ZBA Hearing - November 17, 2021

uh it's it's bill we are live it's bill we're live okay thank you uh and tanya and fatina

we'll give you a few minutes yes let us know when you're ready

well we have 24 attendees are we ready to go and if you are yep okay all right good morning

everyone my name is frank de chico i'm the chair of the zoning board of adjustment

i'll be participating in today's hearing along with our vice chair ms carolton erie

present okay uh board secretary confessor plaza present and the board members mr thomas hollowman

present and mr james snell present also in attendance is our board administrator for today

ms fatina l and our board attorney ms sharon saletta also our zoning board administrator

moderator, Ms. Tanya Sunkit, is available as well. For those of you who haven't yet participated in

one of our virtual hearings, I'll go through some of the basics of what you can expect.

First, we will be administering oaths to individual participants prior to their testimony.

Second, we'd like to advise everyone that this proceeding is being recorded,

pardon me, and that by participating, you acknowledge your agreement to be recorded

and that the recording will be made available to the public by contacting Ms. Tanya Sunkit

at tanya.sunkit at phila.gov. For anyone participating by phone, if you wish to testify,

you must raise your hand by hitting star nine and then star six to unmute yourself.

I'll repeat that.

Anyone participating by phone, if you wish to testify, you must raise your hand by hitting star nine and then star six to unmute yourself.

Finally, to enter an appearance statement, call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address and the address of the property at issue.

And I will repeat that.

to enter an apparent statement call google number 267-270-5548 and leave your email address

and the address of the property at issue and i would like to remind everyone please do not attempt

to testify in the chat uh any questions comments or concerns should be directed to our board

Administrator Ms. Vatina L. Having said that, I will read a list of requests for continuances

and or withdrawals from the 930 list. Case number two, MI 2021-002627, 1302 North 50th Street,

That's 50 Street is withdrawn. Case number three, MI 2021-002632. 1444 South 52nd Street.

Cases continued. Case number six, seven, eight, and nine. Case number six, MI 2021-002-628-1931-33

Rawn Street continued. MI 2021-002624. 1915 Watkins Street is continued. MI 2021-002630.

1913 Watkins Street is continued, and MI 2021-002625. 911 Watkins Street is also continued.

If anyone objects to the continuance and withdrawal case that I just read into the record,

please raise your hand. Only if you object to the case that I just read into the record as

being continued or withdrawn. Chair, we have Gabrielle Joyner. Please unmute yourself and

please wait for the chair. Gabrielle, please spell your first and last name and I'll swear you in.

Gabrielle, please spell your first and last name, and I'll swear you in.

Gabrielle, G-A-B-R-I-E-L-L-E, Joyner, J-O-I-N-E-R.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Ms. Joyner?

Yes.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Thank you. Please proceed.

um so i am objecting to the location of these properties being turned into from single family

zones i'm sorry ma'am what what's case what properties you're speaking to the three properties

on walkin street that case those cases are being continued what does that mean we're not hearing

the cases today they'll be continued to another date you'll posting will be put up for the next

hearing and you can testify at that case at the time of that hearing can i object to them being

allowed to be continued you can but we're going to continue them because we don't have the attorney

for the applicants no one else is here to testify but we'll note that and if you still are opposed

to the uh to the these properties being converted or whatever the case is because i don't have that

information in front of me, you're welcome to call back at the next hearing and state your

opposition. Will I be able, will they have to repost a notice for when it's going to be? Yes.

Okay. Okay. Object. Thank you. Anyone else object to any of the cases that have been

continue being continued I see no handshake and I will now ask thank you I will now ask if anyone

would like to request a continuance or withdrawal for the 9 30 list please raise your hand

chair we have house please unmute yourself and please wait for the

good morning hal please spell your first and last name and i'll swear you in

uh good morning first name is actually henry h-e-n-r-y last name is shirmer s-c-h-i-r-m-e-r

you swear for him to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

yes i do i'm sorry for cutting in

commission. That's quite all right. Requesting a continuance for 6227 Lancaster Avenue was

retained on this case recently. We just got essentially a letter saying that these

That's not on the 930. Is that the 930 list? Yes, I believe you already read it as continued

chair. It's number 12. I didn't hear it go through. Sorry. I actually did not read it.

i apologize okay thank you we it's not marked as continued so 6327 lancaster you're requesting a

continuance correct correct all right i'll read that into the record mi 2021 i'm sorry i don't

know this is tanya the zba administrator i don't know if it's appropriate not but mr reuter is

available for this case as well mr reuter and he there was there were emails back and forth on

this case mr reuter um stated that he had no objection either and it's a case where he couldn't

have gone forward because there are no exhibits right can you please identify yourself and we'll

get you on the record thank you uh sure thank you uh may please the board leonard reuter r-e-u-t-e-r

for the city of philadelphia um yes we're firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the

truth? I do. The reason why we're involved is Mr. Shermer indicated that there's likely or there

will be an appeal against L&I added to this case, but we discussed the matter via email.

