and they sell. The hours for that are 10 to 5 Thursday to Sunday, and it's just one employee
that's essentially working or registered for anyone that wants to buy items here.
This is looking into the bookstore and the record store. You can see Tomorrow Today is the name of
that here's another image of that this is the interior looking into the bookstore
back here is where the tap room will be i think i have another photo that gives
a better angle of that more photos of the gallery or the bookstore
this is the bakery in the back again existing legal um inspected i just wanted to include
a photo of that for the board's reference who runs the bakery dead king bread dead king bread
um is there anything that you've already been sworn in is there anything with regard to the
operation of the businesses um that i haven't mentioned that you feel like is important for
the board to know no i feel like you really okay all right yeah um just looking here to make sure
i cover everything um the and this is something that i spoke with hillary about um the other day
just with regard to some community activity that's happening here in the gallery space or
or out in that the mini forest it's it's accessory to the businesses that are happening here it's
never more than 30 people the like i said the rco meets here they've had fundraisers here
they do a quizzo night here there's been a book reading um you know
they do a quizzo night here there's been a book reading um you know small small gatherings like
that so our understanding is there's not sort of a separate use that has to be applied for for those
accessory uses and that they are sort of shoehorned under the uses that we're asking for um i mentioned
the farmers market once a week on sunday mornings you know there's outdoor seating in the mini
forest and um you know they're looking to have sort of like an outpost for a river wards produce
type business where they can it can be a small operation where they are just bringing fresh
food items to this community um you know once a week where members of the community can walk
or drive or ride their bike there and and pick up you know whatever they need um i showed you
the plans the rco meeting notice was sent out in a timely fashion to all the near neighbors
again we had unanimous support of the community group at the community meeting
here's the application for appeal the deed to the property
and tax clearance if you would like steven her father one of the trustees to adopt my testimony
i believe he's in the virtual audience or if she's permitted to adopt my testimony that's
that would be easy we can have her do it right yeah why don't we let her do it rebecca did you
hear my testimony today was it true and correct it's true and correct and do you adopt it as your
own testimony do adopt it as my own testimony questions from the board i have a question yeah
question uh sorry the great concept um i haven't been there probably won't go um the questions
around how you're sort of designating the area uh where the wood is stacked um and and parking
How is that? How is that? How does that work logistically? I understand what your attorney said, but I'm just trying to figure that that out.
Yeah, pulling the aerial up on the screen. Right. So that the upper the upper current aerial.
But you can see that the wood is away from. Yes. Well, it's right near the cafe entrance.
so that's my concern it's kind of like so yeah most of that is um i would say cleared even
further um and that uh driveway that you see goes all the way around and is always clear
we designate cones um there is um a pretty as as we um have more people on the property as you said
there is a pretty delineated like area for the wood and area for people and we also have signs
that say danger we have all of our correct signage um yeah the i i think that the the wood is is
pretty separate from activities okay but it's not like it's not fenced off though no it's not fenced
off just because we need to have access to it for what we do but um it definitely there's
definitely delineated zones that say do not enter and so um with respect to
utilizing the wood and moving the wood how does that work and what are the hours that that takes
place and are there conflicts between those periods and when you have these other activities
going on so we actually don't move the wood as much as you think we're mostly a furniture
fabrication shop so the moving of the wood takes place in the wood shop itself um in terms of
outdoor moving of wood we really i know it um i know it might not be logical but we actually don't
um do it that often um so we process trees and reclaimed beams and the trees are pretty much
like we processed a lot during covid and we have a store of lumber that is there already
and we really don't process the trees unless honestly we haven't processed them since covid
so we have the trees don't really move around and then the beams we do process those more frequently
but that processing takes place away from anything and like anything that you see here
um it actually takes place like on the corner i'm going to share i think you want to share
the pavilion i'm assuming uh yeah sure i'm gonna go on atlas and share a larger a wider skit wider
view aerial photo um and it's again it's important for us that those activities don't mix so we don't
mix so we don't move the wood and we don't process the wood when people are when the
move the wood and we don't process the wood when people are when the
other operations are open that was that was really the point yeah yeah what's the hour of the retail
component um so the gallery and the bookstore are open wednesday through i mean thursday through
sunday 10 to 5. um the bakery has hours thursday through
saturday 10 to 2. and they're banking on site yes um are they a a retail operation in any way
