's the grade.

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Yeah, so as you can see, the grade is pretty significant.

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So we decided to utilize that grade to have an accessible unit that's handicap accessible with a wheelchair.

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And we needed to make the building a little bit narrower because there is no alley.

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And that's the only property on the block that doesn't have a common alley in the back.

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so we had to pretty much allow for somebody in the back units to be able to hop out of a window

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in case of a fire and then escape to Haverford Avenue and the only way to do that was to make

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the entire building about four foot narrower. The zoning code calls for a 12 foot side yard

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which is really impractical on 18 foot lots so it means you know we only have a six foot wide

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building so like I said this building is pretty much the same plan that was approved about February

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at 2018 for 39, 36. And we've gotten, I think there's only one person that opposed this project

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also during the RCA meeting out of 24 or 25 people that were there. I think that's it.

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Okay, thank you. I assume, sir, you, Mr. Consul, if you want to go through the motions of asking

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your client if he adopts your testimony. Mr. Yakubov, did you hear all my testimony today

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prior to you speaking? I did. Do you adopt it as your own? I do. Do you have anything else you'd

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like to add? No, I didn't answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you. Questions from the board?

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no no anyone else would like to testify in this case if so please raise your hand

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here there's a George Black Mr. Black you can unmute yourself and speak

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yes sir good afternoon Mr. Black please identify yourself your record name and address

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Yes, George Black, B-L-A-C-K is the last name, 3919 Haverford Avenue.

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You swear to the firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Please proceed.

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Yes, I want to go back to the attorney, Mr. Joseph, as he started out by saying that...

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Joe, stop sharing your screen. Stop sharing your screen.

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Mr. Black, please proceed. We're getting some feedback.

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My apologies.

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Oh, that's okay. I think someone was telling him to stop showing his screen.

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But I want to go back first to him stating that this block was a block of bacon lots,

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which would be incorrect when I speak of the block, speak of the 3900 block of Haverford Avenue.

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This block has always had single-family residential homes.

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With regards to the State Store, which is now a 32-unit apartment building,

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which is now in a 32-unit apartment building.

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Also, I object to the adding additional apartments

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to the five buildings, 39, 18, 20, 24, 26, and 30.

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um uh i agree with uh ellen i with not having the not having the ample enough space not only that

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the fact that since they have been acquiring property on this block which was back in 2008

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uh their first one which being 39 18 they have brought nothing but uh trash on this block a

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multitude of trash. We've been down this road two years ago, Chairman, with 3936 when Mr.

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Jacopo said that they would actually change and get and provide ample enough trash pickup

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for their tenants, which they haven't yet. Also, it brings on a multitude of vehicles.

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Again, I can't stress enough with the 32-unit building that was approved for that brought no type of off-street parking has stressed our block to the breaking point.

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Now they want to add more. Two years ago, Chairman, I'd like to bring back where you yourself told him that you would give him the approval for 3936 for three two-bedroom units with no living quarters in the basement.

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And as of now, there's a seven unit that's built out past the landscape of every property on that block that exists.

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And then not only that, they want to also go higher.

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Actually, they don't want to go higher.

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They've already built it out.

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No, they're building it out now.

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So all five of these buildings are being rehabbed now to the specs that has been turned down.

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So somewhere there's a breakdown here.

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I don't know where, but there's a breakdown because they've already building these properties out to these dimensions.

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So that's my take on it, the whole thing.

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And they definitely also, I like to add, that they definitely didn't get the neighbor's approval because I sat in that Zoom meeting in December, and there were only three people on that block that was in that meeting.

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One of which was the recent owner of 3926, who sold their building to them, and a person that lives in 3936.

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So they didn't get the approval of the neighbors, none of the neighbors.

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If I may respond.

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mr black were you uh in attendance on my call yes i was in attendance um uh chairman and it

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was 29 people uh what they do is they stack the deck when they're having these meetings

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and they're not represented by the by none of the none of the neighbors if they want it if they want

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it true and transparency then they would make sure that all of the neighbors would be on that

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on that meeting that call that zoom call which they did well notification was put out i mean

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you obviously were on the call how did you get how did you know to be on the call because someone

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slept the slipped the the envelope in my door well it's delivered by the post office okay well

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Yeah, I mean, they have to show proof, and I believe they did have to show proof that mailings were they did the right correct mailings to the addresses that are supplied to them by the RCO and Planning Commission.

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If some if other people chose not to be on the call, I mean, there's nothing any the applicant or anybody else could do.

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So I just want to go back to one other thing. Your opening statement, you said that this block is single family or was single family.

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No, it is single-family. And not only is it single-family, Chairman, just before the previous councilwoman, Blackwell, just before she...

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A previous councilwoman, Blackwell, just before she left office, she held a meeting stating that that corridor would stay single family.

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And then also the current councilwoman stated that she would do the same thing as well.

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Okay, thank you.

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Anyone else would like to testify in this case?

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Please raise your hand.

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there are no hands at this time chair thank you i i think i asked the board but i'll ask again

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any questions from the board no planning commission no commission

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good afternoon david effecto city planning commission mr chairman members of the board

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these properties are indicated for residential multi-family use in the comprehensive plan

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We have no objection to a multiple unit proposal on each lot.

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However, we believe this proposal represents an overuse of these lots.

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And as we usually do, we wanted to note that any affordability mentioned is not guaranteed if the applicant does not have an agreement with the city.

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So we oppose granting these variances.

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Mr. Consul, where are we on the agreement with the city on affordable?

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I believe my client, German, would like to weigh in both on the previous comments by Mr. Black and the affordability bit.

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German?

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Sure.

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So we've been in the neighborhood for about 11 years.

