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ZBA Hearing - October 5, 2022

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 5, 20224h 36m

hardship for a rezoning

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we have other homes

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who have been built single family homes

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in the area and we just like to maintain that

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just finally the developer

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talked about profit and pricing

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most of the time about how it

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would be to benefit in terms of the properties

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in terms of profit

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and I said to him in the meeting that all you talk about is

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the profit and the other you're not talking about

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any physical uniqueness

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that would allow you to get a variance

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so that's where we're at right now

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so we ask that you do not rezone

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do not rezone. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in the virtual audience?

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thank you

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anyone else in the virtual audience

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Chair, we have Brad Paterka. Mr. Paterka, please unmute yourself and wait for the chair.

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Hi, could you state your name as spelled please for the court reporter?

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sir

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mr puterker please unmute yourself

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sir

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Hi, could you state your name, please?

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If you hover near the bottom of your screen on the bottom left, you can unmute.

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Beautiful.

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There we go.

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Can you hear me now?

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Hi, could you state your name and spell for the court reporter, please?

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Sure.

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My name is Brad Paterka, B-R-A-D-P-E-T-E-R-K-A.

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Right.

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Do you swear for him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Proceed, sir.

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I just wanted to chime in as well in my opposition to the proposal here.

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We moved into the block a couple of years ago, specifically because it was a residential single family unit.

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And I had kind of organized the troops this last time around when they had tried to get all three of the buildings switched to multifamily.

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Um, and I had actually personally gone to the majority of our neighbors who I also have signatures in opposition to all of this. Um, and to, I believe it was Tiffany's point, um, why nobody, uh, attended the most recent RCO. Uh, I just got a notification. It was mailed out on September 22nd for a meeting on the 26th.

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um so i don't know if that's why a lot of people just didn't get their mail in time and weren't

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able to chime in but um had i known about that ahead of time i would have absolutely been there

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as well um but again just to kind of reiterate the point that we don't want multi-family on our block

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um and the there is no existing multi-family on watkins the um the corner lots that uh

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leo was talking about are on um either 20th or 19th so okay again we just prefer to keep

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how it was. Okay. We appreciate your call. Thank you. Is there anyone else in the virtual audience?

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Chair, we have Elson. Okay. Mr. Elson, could you state your name and spell for the court

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reporter, please. Elson, E-L-S-O-N, last name Joji, X-H-O-X-H-I, the owner of these three

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properties. Wait, wait, wait one minute. Wait, wait one minute. Do you swear for him to tell

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the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Yes. And you own the properties? Yes.

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I spoke just a little bit ago. So in response to the questions from the two people on here

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with the opposition, yes, we understand the concern, and that's why we don't expect to have

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100 percent support in the block but um what i would like to bring up we never received the

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second vote and on the second vote from the um areas where i got the signatures from we went

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back around the neighborhood to ask people to show up in support of five units instead of six

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so i'm a little bit concerned of why we don't have that second vote yet since it was last monday

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and as for the late notice i do apologize to you guys but we also were given um we didn't get

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months notice ahead of when the rco meeting was going to happen i believe they were trying to

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fit us into the schedule i'm not sure leo would probably know more about that but i would just

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like to request that we have the results from the second vote just to see that hey there's some

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opposition but there's also an overwhelming support for these projects which would provide

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more housing as leo stated more housing at lesser cost for more families instead of a larger housing

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for single family units at a higher cost okay thank you for your for your input is there anyone

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else in a virtual audience you're asking all the hands at this time hi planning commission

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chair before the planning commission weighs in i just wanted to direct sure i'm good leo it's

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okay i just want to direct everyone's attention to ms tiffany's concern regarding the petition

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it is showing on the screen you can see that for our petition we concluded all the information

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about the refusals including the citations of the code so anybody who did sign this was made aware

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and i believe elson would himself personally do these neighbors to do so so it wasn't as if

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we were just like sitting around doing nothing he went door to door knocked introduced himself

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and we provided the complete explanation to all the neighbors um i would still like to know

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and we provided the complete explanation to all the neighbors. I would still like to know the

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results of our vote from the meeting from last week as we don't have that yet though. Thank you.

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Okay, thank you. Planning Commission. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning. David Fechtow,

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City Planning Commission. Mr. Chairman and members of the board, the comprehensive plan

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recommends no change to the residential single-family zoning at this location. 1911 Watkins

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is a 678-square-foot lot, and 1913 and 15 Watkins are both even smaller. So we would argue

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that the small size of these lots does create a hardship that would require dimensional

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variances. However, there is no unique physical characteristic of 1911 and 1913 that would

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prevent them from being used for single-family homes. So the City Planning Commission recommends

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that the board grant the dimensional variances for the properties however uh we would request

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that you deny the use variance for duplexes at 1913 and 1911 Watkins okay um okay i'm gonna

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i'm gonna vote all three of these shepard uh mr chair this this is hillary um let me just

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interject i need to ask mr mulville a question um with 1915 being proposed um now as a single

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family dwelling um mr mobile hill are you that's the only um relief that's requested is the use

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variance on that case are you then requesting that that case be withdrawn or would you like

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the board to vote that as a duplex if the board takes a vote if the board is disinclined to grant

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the duplex vote, then perhaps just a note that for that particular property, I would prefer not

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to withdraw it. I'd rather have the board vote for it. Okay. Thank you. So we'll just, so we'll

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just vote. So the board can just vote them as, as they've been refused. Correct. Thank you.

