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ZBA Hearing - September 17, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Sep 17, 20256h 43m

i told told miss cummings and obviously we have no issue for co because that's a requirement as

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you saw from the last presentation i did on 13th street so what's the hit there's something about

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that building you remember and i can't remember what it is what was the history of it i don't

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know um i think it was a doctor's office that's the only thing i i saw of public record it's a

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beautiful building very unique um and we're looking forward to like you know revitalizing it

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not out of character and by the way we're an r1 property too so multi-family it's not out of

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character and then you know just the two refusals the one for parking we're not going to knock down

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a stone uh fence we even if we wanted to the historic commission wouldn't let us so that's

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one refusal gone and we we wouldn't we don't want to knock down we it doesn't make sense because

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the two parking spots would be a zero sum for the neighborhood. We take two parking spots off of the

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street and put it just for our own benefit. It makes no sense. Then in terms of the unit count,

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not out of character to have properties, have six units. 1828 Diamond Street, six units. 1827 Diamond

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Street, six units. 1829 Diamond Street, six units. Aerial view, you can see here we are, 19th and

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diamond zoning map you know again i don't think we question where we are in terms of density in

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terms of r1 rm1 zoning here we are in the neighborhood as well uh photographs of the

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property just very unique uh you know we're obviously going to have to put all new windows in

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uh you know deal with the facade and cleaning it up uh you can see here that they've noticed uh

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posters uh you know there's a discussion here about whether we're going to preserve this

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lettering of course we are i mean obviously because you know but it just has a great look to

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it uh diamond street to the right diamond street to the left north 19th street to the right north

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19th street to the left interior photos so my client bought it hasn't touched it you know wants

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to you know you know obviously hopefully get their approval and then start doing work but here's

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existing interior photos and then our plans and drawing. So first things first,

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you can see there's independent steps for the lower level and it will have a

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trash room down here somewhere else. But none of the units can, the first four

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units, there's no buy levels. So let me just make sure I get my notes here. So

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So you basically look at this, you know, you make it go into the common area, a common entryway, you make a left, that's unit 1B, that's a two bedroom, one bath.

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So here's a living room, kitchen, two bedrooms, you know, washer and dryer.

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You make a right, you have a two bedroom, one bath as well.

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You have a living room, kitchen, bedroom, bedroom, bathroom.

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and you go to the second floor up here

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and you go to the second floor, up here, let's see, you have, trying to see here, you have 2B,

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which is a one-bedroom, one-bath, so here's the open floor plan, and then a bedroom,

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and then you go to the right which is uh two a which is a two bedroom one bath so living room

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two bedrooms and a bath and then you go to the third floor and you have to the left you have a

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two bedroom one bath you have a you have a living room in the kitchen two bedrooms and then a bath

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right there and then a very unique part of the house or the property is you go to the right

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and that's actually a four bedroom two bath and existing right uh well we'll we'll ask you when

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you get sworn in but you have a oops let me just do this trying to get to the uh worth one where is

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So, you have a living room, two bedrooms on this level, and a bath, and then you go to the interior by-level, and you have two more bedrooms, and actually a family room, and another bath.

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So, we met with Strawberry Mansion Community Concern September 11th, and then here's our proof of mailing for the community meeting.

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our application for appeal notice of refusal project information form deed to the property

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showing that we own the property 1835 w diamond llc and then finally which we added just this

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afternoon we're part of a payment plan so we do owe some taxes but we're part of a payment plan

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with that being said i would ask that mr payden uh be sworn in mr michael

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yes hi sir could you please state your name is spelled for the stenographer nicholas payden

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n-i-c-h-o-l-a-s-p-a-d-e-n right do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing

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but the truth yes i do please proceed counsel oh yeah nick you heard everything i had to state

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today about your zoning matter yes is it true and correct yes and do you adopt this your own

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testimony thank you questions from the board just oh no i just had a question about what's going on

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with the back the rear yard it's open to i think the rear units on the first floor it's not a

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common entry okay yeah and and no trash is be restored just for that unit this trash will be

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stored in the low in in the basement it has everyone has access to it okay thank you that

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was brought up by miss cummings and we stated i stated to her i would state to you that's where

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restore the trash yeah but biggest concern i have is for the two bedrooms that are on the right the

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second floor and third floor if you go back to the plans there's barely living space dining area for

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those two bedroom units um so i'm concerned about i understand that you're reasoning for six bedrooms

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six units but my concern is really livability of those those particular units because the

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The two rooms that are sort of on the left

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are decent, have decent-sized living rooms,

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dining area, you know,

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for folks that would be living there,

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but the ones that are on the right

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are just very tight.

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They probably work better as one-bedroom units.

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Yeah, let me try to get to it.

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I'm having some technical difficulties here.

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So.

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So notwithstanding the fact that,

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You know, it's commendable that the developer wants to keep the building and its historic character.

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I think that's that's great. So those the units, if you look at the one that's on the right.

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With the tarot, there's very little with all the with all of the doors going into that space.