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We've been doing affordable housing way before the city had any option for a buyout or anything.

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So that's the reason we've been getting granted variances in the past.

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And that's why every time we come back to the community, the community supports us because we house veterans who were homeless the day before they move into our apartments.

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We take subsidies from PHA, just like the property we bought from PHA last month.

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We have a relationship with them.

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It's nothing new.

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So that part, you know, we do without making the agreement with the city.

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To make that agreement with the city would limit our ability to get funding based on the way that we get funding for these projects.

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To address Mr. Black's objections, the majority of the block is owned by us.

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So any neighbors that would have been on that call that live in a single family house,

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I believe there are only six single family homes that are on the block that are occupied by longtime residents.

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Mr. Black being one of them, you know, George and I go back to when we bought the first property on 3918 back in 2008, so I'm very familiar with him.

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The neighbor that we just, that he mentioned, Ms. Sneed, 3926 Halford, who we just purchased the property from, you know, I should have asked her to come here as well.

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But she supports the project because she knows what we've been doing in the community.

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We've been her neighbor for, next door neighbor for a better part of a decade.

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We fixed our roof, just like we've done with other neighbors on the block.

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We're a good neighbor, and we've aspired to be that.

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And that's why we've been on the block for the last, you know, 11, 12, 13 years now, I guess.

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Time flies by.

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So that's kind of what I would lean back on.

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And the affordability, you know, the councilwoman's office isn't opposing this project.

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But Haverford Avenue has always been a multifamily, an RM1 zoned corridor.

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There are other streets in Mantua where, yeah, the whole array of blocks have been rezoned to single-family use.

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Haverford Avenue is not one of those streets.

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Thank you. I just have one other question.

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Mr. Black, I believe in his testimony, and correct me if I'm wrong, stated that 3836 Haverford, this board approved six dwelling units in the past.

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No, 3936 Harford Avenue in February of 2018 approved seven units, and that's pretty much an identical layout that we're seeking for 3836.

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The only difference being 3836 has an alley, it doesn't stand the entire width of the lot, whereas 3936 does.

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Understood, thank you.

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And just to be clear, the only variance we're seeking for the 3900 block of Haverford Avenue is a use variance.

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The entire rest of the building is compliant with the code.

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So this is the least variance that we can ask for.

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Understood.

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As it relates to trash, do you have commercial?

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Yeah, so we do.

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So we contract with Gold Medal that picks up trash in our property at 601 North 39th Street, which is the corner of 39th and Haverford.

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and that's what we intend to do with these projects as well once they're

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occupied up until this point we've been utilized as a single-family house even

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Up until this point, they've been utilized as a single family house, even though the number of people that have lived in there are much more than the number of units that are going to be here.

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though the number of people

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So the trash that they had would always overflow onto the street and it would be a city pickup.

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In this case, it's private pickup three times a week.

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Thank you again.

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Okay.

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All right.

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I did ask the board.

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Anybody have any questions again?

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Yes.

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Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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i think i think that the developer should start filling out the form the required form by city

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planning for a low density housing bonus he doesn't have that so that form requires us to

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have a uh a 50-year deed restriction on the property and because of that deed restriction

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we cannot get funding for the for the properties or we have to pay sixty thousand dollars if we

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pay $60,000, we can't make the units affordable. Other developers get that form filled out?

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Well, they probably pay the $60,000 to buy it out, and they don't make the units affordable.

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I don't think you're correct.

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Planning Commission, I guess, would they be able to share some light on that?

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Yeah, can the Planning Commission weigh in on this?

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I de facto, again, City Planning Commission, I don't have those numbers in front of me.

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We'd have to get a report to the board.

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It's usually $30,000 per additional unit that we would see.

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So we can, in theory, bypass getting a variance by paying $60,000 to the city.

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But in turn, the city won't have the benefit of having affordable housing, which we've provided for over a decade to this community.

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And just to relay, the 32-unit building across the street, none of it is affordable.

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Those are $1,500 a month, one-bedroom apartments.

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Ours are $875 to $1075, and they go up in floors.

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So $875 first floor, $975 second floor, $1075 third floor.

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I don't think you're correct, but please, in the future, come with the form.

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Okay.

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are there any revised plans mr consul uh yes we have we have one set of revised plans that we need

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to submit the uh for 38 36 however for them for 38 36 however one page excuse me mr consul have

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you submitted the form and the plan to me no i only i got the forms a little while ago i'll

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submit both of those to you um okay it won't be able to be voted until you do that's that's fine

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but we'll do the others we can do the others correct yes um mr council can you get it to us

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by the end of the day i can yeah okay so maybe vote that one property at the 3 30 session

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yeah if you get that material to uh mitchelletta we'll do that the 3 30 session okay okay uh

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MI 2020-002-565-3920-Frankford Avenue MI 2020 Haverford What did I say?

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Frankfurt. Did I really? You really did. Let me start over again.

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20 MI 2020-002-565-3920 Haverford Avenue. MI 2020-002579-3930 Haverford Avenue.

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MI 2020-002564-3918 Haverford Avenue

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MI 2020-003143-3926 Haverford Avenue

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and MI 2020-002943-813 North 40th Street

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My vote is yes on all that I just read into the record

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okay my vote is yes on all cases

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oh let me add something on all of those um with the proviso commercial trash pickup on all

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cases that were just read into the record understood my vote is yes with proviso

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yes with proviso

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my vote is no

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Calendar number 2575, 4237-45 Walnut Street.

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Carol, did you get that text message from Sharon about Jen?

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Yeah.

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do you want me to hear that before this one uh yeah why don't we do that and uh is it okay

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Do you want me to hear that before this one?

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Yeah.

