COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY - - - Room 400, City Hall Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Tuesday, 6/12/01 1:25 p.m. - - - RES. 010281 - Re Feltonville Sinking Homes. PRESENT: COUNCILMAN ANGEL L. ORTIZ, Chair COUNCILWOMAN JOAN KRAJEWSKI, Vice Chair COUNCILWOMAN JANNIE L. BLACKWELL COUNCILWOMAN BLONDELL REYNOLDS BROWN COUNCILMAN DARRELL L. CLARKE COUNCILMAN DAVID COHEN COUNCILMAN FRANK RIZZO - - - VINCENT VARALLO ASSOCIATES, INC. Registered Professional Reporters Eleven Penn Center, Suite 600 Philadelphia, PA 19103 (215) 561-2220 _ 2 I N D E X Bob Solvibile, First Deputy Commissioner. . . . Licenses and Inspections Diana Rivera, Divisional Deputy . . . . . . . . 4 Risk Management Richard Roy, Acting Water Commissioner. . . . . 4 John Christmas, Chief of Staff's Office . . . . 27 Dr. Anne Spirn, Professor, MIT. . . . . . . . . 29 _ 3 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 P R O C E E D I N G S
Good afternoon, good afternoon. The City Council Committee on Public Safety is now in session regarding Resolution No. 6 010175. Over a month ago, we were here. We asked the Administration at that time to tell us what timeline they needed for them to develop a plan for Feltonville. We didn't say what the time was -- we didn't say a week, we didn't say two weeks; we asked them, we asked the Administration to develop a plan and give us when that plan would be ready. After a back-and-forth, they said that they would do it in a month. Today is that month. We have parts of the residents of Feltonville here. Councilman Clarke is here, Councilman Cohen, Councilwoman Blondell Reynolds. All the people need, all they want, all they're asking from the City Administration is that they give them some hope, that their problem is going to be addressed. I would like the City to come up and say whether there is going to be a glimmer of hope or we have the weakest link once again. _ 4 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 (Witnesses come forward.)
Bob Solvibile, First Deputy Commissioner, Licenses and Inspections.
I will. Good afternoon, Mr. Ortiz. I'm sorry to say that Mr. Parella was supposed to be here to testify today. Unfortunately, he had a death in his family so it's left up to me. I have Mr. Bob Solvibile and Mr. Dick Roy. At the May 9th testimony, the Administration had said we would have a plan.
You don't have a plan. _ 5 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
No, there's no easy fix right now. We have no long-term solution right now. We're still working on it.
Well, right now, next week, we're planning to have Professor Spirn come down and also Mr. (indiscernible) from USGS to develop a strategy for overall subsidence problems in Philadelphia, not only in Feltonville.
But we have a real emergency here. Don't you think we have a real emergency here?
All right? We have a whole neighborhood. And I'm sorry, Miss Rivera, you know, it shouldn't be you who -- I mean, Darrell a little while ago was sort of venting on someone and he said to her at that point, "I shouldn't be doing this because you're not the person that should be responsible for this," and you're not.
And so whatever I do say, please, it's directed at the person or persons _ 6 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 who are not here today.
We have a problem and we have an administration that keeps telling us that it's concerned about blight. This is a neighborhood that is not yet destroyed, it is a working-class neighborhood. People own their homes, they have mortgages, they pay taxes, they pay property taxes. They deserve better from the government they elect. They've been petitioning now for more than two years. Reverend Kirk has been on a crusade now for more than ten.
And you come here, and after a month, this is all you bring. Tell me what it is that you're doing with OHCD. Explain to me, what is this application to obtain federal funding, which will be dedicated to these residents? Tell me, what's that about?
There was a letter dated May 9, 2001 to the Philadelphia City Council Committee on Public Safety from Robert Brady and Robert Borski. And in that letter, it stated that _ 7 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 they're working to secure $300,000 for relocation of residents in Feltonville. Now, we talked to Mr. John Kromer and --
$300,000 for the relocation of residents and $250,000 for the City for the purpose of demolition; this was for the Feltonville area.
