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ZBA Hearing - November 10, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 10, 20216h 2m

in the previous um hearing as well um other other than that i think someone briefly mentioned up the

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the case that he had pending with one of the neighbors um and so those are probably the two

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things um outside of the actual parking itself that people were upset about right so um it

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wouldn't be incorrect to say that some of the energy around the community meeting had to do with

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just a developer this developer being able to build by right um and also some uh outside of

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the zoning variance issues that are being addressed separate i'm going to object to relevance because

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whether there was other concerns that doesn't take away from the fact that they were adamantly

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opposed to these parking lots these curb cuts in these driveways and so we're yes there there are

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sometimes community meetings where people have other attitudes or other positions, but how is

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that relevant to what you want to focus on, Rachel? As you said, you want to focus on the parking,

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so let's focus on the parking. Ms. Jones has testified that there was absolute opposition

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to these parking... Steve, you're now testifying. You want to put your objection or you want to

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testify? Your objection, Steve. My objection was that it's not relevant. You've already said that

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the only thing that we're here to talk about is parking so why are you talking about other things

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I was making the point that at the community meeting most of what was talked about or the

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energy of most of what was talked about does not relate to the actual parking so that any

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sort of vote or any discussion at the community meeting while some of it I'm sure has had to do

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with parking that's not was not the fatality of it and I just stated Ms. Pritzker the first hearing

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that you weren't at the meeting wait but you missed so you stated that you weren't at the

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meeting mr young testified as to the meeting so now you're testifying about something that

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happened in the meeting that you weren't even at whereas miss jones was at the meeting um and she

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just testified i can't get a word out i'm sorry i'm sorry mr masters i'm sorry chair you can

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continue yeah you're you're fine no you're fine tanya that's precisely why chairman i was asking

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mary about the meeting because i was not at the meeting so i just had asked her at when because

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she was at the meeting. She was allowed to ask what took place at that meeting. I wasn't

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testifying as to what happened at the meeting as I was asking Mary. The only other question I have

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for Ms. Jones is I guess just a real Ms. Jones you had mentioned that this is a well-trafficked block

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so you're aware that if 138 units come on this block that it would be an even more well-trafficked

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block and that we are providing nine spaces and taking only three parking spaces off the street

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as a result of the curb cut. I just want to make sure for you to clarify your statements that this

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is a well-trafficed block and if you believe that adding an additional 138 units... I'm objecting

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i'm objecting that i have an objection that this is calling for speculation

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that you're calling first. I have an objection that this is calling...

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that you're giving a hypothetical about how many units are going to come on and how much

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hypothetical we have uh there's been documents submitted to the city that are both in you're

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asking her to speculate about a hypothetical and that's asking her to clarify her statement

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on if it's a heavily traffic street and due to city records that show that 138 units

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is in planned development, if she would agree to her statements that it's a heavily traffic block

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and the addition of additional units will add to it being a heavily traffic block.

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Could you answer that?

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Will the addition? Yes. More people will be a heavier traffic block. I don't like, can I,

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Are they going to let me talk? Oh, can you hear me? Sorry. Oh, I couldn't tell if I was allowed.

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Yes. I agree only to the first statement, not that adding more parking will help that in any way.

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Thank you. Okay. And the last question I have for Ms. Jones is just, is there parking? You had

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mentioned there was a well-used um wellness facility and rec center and church do those

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uh organizations or buildings have parking um i i can't speak to the the off the top of my head

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to the rec center or the church but i do know that the well the um wellness center does have

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parking in the back for staff, and I know this from personal experience because I used to work

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in that building, are the vast, vast majority of the patients arrived on foot. Can you see my

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screen, Ms. Jones? Yes. So is that the rec center at the corner there? Yes. Does it have parking?