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though sharon and since it's on the 3 30 list i mean it's it's after 3 30 so okay i didn't know

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but if i had to do the uh okay we'll go forward with it all right mr just give us a minute

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mr jen has a 5 30 rco meeting so we want to get him out of here calendar number zero four four

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9, 2218 North

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Marshall Street.

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Mr. Jin?

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Mr. Jin, you can promote it to panelists.

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You can speak. Hi, can you

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put your name and address on the record, please, and

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spell your last name? Yes.

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Zen Jin, Z-H-E-N, J-I-N,

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1617 John F. Kennedy

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Boulevard, Suite 1838,

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Philadelphia, PA, 19103.

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And do you swear?

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Before you go any further, I just, I don't, I may

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have been muted i just want to let mr patterson know uh at the request of mr jen he has a 5 30

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rco meeting that's why we're taking his case out of order that's fine thank you i appreciate the

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accommodation do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do do you

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also agree to waive and stip i do have you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax

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compliance refusal referral photos plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing have

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met with the RCO and do you have a letter? Yes to all questions. Thank you, you may proceed. Thank

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you. I'm going to share with the board the information relating to this case. This is an

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application to use a property that is currently zoned CMX as a residential only. I have submitted

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the refusal, community letter, photos, plans, tax clearance, and related documentation ahead of time.

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For the board's reference, this is not the only property we've done in this area.

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I don't know if the board recall, we did a larger property where the city council office

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worked a commercial unit out with us.

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In return for that, these other smaller lots, when we requested for just residential to

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waive the commercial space, the council president's office is not objecting to that request.

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West. The APM RCO also realized that because the area is very vacant and no neighbors really came

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to give feedback, they took no position in particular on this as well. As you can see from

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the photograph here, this is Marshall Street and it is off on the corner of Germantown and it is

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not really an active corridor of any sort at this point. Residential properties being placed here

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makes sense as on 8th street and what is existing right now there are many development that's being

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put in mostly as commercial we are however going to see at least one commercial space somewhere

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on north 8th street but with a much bigger development but this one is a single row home

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sized lot in this case we're proposing to simply have the first floor unit also be a residential

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unit this would make it total of three units as the other two would be by right according to the

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code in the design it is going to be first floor being a rather large unit with the basement and

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then second floor and third floor each is a smaller unit none of these are going to be heavily set

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up to be heavily dense these are relatively simple units from a design standpoint we have

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again received no objection from the neighbors or the community and we would ask the board for

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favorable review of this application i would be happy to answer any questions from the board

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is there any questions

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I'm sorry can the board hear me

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yes I have no questions

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thank you my client is here it's Mr. Joseph Gitterman

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if the board would like him to affirm my testimony.

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I'm only able to hear the chairman.

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I don't know if he's trying to speak.

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Yes, how are you?

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You can unmute yourself and speak.

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Yes, how are you?

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Hi, Joseph, how are you?

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Please be chair.

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We can't hear you if you are speaking.

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I'm speaking.

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Yes, how are you?

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Not you, Joseph.

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of the chairman.

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I think he's going to go out and come back in.

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That's what it looks like.

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I'm back.

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i'm back can you hear me now yes all right please mr gitterman i believe you're already

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Can you hear me now?

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Yes.

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All right.

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Please, Mr. Gitteman, I believe.

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still under oath from earlier yes i did okay mr jen thank you mr gitterman you heard my testimony

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before the zoning board and my representations relating to the case can you verify that it's

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true and correct and adopt the testimony as your own yes i do thank you okay questions from the board

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did we lose the planning commission

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i believe we have um lost uh mr effecto he will be logging out and coming back in

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Okay.

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Oh, there's Ron.

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Excuse me, Ron.

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We can't hear you.

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Okay.

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Good afternoon.

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Nicole Ozdemir with the Planning Commission staff. My last name is O-Z-D-E-M-I-R.

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Chair.

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um you're chairman you're muted

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mr chair i'm sorry we can't hear you again

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can you hear me now yes yes i'm sorry i've been having problems okay nicole yes please identify

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yourself your record spell your name and i'll swear you in sure nicole ozdemir from the planning

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commission staff n-i-c-o-l-e last name is o-z-d-e-m-i-r thank you swear and affirm to tell

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the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do please proceed thank you uh while this property

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is indicated for commercial mixed use on the comprehensive plan giving the existing neighborhood

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context we have no objection to the granting of the variants. Thank you very much MI 2020-000449

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2218 North Marshall Street my vote is yes. My vote is yes.

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My vote is yes.

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okay

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is carol there

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yes my vote is yes i was muted no problem then you can call the next case thank you

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calendar number 2575 4237 45-45 walnut street

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Mr. Patterson?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Okay. Wow.

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Sir, can you please put your name and address on the record?

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Sure. Ronald Patterson, Claire Harrison Law Firm, 1835 Market Street, Philadelphia EPA 19103.

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Do you swear a firm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you also agree to waive and stip?

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I would waive. I can't agree to stipulate because there's a deficiency.

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okay have you emailed an exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance refusal referral

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photos and plans five days of the property five days in advance of this hearing and have you met

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with the rco and do you have a letter uh yes to all of the above okay you may proceed thank you

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you can see my screen i take it uh yes with the cars and the buildings yes yes so uh this is uh

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this regards a 4237 Walnut Street. It's near the corner of 43rd Street. This is a picture

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of the existing conditions. This is the building that's at issue. The property is located on a block

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The property is located on a block of Walnut Street that really is, here's a zoning map over here, it's a RM1 zoning district, but the fact is that that building, as you saw, was a commercial building.

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There's been commercial uses there since the building was built. The last use that just vacated was a medical health facility.