So what you're telling me is that your solution to the problem is, one, to relocate them and to tear down their buildings.
No, that's not what the letter is stating. If necessary to do a demolition, that would be L&I's call.
But that's not what -- see, this sentence says that the City, through the Office of Housing and Community Development and the Mayor's Office, is preparing an application to obtain federal funding which will be dedicated for Feltonville residents. It is not saying, "We have received a letter from Congressman Brady that was directed to you, the Council Committee on Public Safety." That's not what that sentence says. _ 8 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 I'm Puerto Rican; English is my second language. But that sentence says you are preparing an application. Where is the application? what does it contain? what does it do?
Is it tear down or is it to relocate or what? Or is it to rebuild? That's what it should be going towards. It should be going towards rebuilding. See how we can maintain this neighborhood that is a good neighborhood and not create new empty lots in North Philadelphia. We have enough empty lots in North Philadelphia.
Councilman, part of the effort in the letter, I believe, is a effort to stem the problem until a cure can be found.
But tell me, tell me how it is that you're going to stem the problem. It doesn't say anything about that, it doesn't say we're trying to stem the problem. All that says is that you're going to distribute homeowners' maintenance handbooks. These people know how to maintain their homes. _ 9 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
No, no, we're not suggesting that -- Councilman, Councilman, we're not suggesting that they don't.
It aggravates me because that's what you said last time.
They need -- they have houses in which they raised their children. Some of those kids are going to college. We're giving them -- we're giving some of those kids a very bad example of a civics lesson. They have not failed the City; the City's failing them. They want something from you that says, People, we're not going to put you into homeless shelters. The answer is not going to be a Section 8 voucher so that you can go to a neighborhood where nobody wants you, okay? They want to know that they have invested their lives' savings in these houses, in these homes. They have raised their kids in these houses, those homes. That's what we want our city to look like. And they're black, they're Puerto _ 10 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 Rican, they're white, Irish, Italian. That's what Philadelphia is. And you're telling me after a month that what you have is this, after a month. They need answers. And let me tell you something, if I have to spend the summer calling you back through July, through August, that's what we'll do, that's what we'll do, 'cause you need to sit down with them, you need to be consulting them, you need to talking to them, and not just to remove them from their neighborhood, not just to tear down their houses. That is not the solution that I'm seeking. Councilman, go ahead.
I guess I'll direct this to Mr. Solvibile. I understood that the Administration was developing a plan -- and this may have already been addressed, I was a few minutes late -- that I believe Joyce Wilkerson indicated that there was a plan being developed to address this issue citywide. Could you comment on that?
I -- the plan for Feltonville would be the same plan that's citywide at the present time. And whatever is gleaned from _ 11 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 what we can do in Feltonville will be done citywide, not just in Feltonville.
It's still being looked at. The Chief of Staff is going to meet with Dr. Spirn to go over ways that the City can investigate federal, State, and City monies and the monies available in the field for these types of problems and how to solve 'em, and in general, just do the best we can to come up with a plan that could -- it is everybody's desire to keep people in their homes. That's -- the object is not to tear down buildings but to try to keep the people in their homes.
But I also believe that the City Administration's position, even without the plan, is that they can't involve themselves in subsession [sic] programs when they just can't -- the spin is that it just would bankrupt the City if the City stepped forward to help these folks, to help the people up on --
Councilman, I'm not aware of what the Mayor or the Chief of Staff or the _ 12 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 Administration is talking about or doing in that regard, I've not been a part of that conversation, so I cannot speak on what you just asked.
Okay. Well, when do you think this plan going to -- when do you think we'll be seeing the draft report or this plan on how they plan to approach this issue citywide in an effort to be fair?
I'm told maybe six to eight weeks -- more like eight weeks, eight to ten weeks would be a realistic goal as to when we could have a plan that would -- that people could debate and discuss and that we could have meaningful dialogue about.
