in the previous um hearing as well um other other than that i think someone briefly mentioned up the
the case that he had pending with one of the neighbors um and so those are probably the two
things um outside of the actual parking itself that people were upset about right so um it
wouldn't be incorrect to say that some of the energy around the community meeting had to do with
just a developer this developer being able to build by right um and also some uh outside of
the zoning variance issues that are being addressed separate i'm going to object to relevance because
whether there was other concerns that doesn't take away from the fact that they were adamantly
opposed to these parking lots these curb cuts in these driveways and so we're yes there there are
sometimes community meetings where people have other attitudes or other positions, but how is
that relevant to what you want to focus on, Rachel? As you said, you want to focus on the parking,
so let's focus on the parking. Ms. Jones has testified that there was absolute opposition
to these parking... Steve, you're now testifying. You want to put your objection or you want to
testify? Your objection, Steve. My objection was that it's not relevant. You've already said that
the only thing that we're here to talk about is parking so why are you talking about other things
I was making the point that at the community meeting most of what was talked about or the
energy of most of what was talked about does not relate to the actual parking so that any
sort of vote or any discussion at the community meeting while some of it I'm sure has had to do
with parking that's not was not the fatality of it and I just stated Ms. Pritzker the first hearing
that you weren't at the meeting wait but you missed so you stated that you weren't at the
meeting mr young testified as to the meeting so now you're testifying about something that
happened in the meeting that you weren't even at whereas miss jones was at the meeting um and she
just testified i can't get a word out i'm sorry i'm sorry mr masters i'm sorry chair you can
continue yeah you're you're fine no you're fine tanya that's precisely why chairman i was asking
mary about the meeting because i was not at the meeting so i just had asked her at when because
she was at the meeting. She was allowed to ask what took place at that meeting. I wasn't
testifying as to what happened at the meeting as I was asking Mary. The only other question I have
for Ms. Jones is I guess just a real Ms. Jones you had mentioned that this is a well-trafficked block
so you're aware that if 138 units come on this block that it would be an even more well-trafficked
block and that we are providing nine spaces and taking only three parking spaces off the street
as a result of the curb cut. I just want to make sure for you to clarify your statements that this
is a well-trafficed block and if you believe that adding an additional 138 units... I'm objecting
i'm objecting that i have an objection that this is calling for speculation
that you're calling first. I have an objection that this is calling...
that you're giving a hypothetical about how many units are going to come on and how much
hypothetical we have uh there's been documents submitted to the city that are both in you're
asking her to speculate about a hypothetical and that's asking her to clarify her statement
on if it's a heavily traffic street and due to city records that show that 138 units
is in planned development, if she would agree to her statements that it's a heavily traffic block
and the addition of additional units will add to it being a heavily traffic block.
Could you answer that?
Will the addition? Yes. More people will be a heavier traffic block. I don't like, can I,
Are they going to let me talk? Oh, can you hear me? Sorry. Oh, I couldn't tell if I was allowed.
Yes. I agree only to the first statement, not that adding more parking will help that in any way.
Thank you. Okay. And the last question I have for Ms. Jones is just, is there parking? You had
mentioned there was a well-used um wellness facility and rec center and church do those
uh organizations or buildings have parking um i i can't speak to the the off the top of my head
to the rec center or the church but i do know that the well the um wellness center does have
parking in the back for staff, and I know this from personal experience because I used to work
in that building, are the vast, vast majority of the patients arrived on foot. Can you see my
screen, Ms. Jones? Yes. So is that the rec center at the corner there? Yes. Does it have parking?
