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ZBA Hearing - October 13, 2021

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Oct 13, 20217h 13m

to put parking anywhere there. Trust me, we investigated it. We were hopeful that there

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might be um that would certainly make you know be a boon for our project however unfortunately

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there's just there's no ability um to get a curb cut on south broad or frankly on carlisle excuse

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me council there's a building there's a building on that block that has a parking on the first

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floor it has a curb cut on carlisle street was you aware of that i yes and because of our

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existing building I can actually go to so again here's board member Holloman I'll get right to

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it I think I have the next photo is what you're what you're talking about there is that's the

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building that I was talking about chairwoman that's 45 feet our buildings right here it

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actually goes up to about the height of where this sign is and then their building goes up much higher

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So this is the rear of our building, this and this two-story addition, which is existing.

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One of the concessions that we're doing is this, there's going to be some openings for some windows to activate this area back here for the residential units.

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We originally had commercial space going all the way back to Carlisle Street, and that was not desired by the community.

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So we pulled back and now we have residential units in the rear, and we've made the commercial space only from basically the front half of the first floor on South Broad.

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and one of the other things we're doing to try to diminish the the height and massing of this

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building is we are lowering this um two-story addition down to a single story that will be the

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the bike storage and whatnot for the required bike storage and whatnot for the property and

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the residential units but this will be significantly lower cut in half basically um

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and then this uh board member holloman is this what you're talking about this is a parking area

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are right behind our building immediately behind i'm not sure if i'm answering what you're referring

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to no it's on the opposite side of the street that's carlala street it's on the opposite side

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okay um i i don't have a photo of that directly but what i can do is i can have

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I'm going to call Ms. Agata-Reister in just a minute as the architect, and she can address why it's not possible for us to get parking on our site.

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Obviously, we have a narrow opening back here, and it would require going in and out, and we simply, what she will testify to better than I can, we don't have the building width to have any kind of turnaround in the rear.

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So I've already addressed the letter.

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Here's the overall zoning plan.

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I raised this simply as, you know, not getting into the details, which Ms. Reister can get into.

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But if you look at it, what we've done here is we have the full frontage along South Broad Street.

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This is our frontage along Carlisle that I just showed you.

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This is a full two-story addition that's been existing.

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this portion of the building is being lowered to just a single story and we've actually

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included in our revised plans the removal of a first of a one-story building that was

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of a first of a one-story building that was here in this area so now this will be a fully open

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here in this area so now this will

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courtyard to try to add light and air to 1216 broad street and i should note that i'm not sure

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if they were able to make it onto the call today but both 1216 broad street our immediate neighbor

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to the south and 1210 broad street our immediate neighbor to the north are both in favor of the

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project. So like I said, we had we had two meetings and I think the neighborhood

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height request in the beginning that has been lowered to 50 feet. We have overall reduced 11

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percent of the lot coverage. Again, this you're taking away this large area to try to increase

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open area and add more light and air to the neighboring properties we've removed all of the

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side parapet walls in order to further reduce the overall massing visible to the property adjacent

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property owners we pulled the commercial we originally had commercial going all the way back

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to carlisle the neighborhood did not want that so we pulled the commercial just up to the front

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portion of the building off of south broad

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and like i said uh back here on the fourth floor we pulled the fourth floor back uh 14 feet

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so that it will not be visible at all from uh carlisle street and

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um the uh the third floor now at carlisle street will be uh less than 38 feet so that would be

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you know, within the overall height requirements to begin with. And then finally, before I call

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Ms. Reister, I would just say again that the height is contextual. We have 45 feet in height

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to our north. We have 40 feet in height to our south. And more specifically,

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you know, I know this board is concerned of how are we meeting the variance requirements.

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this is a very large existing building and you know demolition would be exorbitantly expensive

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and difficult and very difficult on the neighboring properties so we've done everything

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we can to try to pull back open up some air and space for the neighboring properties while at the

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same time you know meeting the height requirements for this for any addition to this property to

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use it in line with the zoning code as we're doing since we only have the one refusal

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would require demolition of the property just given the the age extent and structural nature

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of the property which Ms. Reister will go into more. So we believe we you know we've met the

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hardship which is a lesson standard because we have an existing building so that we don't need

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to demolish the building. This is a dimensional variance only. Excuse me, this is Sharon. Can we

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pause for just a moment? Ms. Tenere has been, she has lost her connection. She's trying to sign back on.

