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ZBA Hearing - September 18, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Sep 18, 20245h 49m

homes within the city. Thank you, sister. You heard some of what I said that was about the

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policies of the sisters. Do you adopt that as your testimony as well? Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chairman,

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I think that we've completed our presentation. We're happy to answer any questions the board may

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have questions from the board i have a question so while while the men will not be living on site um

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I have a question. So while the men will not be living on site, what about visitation? Will men be allowed to visit the site?

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The plan is to allow individuals on the first floor in the public spaces. Again, there won't be any women and children there who are with a husband, a father, someplace like that. They're two different groups. When we have an intact family, they house them in a different location with a two or three bedroom individual row home.

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so you're saying that any male engagement will be done on in a common area on the first floor

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on the first floor where those four offices and the common spaces are down there under supervision

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of the staff okay and then also for a couple of the units they have to uh go out there's no

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interior bathrooms so um are they accepting just single women uh without children for those

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possible units instead of having children going outside to go to their bathroom?

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Correct. There are six of the units that have disconnected bathrooms. The idea is that those

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will be single women or maybe a woman and a mother, two adult women who are connected in

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some way in a family. The six units, the seven units that have intact bathrooms could be for

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a mother and child dynamic where it's a one bedroom or a mother with multiple children

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where it's a two bedroom. Thank you.

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We have the questions from the board.

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Yes.

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I have a question about what is the age where they're defining adult male?

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Ten.

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Ten years old?

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Okay.

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It's women and children under ten is the entire universe.

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So we're not taking 11-year-old women, 11-year-old girls either.

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It's women and children under ten.

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That's the line we're drawing.

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And my question, you said that there was going to be training programs or something that's going on there.

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i don't see space for that but so ms gaston let me go back to the slides there there the what we

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have marked as the as the great room and those things on the first floor would are designed to

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be multimodal and multi-use facilities um so if you come down here on the first floor

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uh you have this meeting room right here in the middle here and the and the great room over to

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the side here that's 663 square feet in the 225 square foot meeting room. And those are designed

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to be multimodal. So there'll probably be computers up against the wall or things like that.

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We will not generally conduct those trainings ourselves. The sisters have partners in the

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community. Every family here has their own caseworker. They all come referred from

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higher. So one of the other Catholics family services, one of the other entities that provide

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wider services so the idea is that we will be housing partner agencies who come in and do

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individual trainings for the people who will live for the women who are living there okay and that's

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in english that's in uh basic financial literacy how to get a social security card things like that

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okay all right thank you of course good to see you questions or comment

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question or comments from our attorney hillary emerson

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not at this time mr chair question or comments from the virtual audience

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yes a person's hand went up but it went right oh he's back nick huck will be allowed to speak

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okay sir could you please state your name it's spelled for the court stenographer

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first name is nicholas n-i-c-h-o-l-a-s last name is huck h-u-c-k

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Where or firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, sir.

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Are you a neighbor?

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Yes, in the fact that I'm the principal of the school that is on the same property as the convent.

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Please, please give us your testimony.

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Sure.

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We have about, we have 525 students at our school.

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A significant number of them are from immigrant families.

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And as you saw from the diagrams, there's a large amount of shared space with the convent and the school.

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Our primary concern is that we can do as much as we can to maintain the safety of our children and for the staff and the community that is a part of our school.

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Okay.

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Is that the end of your testimony, sir?

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Yes, sir.

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All right. Thank you.

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Mr. Chairman, if I could just comment on that.

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My client is committed, and frankly, the Archdiocese and the Monsignor who runs the parish are aggressively working to work together to accommodate all of the users in this complex.

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They're all, you know, the ground is all owned by the Roman Catholic Church, the Archdiocese, and we're one big family in that dynamic.

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Any other questions from the virtual audience?

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I see no other hands, Chair.

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Any commission?

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Any commission?

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This is Ron Bednar, City Planning.

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So, Ron Bednar, City Planning.

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The property is indicated for residential use on the city plan.

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The applicant has demonstrated that the proposed use will have no more of an impact than would be expected to have given its location.

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Therefore, we recommend granting the request for special exception.

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Thank you.

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MI 2024-004-295-6127 North 5th Street, I vote yes.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes.

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Iowa, my vote is yes.

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Tynetta Graham, my vote is yes.

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You have your four votes, counsel.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Thank you, members of the board.

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May we be excused.

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Thank you.

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You can.

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Thank you very much.

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Number 11, MI 2024-004-318-135 South 18th Street.

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Rachel Pritzker is the attorney.

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There's a letter of non-opposition from Center City Residents and a letter of non-opposition from Council Member Young.

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Also, the applicant has provided two form letters of support from neighbors.

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Rachel Pritzker has been promoted.

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Counsel, could you please state your name and spell for the court stenographer?

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Sure.

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Rachel, R-A-C-H-A-E-L, Pritzker, P-R-I-T-Z-K-E-R.

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Where or firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Could you identify your client, their relationship to the property?

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Sure.

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My client's 135 South 18th Street Associates, LP, and I have Stephen Ferraro here who is in ownership.

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Do you stipulate to the reading of the refusal and do you agree with its accuracy?

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Yeah.

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Please proceed and share your screen.

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Can we also promote Stephen Potts?

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He's the architect.

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Sure.

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We'll have him ready.

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Okay.

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Can you see my screen?

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It's coming up right now.

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Yep.

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We see.

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It's a little bit off to the side.