And obviously, we're agreeing to the continuance, but also, and Ms. Saleta can clarify this, I

believe the applicant may be amending their permit application. And I'm not 100% sure,

but i believe the the board would need to authorize that amendment and we're obviously

have no objection to that and that would be something that would be handled by a letter

a letter to um just a letter yeah okay i'll explain the process to mr firmer offline okay

great thank you thank you all okay so mi 2021-002621 6327 lancaster avenue is continued

Any other requests for continuance or withdrawals on the 930 list?

Chair, we have Jacqueline Baez. Please unmute yourself and wait for the chair.

Please unmute yourself and wait for the chair.

Good morning, Ms. Baez.

Good morning, Ms. Baez.

Please spell your first and last name.

I'll swear you in.

Jacqueline Baez.

J-A-C-K-E-L-I-N.

Last name Baez, B as in boy, A-E-Z.

You swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Yes.

You're calling regarding 1210 Elbridge Street?

Yes.

Are you asking for a continuance?

yes um excuse me miss bias i i did receive all of your documents you are not you do not want to

go forward today i would love to go forward but i was told that my letter from the rco meeting um

i was supposed to do a verification uh melon uh certification letter to the um neighborhood

i mail the letters out but i did not do the melon certification part okay um but we do

have a letter from the rco in opposition if i mean if we if we can go forward you know but that was

the only thing that the rco said you know i didn't verify i didn't have my melon certificate

okay and that might have been the reason for opposing so it probably is better if you continue

and go through the necessary steps and come back.

Correct.

Thank you.

So MI 2021-002622, 1210 Elbridge Street is continued.

Must be heard.

Any other requests for continuances or withdrawals?

Chair, we have Hillary Emerson.

Morning, Ms. Emerson.

Please identify yourself.

I'll swear you in.

Yes, Mr. Chair.

hillary emerson on behalf of councilwoman sherelle parker e-m-e-r-s-o-n work for him to tell

the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth yes i do um i'm up can you hear me yes okay um so

here about two cases one the the elbridge um street case um we advise the applicant to request

a continuance because letters were not sent notifying the community of the meeting um so

we need to have another meeting um where the the neighbors receive notices about the meeting so i

just wanted to clarify yeah clarify that case that case is continued right right i heard that i just

wanted to clarify the reason for the continuance um the other case i'm here on is 5929 north 5th

Street, and I understand from talking with the attorney that there's a continuance that's supposed

to be requested, but I haven't heard it requested yet. I think Justin Crick is the attorney for

that case. Well, Mrs. Sharon, we didn't receive exhibits for this, so it would have to be

continued. Okay, yeah, there was no meeting held yet, but I understand Mr. Crick was being retained

and they would be requesting a continuance, but I didn't hear it. Okay, thank you, Hillary.

thank you all right uh sharon do we need to get mr crick or could we just continue it

um i think you can just announce it as continued unless he is present and raises his hand and has

an objection to that but it would have to be continued in any case all right i'll see if

he's out there is mr crick out there no chair not listed under his name okay thank you so case

number 11 mi 2021 that's zero zero two six three three five nine two nine north fifth street is

continued must be heard that only leaves us with two cases i believe um anyone else requesting

a continuance or withdrawal i see no handshake okay with that i believe we go to case number

4, MI 2021-002629, 1713 North Kroski Street. Rachel Pritzker is the attorney of record.

My notes indicate we have not yet received a letter from St. Elizabeth's RCO.

oh mr chair this is sharon you actually we did receive it after the executive session

um mary jones um reached out to the rco i emailed that letter to all the board members

okay thank you all right then we can proceed mr saverin please identify yourself and i'll

swear you in sure uh brandon saverin of pritzker law group uh b-r-a-n-d-o-n um s is in sam a v

as in victor r-a-n you swear a firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

yes i do thank you

Yes, I do.

Thank you. Ms. Teneri has a few questions for you.

Carol?

Okay, yeah, I was muted.

Do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

Yes, I do.

