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ZBA Hearing - December 1, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 1, 20208h 28m

Thank you.

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This is Hillary, Mr. Chair.

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I'm back on, I heard.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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All right.

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and okay thank you Mr. Kerr and I apologize to other folks who are still waiting to be heard

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you will have an opportunity as Tanya said you can either do it via email or when we come back

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on the 20th you'd be more than welcome to hear your testimony thank you thank you thank you Mr.

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Chair thanks everyone thank you that concludes the two o'clock session oh god I thought today

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was going to be easy um it's eight minutes after take a 10 minute break does that work

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that's good yes chair work for you court reporter that's what i'm looking at

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all righty thanks see you shortly see you around 20 after okay

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Good evening, everyone. My name is Frank DiCicco. I'm the chair of the Zoning Board of Adjustment.

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I'll be participating in today's hearing along with our Vice Chair, Ms. Carol Tenere,

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Board Secretary, Confessor Plaza, and Board Members, Mr. Thomas Holloman and Mr. James Snell.

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Board Administrator Ms. Tanya Sunkett and Board Attorney Ms. Sharon Saleta are also in attendance.

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For those of you who haven't yet participated in one of our virtual hearings, I'll go through some

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of the basics of what you can expect. First, we will be administering oaths to individual

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participants prior to their testimony. Second, for the benefit of anyone participating by phone,

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we ask that attorneys and witnesses identify themselves prior to speaking or testifying.

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Third, we'd like to advise everyone that this proceeding is being recorded

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and that by participating, you acknowledge your agreement to be recorded.

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Fourth, for anyone participating by phone, if you wish to testify,

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you must raise your hand by hitting star 9 and then star 6 to unmute yourself.

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I'll repeat.

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For anyone participating by phone, if you wish to testify,

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you must raise your hand by hitting star 9 and then star 6 to unmute yourself.

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Finally, to enter an appearance statement, call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address

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and the address of the property at issue. I'll repeat. To enter an appearance statement,

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call Google 267-270-5548 and leave your email address and the address of the property at issue.

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with that being said and but before our vice chair calls our first case we'd like to ask if

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anyone is requesting a continuance or an appeal excuse me a continuance or withdrawal for an

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appeal for this evening's hearing list in the meantime i will read off a couple of cases that

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we've already been requested to continue. Page number one, MI 2020-001436, 1446 West

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Medro, NEDRO Street. MI 2020-001435, excuse me, 2322 West Tioga. MI 2020-001529,

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2120 East Arizona Street.

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If the applicant and or an attorney is present for the cases I just called off

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and believe those cases are being continued in error, please raise your hand.

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And again, if anyone is requesting a continuance or withdrawal,

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please raise your hand at this time.

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Chair, we have Charles Richardson.

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He's been unmuted.

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Mr. Richardson, you're putting a full day in today.

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Mr. Richardson.

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This is true, Mr. Chair.

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Identify yourself and you've already been sworn in.

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Charles Richardson from the Office of Councilwoman Cindy Bass, Room 312, City Hall.

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Charles Richardson from the Office of Councilwoman Cindy Bass, room 312, City Hall.

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2232 West Estall Street, which is MI2020-001434.

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Asking for a continuance because we, our office and the RCO have received no communication from the individuals.

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Okay, that's number four for the board members on our sheet number four.

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um excuse me this is Sharon I'm sorry chair I didn't mean to interrupt um we we also received

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the request from Swampoodle RCO but we did receive exhibits from the applicant so if we could check

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to see if they are here yeah is the applicant of it here for 2232 east s tall e-s-t-a-u-g-h street

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chair we have a caller from with the phone number ending at 6845 i'm sorry fatina no

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this is clear this is clarence dupree you've been unmuted you can speak to the

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continuous request okay uh i have no objection to the continuous request mr dupree would you

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please identify yourselves by your first and last name and give us your address my name is clarence

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Dupree. That's C-L-A-R-E-N-C-E-D-U-P-R-E-E. My address is 647 West Park Lane. I'm the applicant

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and the owner of the building. We're in a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the

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truth? I do. You've heard there's a request from the Councilwoman's office for a continuance and

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addition to, I believe, Swamp Poodle as the RCO. Any objection to continuing this case?

