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ZBA Hearing - October 19, 2022

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 19, 20224h 18m

Just some examples of other tiny home villages that have been successful through Colorado and Seattle.

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Just some examples of other tiny home villages that have been successful.

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You can skip who the board is.

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If you have questions about how the site will operate, I have all that info.

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We can come back to it. It's not necessarily a zoning matter.

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But so the site in question you can see here, basically all the buildings back here, which I'll zoom into.

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so there's several buildings back here that as leta mentioned were for the for the home of the

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aging uh we are behind the the prison that's on state road which is on a separate property

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and then uh behind between us and the river uh you have a public park but that is gated

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and separate from the from the site so the parks open to the public our site is secured and gated

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um uh the property excuse me you're on the river you're facing the river you're not across from

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the prisons no we are we are this blue area back here facing the park and the river okay

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great location yeah i mean they're going to have better views than any of us probably

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um so here's the part of the site in question you can see part of the parking lot here

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And then off the page to the bottom here, number 12, there's an additional parking lot since parking was one of our refusals, but there is ample parking on site.

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This is an existing building here that was previously used for a shelter pre-COVID.

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It has not been used or in operations since.

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and we're going to repurpose this building the common bathrooms kitchenette facilities

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and lounge space which would be completely open 24 7 to all the members of the tiny home village

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and then each one of these gray boxes represents a new single room occupancy tiny home that'll be

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dedicated to one of these senior women who would stay there for a year or two. And then this is a

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plan of what one of those houses would look like. So again, it is small. It is a tiny home. It's

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for sleeping. So they have privacy, security. It's completely separate conditioned. It would

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meet all the terms of the building code as far as energy efficiency and heating and cooling and

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that sort of stuff. And we've already preliminary went to the BBS and had a preliminary building

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code review to make sure that we can build these. And then here's a rendering of what that

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essentially village would look like. So again, each one of these houses is meant for an individual

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woman. There's common community space, garden space that would be on site. And then there will

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be heated and lighted pathways, which will lead to the main building, which has bathroom

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facilities, kitchen and laundry, and a common room for everybody.

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And that's basically the summary of what it is.

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And I can answer any questions that the board specifically has.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Yes.

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I have two questions.

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Sure, Thomas.

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What is the trash removal plan for this project? And also, what is the security plan for this project?

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Sure, I can answer both of those. There's common trash storage within the existing building.

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There's also trash facilities and pickup for the existing programs on site. We're not the only ones

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on this site. It is a city maintained and operated property. So we would just tie into

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that existing trash program. And then for security, the site is gated. It has 24-7

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security guard. You have to check in before you can even access the site

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for all the programs that are there. And then our portion of the property, in addition,

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will have added security cameras

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and monitoring and staffing

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in addition to what's already on site.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the board?

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I would ask at this time,

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Mr. Chairman, with your permission,

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again, just because this is

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an important project for the city

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and this is an opportunity

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to present it to the public,

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if Ms. Farrell could just give

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a brief description of the program

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and why it's a good program and why it's necessary for the cities to start moving in this direction.

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Kathy, if you could just briefly describe it.

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Sure. Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone.

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I am passionate about this project, and I'm convinced that it will be successful

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just because it is successful other places where it's been put into place.

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other places where it's been put into place um this is for as you've heard this is for older

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This is for, as you...

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women so women who are at least 55 years old and that sadly is considered older um when you're

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living on the street so this will be a place for them to go and have security and stability uh

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services are going to be provided they're being paid for by the city um and typically in seattle

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in Denver, where this has been in effect for several years now, these people are able to get

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their lives back on track and move to permanent housing within anywhere from six to 24 months.

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24 months is really the outside. And then it's shown that they tend to stay in their home.

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They don't go back to the streets. So it's a compassionate model. They're in community.

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it's an effective model and it's also been shown to be cost effective so we're very excited to do

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this in philly we're very grateful to the people of holmesburg who are supportive and our goal is

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to make this a model for the city and surrounding areas after did you go anywhere else and look at

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an operation i've been to seattle and visited several of these yeah and um i was really

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impressed they they let me speak to whoever i wanted to speak to wow and everybody said and

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it's in one of my slides they said this place has saved my life seattle how many how many units did

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they have oh how many units um they currently have 17 villages oh oh okay yeah some of them

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i mean they started out they started out small with about 12 um but most of the villages have

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anywhere from 24 to 50 houses. Wow, that's great. And I would also add to that, you know, again,

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there's some vetting for the persons who will be allowed to reside at the facility. There'll be no

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drug use involved. Now, again, they're not going to be prisoners. They're allowed to come and go

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as they please. But again, we do have that 24-7 security in place. And we've also, after

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discussions with the RCO and with city planning, we have agreed to a couple of provisors that

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Molly Costello will just tell the board about. So the provisors that we have agreed to

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will be that the site will only be for women. There'll be security cameras on the site and

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that this is just temporary supportive housing. So the goal is, and the metric by which success

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really, I think is, I believe is measured, Kathy, you could speak more to this, is the ability to

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get people off the street, safe, and then move forward into a permanent housing situation.

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Okay. I have a question. Can they be for formerly incarcerated women who wind up homeless?

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As far as my understanding is that the requirements that are set by the Office of Homeless Services has certain guidelines, but they do have a fairly low bar because, you know, we want people off the street.

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So the answer is, I believe, and Kathy, correct me if I'm wrong, is that there is not going to be a prohibition on persons being able to reside in the facility because they have priors.

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Um, so, thank you.

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I have one question.

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So is there, I don't know if you all went out, but is there a designated area for a trash

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removal?