Have you emailed the exhibit packet with the required documents consisting of proof of ownership, tax compliance,

a copy of the refusal or referral photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this

hearing and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter um yes to all the above madam vice

chair except the letter and um if if i could ask sharon um is this um sharon i know that the board

was missing several letters from this rco from from you know watch brandon we've actually received

it i did not i'm i didn't copy you but i did see that when mary jones sent it she copied rachel

would you like me to send it to you right now sure was it in support no it was not it's in

opposition okay uh that's that's really out of the blue to me uh we we had a vote in support at the

meeting but um would you like to be moved back one case so that you have a chance to review this

yeah that would be very helpful thank you okay thank you all right we'll go to number 10 on our

list mi 2021-002631 536 green lane jake griffin is the attorney of record central

Roxborough Civic Association sent a letter of support.

Mr. Griffin, if you can unmute yourself, identify yourself, spell your name, and I'll swear you in.

I'm sorry, Chair, which case did you call?

There I am, sir, I believe.

Number 10.

okay i think um there was also number five i skipped five i'm sorry mr griffin if you can

hang in there a minute i have another case to go to we'll get right back to you all right case

number five my apologies mi 2021-002 613 1828 south second street the applicant uh is dorothy

vissack v-i-s-a-c-k a letter of non-opposition from councilman mark squilla i don't know if we

received a letter yet from pensport civic so miss vizack vizack if i'm pronouncing that right

i'm sure we did receive a letter we actually just received that and it is in support okay thank you

chair there's no hands being raised at this time one moment here she is

miss visek

hello hi uh please spell your first and last name and i'll swear you in

d-o-r-o-t-h-y v-i-s-a-c-k and do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and

nothing but the truth yes thank you um you are the owner of this property correct yes it's not

a corporation or an llc right no okay so tell us ma'am what what it is you're here for i'm sorry

Ms. Tenere has some questions for you.

Hi.

Have you emailed the exhibit packet with the required documents consisting of proof of ownership, tax compliance, refusal or referral, photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing?

And have you met with the RCO and do you have a letter?

Yes.

except for I am fighting the tax

the tax

clearance. Excuse me, this is Sharon. I went to the revenue site

and the property is tax compliant.

Thanks, Sharon. Okay, you may proceed.

I'm just trying to

make more parking on the street. I didn't

I don't need the lot anymore for a yard for the kids, so I decided to make it park.

Do you have any exhibits you can share with us?

I guess I sent them all.

Are you able to share them with the board this morning?

um i can it might take me a minute just to send them no worries no worries

I can. It might take me a minute.

um send them to you

I want to forward your little stuff I forwarded to.

Ms. Vizek, to be clear, the board is probably interested in seeing any photos or plans that you can share with them.

Okay.

Chair, this is Tanya.

Would it be okay if we can give her a minute offline to get set up?

and then Mr. Griffin is saying in the Q&A

that he's ready to go forward.

Good suggestion, thank you.

So we'll get back to you, Ms. Vissak.

They'll talk to you offline about how to...

All right, she...

Sorry?

Pardon me?

Let's go back to Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Griffin?

he's coming back in as a panel this year

all right mr griffin please spell your last name and i'll swear you in

that is uh g-r-i-f-f-i-n first name is jack uh jake or john

it's john everybody calls me jake so i'll take anything you want all right jake do you swear

for him to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do mr duchico i'm getting a note

here it says uh that i i don't seem to be able to uh come on video i'm not quite sure why but

let's do this let miss tenere ask you a few questions and then we'll have tech staff help

you through that and he's already sworn you're already sworn in yes yes do you agree to waive

the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy yes ma'am thank you do you have or have

you emailed the exhibit packet with proof of ownership tax compliance a copy of the refusal

or referral photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing and have you

met with the RCO, and do you have a letter? Yes, ma'am. Okay, you may proceed. Mr. DiCicco,

I forwarded a packet roughly five days ago. I may have trouble sharing this, but I'll give it my best.