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um from what you're showing me i don't see a parking lot okay thank you um if we could bring

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on unless uh if we have some redirect sure steve um miss jones you were at the testify that you

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were at the rco meeting correct yes and how would you characterize the community sentiment about the

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parking the proposal to have these three parking spaces at each of the properties

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uh their the sentiment was they did not want it because they did not see it as adding anything to

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the neighborhood um and also just the concerns about the safety and um of of people who are

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needing to access who are walking down 22nd street um needing to access uh the rec center

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etc there was you know just based on my my best recollection um they did not think it would add

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anything to the neighborhood do you recall if there was anyone who spoke up in favor of the

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parking spaces at the meeting um no i don't recall would that be something that you would recall

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normally um steve i'm gonna object to that that's the point of a meeting summary it's not mary's job

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to count votes right yeah well she's there and she's listening could you answer that mary if not

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we'll move um generally yes i do i mean in a situation like that where there was all opposition

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i do not recall hearing one person speak in favor of it and i would just questions i would just

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object to that given the fact that we don't have any written proof of one way or another even how

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many people attended the meeting and how many people voted in any kind of a way what's the

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basis of that objection she's a fact witness and she was there and she's testified to what she saw

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and heard how is that objectionable she's actually giving you an eyewitness account you have to pause

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when you ask a question so another person can respond

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i think i think the chairman gets the point uh and the board i i don't need to belabor that

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further if mr um canonez who has to leave could be promoted to provide his testimony that would be

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appreciated i believe uh he should be available

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mr canonez please spell your full name and i'll swear you in

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i just have a logan kramer with his hands up is that no that's the owner

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mr kenyon is his first name joe joseph

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Joseph.

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I'm not seeing anybody with their name at this time.

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All right, let's move on.

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And if he comes back on, we'll go right back to him.

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Mr. Masters.

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I want to start.

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Rachel, other than Mr. Quinones, you rest right now for the time being?

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uh yeah i'll reserve the right to rebut with additional witnesses chairman thank you mr masters

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sure i'd like to call anita franks

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well i don't want to listen

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i'm gonna submit my time finally mary you're not on mute just so you know

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can you ask your witness again to raise their hand

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i'm sorry lakeisha what was that mr master witness um can you ask them against and raise

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their hand sure um anita franks could you raise your hand in the zoom room

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and she's ready to be sworn in chair can you see yes can you hear me

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yes miss frank spell your name and i'll swear you in anita franks a-n-i-t-a capital f-r-a-n-k-s

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do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth

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yes thank you mr masters um miss franks can you tell us where you live i live 1717 north

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Crosby Street.

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And is that

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right behind 22nd Street.

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And so

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are you behind

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do you know where the address

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of the property on North 22nd that you

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might be behind?

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I believe 1714.

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I may

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be one number off.

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But they're right back to back with me.

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Sorry.

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Are you also the block captain for your block?

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Yes, I am.

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Have you talked to your neighbors about how they feel about this proposal for parking?

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I'm going to object. The witness should be only testifying to herself.

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Excuse me.

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Objection is sustained.

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Steve, you know what she has to do.

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She can't speak on behalf of other folks.

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I wasn't asking her to speak on behalf of other people.

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I asked her if she spoke to other people so that she would have information about where her block was since she's the block captain.

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I believe that that's a completely proper inquiry because that's her role.

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Ms. Franks, do you have a strong position, a strong opinion about this project for zoning variances for these parking spaces?

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yes i do i'm against them and and why is that

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uh the 1700 block of north krosky street between cecil b moore and montgomery avenue

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get the brunt of not only the people in the block but others from the block i am across

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directly across the street from 1710 North Croskey Street which is Bentley Hall

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seniors seniors living and we all have I have polls and there are and then the

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polls do no good for me at times because there are people who come into

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the block and they drive and they have the right under the law to bring their cars and

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set them there as long as they have handicapped parking. And we have seniors who have to walk

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down the street or block the street so they can get their groceries out and they are complaining

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out loud and they come to me with their complaints. And what can we do? And now we have the

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problem of 22nd street not my words their words what what is the problem on 22nd street in your

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view one we're talking about parking for those buildings come that have come up and this you say

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nine parking areas. But what happens with the other people who will be living in there?

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They're going to come on 20 seconds. They're going to come on to Kroski Street.

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they're going to come on to Cecil B. Moore. We're going to be in competition.

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They're going to come on to Cecil B. Moore. We're going to be in competition.

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The community people who live there, I've lived there since 1978.

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So you're talking about people who have longevity there. You're talking about seniors there.

