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ZBA Hearing - February 28, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Feb 28, 20247h 19m

Thank you so much.

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Mr. DeMarco, good afternoon.

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Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

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Good afternoon.

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Long day.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Damon.

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Please spell it for the court reporter, please.

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sure richard demarco last name d-e-m-a-r-c-o you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and

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nothing but the truth yes uh can you please identify your client the client is uh an llc

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called stash spot llc uh lawrence robinson is my client he's the sole member uh mr holliman

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has a few questions to ask you sure good afternoon counsel do you agree to waive the reading of the

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refusal and stipulate to its accuracy yes I agree did you email all exhibits

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and documents as required five days in advance to this hearing I did

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5 days in advance to this hearing. I did.

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Thank you. Please proceed and share.

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Okay. Thanks members of the board. I'm here on behalf

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of Stash Spot LLC.

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Here's our exhibit packet and I know that I'll start with the refusal.

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I know Hillary had a comment on the refusal and

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we trust her as far as what she thinks needs to be changed on it.

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um i i think it's it's clear but um i i think i understand what she means she'll she'll certainly

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say what she needs to say about that but whatever she we certainly don't want to have any problems

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with ellen and i later down the road uh but anyway i'm here for a a use which is um we we're thrilled

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to have full support of the neighbors on this um it's a nightclub uh and assembly and entertainment

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use. The actual main use is a special exception case, which as the board knows is a lesser

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standard. It's not necessarily to prove hardship as far as the use. It's going to be a live

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entertainment venue for aspiring musicians. Stash, he goes by Stash, that's his middle name.

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He's a musician himself. He has been working on this project for a few years.

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He had to go to the land bank to get control of the property.

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While there are some dimensional variants involved, there's a height variance.

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It's really necessary due to the live music use.

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There's going to be a stage on the first floor.

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There's going to be a restaurant, a high-end restaurant.

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I'll get into more detail in a moment.

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There's going to be a smoking area, and Mr. Robinson will, of course, obtain all the proper permits for that.

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So the reason why we, you'd probably be surprised that we have full support.

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The reason is that the neighborhood does not have places for people to go and enjoy live music.

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there is really a dearth of opportunities for up-and-coming bands that aren't in North Philly

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that can't afford the big box theaters, and there's very few intimate locations for live music.

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Some of you might remember Warm Daddies. That's not what we are, don't get me wrong,

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But that's an idea to give you an idea of what this will be, a high end location for live music, for people who are trying to be developed their musical bands.

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And that's what this is all about.

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So the height variance is necessary because the first floor, and I'll get to the plans in a moment, the first floor needs high ceilings for the lighting and the sound systems.

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and we have some refusals for outside decks there is going to be a private club element that's going

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to have but when you think about a smoking scenario we're talking about like um like an

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ashton's like a cigar cigar nights um and of course he'll have all the proper equipment for

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that and um i won't i also want to mention that stash did some research about this this area of

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the city was actually, uh, I'm going to segue really quick to a, uh, a blog, this area of the

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city. And if you look, this is Ridge Avenue here. I'm indicating with my cursor and these orange

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dots were, uh, were clubs, music clubs. Most of them are gone. This is our block right here.

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So he's actually located on a, a strip that used to have was called the golden strip. It used to

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have live music entertainment locations. Most of them are no longer operating. So he's filling a

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need. And believe it or not, the neighbors were thrilled to hear that someone was doing something

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like this. So let me show you the plans because I'm sure you're going to see that. Oh, I'll show

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you some photos real quick. This is the posting. This is the building. There's going to be additions

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to it. It's empty, it's vacant, needs some attention. There's a lot of auto-related

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uses on this particular block. There are homes, but they're pretty removed. This is the building

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here, and you can see there are some homes down here and back here, but they're pretty far from

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location it's mostly vacant lots that it's adjacent to this is his um moniker if you will

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the stash spot is what it's going to be called these are some conceptual ideas as to um

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how the interior will look the sound stage um they'll also be and this is what he had in

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the sound stage um they'll also be and this is what he had in mind for the uh outdoor spaces

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they're going to be some nice lighting high end he's not going to have people out there late um

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here are some of the menu suggestions going to be like a kind of a soul food cajun style menu

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again these are some of the conceptual photos he's going to have some fried oysters

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um like i said like an etouffee occasion theme all right here's the plan um

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this is the uh first floor here

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this is the second floor there's a stage here uh there's an open bar and this is the third

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story here there's the outdoor deck at the third story level and there's an open patio at the