This is a situation where really all we're trying to do is legalize this situation out of the

blue many many months ago this uh individual and her uh her business which is a professional

dance studio perhaps one of the only ones in that particular area uh got cited for not being

properly zoned uh we jumped on the situation immediately uh starting addressing that filed

the necessary appeal. So we're not asking new construction, any additions, no extensions to the

dwelling, just simply to legalize that. We met with the RCO. We had a number of contacts with

them. We finally had a Zoom meeting with approximately 37 people attending, coordinated

coordinated by Celeste Hardister. And attached in the packet that I sent is a letter of support

that was dated October the 18th. We've also attached as Exhibit 2 the refusal. Exhibit 3

was the property deed. Exhibit 4 was the floor plan and elevation drawing designed by an architect

that we had retained jamie l kelly but we really don't i don't think need that in light of the fact

we're not looking for any construction we're just looking to legalize this um we've attached just

for your review seven color photographs uh i'm sorry then this is yeah is it possible to have

Yeah. Is it possible to have any pictures or anything shared? Because we have people asking questions.

any pictures or anything

Yes. Let me see if I can do that.

So if you have your documents that you're discussing open already, all you have to do is hit the green button at the bottom.

if it is a computer you're using hit the share button it's a i'm on a uh i'm on an ipad so i'm

i'm hitting the share and um then click on hit on the document

i don't see i don't see that as one of my options

once you hit the share button no documents come up for you to select no i i have them

I'm right in my Dropbox all set to go.

Yeah, I'm just having trouble.

Chair, the only reason why I requested it,

because we do have someone in the Q&A objecting to things,

but if there is nothing for the audience to review,

it's up to you how to proceed

yeah I'm just trying

Mr. Griffin

Tanya

Tanya said there's someone out in the audience

who wants to speak on this case

yes

Mr. Peter Gamillion

I believe he's

a nearby neighbor

we can allow him to speak as you wish

let's get his testimony

while we're working through the technical issues with Mr. Griffin.

Okay, Peter, you can wait for the chair to swear you in.

Good morning, sir.

Please spell your full name and I'll swear you in.

My full name is Peter Gomillion, P-E-T-E-R, last name G-O-M-I-L-L-I-O-N.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

I do.

Thank you.

Could you please proceed?

Yes. So I live next door to Jeanette's dance studio.

We're at me and my girlfriend, Dr. Kristen Whitaker at 534 Green Lane, directly abutting this property, requesting some sort of variance.

We wish to stand firmly against it. And for two reasons, I'll explain those two reasons.

starting with one their customers don't have anywhere to park and they're using the front

of our driveway as their parking lot I submitted an email showing photographic evidence of this

this blocking of the driveway happens on a daily basis and it's unbearable we're unable to get in

and out of our property. I've had to call the police a few times. And I also have been threatened

with some violence by one of her customers. And that's why we called license and inspection

before we, you know, try other means to get this activity to stop. I'm not sure if you can,

If you have that email I sent, I have an Arlo camera above our garage that shows them blocking our driveway on a daily basis.

Your objection is based on, correct me if I'm wrong, on the inconvenience that customers or patrons of the dance studio are causing you and your lady friend.

exactly it's it's it's it's the driveway it's the noise um they're operating no one lives there

but they're operating this commercial business right next to our home and you know 15 20 cars

come in daily early Saturday mornings all day Sunday and they're blocking our driveway

where there's confrontation when we're trying to get in and out of our home

um and we can't easily get in and out of our home without um some sort of confrontation

um the parents are taking their kids and leaving their vehicles and going to five three six green

lane in front of our driveway where we don't have access to the road you know in any sort of

emergency situations and also um we're inconvenienced and we're not we're not able to

enjoy our property and this commercial business next door um is a nuisance

and this commercial business next door is a nuisance.

Thank you. Mr. Griffin. I'd like to show my, I have photographic evidence and I'd like to share it.

Please. Now how, I sent it by email, would you like me to. So staff, I'm sorry sir,

do you have your information to share at the moment? I do. And it's up and ready to be put up

on the screen? It is. Okay, staff, could you please promote him to a panelist to give them

authority to share a screen? Yes, he's coming back in as a panelist now. Thank you.

Okay, so let me see. To share my screen.

Are you on a computer or laptop? I'm on a computer.

So at the bottom of your Zoom screen, you should see a button that is green and states share.

Oh, I see. Thank you.

But before you click on that, are your documents open?

They are.