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It was Health Springs that was there since 2010.

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Before that, it was a Rite Aid that was there for many years.

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I'm going to put up the zoning plan now.

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Here's an indication of the property.

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Here's the building, sufficient ample parking in the rear.

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So the application, it's an R&1 residential district, as I mentioned.

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The application is two things.

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One is the use, which we're proposing, is Sherwin-Williams paint store.

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So the use is described as the retail sales of building supplies, equipment, paint, wallpaper, and related supplies.

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The use was not listed as a use refusal on the refusal,

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although that's what my application stated that's what was in my appeal that's what we

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put in our notice to the RCOs and the neighbors within 250 feet and that's also what we

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presented to Spruce Hill Civic Association it would have delayed the case many months

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to have the refusal revised so that's why I would choose to do it this way and I have a proviso

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letter that would describe the use if the board would such you know approve this case with

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conditions so the use we can explain the signs

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as you saw I'll go back to the first picture here

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there's a lot of signs there's two large signs on this elevation

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One large sign here is existing

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and there's a freestanding sign.

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So what we're proposing for the signage is the following.

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Basically replacing the two signs on the one elevation

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with one standard branding sign.

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Elevation facing Walnut Street had the same exact sign.

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So in all, we're going from three signs, two signs, flat wall, from 308 square feet to a total of 160 square feet, 80 square feet each.

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Here's a full view of it.

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And for the freestanding sign, we're just replacing the existing panels.

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As I mentioned, it was RM1, the zoning district.

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And because of the zoning district being residential, you're not allowed practically any signage.

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As I mentioned, we did meet with Spruce Hill Civic Association.

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The use is not out of character with that block based upon the history of the property, the history of the uses, the surrounding uses, and the configuration of the property.

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Also, this use, being a retail paint store, is a less dense type of use than were the prior uses, which were the medical facility.

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What did Spruce Hill say?

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Spruce Hill supported the application.

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Okay.

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And the council person?

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I believe the council person would go along with Spruce Hill.

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If I may, I have Dean Pagano who's with the owners group who would like to testify as

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well as Chris Maylott, M-A-Y-L-O-T-T, who's with Sharon Williams.

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Great.

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and Dean can speak up when he joins

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okay what are their last names again because no one has

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Pagano P-A-G-A-N-O

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I see Dean Pagano

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and the other person is Christopher Maylott

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correct

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okay

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Christopher Maylott

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you can speak now after you unmute yourself

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I'd like to start with Dean first.

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We'll start with Dean.

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Dean, are you there?

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Dean, you can speak after you unmute yourself.

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Hi, everyone.

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Hi, Mr. Pagano. Name and address for the record, please.

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Sure. Dean Pagano, P-A-G-A-N-O, 16 Blantyra Circle, Thornton, PA, 19373.

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19-373.

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Okay, and do you swear for him to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Okay. And do you swear for him to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Okay, you may proceed.

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Thank you.

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Dean, please tell the board what your affiliation with the property is.

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I own the property.

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Owner.

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Okay, and would you agree that the testimony I just presented is true and accurate and you would adopt it as your own as if it were true?

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Yes, I would.

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um and it's just to reiterate it's fair to say this property has always been used

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for a non-residential use and would be our true hardship to convert it to residential use there

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correct and uh this uh use here you you've vetted through many different um opportunities but shows

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this one as being the least intensive use for the block would that be fair to say yes it would be

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Okay, thank you. If there's any questions for Mr. Pagano, we'll move on to Mr. Maylott.

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Okay, how's everybody doing?

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Can you put your name and address on the record, Chris?

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Sure. Chris Maylott, C-H-R-I-S-M-A-Y-L-O-T-T, and address is 7, Great Valley Parkway, Suite 200, Malvern, PA, 19355.

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Thank you. Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Okay, you may proceed.

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Thank you. Chris, you're employed by Sarwin-Williams?

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I am.

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And what's your position there?

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I'm a senior real estate representative.

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And you've heard my testimony as to the proposed uses and the signs, and would you agree that they're accurate and you adopt them as if they were yours?

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Yes.

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It is a retail store, correct?

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Correct.

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And there is no manufacturing or packaging there other than what you would typically see at a paint store where you're mixing dyes and paint?

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No, it's straight retail.

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Okay.

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And what were the hours of operations that are proposed?

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It would be 7 to 7, Monday through Friday.

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8 to 5 on Saturday.

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And 10 to 4 on Sunday.

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Okay.

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Is there anyone else who wants to testify, including representatives of RCOs,

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council representatives, and members of the public?

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There's no hands at this time, Madam Chair.

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And what I've shown on the screen is our proposed proviso letter to fix the inaccuracy of the refusal.

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Excuse me, Ron, this is Sharon Saleta.

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I have reviewed both the refusal and the application.

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And as Mr. Patterson said, he did apply for the use.

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The examiner did not include it in the refusal.

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But I would recommend a proviso.

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So if you vote to approve this with uses as stated in application ZP 2020, 008015, dated

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10-19-20.

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Mr. Patterson, would that work?

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Yes, that would work.

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That's fair.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Does the board have any questions?

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No.

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No, we've got my all.

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Planning commission?

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This is Ryan Bednar, city planning.

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you hear me now good yeah hi oh do you swear for him to tell the whole truth and nothing but the

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truth i do okay you may proceed well this um property is indicated for residential use in

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the city comprehensive plan we have no we do not object to the grounding of the variance

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Thank you. Calendar number 25, no, strike that. Calendar number ZP2020-008015. My vote is yes, with uses as indicated in that number. Is that correct, Sharon?

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yes that's fine uses as indicated in application number zp 2020 008015 dated 10 19 20.