Thank you. Thank you, Councilman. So you are going to involve the community, you're going to let us know when you're sending this application to OHCD. That is -- that _ 13 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 is not what -- this is not Bob Brady's letter, that's not what Bob Brady is talking about in his letter. So six to eight weeks, right? What is six to eight weeks, what date?
I -- Councilman, I said it would be more like eight weeks, eight to ten weeks.
Eight to ten weeks, eight to ten weeks. That's September?
And if we say you're going to come before this committee and you're going to have something more substantive than this and it's not just going to be about demolition, right? Is that it? _ 14 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
We have not been discussing demolition in the Feltonville area at all. We've been discussing --
I understand that. All I'm asking is when you're going to come back here.
No, we will not come back with a demolition plan. It's a plan to have people be --
Because I thought -- I thought that NTI was about recovering neighborhoods but also saving those neighborhoods that we can save. And this is a salvageable neighborhood.
And we should let _ 15 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 those people know what that plan is.
We can't have a plan without the community involved; I agree, Councilman.
Councilman Clarke, do you have a statement, question? Councilman Clarke.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. I want to ask you questions since we've now established that sometime in early September, late August, we may get a written report from the Administration. In the interim, is there a potential that we know of at this point of any of the properties in the targeted area being structurally unsound, imminently dangerous? And if in fact if they are, is there an interim strategy associated with any -- unfortunately, any relocation activities in the short term?
We have made inspections in the 300 block of Raymond Street in the Feltonville area, and we have inspected a whole block and put crack-monitoring systems in place on the block. It's a little bit different in the back _ 16 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 alleys -- there's like -- it goes down a little bit and we had, and we had a truck to come up higher. And we then take the crack monitoring and we can go back and determine if there's any movement, which is a way of instead of using a guesstimate with your eye to determine movement, we have a monitoring system. At the present time, we do not have anyone living in an imminently dangerous building in these areas. So, yes, we are monitoring and we will continue to monitor the blocks, the various blocks that we have concerns for.
Let me understand what you're saying. You said on a particular block, you do have systems in place that are monitoring any foundation problems. I understand this is a ten square block area that we're talking about?
It's several -- the Army Corps of Engineers mentioned five streets, I believe, five or six streets. And in the Feltonville area right now, we do have two crack monitoring systems on two different blocks in Feltonville. And our inspectors preview or survey the other blocks that were mentioned in the Army _ 17 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 Corps of Engineers to determine if the buildings are safe and if anybody would be in danger by continuing to live in the properties.
So we are on top of that. I've ordered Dan Quinn, Unit of Contractual Services to have an inspector go daily on every one of the blocks in the area.
And if, unfortunately, we do find something, do we have the wherewithal within the budget to respond to it? I know we've had several instances in the last couple of years where we found that there were properties that were either subsidence problems or problems associated with prime builders to -- I mean, are we budgeting that in anticipation of a problem, or will we simply maybe have a problem and then not have the wherewithal to resolve it? 'Cause Council, we will obviously be in recess and I'm not sure we'll be able to come back and provide a transfer ordinance 22 or anything of the like. Have we built a cushion into our budget?
What the City's response _ 18 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 has been where we have liability, where we are responsible or caused the problem, yes, there's money in the budget for that. Where we are not responsible, there's not necessarily money in the budget. And we handle it on a case-by-case decision as to how people would be helped.
So if something happens, then we will come up with a strategy to get the necessary resources to resolve that?