um from what you're showing me i don't see a parking lot okay thank you um if we could bring
on unless uh if we have some redirect sure steve um miss jones you were at the testify that you
were at the rco meeting correct yes and how would you characterize the community sentiment about the
parking the proposal to have these three parking spaces at each of the properties
uh their the sentiment was they did not want it because they did not see it as adding anything to
the neighborhood um and also just the concerns about the safety and um of of people who are
needing to access who are walking down 22nd street um needing to access uh the rec center
etc there was you know just based on my my best recollection um they did not think it would add
anything to the neighborhood do you recall if there was anyone who spoke up in favor of the
parking spaces at the meeting um no i don't recall would that be something that you would recall
normally um steve i'm gonna object to that that's the point of a meeting summary it's not mary's job
to count votes right yeah well she's there and she's listening could you answer that mary if not
we'll move um generally yes i do i mean in a situation like that where there was all opposition
i do not recall hearing one person speak in favor of it and i would just questions i would just
object to that given the fact that we don't have any written proof of one way or another even how
many people attended the meeting and how many people voted in any kind of a way what's the
basis of that objection she's a fact witness and she was there and she's testified to what she saw
and heard how is that objectionable she's actually giving you an eyewitness account you have to pause
when you ask a question so another person can respond
i think i think the chairman gets the point uh and the board i i don't need to belabor that
further if mr um canonez who has to leave could be promoted to provide his testimony that would be
appreciated i believe uh he should be available
mr canonez please spell your full name and i'll swear you in
i just have a logan kramer with his hands up is that no that's the owner
mr kenyon is his first name joe joseph
Joseph.
I'm not seeing anybody with their name at this time.
All right, let's move on.
And if he comes back on, we'll go right back to him.
Mr. Masters.
I want to start.
Rachel, other than Mr. Quinones, you rest right now for the time being?
uh yeah i'll reserve the right to rebut with additional witnesses chairman thank you mr masters
sure i'd like to call anita franks
well i don't want to listen
i'm gonna submit my time finally mary you're not on mute just so you know
can you ask your witness again to raise their hand
i'm sorry lakeisha what was that mr master witness um can you ask them against and raise
their hand sure um anita franks could you raise your hand in the zoom room
and she's ready to be sworn in chair can you see yes can you hear me
yes miss frank spell your name and i'll swear you in anita franks a-n-i-t-a capital f-r-a-n-k-s
do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
yes thank you mr masters um miss franks can you tell us where you live i live 1717 north
Crosby Street.
And is that
right behind 22nd Street.
And so
are you behind
do you know where the address
of the property on North 22nd that you
might be behind?
I believe 1714.
be one number off.
But they're right back to back with me.
Sorry.
Are you also the block captain for your block?
Yes, I am.
Have you talked to your neighbors about how they feel about this proposal for parking?
I'm going to object. The witness should be only testifying to herself.
Excuse me.
Objection is sustained.
Steve, you know what she has to do.
She can't speak on behalf of other folks.
I wasn't asking her to speak on behalf of other people.
I asked her if she spoke to other people so that she would have information about where her block was since she's the block captain.
I believe that that's a completely proper inquiry because that's her role.
Ms. Franks, do you have a strong position, a strong opinion about this project for zoning variances for these parking spaces?
yes i do i'm against them and and why is that
uh the 1700 block of north krosky street between cecil b moore and montgomery avenue
get the brunt of not only the people in the block but others from the block i am across
directly across the street from 1710 North Croskey Street which is Bentley Hall
seniors seniors living and we all have I have polls and there are and then the
polls do no good for me at times because there are people who come into
the block and they drive and they have the right under the law to bring their cars and
set them there as long as they have handicapped parking. And we have seniors who have to walk
down the street or block the street so they can get their groceries out and they are complaining
out loud and they come to me with their complaints. And what can we do? And now we have the
problem of 22nd street not my words their words what what is the problem on 22nd street in your
view one we're talking about parking for those buildings come that have come up and this you say
nine parking areas. But what happens with the other people who will be living in there?
They're going to come on 20 seconds. They're going to come on to Kroski Street.
they're going to come on to Cecil B. Moore. We're going to be in competition.
They're going to come on to Cecil B. Moore. We're going to be in competition.
The community people who live there, I've lived there since 1978.
So you're talking about people who have longevity there. You're talking about seniors there.