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Of course. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, Ms. Tennery still hasn't been able to get back on.

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We do have a quorum without her, so if you'd like to proceed, you can.

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Certainly.

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To whom should I address as the kind of acting chair then?

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To whom should I address as the kind of acting chair then?

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Mr. Plaza, would that be okay with you?

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Thank you.

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Please proceed.

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Thank you, Chairman Plaza.

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So I'm not sure.

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I'm happy to repeat anything that you may have missed in the hubbub,

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or I can just proceed.

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I'm just about to go.

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I've been listening.

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I'm okay.

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Thank you.

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So just to wrap up,

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we believe that we've you know that there is no detriment to the public both immediately

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adjacent neighbors are in support of the project all of our uses are by right the the height is

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a minimal request based on the existing structural condition and nature of the existing two-story

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building at 27 feet and again variance test is met again because we have no use refusals this

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is a dimensional refusal only and we believe that this is a um a necessary and limited request

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again we've we've already reduced the height from proposed from 55 feet down to 50 feet

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that was essentially uh all the added height we could get out of the building given the existing

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structural nature of the uh of the building so with that unless the board has any questions

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i'm happy yes excuse me counselor do you have a an elevation of the front a picture of the front

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of broad street uh yes i do sorry i thought i showed that tanya i'm back on okay now the

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building i was referring to is between warden street where the council person vernon had her

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office to your building there's a building in between there that has uh parking on the first

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floor so further down uh here board member correct okay um i would uh believe that um

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i'm not aware of that property but i'll i'll leave that to uh miss reister who i'm about

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to call next and ask her to address that for you thank you is that acceptable yes okay thank you

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so again unless the board has any questions for me i will call miss agata reister who should be on

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the call mr has been allowed to speak thank you miss reister can you put your name on the record

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and spell your last name and I'll swear you in. Yes, Agatha Reister with Landmark Architectural

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Design. A-G-A-T-A-R-E-I-S-T-E-R. Thank you. Do you swear if I'm to tell the whole truth and I'll

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think about the truth? Yes, I do. You may proceed, Mr. Wayland. Thank you very much, Chair Warren.

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Ms. Reister, how are you associated with this project? I am part of the architectural team

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working on this project. Okay. And before we get into your further testimony, have you heard all

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the testimony that I already presented? Yes, I have. And do you believe it to be true and correct

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to the best of your knowledge? I do. And would you adopt it as your own? I would. Thank you. And

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first, so that I don't forget it, can you please address the building along Carlisle, just a little

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to the south of us on our same block that board member hollow man has stated has first floor

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parking off of carlisle street could you address that building to the extent that you know it and

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what our ability to have parking or not have parking would be given our current existing

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building um well our current existing building right now as it stands um as you can see it

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It narrows significantly towards the rear.

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There are large support walls that you can see on both sides.

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A small one-story addition is actually an add-on that I would assume is probably maybe 50 years old at the very most.

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We're looking to lower one floor of it.

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But as you can see right now at its narrowest point, it can barely provide room for two cars.

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and they would have to back out of the garage right onto Carlisle.

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As we mentioned before, to the community group

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and also when the neighbors voiced their concerns,

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they did not want to have much of traffic coming through.

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We proposed the trash pickup on Broad Street

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to alleviate as much of the traffic generated by this building as possible.

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So it's right currently a problem because the trash is being picked up on Carlisle Street.

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um it's right currently a problem because the trash is being picked up on carlisle street um

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but um just given the nature of the existing building providing parking

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it was it would be very difficult um and highly really undesirable

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all right thank you very much um and do you know i i guess uh board member holloman i'm i'm happy

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to pull up kind of a google map street view if you want to go into it further unless you

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believe that uh miss reister has already addressed your concern how how much square footage is

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on the first floor uh first floor is the total of the building is approximately um about

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7,600 square feet that's gross square foot number and you couldn't get some

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parking in that would turn around and still have commercial in the front as

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far as a turnaround parking that they would be able to drive out we would not

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be able to with the constraints of the existing building the square footage it

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seems like it's very generous but all of the parking that we'll be able to

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provide in this existing building is one that would back out back on to Carlisle

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There's nothing that would be able to basically go in and turn around on the site and come out the same way.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Any other questions?