at this point or is it sort of like wholesale they i don't know how many wholesale accounts
they have yeah like could i walk in off the street and get bread yes okay so then it's retail i think
also want to echo my concern as mike said about sort of how this relates to lumber operations
i think understanding how you said that you guys have a lot of back product from um i guess raw
material from covid but understanding that's not going to be here forever hopefully right if you're
going to stay in business. That would be your forever situation. And so just thinking like
long-term, what are these very different uses kind of mean together on one site? I think my
second concern is about trucks. Adding in retail and adding in things means you got to bring
products and you've got to bring raw materials to make bread and make coffee and all of these
things. And so now you're going to have more deliveries and we've got people coming in. This
is a very car oriented site. I think you did a lot to try to create more of a pedestrian
experience by adding the
forest
or that sort of outdoor plaza area
but it's still like from urban design
standpoint it's still not really pedestrian
oriented and I think
I would like to see some clearer
delineation
sidewalks, walkways
protective walks
striping
even if it's like planters
something that like delineates
because if a person
and understanding it is a part of the city where
cars are more frequent. If a person's walking off the street, having to come through this,
if there's a delivery happening, if something's happening on the lumberyard, this could be,
there's a lot happening. Sure. Yeah. I think striping is probably the most
feasible, meaning like painting the pavement. It just doesn't go with there.
So they use the delivery once a week at about 8 a.m., so before operations. They're a very,
very small bakery they do not um yeah they only receive one like food delivery truck once a week
and then we only receive about i would say one or two deliveries of wood a year um if that um and
that would happen also really early in the morning all of these guys wake up really early um and the
The bookstore receives no deliveries. The gallery receives no deliveries. The taproom
would have, I think they would come in their car with their product. And those are the
only...
So that's just in the current iteration. So I'm just saying, like, I also wanted to leave
this open that if these things need to grow. I think there's a lot of instances of businesses
that operate like this around the country, there's many in the South. It's a very popular
type of concept yeah in places like nashville yeah and almost all of the ones that i've ever
been in have like grown a lot yeah well i mean that would be that whole so idea a lot yes so i
hear you yeah i think most of them start off with like operations similar to the scale that you've
discussed and then they become like and i think to even use bach as your sort of alluded yeah
reference like same thing happened there and now it's like a very different operation than it was
when it started. So to set it up now so that long term the property is viable.
I have a question just about if there's any plans for signage, like how will people know
all of this fantastic stuff is happening behind this fence?
Yeah, signage is super important. We have a bakery sign in the forest with where to
enter. We have the Mount Young Timber sign already, and we also have a sandwich board
outside of the entrance of the cafe or where the cafe would hopefully be um the gallery and the
bookstore that has like signage of where to enter you have or would you like to ultimately be able
to put some signage up closer to umbria because it is a little bit further from the street to
catch we have a we have a pole that's on the street and it has a bakery sign a mount young
timber sign and a gallery sign um i think that probably suffices for now until we
Like get approval and like, and, and, you know, um, but yes, there is signage on the street as well. And parking is pretty tight to our driveway. So there's not a lot of space other than the pole to put signs. And yeah, just, just so I clear. Sure. Do you sell the, the firewood too? No, sells the firewood. It's right up the street. Yeah, because I go by and it's like, I'm thinking the whole time.
like get approval and like sure and and you know um but yes there is signage on this
it out like because yeah no it's not that we don't probably go by there most days yeah and i i haven't
noticed this i don't i just yeah i will i will but i just haven't and i'm i'm thinking because
who does that all that firewood yeah um i'm not sure but they actually their sign is very large
it's true but um very large product in the street we uh we did just put a bright yellow
So I'll sign off. I'm going to look. You should look for it. Maybe on the way home, I'll look. Yeah, it's called Umbria Arts. Okay. Okay. I have two questions. Okay. So one, the tap room. So you're talking about hours for the tap room where I'm not seeing that there's hours for the other, like food.
so how is that gonna work i mean i thought that you had to have some kind of food if you're
serving um alcohol of some sort and maybe i'm wrong but i think that you do so i feel like i
remember you and alan having this conversation a while back i don't believe that to be your
requirement they have um licensure from the liquor control board uh the two locals do um to be able
to serve alcohol here um yeah beer yeah and the rep it's it's beer it's a beer specific license
and i think that's all they sell at their i haven't been on market street oh they sell more
well it's just beer here they're licensed for that as well okay well we're just doing beer here
Well, I just know that I did some of those micro breweries at different times.