And we are being moved and misplaced with the parking and other things. I have seen cars coming
down 22nd street and hit the garden across the street at 22nd and cecil b more knock down the
poles i every morning i gum around i have to detour and do a snake drive down 22nd street
in order just to get around the corner from my home
so 22nd street is it's really just one lane of traffic is that correct two lanes of parking
one lane for the buses and one lane for traffic one lane for traffic one lane for the buses if
the bus is not there then you're going to try to get over but right now nobody is really trying to
go get in that lane in the bus lane because they are trying to get around the the the chaos of the
ditches or potholes whatever you want to call them and and in competition with the trucks and
if the trucks the vans and the cars they drive their people drive is any indication as to what
we will have to deal with afterwards, we say no. Ms. Franks, I want you to focus, if you can, on
the safety issues around these driveways and curb cuts and the parking, the cars that would be
coming in and out of these driveways on North 22nd Street. What are your concerns about that?
My first concern after us, the seniors that are there, and the community itself, is also the children.
One day, they had so many trucks out there on both sides of the street, angling into perpendicular to 22nd Street itself.
and I stopped my car because there were four young ladies trying to walk to get to the bus
stop at 22nd and Cecil B. Moore and I stopped and I told them go ahead I stopped my car so they
could go past me and go ahead and walk because it was dangerous for them to even walk out in the
street. Have you, um, participated in any meetings, um, with your neighbors about this
project? We have, some have participated on the telephone. Um, we had meetings, the RCO,
I've been to the RCO meetings. Um, I also have participated in, um, uh, Helen Brown's
community we're doing community things for the community and I participated in that and
inadvertently every time up pops what are we going to do about parking how do we how do we get around
that um how do we get what's going to happen with the dumpsters because we have a dumpster out on
Montgomery Avenue? I have no further questions. And it's just the safety issues.
I just cannot even begin. I've talked to you all about it, but you cannot imagine unless you live
around. Thank you. Ms. Pritzker. Yep. Ms. Franks, you mentioned in your testimony that the biggest
concern in these meetings is parking are you stating that uh with these new buildings going
up that you're concerned about where people are going to park and that the current people who
live there including seniors etc are going to have trouble parking or that the parking is going to
overflow on across q street miss franks you have to unmute yourself please
Franks, you need to unmute yourself.
Also, Rachel, your client is ready for...
Yeah, there was a technical difficulty, so he actually is logged in as Logan...
Yeah, there was a technical difficulty, so he actually is logged in as Logan Kramer, but I just wanted to get Mrs. Franks on record as well.
Thank you.
Can you hear me?
Yes, ma'am.
Yes, you can now.
Thank you.
Mrs. Franks, did you hear my question or would you like me to repeat it?
No, I don't need you to repeat it.
I heard what you said about the parking.
Yes, I did talk about the parking, but I also talked about us having to walk around finding that parking.
Let me give you an example of why safety is so important.
if it were your mother or your father who had to park around the corner and then try to walk back
to their home safely, would you want that for them? I'm happy to answer that. That's where I'm
talking about. I'm talking about safety. I'm talking about safety for children. I'm talking
about safety for adults i'm talking about franks miss franks miss franks miss franks please uh
chairman because joe has to leave is it okay to pause my questions just to get to him and then i
can uh very quickly and it is now 12 36. let's get your client on uh not your client is that your
client it's not it's mr canonez he just wasn't able to log on and he doesn't know how to change
the name so i'm sure he'll put his name and address on the record chairman thank you mr
canone is please spell your full name and i'll swear you in q u i n o n e s or affirm to tell
the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do thank you mr ms pritzker uh joe i know that
you spoke at the last hearing but um i wanted to give you an opportunity um because you own property
on that block and are very familiar with it. I wanted for you to discuss the properties that
you own, the current parking considerations that you have, and also if you could speak to the rec
center on the block and some of the other facilities that were mentioned if you're aware
of them and how parking is or isn't handled for those events. I think, Mr. Chair, because we have
a time issue and i have a number of witnesses and mr quinones has already testified at length
at the last hearing he's a rebuttal witness steve i'm prepared to stipulate that mr quinones believes
that the parking curb cuts that mr kramer wants are are an asset and are proper for the community