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I have no objection to continuing the case, although I did notify them both.

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And I have been trying to notify at least Swampuro as well as the other RCO multiple times.

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That's contained in my exhibits, but again, I have no objection.

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Okay. These are trying times, as you know, and sometimes we're having difficulty connecting.

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So it's just...

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I'm sorry.

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Mr. Chair.

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Okay, go ahead, Charles.

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Go ahead, Charles.

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Okay.

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Okay. Just wanted to let you know the Swamp Poodle is not the coordinating RCO for that property.

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It is Tioga United.

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So I have to get in contact with them. Swamp Poodle is not the coordinating RCO.

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Okay. Thank you for clearing that up.

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All right.

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I reach out to both of them, Swamp Poodle and Tioga United.

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And I have emails from both, but I'll be happy to reach out to them again.

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Okay. You can work with Mr. Richardson, the Councilwoman's office.

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i think that would be helpful as well sure thank you for your cooperation so mi 2020

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i'm sorry i just wanted to ask a question for what i would do um mr dupree do you have any

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kind of time limits or concerns about this here property where you really need to get

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it scheduled sooner than later no no no okay sounds good thank you so very kindly

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Thank you, Tanya. MI 2020, that's 001434, 2232 West Estall Street is continued.

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Chair, if you could also confirm whether anyone is here for numbers seven and eight,

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I don't have a record of having received exhibits and in case anyone is here to participate,

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We wouldn't want them to wait needlessly.

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Okay, sure.

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Is anyone here for 6415 Harbison Avenue?

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Anyone here to testify on 6415 Harbison Avenue?

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Only have your hand up if it's for Harbison.

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The call-in user, are you here for Harbison?

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You're going to mute yourself.

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Calling users press star six.

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Okay.

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So Sharon will continue this case, correct?

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Correct.

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Thank you.

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And Tanya, has this case already been continued?

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Is this the first time?

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no this here is from november 2019 so must be heard would be wonderful that's why i'm asking

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you okay mi 2020 that is zero zero zero zero six six six four one five harbison avenue is continued

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must be heard is there anyone here for five four oh five christian street is there anyone on

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who would like to testify on 5405 Christian Street.

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Who would like to testify on 5405 Christian Street?

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Yes.

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Please identify yourself.

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Spell your name.

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Give us your full name.

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Spell it and your address, and that's where you're in.

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Lloyd M. Carpenter.

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L-L-O-Y-D.

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Carpenter.

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C-A-R-P-E-N-T-E-R.

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Your address?

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5430 Webster Street.

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Wearing a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Are you the applicant?

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No, I'm not.

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You are?

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In what capacity are you involved?

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46 Ward RCO.

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Well, Sharon, do we have any exhibits?

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No, I do not have exhibits for this one.

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Okay, sir, we're going to continue this, and we'll put it down as a must-be-heard.

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okay okay okay thank you for your participation mi2020-0000295405 christian street is continued

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must be heard i well i did have an attorney here listed um sorry about that um mr gossett are you

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here for this case? I am here, yes. Sorry about that, sir. No problem. Are you prepared to go

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forward with this case? I am prepared to go forward, Chairman. It's my understanding that

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the documents have previously been sent into the zoning board, and I'm ready to go forward.

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Excuse me, this is Sharon Saleta. When you say they were sent in, were they emailed in?

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yes they were okay um can you provide us information regarding that the date they were

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sent in and by whom i can't i believe that it was sent in from from the um participating rco i

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believe it was sent in a few days ago no from from the actual applicant or attorney must submit

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documents relative to this particular hearing proceeding and if we have not received them

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then the case would be continued. So, there are required documents to go forward for this hearing.