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All right. Thank you. Duplexes. As that, because my understanding is Hillary, and correct me if

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i'm wrong looking at my applications the 19 the property that we're proposing for the duplex

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has no dimensional variances which we just said so correct it's more or less a moot point i guess

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we should just do the vote for the refusal okay we'll figure it out all right right no that that's

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that's fine i just wanted to to make sure that that wasn't be that was not being withdrawn and

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that one should we should still vote it um recognizing that you are proposing a buy right

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use at the property with no dimensional refusal that's correct all right thank you so go back

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again hillary i vote 1915 as a single home or as a duplex no no no so you just you're voting it

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you're voting it as a duplex okay all right i'm gonna vote all three together yes you can do that

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Okay. Number 11, MI 2021-002-630.

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I'm sorry, Mr. Chair. Let me just jump in. With number 1911, it has the dimensional variance requested. You may want to vote that one separately. But you can vote 15 and 13 together. Vote 11 separately.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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all right number 11 mi 2021 002 630 1913 walking street

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and number 12 mi 2021 002 624 1915 walking street i vote no for both

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harold canary my vote is no

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Thomas Holloman

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Thomas Holloman

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my vote is no to both

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James Snell

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my vote is no to both

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Ishmael can you repeat your

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sorry Ishmael can you repeat your vote

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I couldn't hear you

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yes okay thank you yes thank you now hillary 114 i vote for the dimensional variance right

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and then no to the duplex you can yes if you want to grant the dimensional and deny

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the use just be clear in your vote yes right okay mi 2021 002 625 1911 walking street

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I vote yes with proviso yes to dimensional variance and no to use as a duplex

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Carol Tenere my vote is yes with proviso Thomas Harleman

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thomas holloman

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and no to

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and no to what was your no to the uses of duplex the uses of duplex thomas holloman my vote is

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yes to the proviso and my vote is no to the duplex jane snell my vote is yes with proviso and no to

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the duplex thank you the board have a good day okay um thank you is there anyone in the virtual

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audience whose case has not been called in the morning session chair i see no hands at this time

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all right thanks everyone see everyone at two o'clock thank you see you then too thank you

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good afternoon my name is bill bergman and i will be chairing this afternoon's zba hearings

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with me is carol tanari our vice chair present mr chair ismail shaheed our board secretary

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president mr chair thomas hollman our board member president mr chairman and james snell

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our board member president mr chairman also here is our attorney hillary emerson and our zba

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supervisor lakeisha dandy before we begin here's our virtual format be advised the proceedings are

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being recorded by participating you acknowledge agreement to be recorded the video will be

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available by contact tonyasunkett.com for the benefit of our court stenographer we are we

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ask attorneys and witnesses to identify themselves before testifying if you are participating by

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phone if you wish to testify press star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute to

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an appearance statement call 267-270-5548 leave your email and the address for the property

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question and finally the question answer box on the screen is not for comments or testimony

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all comments have to be directed to our executive director tanya sunken let's look at continuances

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for this afternoon's hearing. Number three, MI 2022-003-270-2201 East Tioga Street.

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That case is going to be continued. Number six, MI 2022-003-778-2708 Commerce Way. That case is

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going to be continued. And number eight, MI 2022 001 088 8575 Parsdale Avenue. This case will be

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continued attorney moving party. Are there any questions in the virtual audience about the three

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cases that have been continued. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. This is Jason Hand. I will be the

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co-host for this afternoon. Thank you, Jason. Yes. Do we see anyone else?

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Any comments about those cases? I do not see any hands at this time, Mr. Chair.

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Any requests for additional continuances?

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Okay, sir. I have one hand up by Mr. David Orphanides. I will allow him to speak at this time, sir.

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Hi, Mr. Orphanides. Could you state your name and spell for the court reporter, please?

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Certainly. David Orphanides. Last name is spelled O-R-P-H-A-N-I-D-E-S.

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Right.

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Do you swear for him to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Is it case number 111510 North 25th?

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Yes, sir.

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I'm here on behalf of Milk Brew LLC, the owner of the property, and I'd like to request a continuance.

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Thank you.

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Granted.

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Thank you.

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Number 11, MI 2022, 003395, 1510 North 25th Street.

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That case is continued.

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Sir.

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Thank you for calling in.

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he asked if he could be excused oh yes absolutely absolutely

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okay thank you uh and number 12 mi 2022 004 240 45 14 to 22

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0-0-4-2-4-0-45-14 to 22 Woodland Avenue.

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That case has been withdrawn.

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Any other requests for withdrawals?

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No hands, Chair.

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Thank you.

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We're going to go to our add-on list.

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Voting on this case will be myself, Thomas Holloman, James Snell, and Ishmael. MI 2022-003-285-1234 West Allegheny Avenue. I vote yes.

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Thomas Holloman, my vote is yes.

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I'm sorry, with proviso, revised plan, one page, stamped by ZBA on October 5th, 2022. Sorry, Tom.

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Thomas Holloman, my vote is yes.

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We're proviso.

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Hold on, Bill.

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This is Hillary.

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I have it, Hillary.

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I have it.

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Okay, thanks.

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Okay, so there's no proviso with this one, right, Hillary?

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That is correct.

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There's no proviso.

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Okay, so no proviso, Tom.

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I'm sorry, number two has proviso.

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Thomas Holloman, my vote is yes.

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James Snell, my vote is yes.

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okay number two voting on this will be myself carl tenary and ismo mi 2022

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zero zero three one nine seven thirty nine hundred aspen street i vote yes with proviso

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revised plan one page stamp izba on october 5th 2022

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my vote is yes with proviso

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my vote is yes with proviso

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thank you and number three

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MI 2022

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003170

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2300 North 18th Street

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this is going to be

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continued to next week

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we're waiting on a letter

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from the RCO

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it'll be continued

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