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dated 10 19 20. thank you thank you

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yes with proviso

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yes with proviso

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wait a second is there anybody else voting

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okay that concludes great thank you thank you that concludes the two o'clock list

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it is now for an hour 20 after we'll take a 10 minute break be back at 5 30

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Be back at 5.30. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. My name is Frank DiCicco. I'm the chair of the Zoning Board of Adjustment. I'll be participating in today's hearing along with our vice chair, Ms. Carol Tenere, board secretary, confessor, plaza, and board members, Mr. Thomas Holloman and Mr. James Snell.

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sounds good thank you thank you

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Board Administrator, Ms.

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Look, I'm sorry, I was getting ready to say Tanya again.

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Ms. Dandy will be our Board Administrator, along with our Attorney, Ms. Sharon Saleta.

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For those of you who haven't yet participated in one of our virtual hearings,

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I'll go through some of the basics of what you can expect.

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First, we will be administering oaths to individual participants prior to their testimony.

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second we'd like to advise everyone that this proceeding is being recorded and that by

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participating you acknowledge your agreement to be recorded third for anyone participating by phone

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if you wish to testify you must raise your hand by hitting star nine and then star six to unmute

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yourself i'll repeat for anyone participating by phone if you wish to testify you must raise your

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hand by hitting star nine and then star six to unmute yourself. Carol. I'm here. I know you're

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talking. You got to mute yourself. Okay. I'm doing the opening ceremony here. Finally to make an

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appearance statement call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address and the address of

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the property at issue. I'll repeat that as well. To make an appearance statement, call Google

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267-270-5548 and leave your email address from the address of the property at issue.

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I'd also like to remind everyone, please do not attempt to testify in the chat.

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Any comments should be directed to our board administrator, Ms. Dandy. With that, I will now

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read off those cases that have requested continuances. Number one on our list MI 2020-000841

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1041 North 53rd Street. Number five on our list MI 2020-003326 265 East Hooter H-O-R-T-T-E-R Street.

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if anyone objects to those continuances being those cases being continued please raise your

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hand at this time here we have edward jones mr jones you can unmute yourself and speak

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yes evening mr jones please identify yourself in the record name and address my name is edward jones

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uh let's six six four seven croissant street philadelphia pa 19119 you swear and affirm to

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tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth i do you state your business

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uh regarding this um these proceedings and this property um okay we were in which property we

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talking about i'm sorry 265 east quarter street right okay we were uh in front of the board in

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person almost a year ago to the day. Instructions were given to this developer to reach out to the

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community and try to come back to some type of mutual agreement. We have not heard anything

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from this developer since that last meeting. Approximately, well, I'll take it back. December

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26 we see a notice for this this hearing schedule for today we have not talked to this like i said

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we have not had any conversation with this developer since the last week understood i'm

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going to interrupt you if i could uh the case is being continued understood but i'm i'm i'm raising

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the objection to the i'm i'm raising it that this this first of all this this whole uh um plan should

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be rejected outright well we don't know that we haven't seen the plan are you are you opposed to

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the continuance i'm a well if if that's the only option but uh so i guess there is there there is

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no uh it has to be continued is what you're saying not necessarily was this um who that

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was this uh was this case already continued in the past yes you were i'm not asking you i'm asking

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I'm asking the administrator I'm sorry can you say that um in my number again excuse me chair

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this is Sharon Saleta I'm going back through my notes um now but I believe that the councilwoman's

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office also requested the continuance this the attorney is Matthew Monroe right and he agreed to

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this the attorney is matthew monroe right and he agreed to it all right mr mr jones yes the case

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it.

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will be continued there'll be a reposting uh there may be i don't know the reason for the

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continuance maybe the developer the applicant is revising the plans we don't know we'll deal with

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they are well they apparently are revising the plans but they didn't bring this to our attention

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until approximately well they're going to have to they're going to have to repost

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it will be continued and you'll get a notice of reposting okay all right thank you

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any other objections to the any of the two cases that i read into the record is being continued

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there are no hands up at this time chair i will now ask if there's anyone who would like to have

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case continued or withdrawn, please raise your hand. Chair, we have Sloan Foulkes.

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Mr. Foulkes, you can unmute yourself and speak. Good evening, Mr. Foulkes. Please identify yourself.

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Good evening, Chairman DiCicco, ZBA Board. Happy New Year. My name is Sloan Foulkes. I'm from the

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Office of Councilwoman, Sloan Foulkes, S-L-O-A-N-E, F-I-S-O-F-I-R-O-L-K-S. Office of Councilwoman Maria

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can you honor sanchez 508 city hall where's the firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing

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but the truth i do sir please proceed yes i would like to request a continuance on case number seven

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mi-2020-00203950 whitaker avenue the uh applicant has not uh had a meeting with the uh

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coordinating RCO and we would like to request that the uh that that that that happened prior

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to the uh thank you miss uh miss dandy has this case already been continued

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no but um it said that they did not have any exhibits okay this case will be continued and

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must be heard thank you sir thank you any other requests for continuances or withdrawals

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Thank you.

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Any other requests for continuances or withdrawals?

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Karen, we have someone by the name of Joanne Dixon.

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Ms. Dixon, you can speak after you unmute yourself.