Well, I guess what I'm saying -- what I'm saying is that from my end of the -- from my level of responsibility, my people would make a determination of if the City is in any way liable. If we feel we are, we bring Risk Management into it; and if we feel we're not, we take guidance from the Administration as to what's the proper course or how to deal with the people. My inspectors in my department always try to keep in mind, you know, that we're dealing with families and people just like us and fellow citizens. _ 19 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
All right, I understand what you're saying with respects to the liability issues, but at the end of the day, at some point, it's the City's responsibility to respond to a citizen's needs, even if we're liable or not. I guess the question I need to ask you, given the recent history of these types of problems in the Logan area and, I believe, in Councilwoman Krajewski's area and Councilman Nutter's area and now in Councilwoman Donna Reed Miller's area, does it make sense for us to have a budgeted amount that would be able to respond to these issues regardless as to whose problem it is? Because it is becoming increasingly clear to me that this is going to be beyond Feltonville. And I think at some point as a city, we need to take a proactive approach to this as opposed to responding to these issues. And if nothing happens, then great, but I don't understand the strategy associated with just kind of waiting until something happens.
I can't see where that _ 20 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 would hurt to sit down with Council and determine what we could do besides where there's non-liability. Where there's liability, there's no 5 problem. (Unintelligible, parties talking over each other.)
Mr. Solvibile, this whole issue about liability versus non-liability, I mean, whatever dollars we spend are taxpayers' dollars, right, so it doesn't matter if they're liable or not. I mean, at some point, we have to do something because at the end of the day, it's going to be taxpayers' dollars, whether or not we're liable or not. So I don't think that we should haggle over that particular issue, given the significance and the nature of what we're experiencing now. I think that we probably need to come up with a proactive program to address these. We know that this is going to continue to happen. I mean, I understand you obviously in your position can't say that here today, but it is clear to me that there _ 21 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 are other areas in the City of Philadelphia where at some point in time, we're going to have these similar problems, and I just think that, you know, for us not to address it proactively doesn't make much sense as a government. So, you know, I really encourage you.
Councilman, that's what more or less asked for the last time. We said, Give us a plan that begins addressing the problems here and addresses the problem long-range. There is a Sinking Home Task Force, isn't there?
Are any residents members of that? Who makes up the Sinking Home Task Force?
Mayor Rendell appointed a group of people to it at the end of his administration. _ 22 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
Myself, Risk Management, Water -- L&I, Risk Management, and Water Department. And am I missing anyone? And the Capital Program Office.
About three times, maybe four, but three for sure. I might have missed one of the meetings.
So you met prior to our last hearing, right? _ 23 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
Yes, sir. And prior to even -- I mean, we've met several times this last year.
I thought I was getting things clear until you talked about how we have enough funding if the City is liable. What do you mean, if the City is liable?
If a trash truck would hit a building and create a dangerous condition and we had to bring the family out. Accidents or damage caused to property by City employees or the City of Philadelphia. That is basically what I mean, Councilman.
And do you have evidence that that's going to appear here?
And do you have any evidence that that's going to be a factor here?
None at all. That's what I thought. From your point of view, from the point _ 24 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 of view of this committee, is it a City problem if there is -- if we are unable to show that a problem exists along the line you indicated. You're indicating that the City can take care of the finances if the City has a liability, and then you've given us a very narrow definition of liability, which you indicate does not exist to your knowledge anywhere. I take it from that that there is a likelihood that the City's going to wind up saying: Legally, we have no liability. Does that mean there is no City problem?
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't answer what the City would say legally, Councilman, but the City has a problem and the citizens have a problem.
But the responsibility on how to -- or a better word is -- how to cure the problem is a better way to approach the equation, how can we cure the problem. And I don't know the answer to that. I don't know -- it's not a City problem exclusively; it's a State and federal problem.
Councilman, I don't _ 25 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 think Mr. Solvibile can give us an answer to that.
No, but I want Mr. Solvibile to know that this committee believes that it is a City problem whether or not there is technically City liability. And it's to that City problem that exits whenever its citizens have problems that makes it a City problem. And what we're looking for is a plan to deal with a City problem, whether or not there is technically any City liability or not in the judgment of the City.
I understand that, and I said, if the City -- you know, if a citizen in the City has a problem, the City has a problem.
I understand that too, Councilman. I was just giving you an answer as far as the Councilman's question regarding funds available for emergencies.