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And we are being moved and misplaced with the parking and other things. I have seen cars coming

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down 22nd street and hit the garden across the street at 22nd and cecil b more knock down the

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poles i every morning i gum around i have to detour and do a snake drive down 22nd street

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in order just to get around the corner from my home

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so 22nd street is it's really just one lane of traffic is that correct two lanes of parking

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one lane for the buses and one lane for traffic one lane for traffic one lane for the buses if

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the bus is not there then you're going to try to get over but right now nobody is really trying to

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go get in that lane in the bus lane because they are trying to get around the the the chaos of the

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ditches or potholes whatever you want to call them and and in competition with the trucks and

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if the trucks the vans and the cars they drive their people drive is any indication as to what

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we will have to deal with afterwards, we say no. Ms. Franks, I want you to focus, if you can, on

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the safety issues around these driveways and curb cuts and the parking, the cars that would be

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coming in and out of these driveways on North 22nd Street. What are your concerns about that?

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My first concern after us, the seniors that are there, and the community itself, is also the children.

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One day, they had so many trucks out there on both sides of the street, angling into perpendicular to 22nd Street itself.

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and I stopped my car because there were four young ladies trying to walk to get to the bus

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stop at 22nd and Cecil B. Moore and I stopped and I told them go ahead I stopped my car so they

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could go past me and go ahead and walk because it was dangerous for them to even walk out in the

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street. Have you, um, participated in any meetings, um, with your neighbors about this

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project? We have, some have participated on the telephone. Um, we had meetings, the RCO,

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I've been to the RCO meetings. Um, I also have participated in, um, uh, Helen Brown's

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community we're doing community things for the community and I participated in that and

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inadvertently every time up pops what are we going to do about parking how do we how do we get around

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that um how do we get what's going to happen with the dumpsters because we have a dumpster out on

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Montgomery Avenue? I have no further questions. And it's just the safety issues.

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I just cannot even begin. I've talked to you all about it, but you cannot imagine unless you live

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around. Thank you. Ms. Pritzker. Yep. Ms. Franks, you mentioned in your testimony that the biggest

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concern in these meetings is parking are you stating that uh with these new buildings going

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up that you're concerned about where people are going to park and that the current people who

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live there including seniors etc are going to have trouble parking or that the parking is going to

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overflow on across q street miss franks you have to unmute yourself please

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Franks, you need to unmute yourself.

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Also, Rachel, your client is ready for...

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Yeah, there was a technical difficulty, so he actually is logged in as Logan...

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Yeah, there was a technical difficulty, so he actually is logged in as Logan Kramer, but I just wanted to get Mrs. Franks on record as well.

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Thank you.

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Can you hear me?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Yes, you can now.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Mrs. Franks, did you hear my question or would you like me to repeat it?

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No, I don't need you to repeat it.

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I heard what you said about the parking.

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Yes, I did talk about the parking, but I also talked about us having to walk around finding that parking.

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Let me give you an example of why safety is so important.

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if it were your mother or your father who had to park around the corner and then try to walk back

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to their home safely, would you want that for them? I'm happy to answer that. That's where I'm

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talking about. I'm talking about safety. I'm talking about safety for children. I'm talking

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about safety for adults i'm talking about franks miss franks miss franks miss franks please uh

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chairman because joe has to leave is it okay to pause my questions just to get to him and then i

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can uh very quickly and it is now 12 36. let's get your client on uh not your client is that your

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client it's not it's mr canonez he just wasn't able to log on and he doesn't know how to change

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the name so i'm sure he'll put his name and address on the record chairman thank you mr

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canone is please spell your full name and i'll swear you in q u i n o n e s or affirm to tell

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the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth i do thank you mr ms pritzker uh joe i know that

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you spoke at the last hearing but um i wanted to give you an opportunity um because you own property

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on that block and are very familiar with it. I wanted for you to discuss the properties that

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you own, the current parking considerations that you have, and also if you could speak to the rec

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center on the block and some of the other facilities that were mentioned if you're aware

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of them and how parking is or isn't handled for those events. I think, Mr. Chair, because we have

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a time issue and i have a number of witnesses and mr quinones has already testified at length

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at the last hearing he's a rebuttal witness steve i'm prepared to stipulate that mr quinones believes

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that the parking curb cuts that mr kramer wants are are an asset and are proper for the community

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