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hi um good evening miss dixon please identify yourself spell your first and last name and

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provide us with your address joanne dixon j-o-a-n-n-d-i-x-o-n 1723 north 31st street

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philadelphia pennsylvania and you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and

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nothing about the truth yes i did and you're calling in regard to what case um the property

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at 5070 whitaker avenue okay there's a request for a continuance

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i i i don't understand i didn't understand the continuance i'm sorry yeah no problem i think i

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made a mistake i don't know if i read that off at the beginning or not there's a request for the

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case to be continued the applicant is not ready to go forward I'm the applicant oh you're the

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applicant yeah you did not request a continuance no I didn't um chair this is Sharon Saleta I have

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no record of having received exhibits for this case and also is this the one Sloan folks just

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requested oh I'm sorry yes yes yes so the councilwoman's office at councilwoman Sanchez's

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office has requested this case be continued yes sir and we have not yet received any of the

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uh pertinent information and for uh that we need for the case to go forward

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i i did it i submitted everything that i was requested to submit

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so i'm i'm not sure what else i needed to do i'm sorry did you email it to all of the required

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addresses because I have no record of having received it. This is Sharon Saleta.

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Good afternoon. Yes I did. This is for a change of

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Good afternoon. Yes, I did. This is for a change of zoning back to a search. I sent everything weeks ago.

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Okay.

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You say you sent it. Did you email it or send it by post?

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I sent it by email. Yes.

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All right.

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so there's been no correspondence with the councilwoman's office I assume

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is that correct no I honestly didn't know I needed to

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this like I said it was a church at one time and the only thing we're trying to we're renting

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the church the building and we were just trying to get it back as a church

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so mr folks we or miss uh then miss dixon did you attend to have a rco meeting

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did you meet with the rco well i know we we talked over email

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but no we did not have a meeting all right well that that's a requirement so we're going to have

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to continue your case and i would suggest you reach out to councilwoman sanchez's office speak

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to mr folks okay thank you mr folks yes ma'am yes you give her your contact information please

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i will do so thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you any other requests for

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contingencies or withdrawals. Here we have someone by the name of Felicia Rhodes.

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Ms. Rhodes, you can unmute yourself and speak.

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Good evening, ma'am. Please identify yourself with the records by your full name.

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Ms. Rhodes, you still seem to be muted.

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yeah let's go to the first let's go to the first case and before you go begin carol

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uh question for sharon page number four 2319 north second did you receive any exhibits

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i did receive exhibits but i um wrote to the applicant explaining that the owner is an llc

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and requires an attorney all right we'll see if they're here but looking at the appellant

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generally we don't have that kind of uh cooperation all right let's go with number two

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on our list calendar number 0978 1600 north 52nd street and i do not have exhibits for this one

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is there anyone here for 1600 north 52nd street

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madam vice chair do you know who the attorney is

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we don't believe that they have an attorney i emailed the applicant to let them know that they

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needed one but I didn't get any confirmation that they actually had one. I'm sorry am I

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confusing two cases I'm sorry. All we have is the appellant is James O. Okay you would have more

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Sharon. And Lakeisha was this case already continued? It was it was previously listed

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for 10-07. I'm sorry, Lakeisha, I didn't mean to break in on you. No, you're fine. Thank you.

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And no one is here on this case now? No. Mr. Lambert has, I have a Michael Lambert.

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I don't know if he's here for this case or not. Mr. Lambert, are you here for 1600 North 52nd

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Street. If not, lower your hand until your case gets called.

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Can you? Hello? Yes. Can you hear me, sir? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Thank you. I apologize.

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You know, I'm still working on my technology skills. We were trying to let the court know

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or the panel know, good afternoon, that we're on 2319 North 2nd Street. Okay, well, we're

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working on 1600 north 52nd street we were i just want to let the board know we raised our hand

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when you were okay we'll get to your case we'll get so much sir and ma'am all right anyone here

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Anyone here for 1600 North 52nd Street? There are no hands up at this time, Chair.

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for 1600 north 52nd street there are no hands up at the

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Q MI 2020-000978, 1600 North 52nd Street. My vote is to dismiss. My vote is to dismiss.

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Dismiss. Now we're on number three. Calendar number 0449, 2218 North Marshall Street.

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um excuse me we did that number four number four calendar number zero two five five 2319 north

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second street michael lambert you can speak hi good afternoon folks good afternoon mr lambert

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please identify yourself for the record. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairperson. My name is Michael

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Lambert. I am here with regards to 2319 North 2nd Street. My client is also here.

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You swear and affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Sorry, Carol.

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Okay. Mr. Lambert. Do you swear and affirm, sir?

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He was promoted to panelists. He's going to pop back in as a panelist.

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Oh.

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Thanks.

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Mr. Lambert?

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Mr. Lambert, you still seem to be muted.

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Now you're unmuted.

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Video, video.

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Mr. Lambert, do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I certainly do.

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And do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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Yes, I do.

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Have you emailed the exhibit packet with all the required documents, proof of ownership, tax compliance,

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a copy of the refusal and referral, photos and plans of the property,

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five days in advance of this hearing, and have you met with the RCO, and do you have a letter?

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Yes, we have. Everything's correct. Yes.

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Please proceed.

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Thank you so much.

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Good afternoon, folks.

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Again, my name is Michael Lambert.

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We're here with regards to 2319 North 2nd Street.

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We're here because we're asking this board to approve our request for variance to convert this matter to a three-family unit building.

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It was zoned as a three-unit family in the 1940s.

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My client has recently purchased the property, believing, of course, that the house was already zoned as a three-family unit.

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However, when he went to get the renter's license, that's when, of course, he found out that it wasn't.

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We do have a copy of the plan.

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We also have, if I may share my screen.

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So first, I'd like to start with a copy of the plans, and we'll slowly go through them.

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So this is the basement.

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The basement has, when he purchased the property, it was already subdivided with three utilities

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for the electricity.