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second story level this will be more clear on the rendering which i'll show you in a minute

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these are the elevations and let me show you the rendering so it gives you a real better idea of

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of how high end he's proposing this to be and i'll get to the details of the security and the

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parking in a minute so this is the renderings by the architect and here's the open spaces here you

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see it on here this is the third floor deck and the second floor deck these are variance items

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the cmx2 zoning district requires variances for outdoor decks and as you can see there's

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a lot of open space nearby so there's a real buffer from the neighbors let me get to um

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this is the executive summary it's in our um packet mr uh robinson uh has a full business

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plan for this so he is a businessman and i'll have him speak in a moment he operates a bus

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bus company he has access to buses there is a nearby um city owned free lot about three or

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blocks away. So there is on-street parking available, but Mr. Robson's going to have

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shuttle buses to and from the parking area, the city lot, and he has already, and I prepared a

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letter for him, he has interfaced with the parking authority for use of that lot. He's been told that

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it's available for use, and he's going to have that for overflow parking as necessary.

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Uh, let me show you the, so what we did was when we met with the RCO, we have full, actually almost unanimous support. The vote was 16 to 1 in support. Um, Mr. Harris from the RCO who we worked with, uh, wanted some, um, some commitments made, which we did. Um, they're not part of his letter, but, um, the intent, I wanted you to see it because it'll show why I think you'll, you'll see why we have the support we have.

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This will be a 30 and over business.

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He does not want the younger crowd, the younger set that can sometimes cause problems.

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He wants to be an older crowd.

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He's going to enforce a 30-year and over requirement.

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As you can see, the provisor letter talks about the parking, overflow parking lot that he has available for use.

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um we have a we'll have commercial trash hauling um we're going to allow the rco uh to use space

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at reasonable times on non-busy busy nights he's going to make the the some of the spaces available

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for the to the neighborhood group for meetings um he's got a veterans group that is um going to

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use the space for some informational meetings and such. He's going to have licensed security

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to prevent crowds control. And let's see, I think that's the main, here's the RCO letter.

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I don't know if Mr. Harris was able to hang on at this late juncture, but I've never seen such a

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a glowing uh support letter for a nightclub use um he he really spoke very fondly of the application

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because a lot of the neighbors um were happy to hear about it um and you can see uh he mentions the

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um the ridge avenue corridor that used to be a um an actual live music destination area and has not

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lasted and this is hopefully going to attempt to reinvigorate that um so let me do this uh let me

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have stash um raise his hand virtually i do want to pose just a couple quick questions to him so

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you can meet him and see um that he's uh excited about it and going to really stick to his

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that he's excited about it and going to really stick to his guns and get this thing done and

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do it right. So let's go ahead and do that. Stash, can you raise your hand virtually?

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And while he's doing that, you can see on your screen the Ridge Avenue Renaissance that the RCO

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is hoping that this use can hopefully invigorate and really move that corridor away from

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uh auto related uses to a more uh you know entertaining entertainment live music destination

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where people can meet each other and i know you've seen some there's not a lot of places for

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people to meet uh in the city and this is hopefully one of those things so uh hopefully stash

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can be unmuted and we'll have him adopt some of these facts and testimonies what is your client's

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dave uh stash robinson um lawrence robinson has been unbuted and allowed to speak okay

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yes how you doing my name is lawrence l-o-r-e-n-c-e stash s-t-a-s-h robinson r-o-b-i-n-s-o-n

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thank you do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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yes please proceed counsel thank you stash did you hear my uh presentation yes i did

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All right. Is the facts and circumstances that I laid out in that presentation, are they true and accurate? And do you adopt them as your formal testimony in this matter?

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I do.

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All right. So just very briefly, explain to the board the process very briefly that you went through to get your control of this property.

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About three years ago, I purchased 29, I mean, 2319 Ridge Avenue.

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That took about, I went to closing on May 6th of 2021.

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Then the property that's connected to it, 2317 Ridge Avenue,

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I had to purchase from the city of Philadelphia, the land bank.

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That took almost another two years.

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And then going through L&I and zoning and things like that.

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And so here we are now, almost three years later.

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And did you work with the councilman's office throughout that land bank process?

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Yes, I originally worked with Daryl Clark's office.

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And before that, I was actually represented by Jeffrey Young Jr., who's now the city council member in that area.

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But once he became the city council member for Daryl Clark, it became a conflict of interest.

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And so I had to get new representation, which is you. So, Rich.

