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Committee Hearing, May 3, 2005

Philadelphia City Council Committee HearingsMay 3, 2005

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Councilman Cohen

I don't know why -- I don't understand why --

Councilwoman Miller

Because we're going to have a briefing. We are going to have everything that everybody wants.

Councilman Rizzo

I know you said it once, but we're going to hold this going to the first reading of Council, correct, until we're...

Councilwoman Miller

Absolutely.

Councilman Rizzo

Until we have the briefing.

Councilwoman Miller

I said it 55 Public Safety - 5/3/05 twice, actually.

Councilman Rizzo

Yeah. I appreciate it.

Councilwoman Miller

And I'll say it again a third time.

Councilman Rizzo

Thank you.

Councilwoman Miller

So we have Councilman Rizzo and Councilman Cohen voting no, Councilwoman Blackwell, Councilwoman Miller and Councilman Ramos voting yes.

Councilman Cohen

I think it's far better if we didn't take a vote on this today because we're asking for information. A vote no will indicate to some people that there's opposition which may or may not exist. There may be support; if it's a good thing, we're for it. But we can not properly be asked to vote on something when facts are not made available to us, particularly under the circumstances where for more than two years this matter has been known to the administration and not imparted to the Council. 56 Public Safety - 5/3/05

Councilwoman Miller

I agree that the administration should have given us much more information in a more timely fashion.

Councilman Cohen

But this is the precise reason I'm concerned about the thing. Are we going to forget normal rules of decency?

Councilwoman Miller

We're not forgetting the normal rules of decency? This is not the first time that this kind of situation has come about, where you just don't have the information. I mean, I've had this... Seems like this has happened on many, many occasions since I became a Council member. We're not saying we're going to vote it out. We're saying that we want them to send us information. We will set up a briefing with the administration. Council members will have the opportunity to ask questions and get all the information that's needed before we call this bill up. And if we don't get it, then we won't call it up. 57 Public Safety - 5/3/05

Councilman Cohen

But why should we be in a position where Council is giving preliminary approval when we don't have the information?

Councilwoman Miller

And it's the will of the committee. And I understand. You know, I want to respect everyone's point of view. The committee has voted. And I'm trying to assure all committee members that all their needs will be met before we pull this bill up for final vote.

Councilwoman Miller

Okay. So the vote's been documented. The vote's been taken. The vote's been documented. This ends the public safety committee hearing. (Public meeting concluded at 11:40 a.m.)

Councilwoman Miller

We are taking a re-vote to make sure that everything was done correctly. Councilman Ramos has made the motion.

Councilwoman Blackwell

Second. Councilwoman Blackwell is seconding 58 Public Safety - 5/3/05 the motion to move Bill 050071 out of this committee with a favorable recommendation. All in favor? (Chorus of "ayes.")

Councilwoman Miller

Opposed?

Councilman Rizzo

Yes, opposed.

Councilman Cohen

Opposed.

Councilwoman Miller

All right. Good. Councilman Rizzo, Councilman Cohen is voting no. 13 Councilwoman Miller, Councilwoman Blackwell, Councilman Ramos is voting aye. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you. (Public meeting concluded at 11:42 a.m.) 59 CERTIFICATE I HEREBY CERTIFY that the proceedings and evidence are contained fully and accurately in the stenographic notes taken by me upon the public meeting of The Philadelphia City Council, taken on May 3, 2005, and that this is a true and correct transcript of same. _____________________________ DAVID A. DEIK, RPR and Commissioner of Deeds (The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means, unless under the direct control and/or supervision of the certifying reporter.)