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I'm sorry.

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I couldn't understand.

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Yeah, I wasn't sure.

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I could hear you all if you went out, but I said, do you all have a designated area for

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trash removal?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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I don't know what he said.

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A designated area for trash removal, which was one of Tom's questions.

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Okay.

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I have one more question.

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Sure, Thomas.

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How do you heat and cool the units?

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Yeah, so each building has a separate wall-mounted condenser that's on the back of it.

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And then there's a ductless mini split, which is a heating and air conditioning unit on the inside.

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So each unit is individually temperature controlled and regulated for both heating and cooling.

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And we'll meet all the standards of the building code.

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Rustin, what are the dimensions of these units?

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Hang on, I can give you the exact dimensions.

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Just curious.

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They're like 8 by 12.

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8 by 12, and they have a really cute little four-foot porch in front of them.

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Yeah, they get a designated private porch, window box.

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they get to pick their color their door so they get some personal identity

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the point is they get people off the street and give them a safe place that they can call home

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the point is they have people off the street and give them a safe place that they can call home

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and then all the amenities that they need are provided by the city and sanctuary village in

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the common building yeah the multi-colors give it a great look it really does it doesn't look

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so nice bill maybe we can look into that leonard anything else uh we have nothing else to present

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leonard do you want to talk about the tree at all the heritage tree well my understanding i

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think weston can also address this is that the tree itself is an older tree but it's very unhealthy

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we have not uh commissioned uh an arborist report however the tree itself is is self-evidently uh

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dying and so uh in order for the project to work unfortunately we're not uh going to be able to

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uh relocate any of the proposed buildings without substantial additional expense but

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Rustin, if you have anything you want to add to that.

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No, I mean, I have a photo of the tree, which you guys can see here.

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There was another building on the site that was recently demolished by the city because it had some issues.

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And then this is the tree in question, which you can see is not growing anything, right?

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the board?

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No, Mr. Chairman.

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No, Mr. Chairman.

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Yes.

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questions or comments from the virtual audience

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i see no hands at this time sir all right planning commission thank you mr chairman and

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good afternoon david effecto city planning commission mr chairman and members of the

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board the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the heavy industrial zoning in this location

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representatives of the parkway and camp and occupants are advocated strenuously for this

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type of development. Accordingly, the mayor's commitment to this project was critical to that

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agreement that resulted in the disbanding of the parkway encampment. This proposal will provide

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housing, food, and services for at-risk individuals. It is a pilot strategy that, if successful,

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could be replicated elsewhere. The proposed development will not impact the use of adjacent

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properties. The requested variance for parking is reasonable because of the population to be served

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and because of the supply of off street parking nearby and the special exception for the removal

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of the heritage tree will have no more of an impact than the removal of the heritage tree

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would be expected to have so the city planning commission recommends that the board grant the

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variances and the special exception thank you very much um hillary the uh the provisos they

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talk to the neighbors about are they enforceable for us so not not the security cameras um

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we i i didn't i honestly didn't get a request so i think what she said was

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their provisos with the neighbors were only women cameras and this is only temporary housing

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and and if i could uh just follow up it uh we had discussed those with the rco we're we're

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we're not i guess they're not even really provisos because those were part of the

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intention of the program that's right uh so they didn't specifically ask for those but

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Everything that we mentioned is what actually the program is going to be about.

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Okay. All right. So, so, so, all right. Okay. Fine.

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MI 2022 003 850 7801 State Road.

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I vote yes.

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Carol Tenere. I very happily vote yes.

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Thomas Holloman. My vote is yes.

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James Snell. My vote is yes.

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Yes.

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congratulations everybody thank you sir thank you mr chairman that concludes my business this

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afternoon all right thank you and i'd be excused thank you thank you thank you um we have two

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together next. MI 2022, 003, 541, 1003 North Forty Street, and MI 2022, 003, 542, 1005 North

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Forty Street. Henry Clinton is the attorney. Letter of support from East Parkside Residence

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Association, the RCO? Mr. Chair, this is Hillary. Mr. Clinton is out of the country, so he asked

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if we could promote Rustin Ohler to show the slides for him, because he's not sure about

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his internet access, but he's able to give the presentation. All right, that's great.

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okay also mr chair i have a hand raised from someone's with the number ending in three seven

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eight zero that's probably let's see if that's okay i'll allow them to speak real quick

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okay i'll allow them to speak real quick

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sir madam yourself

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mr chairman this is henry clinton hi henry how are you i hear you're out of the country

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yes i am so so i appreciate the conversation on letting mr over uh walk through the presentation

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but I'm prepared to present our project.

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Okay, so just for the record, state your name,

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spell for the court reporter, and elsewhere are you in?

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Sure, Henry Clinton, H-E-N-R-Y, Clinton, C-L-I-N-T-O-N.

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You swear for him to tell the truth, the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Could you identify your client and their relationship to the properties?

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Sure, the client is TIDA, T-I-D-A Investments,

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and the principal of which is on the call, Damien, B-A-M-I-E-N, Breen, B as in boy, R-E-E-N.

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All right. And our vice chair has a few questions for you, Mr. Clinton.

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Hi, Mr. Clinton, do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to his accuracy?

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I do.

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Can you email the exhibit packet with proof of ownership, tax compliance, refusal referral,

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photos and or plans of the property five days in advance of this hearing

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and have you met with the rco and do you have a letter yes to all the above and this morning we

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were able to finally get the tax clearance certifications uh that we sent in oh that's

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great yes so you may proceed and i see that your screen is up uh thank you mr i appreciate it and

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