And you're saying that as of now, there is no City funds available unless there is a legal determination that the defects were caused by the City.
So that you're telling us that currently, there no plan to provide funds if the citizens have a problem as distinguished from the City being at fault somehow and causing that problem to exist.
No, I didn't go into plans. I said funds available for a catastrophe caused by the City. That's as far as my answer and only on that level. I did not speak for anyone else other than when Diana and I gave that answer, it was based upon the funds available, and that's what the Councilman asked, and that's all the question was about, what would be done, just with what funds were available.
Is your committee capable of producing a program where the citizens have a problem without respect to whether or not there technically is found to be City fault?
And that, I believe, is what the State, federal, and City government has to come up with. _ 27 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
Well, who's going to do that? Who's going to consider all of those factors?
And does your committee represent the Administration? In that point, do you have the authority to do that?
We make recommendations to -- the Mayor's Chief of Staff office is on the committee. AUDIENCE MEMBER: Excuse me, okay, we're tired of hearing this, okay? We want answers. We are going to the Mayor's Office. Thank you. (Feltonville residents in attendance leave chambers.) (Witness comes forward.)
Good afternoon, Councilman. I'm John Christmas from the Chief of Staff's Office. The Administration had hoped to present the testimony of Professor Spirn today to speak on the Feltonville and general subsidence issues. If _ 28 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 presented with an opportunity to do so, we would --
You know, I would like -- this is what I would like, because I think I've read about Dr. Spirn and her expertise. I would rather that she sit down with you and go over the area, study the place, do the stuff that needs to be done, tell us what her perception is, because we know that there is subsidence problems across the City and we need to get a comprehensive answer. I understand that. But we have an imminent problem in Feltonville that the City has to begin answering to. And I would rather -- because in her testimony, I know she speaks to the general problem. You're not Dr. Spirn, right? So I would rather -- because we've heard testimony about subsidence and what it does and what it causes, and we understand that in Philadelphia, we have a very specific problem as to that. I would rather that when she comes to testify to this Council that she testify as to Philadelphia and our problem and what her recommendations are and what the City and the Administration is planning to do short-term in terms of Feltonville and long-term in terms of other _ 29 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 areas.
Councilman, Professor Spirn has considerable experience actually with Philadelphia and has been working in the Mill Creek area on the buried flood plains issue there. And in addition to that, I think that Professor Spirn did provide some research and material in the Task Force report.
Mrs. Spirn, why don't you just grab the microphone and identify yourself for the record, please. I like to be courteous, I'd like to give you all the privileges and courtesies that we as a body give people. We've had other people from Boston come here and not get good treatment, and I don't want you to go through the same process. PROFESSOR SPIRN: Thank you.
So could you tell us what the story of the process of your testimony is. PROFESSOR SPIRN: I'm Anne Spirn. I'm currently a professor at MIT, but only since last September. Prior to that, I was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, and I've been working for the past few years at -- _ 30 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
So you're one of ours. PROFESSOR SPIRN: I'm definitely.
So you're rooting for the Sixers, right? PROFESSOR SPIRN: Absolutely. Wouldn't should know it, the year that we move away, both the Phillies and the Sixers pick up their games. I've been working for the past years 11 with West Philadelphia, and specifically since 1995 12 with the Mill Creek neighborhood. And my experience 13 about this issue, which is a national issue, of 14 buried flood plains is grounded here in Philadelphia 15 and through observations in other cities which I've visited, but my most intimate knowledge is here and specifically with West Philadelphia.
Well, I would like you to be helpful to us and come back when we develop this report on Feltonville. Blondell, do you have some questions to any of the panel?
I simply want to _ 31 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 underscore the comments raised by Councilman Darrell Clarke in that a strategy is not only proactive, but a comprehensive strategy clearly is important because there are a number of neighborhoods now potentially or currently being impacted by this. And I wanted to respond to a couple of comments made in your testimony, Miss Rivera, and you state that at the present, the City is committed to do the following, so I wanted some additional detail.