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Right. So why don't you go ahead and just piggyback on what I was talking about.

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Why do you feel this use is needed? And you did some research about this.

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Why don't you just briefly explain to the board why you feel there's a there's a there's a real need for this type of use in the community?

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correct um well for years and years and years um i've always wanted to open a live music

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establishment um being someone that's been on both sides of it the singer but also the business

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outside of it i always felt like there was nowhere for um musicians and singers and poets and

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comedians to ever to go somewhere and just hone their craft and and have fun with it um like like

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Like you said before, the Warm Daddies, the Souths, the place called Time.

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Little places are really nice, but a lot of them don't really cater to the musician.

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It's kind of like more so for hire.

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And I wanted to bring something to the community where I know they would enjoy just meeting some new artists.

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some of the artists that are on the radio now all of my friends associates that I've sung with

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they all play for these different musicians and you know when there's a show in the city

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that the Dell or at the Met they're always looking for somewhere to go somewhere to go so

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you know I wanted to have a place where they're done their shows they can go back and come come

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to my establishment and and sometimes you'll be there just for a dinner and you know you never

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know who's going to come through the door um and that's what I wanted to provide because there's

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nothing really like that in the city for musicians and artists and different singers to to come to

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and and just kind of lay their hair down and have have fun and and I wanted to bring back dancing

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And things for people my age to be able to do because I'm 39, but a lot of things in the city is either too young or honestly too old.

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So I wanted to bring a mixture of the my age group to the older age group.

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I wanted to bring a mixture of my age group to the older age group.

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There's older bands that I've sung with, the UGOs, a lot of friends, the Manhattans, the Affiliant Truders, a lot of these different bands.

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I would love to play on different nights, and I think it will bring something good to the neighborhood.

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And you're going to have maybe some comedy nights sometime.

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So it's late. The board has another whole list to go. So I think what we can do is I believe we've got no opposition here. So I'll go ahead and move my exhibits into evidence. I would just mention to the board, we could probably talk longer about this, but I'm mindful of your schedule.

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So then questions or. Yeah. And just just to sum up, Mr. Chair, it's a special exception to use itself.

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The dimensional variances are asked for in context with special exception.

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And it's really just to bring a really nice product to have those variances will allow it to be to have the high ceilings that is needed and the room to do the uses that he wants.

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Thank you. Any questions from the board?

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No, Mr. Vice Chairman.

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No, Vice Chair.

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Questions from our attorney, Hillary Emerson.

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I just wanted to note, as Mr. DeMarco mentioned at the beginning of his presentation, we do need to obtain a corrected refusal.

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And I will handle that from L&I because the description didn't describe where the additions were or list the specific uses that were being requested.

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There's some mention of them in the list of variances, but there needs to be a description of the scope of work.

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And Ellen and I said, no, we need to take this one back and have it corrected.

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So we'll do that and we'll aim.

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We won't put a date on this, but we should be able to vote this either next week or the following week at the latest.

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That's great. Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah. OK. Yeah. No, I agree.

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The refusal is not the greatest. So, yeah, that could be actually. That's terrific. Thank you very much.

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All right. Any questions from the virtual audience?

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Vice Chair, we have Habsah Ayeda. They have been unmuted and allowed to speak.

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Good afternoon, ma'am. Can you please state your name and spell it for the record?

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Good afternoon.

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Habsah, please unmute yourself.

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vice chair it seems they're having technical difficulties

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is any other hands up we have stephen michael kufffeld they have been unmuted and allowed to

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speak good afternoon good afternoon um can you state your name and spell it for the record

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Sure.

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Stephen, S-T-E-P-H-E-N, C-U-F-F, like Frank, E-L-D as in David.

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Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, but nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed.

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Very briefly, as a member of the working music community, a full-time touring musician and touring manager,

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I am in full support of this effort.

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this is an establishment that is definitely needed in the community especially in the location that

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is being proposed and i just want to be on record to say that this is something that

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should definitely be voted to move forward thank you for your time thank you any other hands in

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the virtual audience i see all details at this time advice chair planning commission thank you

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vice chair and good after or good evening david fechta with the city planning commission vice

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chair and board members the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the commercial mixed use

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zoning at this location the proposed variances for rear yard and occupied area are existing

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conditions on the property and are therefore supportable because of these conditions requiring

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parking as a condition to reuse the building would be unreasonable the appellant proposes

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assembly and entertainment in an existing commercial building assembly and entertainment

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is allowed with a special exception.

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The appellant has shown that the proposed assembly and entertainment

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