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Right. That would have been the deed. That would have been the tax compliance. That would have

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been the letter. Right. You said the RCO. That's not their role. I was CC'd on the actual email

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that was sent in. Again, if I could be very clear, the requirement is for the applicant,

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attorney or owner to submit the documents was that done i'm not exactly sure who i know that

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it was sent in because i was cc but i cannot tell you exactly who sent it in well it doesn't appear

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they've been they were sent to the right party so we'll have to continue this case okay all right

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MI 2020-0000295405, Christian Street is continued.

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Any other requests?

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Chair, we have one more.

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Adam Levere.

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Adam Levere.

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Number two on our list, North Howard Street.

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I think that must be a technical error.

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I did not raise my hands.

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We're prepared to proceed with the case in due course.

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Okay, thank you.

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Only hands up for anyone who is requesting a continuance or withdrawal.

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One last time.

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There are no hands here.

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Thank you.

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I know I keep leaving this out, but I would ask it.

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no one attempt to testify in the chat. Any comments should be directed to the Board Administrator.

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With that, we'll go to number two is our first case, MI 2020-000832-1700-06 North Howard

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Street. Good evening, Mr. Laver. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of the

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board. If you can give us one second we're going to promote him. He's been promoted. Thank you Mr.

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Labor do you swear and affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth? I do Mr.

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Chairman. And please identify yourself for the record. Mr. Chairman members of the board Adam

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laver of blank rome one logan square philadelphia pa 19103 thank you miss uh canary has some

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questions for you labor do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its

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Mr. Laver, do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?

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accuracy

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Yes, Mrs. Tenere, I do.

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And have you emailed the exhibit packet with the required documents, which would include proof of ownership, tax compliance, a copy of the refusal or referral, photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing?

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And have you met with the RCO and hopefully you have a letter?

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Yes, Mrs. Tenere, all of that is correct.

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In addition, we submitted revised proviso plan and form to Ms. Saleta, counsel for the board.

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Great. Thank you. You may proceed.

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Thank you very much.

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Members of the board, I'm here on behalf of 1700 North Howard Street LP, the equitable owner of 1700-30 North Howard Street, as well as its parent entity, Urban Conversions LLC.

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urban conversions has appeared before this board before with us are andrew zachroff of urban

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conversions and sergio kosha and charles long of kosher moose architecture as uh mrs tenere

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asked i have submitted a package with 18 exhibits and revised proviso plans to the board

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at this time i'm going to attempt to screen share and up on up on the screen you should see some

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examples of urban conversions work in the past as the board may recall urban conversions uh

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prides itself on its reputation for creative adaptive reuse of historic properties throughout

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our city. Now on the screen I have some photographs of the subject property. This case concerns the

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proposed repurposing of a historically designated but unfortunately neglected industrial property.

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You see it most clearly in photographs A and B. This is the circa 1865 decorating plant of

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gillinger and sons franklin flint glassworks the property is individually listed on the

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philadelphia historical commission's register mr labor pardon the interruption could you

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enlarge that yes that's good a little a little smaller now okay that's good thank you

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oh in the upper left hand corner uh you are seeing the cecil be more frontage

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uh where it says road closed in this photograph uh is howard street uh in b we're looking at

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howard street c is howard street and i'll show you uh in a while some waterloo photographs uh

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wrapping around in the nomination mr chairman to the philadelphia register of historic places

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the property was described by the nominator an outside party the keeping society

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as, quote, a rare surviving industrial building relating to the glass industry in Kensington.

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Here is an aerial photograph of the site, and I'm trying to zoom in a little bit.

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You see the 1700 North Howard Street property right there on the corner across from the schoolyard.

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The nomination goes on to attest, quote, like many other industrial complexes, the subject

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building had its own recognizable presence, as it does today at the northwest corner of

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