Where are you -- where is the City with regards to a process or procedure where you're currently investigating all complaints?
Should I assume, then, by the bullets that you have here that all of these practices are currently in place or not?
Well, the homeowner's manual has not been distributed yet. _ 32 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175
Right. And we're currently working with the authorities and other City agencies.
Where is the Task Force with regards to the last bullet, which speaks to coordination with State and federal agencies? Has any contact or dialogue been had with regards to those other important --
Councilwoman Blondell Reynolds Brown, this is John Christmas. Actually, through OHCD, the City has applied for money that was made available by Senator Santorum and perhaps others, Congressman Brady with respect to Logan. _ 33 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 As far as -- naturally, we want to try to receive money from whatever sources with respect to Feltonville. And based on the Army Corps of Engineers report, we understand Feltonville to be at least as big as the Logan area and impacting at least as many homes as the Logan subsidence issues. So, yes, we are speaking to Congressman Brady's office, we are coordinating through OHCD to drawn down money that they made available. I think to date, they say -- in a new correspondence that came May 9th, I think it was when we were previously -- I think we might have been scheduled for -- this hearing was actually continued from May 10th. On May 9th, Senator Santorum and Congressman Brady made available an additional $550,000. I think it was to relocate people, and also, they provided money for demolition. While we're very obviously interested in drawing down that money, without a comprehensive plan, $550,000 is immaterial to the overall problems in Feltonville. But, yes, we are talking to them.
Yeah, that's what their letter says, that it's for relocation and demolition, but there is no relocation plan. There's a huge problem with the Feltonville issue. The big problem is that --
Well, there's that. But in addition to that is they, as I understand it, want a commitment from the City now, before they will allow City inspectors to go in to determine whether the particular property is safe or not. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's been my --
That's not true. The City has an ongoing duty to be able to go in, and if there's any danger, imminent danger, to go in whether the family wants it or not, okay? What they have is that they -- they don't see the City functioning and developing because they still believe, and Mr. Solvibile has said that they're not that many homes in imminent danger there. And what we're looking at is how do you _ 35 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 save a neighborhood before you destroy it? That's what the City should be looking at. How do you save a neighborhood before you destroy it? That's what the City's vision and look should be towards.
No, it doesn't seem to be, because all you're talking to me about is drawing down money for relocation and demolition, and you're not drawing up a plan for saving Feltonville.
Councilman, I -- my statement was that the letter that came from Congressman Brady and the letter that came from Councilman --
Excuse me a second. You are the executive branch -- not Brady, not Santorum. You're supposed to be telling them what it is we need. You're supposed to be telling them what we need.
Not getting a letter from them. And I appreciate their efforts because _ 36 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 they're doing perhaps what you should be doing. It's writing proposals and say we got a neighborhood that is salvageable. How can you help us salvage this neighborhood? We have a problem in subsidence. What do we need to be able to fix that problem in that neighborhood before we have to destroy the houses, before we have to remove the people? That's the question that you should be asking. And I don't hear that from you. All I hear is demolition and relocation.
Logan all over again. Another desert, another pasture. We should be going into the cattle business and put in some grass seeds and put in some cattle and we would have an economic development project. Feltonville is salvageable. That's what you should be directing your direction and your vision towards. It is a working-class neighborhood. They have mortgages, they have responsibilities. If we have to demolish and relocate them, we send them into the poorhouse, we _ 37 6/12/01 PUBLIC SAFETY - RES. 010175 send them into the shelters. That's not what a city should be looking towards, a development plan. This is recessed until September 18th at 1 o'clock. (Adjourned 2:10 p.m.) _ 38 C E R T I F I C A T E I HEREBY CERTIFY that the foregoing proceedings of the Council of the City of Philadelphia of Tuesday, 6/12/01, 2001, were reported fully and accurately by me, and that this is a correct transcript of same. RE: COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY RES. NO. 010175 __________________________________, JOSEPHINE CARDILLO, Registered Professional Reporter