Okay, so you should be able to click on a share, then touch on your document, and it should allow you to share the screen.

are you able to see my screen yes sir is the photographs you're showing is that your driveway

it is and as you can see um they don't have cars those are these two are red and black are our cars

and as you can see there's no parking for them to even do this activity they're doing

and they just get out their cars every every night you know nine ten o'clock at night kids

are screaming you know and they're just blocking our driveway we can't get out there's like 10 15

cars all all night and we can't leave and they show no respect and no consideration um for our

driveway sir excuse me is that red car in your driveway it is so okay i thought that red car

was his car the black car is a black and red car okay these are this is our this is 534 green lane

it's a townhome this is our driveway and as you can see through this evidence that they are blocking

our driveway i cannot leave the white car in the lower portion of that bottom uh photograph is not

your car it's not our car it's the next door neighbors to us to the right the dan studio is

to the left i don't know why they're pulling in front of our driveway does your neighbor

have your permission to park his or her car in your driveway

it's that white car it's a townhome i'm asking does the drug does the owner of that white vehicle

have permission to park in your driveway um if he would ask um i don't know i don't know why he

would park in my driveway he has his own driveway this is confusing isn't that his driveway that

he's parking in because it is a townhome i'm sorry can you repeat that yes the white car

is the owner of the townhome next to you correct isn't that his portion of the driveway

wait wait wait this is his where the white car is parked this is his driveway that's his

portion of the driveway correct okay so it's not someone who's not um residing in your property

or the townhouse it's your car the red and the red and black car belong to you and the white

belongs to the townhouse occupant correct correct they have their two spots we have our two spots

and your concern is in that one photo where people pull up block your driveway while they're

get out of the car and taking their kids into dance studio or or picking them up from dance

whatever they're doing whatever they're doing it's it's it's a lot well how long did the car stay

It's a minute too long. I've been threatened with physical violence. We're trying to get in and out. We can't get in and out.

I've been I've been you know we're trying to get in and out we can't get in and out we're being

ignored it was a time we were trying to get to the airport we're trying to go up the street to

ridge to get a COVID test we can't get we can't get out of our property I mean what is this but

those cars that the photograph you're showing with the red car the door is open they're not

permanently stopped there right they're discharging or picking up someone from the dance studio correct

they're they're there on a daily basis i understand but they're not parking permanently

they're just are they not parked are they not blocking my driveway sir they are for that minute

when they're letting their now it's not just a minute um because it's it's compounded it's this

minute after minute for 30 minutes a day daily understood what the rest of my life

sorry other than the parking situation do you have any objection to the activity or that the

business that is uh going on at this 536 green lane we do we do we do um and it's it's surrounding

the noise and the parking we can't we stand firmly in objection to it we stand firmly in

objection to any sort of approval with conditions because her customers have shown for the past

year that they will not find other suitable legitimate ways to carry out their business

so we certainly just are in again against it and totally all right thank you mr griffin

yes sir is your client the owner of this or did it have a lease no my client is the owner she is

present all right um we can address all these issues yeah please please proceed

uh jeanette are you uh on or someone could let her in mr chair can someone maybe jeanette share a

screen hi hi how are you yeah ma'am please spell your first and last name and i'll swear you in

And I would ask the previous witness, Mr. Gilman, Goldman.

The Million.

The Million.

Please take your screen down, please.

So, Jeanette, please spell your first and last name.

Sure.

It's Jeanette, J-E-A-N-N-E-T-T-E.

And my last name is Rowling Julia.

that's r-a-w-l-i-n-g hyphen julia j-u-l-i-a you swear affirm the terrible truth the whole truth

nothing but the truth i do thank you please proceed um so just to comment um in regards to

Mr. Gamalion's comments. First of all, we're not open on Sunday at all. We're in the studio

Monday through Thursday. Our hours are roughly between 5 and 9.30 in the evening, and then

Friday, 6 to 7, and then on Saturdays, 9.30 to 1. To speak in reference to the pictures that he is

posting, I believe most of them are from last year. And last year, due to COVID, our parents

were not permitted into the building at all. So what we did was we developed almost like a pickup

line so that we could get our kids safely in and out of the building without cross-connecting

with the other group that was coming in. So no one was able to enter our building at all

other than the students. There was an issue with Mr. Gamaliel, and I did address it immediately.

I've sent multiple emails out to the parents to please not block the driveway. And on any occasion

where I see anyone pull up in front of his driveway, where their car would be butt up

against his curb, we have addressed it immediately. I have even gone out as far as to contact the

police, the Roxburgh, I guess it would be the police officer that handles community affairs

to try to address this with Mr. Gamaliel. And there was a meeting that was supposed to be set

up in the summer that never actually happened. I'm not sure why it didn't, but I was more than

willing to address this with him because we have been there for 25 years.

to address this with him because we have been there for 25 years um so of course my my first

concern was we really need to get this addressed addressed and taken care of what i will tell you

this year is that what the pictures that he is showing you that is not happening because our

parents need to actually park their car to come into the studio to pick up their children.