And yes, you have to have some kind of food.
If we're required to have food, we will figure out a way to have some prepared foods.
Yeah, if we're approved for the cafe, we can definitely be open at the same time.
So then there's access to food and alcohol.
And then my second question is, where is this farmer's market going to be?
Sure, I'll share my screen.
It's once a week.
Sunday mornings.
which is a day where the where the uh manny on timber does not is not open okay um and it's
the bakery isn't open either yeah the bakery's not open either and it's it's if you can see on
the screen it's essentially where these cars are which are there because this is a work day for
manny on timber and they wouldn't be there on a sunday and then i have a street level photo of
what that space looks like it's it's small i mean we're talking about like four four or five vendors
Yeah. Yeah. Right here. I mean, they do that in my neighborhood. Like they, you know, they have the Amish people and whoever, and they come and they set up and they have like, uh, they have trucks and they have little tents and things like that. So is that what we're talking about?
that is yeah okay temporary small but i'm hoping to make a relationship with someone that already
has the relationships with farmers okay and then um so it wouldn't be like i wouldn't have to set
up individual relationships with farmers myself i would like like to river wards would be a goal
for me because they already have um a grocery store so and it's all produce from farmers and so
i my ideal is to work with them so they can just bring what they have and have like an outpost
on sundays at at the space okay so i imagine it being like one entity versus like all the
yeah and you would have it in the space where now you yes have the cars parking near the cars in the
in red yes okay um and it is too late um if we get approval um it is too late to do it this season
so it would start next year okay and again like parking for you know because not just where this
is going to be but people would have to drive and yeah you know so we have about i would say
they're not delineated with lines but we have about 10 to 12 parking spaces other than this
delineated space that you see um and then there's ample street parking as well great especially on
a sunday yeah it's empty okay there's no trains running yeah thank you thank you all the questions
thank you all the questions questions from our attorney
questions from our attorney
not at this time mr chair questions or comments from the virtual audience
here we have two hands up one uh the first hand is from sloan solly okay sure
hi there can you allow to speak can you hear me yes could you please state your name and
spell for the stenographer uh yes my name is sloan solly uh s-l-o-a-n-e last name s-o-l-l-e-y
do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
Yes, I do.
Do you, I don't want to say neighbor, do you live nearby?
Yes, I live very nearby and I have visited the property.
Why don't you proceed with your testimony?
Yeah, I just wanted to say that I have visited the location, Maniunk Timber, and seen the space.
and I just like to say that I'm really excited about the potential of having a
third space in a part of the neighborhood that it's really really
needed I think there's a lot of potential to support local artists and
other small business owners and we also have a problem with access to groceries
and vegetables in the Maniank and lower Roxborough area.
It would be amazing to have a farmer's market
within walking distance to my house.
Additionally, I've been on the property before
and I feel like there is plenty of space for parking
and I never feel that the activities of the lumber yard
are imposing on my experience there.
It is all very well,
There's a lot of signage around where some of the larger, older logs are in the back.
But like Rebecca said, I don't really see them move ever.
And I can tell that I'm not supposed to go into that area.
There's also tons of parking on Umbria always.
So that's great.
And I don't think parking would be an issue with any of these businesses.
um and it's also worth noting that it is really close to the ivy ridge line so i think people can
absolutely come on foot to this location um but yeah i'm excited and hope that uh this will
thank you very thank you very much for taking that time we appreciate do we have another hand
yes chair we have a hand up from a tm lusa visa day okay i will allow them to speak
Hi, could you please state your name as spelled for the stenographer?
Hello, my name is Tiamu Savizadeh.
My first name is spelled T-E-E-Y-A-M.
Last name is M-O-U-S-S-A-V-I-Z-A-D-E-H.