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um the second there's nothing in the basement obviously but just the um utility stuff on the

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first floor that is a one bedroom apartment and as the panel will see um there's a kitchen

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air bathroom stove and a bedroom as well as a family unit on the second floor is a two-bedroom

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apartment and as the panel see there's a kitchen bathroom two bedrooms and of course a corridor

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going to the third floor that's more of an efficiency as you'll see there's a one bedroom

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in the back and there's a family area in the front where there's a bathroom a kitchen and

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somewhat of a dining room area now this is the plan that shows each individual floor

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what it looks like and that's basically it with regards to the plans i can now if i may share

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I'll share the photographs with you.

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Okay, that's the front of the building.

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That's the kitchen area on the first floor.

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Kitchen. Bathroom.

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Basement.

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check control slowly that's

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Second floor, slowly, that's the steps going upstairs, of course.

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Second floor, kitchen area on the second floor.

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And that's outside.

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I think we went a little fast.

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That's in the back.

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Now, what I wanted to share with the board, or the panel rather, is that this is in West

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Kensington.

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And in that area, as the board is well aware, there is a shortage of housing.

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And that said, there's also a shortage of affordable housing.

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What my client has done when he purchases property is to provide three units for families to be able to afford without having to break the bank to pay their rent.

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um many of the properties at least 60 or 7 percent of the properties on that block and in that

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neighborhood are multi-family units as you'll see from some of the pictures before there are

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some commercial units in the or commercial properties in the area as well as some abandoned

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properties and my client is one of those uh uh uh landlords who is trying to make the properties

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uh to be more affordable for people to be able to move in without as i said breaking the

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bank um i could show the panel or the documents if the panel wish but i'm not sure if i should

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stop here i just asked lambert is that the first floor you're showing yes sir my client is here

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go ahead your honor you go to the front of the building again go back to the front please

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come and help us no this is my client here he's waving hello um that's the front of the building

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All right.

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I guess he's got some other, he's got some other structural work to complete on this building,

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doesn't he? As far as I know, he does not have any structural work that needs to be done.

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Sir, do you have any structural work to do?

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We see the ingress in the front. We have it in the plans, though.

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about the second and third floor the facade oh in terms of painting well we're gonna have all

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of that looks like looks like uh that's cement all right and give me a shot again of the rear

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of the building bear with me sir that's it so he will do the stucco he'll paint it okay finish it

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None of these wires are live, as far as I know.

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These are not, the front ones are not live.

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No, not in the back.

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None of, my client just reminded me that none of these wires are live.

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There are wires that will be removed once the stucco is applied and painted.

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Is there going to be a window next to that door on the first floor?

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There's a window on the right-hand side.

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is one second there's no window that's going to be here all all the structures are structural

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there's no structural uh uh changes in terms of any windows or anything else

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that's going to be added beyond what we see

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any questions from the board no no

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thank you anyone else would like to testify in this case please raise your hand

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there are no hands up at this time chair thank you mr folks just put his hand up

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well mr folks you're still under oath please identify yourself good i've seen again council

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chairman chico zba board sloan folks office councilman maria can you know sanchez from

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508 city hall um the applicants having met with the rco and receiving a letter of support

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our office offers no opposition to this variance request.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Planning Commission.

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This is Ron Bednar, City Planning.

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While this property is currently indicated

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for commercial mixed use on the city plan,

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we have no objection to the granting

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of a residential use variance.

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thank you ron mi 2020 000 255 2319 north 2nd street my vote is yes with the proviso the

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cco must be obtained within nine months my vote is no

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my vote is yes with proviso yes with proviso

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So before, thank you, before you go forward, Carol, we got to go back to the 3836 Haverford

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Avenue.

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Yes.

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that was on the two o'clock list yeah let me just see uh sharon just sent us something

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That was on the two o'clock list.

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Yeah, I'm trying to find it.

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okay i got it revised plans okay so mi 2020 that's zero zero three one four four

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three eight three six haberford avenue my vote is yes with the proviso pilot house for mechanical

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access only my vote is yes for proviso yes for proviso my vote is no

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number six carol yep calendar number zero six nine three forty seven thirty three leeper street

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there are no heads at this time chair anyone here for labor street l-e-i-p-e-r 4733

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um the attorney is ryan boland yeah just looking at bella's name

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is this has this already been continued

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if there are other cases could i try to reach mr bowen okay let's go to number eight

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okay calendar number 0376 64 63 malvern avenue

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that's henry clinton mr clinton can you put your name and address on the record can you hear me

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Yes, I can. Can you hear me?

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Yes. Name and address on the record. Spell your last name, please.

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Sure. Henry Clinton, C-L-I-N-T-O-N, Queen Memorial Building, 1313 South 33rd Street, Philadelphia PA, 19146.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Do you also agree to waive and stip?

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I do.

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And have you submitted the exhibit packet with proof of ownership, tax clearance, copy of the refusal referral, photos and plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing, and have you met with the RCO, and do you have a letter?

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Yes, I have. Yes, I do.

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Okay. You may proceed.

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Thank you, Vice Chair. Can I share my screen?

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Sure, you may.

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Is that visible? Do I need to enlarge it?

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Oh, no, it's great.

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Okay.

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This is a property.

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It's 6463 Malvern Avenue.

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It's currently a two-family dwelling, and it was a two-family dwelling with a doctor's office in the basement.

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So instead of having a doctor's office in the basement, we're asking that that be residential rather than commercial.

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And I'll walk you through the presentation.

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this is my evidence binder consisting of exhibits aa through a11 appearance statement

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the refusal is pretty straightforward the proposed use is multi-family dwelling but it's always been

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multi-family dwelling and we have a rental license for a two-family but the request is to make the

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former doctor's office into a residence which resulted in this refusal

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we have a letter of support from the 34th ward republican and 34th democratic ward

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the vote was six to zero in favor uh ryan i'm trying to reach you because the board just called

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your case and um you aren't here could you please call me as soon as ms letta sharon you're not

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muted. Sharon, you're not muted. Mr. Clinton, on the left of your screen, we have all of your

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icons. You might want to get rid of that stuff. I have all my icons? Yeah, there's everything about

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excuse me, I think he would like you to just maximize your window.