So our kids are not dismissed now unless a parent comes in and gets them. So they do have to legally

park. To address the whole issue with pickup, it literally is five minutes. Our classes end,

say if we have a 4.30 to 5.30 class, our class ends at 25 after 5 and our next class starts at

5.30. The whole pickup drop-off is literally five minutes at best. And we do not have classes

at 10 o'clock at night. And the kids that are leaving later at night are older children. Most

of them drive they're not out there partying on the street making a ton of noise

thank you okay mr griffin yes sir um were you able to get any photographs up or no

judge i just can't seem to be able to do it i'm having some sort of a glitch okay no no worries

all right um so your client she owns the property she's not a tenant correct

That is correct. She owns the property, not a tenant. This is not a situation where improvements are looking to be made or anything of the sort. Out of nowhere came Elle and I months back and said, you know, your zoning is incorrect.

So we look to address it. Really nothing more. Sent out notices. October 7th meeting with the RCO. Many of, I think, the members of that RCO had children that had passed through this dance studio for teaching.

um it's a wonderful uh long-standing uh tradition in this neighborhood uh and and all we're looking

to do is quote-unquote legalize it that's all understood thank you all right um any questions

from the board uh yes mr chairman do the attorney have any site plan do you have any

site plan parking pictures something to show to see what the physical problem is

we we do not have any parking pictures we do have uh three pages of an architectural design

which shows essentially the inside of the property, the basement floor plan, the ground

floor plan, and the elevation of the property. We do not have pictures of the outside of that

street area. This issue was never presented to us as an issue. It was not raised at the RCO level.

There is a free parking lot now, which is right around a corner that the parents now use that has not been around for hundreds of years.

so um this issue i think was in large part last year that was covid based uh and now all parents

are instructed to uh find a spot uh come in get your child and then leave and looking at the

photographs that that mr gomillion presented that was obviously what happened last winter

there's a lot of snow on the ground so my my guess is some of the on-street parking spaces

may have been taken up by snow piles that were put up as a result of snow plowing and stuff like

that so it's a challenge between that and and and covid is certainly a challenge i know i pick up

my grandchild at daycare go through the same problem all right any questions from the board

no mr chairman no no anyone else beside mr gomillion who would like to testify in this case

please raise your hand chair we have the owner excuse me did you want to hear from her again

Excuse me. Did you want to hear from her again?

No, I don't think it's necessary.

Mr. DiCicco, I was only going to wrap up before that, if I may.

I apologize. Please do.

I'm sorry. Did we hear from Kristen? No.

No, and we still don't have any.

So we have a Kristen with a hand up. Did we hear from her?

no no i thought you i thought fatina said the owner the owner uh i'm sorry i misspoke

no worries that's okay no worries uh christian whitaker

hello christian whitaker please spell your full name and i swear you win

the first hello um mr chair the first name is christian k-r-i-s-t-n the last name is

Whitaker, W-H-I-T-A-K-E-R.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Yes.

Please proceed.

So I actually am the owner of 534 Green Lane.

My boyfriend, Peter Glebelian, is the other occupant there.

So I do think it's necessary for me to speak, so I appreciate this time.

I really just wanted to kind of respond to some of what has been said, especially Jeanette's

comments.

the first thing I will start with saying is that I really don't think that this is a case of

whether or not Jeanette is a good person or whether or not Jeanette is providing a valuable

service to the community I don't deny either of those claims I think this case really boils down

to is Jeanette running a business at a proper location and in a proper manner which I say

strongly she is not okay so you know Peter showed you guys the evidence of the parking

Jeanette, and you know, we shared some pictures and unfortunately it's a little hard to have the

dates. Jeanette makes the point that this all happened during COVID because of different

stipulations of how the parents had to pick up their children. This is absolutely not true.

We shared photos from the entire last year. We have multiple photos on our camera from every day

this week and last week and the week before that where customers are continuing to block the

driveway. What I actually will say is probably worse now than in the past is that her customers

literally get out of the car. There have been times that I have come home from work and there's

no customer even in the car. So even if that's just for five minutes, if I can't get in my driveway

for that five minutes, that's an inconvenience and that's a problem. So she'll say, oh, it's just

five minutes. Well, it's five minutes when one car leaves and then another car comes and then

another car leaves and another car comes and this continues on to nine or 10 o'clock at night.

it's a problem so you know I think the driveway is one thing but I do just want to refute the

point very strongly like I said we have many many photos on our camera showing this continuing to