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this uh miss reister if i may um i uh made reference and obviously this is more your

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purview than mine of course um to the structural conditions and existing condition of the building

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as uh basically the basis for our hardship and requiring the additional height could you please

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elaborate upon that um certainly so currently our building is about 27 and a half um foot tall

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Primarily, most of the height is on the second floor. This building was structured very heavily

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because of the use that was proposed years ago as a culinary institute right now.

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For us to try to restructure the building, it would be extremely difficult trying to lower all

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of the floors. Also, the nature of the first floor, though it looks very tall, there's actually

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a heavy concrete slab that ramps up so the first floor itself is actually i would say roughly nine

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feet in height only because of the the existing vault beneath the first floor and it opens up

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slightly bit more towards the back of the building the second floor is existing 11 foot eight the

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proposed ceiling heights that we had mentioned were about nine foot in height which is very

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reasonable for a building of this caliber but we also kept a little bit of area because of the

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large spans that would be necessary to accommodate for the structure so we are truly unable to lower

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it and still keep it as a four-story and still stay within basically a comfort zone that will

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be able to structure the building and meet the building code for the minimum ceiling height

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requirement for any of the protrusions for the drop steel beams that there would be necessary

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okay um but miss reister is it in your expert opinion that you would require if we did demolish

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the entire building you would be able to meet the height requirements of the uh zoning district so

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it's really the existing building and the artist need not to demolish the building that requires

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the extra height yes that that is correct okay thank you very much um uh mr reister is there

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anything else that you believe pertinent to the board's review today um i don't believe so okay

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thank you i would offer miss reister up for questioning by the board and obviously mr

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pressman if he has any questions and i would simply um i'm not privy to what mr pressman will

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be asking or presenting on his own. So I would ask that I could just call Ms. Reister back

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on rebuttal if necessary. Does the board have any questions?

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No, Madam Chair. No.

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Okay, Mr. Cressman. Thank you, Madam Chairman. Ms. Reister, the current building, as you

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said is uh is not is not 38 feet it's currently um what's the height of the building now it's about

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27 28 feet and the existing first floor is nine feet four inches is that correct um that is that

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is correct at its pinch point basically uh where the um sub-basement slopes up at the front of the

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sub-basement slopes up at the front of the building. I'm not sure if you had

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building I'm not sure if you had

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been inside the building but there is a portion of it that is with low ceiling height and opens up

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again towards the rear. There's nothing that's stopping the proposed user from building something

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to the height of 38 feet though, is there? If the proposal only contains one floor.

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Well, you could build a second floor or reconfigure the second floor.

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You'd have two floors there.

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Is that correct?

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No, I would not be able to fit two floors within the two-story that is currently presented.

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Okay, and there's nothing that stops you from demolishing this building and building something as a bright.

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Is that correct?

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That is correct.

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and so the the hardship i think as uh um council had uh referenced was the demo was expensive and

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difficult is that how you look at the uh the hardship uh the demo is definitely very extensive

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this property has significant structural members that had been placed to erect this building um

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and very heavy walls so it is it is definitely very intrusive on the neighborhood to demolish

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this building. I think a council said that it was expensive and difficult. Is that the reason why

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the applicant is electing to keep the existing structure?

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I'm not really sure if I can state really to the expense of the demolition, but the difficulty

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certainly. You adopted his testimony, so I was wondering if you had input into that.

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um so you'll agree that there's no unique physical care circumstance at the existing

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building that would prevent the applicant from developing the property in conformance with the

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code i'm sorry could you repeat your question i broke up a little bit i apologize you'll agree

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that there's no unique physical characteristic with the existing land that would prevent the

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applicant from developing the property in conformance with the code is that correct

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um yes it can be developed with the code uh not well without the building would have to be demolished

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and do you agree that to the uh south of the proposed uh project all the uh buildings are

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at 38 feet or below is that correct for the remaining 1200 block to south um the buildings

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are 38 feet, yes. If you're stating buildings facing on Carlisle Street, they are about that

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height. Buildings facing on Broad Street are not. What is the height of the buildings to the south

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