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All right, let me go back now. I lost it.

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can we see that now yeah okay we still have a lot of stuff on the left but

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all right let me get rid of that Tom thank you Mr. Chairman

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any better do you see the square um between the minus sign and the x on the top right

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yes if you there you go there you go thank you thank you you were my technical consultant i

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appreciate that so i'll roll through this is the uh letter of support uh and these are photographs

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And these are photographs. This is Malvern Avenue. It's pretty much a residential area.

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This is Malvern Avenue. It's pretty much a residential area.

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This is an apartment complex over here. And this property is at the end of the row. And you'll see

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this is the rear of the property. There are four meters, always have been four meters here.

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Three, this is the doctor's office, first floor apartment, second floor apartment. And this is a

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common meter. Again, a closeup of the meters. But this is the driveway that leads behind the

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home is on Malvern Avenue, and this was the entrance to the doctor's office. If I go back

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to the first photograph, and you'll see it on the floor plan, the way this home is laid out is

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there's an entrance here that takes you up to the first floor, excuse me, to the second floor

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apartment, and there's a door on the side that takes you to the first floor apartment, and then

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the third door is what I showed you on the side, which entered into the former doctor's office.

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here's the the formal entrance and this is what the doctor's office just used to look like

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it's been demolished and we've told we show these photographs to the community group

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because we told them it would not be commercial it would not be a doctor's office and they would

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not have the foot traffic or the car traffic in and out of the driveway like they used to

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these are kind of rudimentary plans but they nevertheless do depict the actual layout of the

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property this is the front elevation this is the door to the second floor apartment and then there's

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a side door that goes into the first floor apartment then here's that side entrance door

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this is the proposed layout of the basement there will be one bedroom as i said it was formerly an

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office but the intent is to convert it into residential as that's what the rest of the block

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is the second floor is again a two-bedroom unit that's already existing and as I said my client

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has a license residential license for this for this two-family dwelling and this is the first

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floor same layout as on the second floor the zoning map here's the the lot it's it's a very

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very huge lot it's I think it's about 6,000 square feet according to the OPA and again it sits

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at the end of the row. I just wanted to delve into the archives to show you that the board

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that in fact this was a two-family with a doctor's office and it even says here in fine print

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doctor to live above. So it looked like it was an owner-occupant use on one floor and with his

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office in the basement. Again here's a reference from 1988 to what the former use of this property

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was. The rest of the documents are my standard documents, tax certification, application for

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appeal, the deed indicating that Mr. Foster, who's on the line, is the current owner of the property

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and it's his application that we're seeking to prosecute. There's our notice letters and our

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certificate of mailing. So again, it's a pretty straightforward proposal, which is to swap out a

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commercial use in the basement to a residential. We have the support of the community group

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and some of the neighbors on the block. So I'm going to ask if Mr. Foster can be unmuted and

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I'll ask him to adopt my testimony and entertain any questions from the board.

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mr foster you can unmute and speak yes ma'am good afternoon good evening mr foster please

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identify yourself spell your last name for the record yes my name is robert foster uh my first

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name r-o-b-e-r-t-f-o-s-t-e-r do you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing

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about the truth yes sir thank you mr clinton hello mr foster yes sir good afternoon uh you

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were on this call during this meeting when i presented the testimony concerning this property

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correct yes sir and did you hear my testimony yes sir and is my testimony true and correct

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yes sir and if you had the opportunity to testify would you have got my testimony as your own

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and as true and correct yes sir thank you mr foster we appreciate it thank you

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Mr. Chairman with that I ask my exhibits be admitted to evidence and I rest.

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Thank you. Questions from the board? No. No. Anyone else like to testify in this case? If so,

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please raise your hand. There are no hands up at this time, Chair. Thank you. Planning Commission?

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this property is indicated for residential use on the city plan based on the documented used

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history we have no objection to the granting the variance my name is Ron Bednar BED

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history we have no objection to the granting the variance my name is Ron Bednark B-E-D-N-A-R

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thank you Ron MI 2020-000376-6463 Malvern Avenue my vote is yes my vote is yes my vote is yes

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my vote is yes thank you this is Sharon yes I was unable to reach Mr Bolin this case was

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previously listed on october 7th it was continued at the request of the councilwoman in order for

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the applicant to have an rco meeting um if you are i guess you can continue it must be heard

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okay mi2020-000693-4733 i'm sorry mr clinton do you have another case no i'm gonna i'm gonna

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we've stopped sharing now. Okay. Thank you. So MI 2020-000-693-4733, excuse me, 4733

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Lieper, L-E-I-P-E-R Street is continued, must be heard. Calendar number 0979, 706 Washington Avenue.

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someone has an open mic would you need to mute please

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is there anyone here for 706 washington avenue

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it was um no exhibits on this one okay no one has their hand up at this time chair

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and this is the first listen let me hold on one second i gotta leave and come back i think

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no i'm here can you hear me now yes all right i got all kinds of stuff on my screen i don't know

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why but anyway uh it was not it hasn't been continued in the past

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is that i checked and was not able to find any record of it having been listed

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did you receive any exhibits no no exhibits okay that makes it easy mi 2020 that's zero zero zero

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nine seven nine seven oh six washington avenue my vote is to dismiss my vote is to dismiss

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dismiss dismiss okay uh i believe that concludes uh the list yes it does any outstanding business

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lakisha anyone we're all good yes all right thank you

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