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better maybe you want to make it just a little bit large a little a little tough to read

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better it's better okay it's hard to see what you're looking at or what you can see

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i guess from the way my screen is the calendar number percer if i may can you just um widen

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your screen like make it a whole screen

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can i widen it you drag it drag it get to the end of it drag it

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like it's in like the minimize if you can there you go is that better yep thank you

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sorry guys i'm the least tech savvy lawyer in the town so i apologize okay is that better though

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it is it was we see everything okay great okay i'm gonna get to the refusal

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Okay. This is for 135 South 18th Street. This is a CMX5 property located at the corner

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of 18th and Walnut. This is the AK Rittenhouse Hotel, if you're familiar with Rittenhouse Square.

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This project is for the installation of two illuminated accessory building identification

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signs, size and location as per plans, which we'll go through. This generated one refusal

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for accessory sign controls for specific zoning districts for maximum height. The proposed

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accessory sign installation is above the second floor windowsill, which results in a refusal

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exceeding the maximum height allowed for CMX 5. The sign is located on the exterior wall,

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as the plans will show, just to give you an idea of this building. If you can see on my screen,

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it's this corner where the aka is it's a historic building as well so I'll go through a hardship as

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for the location of the signs but as you can see it's a long-standing commercial mixed-use building

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high-rise on 18th and Walnut it's located on roughly 7,500 square feet given the size of the

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property and its commercial characteristics the mixed-use nature of the building and its location

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on this busy street 18th and Walnut we're needing a relief from the zoning code for

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two illuminated signs that we'll show on our plans. Essentially, the code only allows for them

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to be under the second windowsill. There is some, as you can see, historic detailing and facade on

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this property. And so given that and the fact that it's a mixed-use property that has a bunch

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of different retail tenants, restaurant, hotel, and also, again, given sort of the location of

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um and also again given sort of the location of the sills and the historic details on this project

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the sills and the historic detail.

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location as per the code is not feasible or practical um on this site so this is just for

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signs um and we're looking for relief from the code just to allow for the signs to be

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above the second story windowsill um just going to go through we met with so we also have approval

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given the historic nature and the review by the art commission we have approved from the art

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commission we also have approval from the historical commission as well for the location

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and for the design of these signs um your tax clearance the deed again this is cmx5 aerial

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shots of the site zoning posters all in our exhibit packet

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This is the part in the code that we are seeking relief from.

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We met with Center City Residence Association back in August on the 27th, and as was mentioned,

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we sent mailers to 231 people, and we have a letter of non-opposition for the signs proposed

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in this application and for the refusals that I mentioned.

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um i also believe you should have a letter of non-opposition as mentioned from

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the council office um i'd like to bring up stephen potts from the architecture firm who designed

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the project just to quickly go through the signs and the details of them and the locations

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for our hardship okay stephen potts has been promoted

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could you please state your name and spell for the sonographer

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Absolutely. It's Stephen Potts, S-T-E-P-H-A-N, last name Potts, P-O-T-T-S, with Stanif Potts Architects.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Stephen, can you just share your screen and go through the plans?

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Absolutely. And I'll try to be succinct and brief here.

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um what you're looking at here is a a rendering a photoshop rendering we did to show these signs

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in the proposed location um what what these signs are trying to accomplish is is helping

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people understand the identity of what that what happens in the building um and the thing we

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struggled with here and the reason we're looking for relief from the zoning code in this particular

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case is that the the uh i think i can draw here and you'll be able to see the zone that would be

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the sort of by right place to put just below the second floor windowsill where signage where this

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signage as proposed would be just by right would be uh wouldn't present any need for refusal um is

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quite tightly packed with actually a lot of really beautiful stone ornamentation and uh and also

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architectural this sort of bronze window surrounds and the way uh i think i'm going to skip maybe just

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while we're talking about this to the to the details so when you when you look at the um

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this is the uh walnut street elevation um that zone that i was talking about it's sort of below

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here's the second floor sill so each separate uh retail store has what would be sort of your normal

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kind of identification of what happens inside that window,

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let's say, if it's a retail store like Lagos or Toomeat.

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What we were trying to do, and so I guess the difficulty

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was how to apply signage to this building in such a way

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that it would sort of, where was the lowest place

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on the building you could apply signage,

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but still be respectful of the architecture

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and the historic nature of the building's sort of importance.

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And I think one thing that's important to kind of start out with is that we work closely with the Historic Commission to kind of work together to work out this location.

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It was by far the preferred location of the Historic Commission because this is a spot on the facade that has sort of smooth stonework without any crenellations or any kind of ornamental bronze work.

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So hopping back to the rendering for a second, that's why that location made sense to them.

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They were very pleased with this proposal.

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um it the scientists otherwise in full compliance with this type of signage in terms of height

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illumination it's not proposed to be facelit or blinking or anything like that it's actually

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backlit metal letters so that it would actually just be a subtle glow around them um and that

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was something that both with the historic commission and in our conversations with the

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art commission that was appreciated as well um we also were careful to get the input of the

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neighbors at the RCO meeting, we spoke with them about the color temperature of the lighting,

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the sort of ways in which the intention here was to have building on a vacation,

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building out a vacation but to do it in a way that fit with the architecture of the building and was

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but to do it in a way that fit with the architecture of the building and was subtle.

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subtle in impact not aggressively bright or anything of that nature i'm just kind of quickly

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just going through the rest of the pages here this is a site plan that shows the two locations

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the sign they're near the corner of 18th and walnut and just kind of completing out these

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drawings the drawings we have here are the are the just they say approved because either the

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copies of the drawings that were approved by the uh store commission they were actually approved at

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staff level which i think is sort of speaks to um the uh so the supportive nature of the of that

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that conversation with them we we um we work closely together to make sure we were sort of

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all our connection points are at grout joints and things like that all the things we would want to do

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to make sure that we're uh being respectful of the building so um that i i we could i could

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