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it's kind of difficult for a family of two to to kind of live there as opposed to the the unit

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that's on the right on the left rather um a fairly decent sized living area

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same thing with the unit above yeah the only thing i would say is yes it's it's a more micro

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type of unit um but you know what we would see is that probably it would be a person who would

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live you know have it would be one person and and it's you know would have a secondary

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room as an office um but you can guarantee that though no you can't guarantee it but

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No, you can't guarantee it, but the consumer chooses, right, ultimately?

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but you know the the consumer chooses right

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Well, the developer chooses, Alan.

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Well, the consumer chooses what to buy and what not to buy.

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Yeah, but you're calling it a bedroom.

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If the intent is for it to be a den, then call it a den, but it's a bedroom.

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My concern is that the overall sort of living space is inadequate, in my opinion.

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i i can tell you that some people want to take care of things like a lot of space and some people

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don't so i think well one of the things and there's always been a criticism right is that

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when you don't show furniture and you don't show furnishings right it's kind of difficult for you

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to or us to to really determine well not me necessarily but a lot of folks to determine

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how that space really works. If you look at the size of the living

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dining room for this one bedroom that's on the left

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is completely different than the size that you have for this two bed room

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on the right.

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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.

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Right. You see this unit and then you see this unit.

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You see the living room. You see this living room.

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comparable to one is a two-bedroom

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and one is a one-bedroom, right?

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That's my concern.

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So my concern is that not necessarily the six units.

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My concern is maybe the layout.

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So that's sort of my biggest issue.

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So, Mr. Payton, do you have any issue

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of putting that as a one-bedroom instead of a two-bedroom?

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Not at all.

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one of the issues we had was because it's historical we had to work within the window

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spaces and i think that's why it's a little crammed because the windows didn't exactly line up

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and we aren't able to move them because of the historic factor but we have no issue making it

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a den or one bedroom all the questions can we talk about this walden stairwell at the rear

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what's what's going on which this one right here yes uh can you explain what's going on with that

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staircase that i'm not sure the prior use i believe it was a doctor's office but it's a

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staircase that goes from the first floor to the third floor but with no exterior access

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yeah so what are you just gonna wall it off just gonna close it off yeah

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so um that's that's odd it seems like a missed opportunity i don't know it is but unfortunately

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even for like access to each other floor it's i mean even if you did it as a light well or i mean

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trash you lay well there's there's but that and then obviously you know you're gonna have to go

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through a co process uh at this point how much of this property has already been subdivided into

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these units and how much is work that's still left to do there's nothing that's been done yet

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nothing's been done yet cleaning out the yeah the pictures show that but i guess the subdivision

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What's the condition of the property?

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If I was walking through that property,

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how many units would you say are in there?

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Or is it just one big?

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It's just one big space.

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One big house.

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Okay.

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And then generally,

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what is your floor-to-ceiling heights on each floor?

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They're very large ceilings, I believe, 14 feet.

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On each?

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All the way up?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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All the way up.

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You know you're going to have to do sprinklers.

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Yes, I do.

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All right.

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Oh, that he knows.

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He's already counted that in.

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Any other questions?

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Questions from our attorney?

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Brian McShury.

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No, Chair.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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I see no hands, Chair.

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Planning Commission.

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Amy Boyd with the Planning Commission.

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The comprehensive plan recommends no change to the existing residential multifamily zoning at this location, RM1.

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the appellant has demonstrated the historic designation and the existing physical configuration

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of the property create unique circumstances that would require relief from zoning board

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i'm sorry from the zoning code for lack of parking the requested number of units is not the least

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minimum however a fifth unit would be a diminished deviation from the required lot area the planning

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commission recommends that the board grant the requested variance for required parking

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and grant the requested variance for multifamily unit count with proviso max six sorry max five

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units and you erased them for six and yes and given you know the condition of the property

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we do need it to be six that's you know and and it's not out of character as you saw i think it

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was 1827 29 and there was one other property i think 26 or you know that all are six units on

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that barge. So MI 2025 001 580 1835 Diamond Street, I vote yes.

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Michael Jones, my vote is yes.

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michael johnson my vote is yes cheryl gaston my vote is yes

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes.

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tenetta graham my vote is yes my mcadams my vote is yes tayo and my vote is yes

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um good luck that's a beautiful property thank you really really nice yeah very nice

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um i thought we do we alan alan the provisos you you were okay with the provisos

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Sure, we'll put the proviso as well.

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So, MI 2025-001-580-1835 Diamond Street, I vote yes with proviso.

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No household living in the basement, interior trash storage, and a certificate of occupancy must be obtained.

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Michael Johns, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Teneda Graham, my vote is yes with proviso.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is yes with provisos.

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I win, my vote is yes with provisos.

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I'm surprised she didn't call me.

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You know, I'm surprised she didn't call me.

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All right, thank you.

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We're going there now.

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We're doing better.

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We're doing okay.

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I know. We're good.

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Well, we moved a little quicker.

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MI-2025-002-707, 921 South 20th Street.

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Murder, the Ferliger is the attorney.

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Sharon, Murder, the Ferliger is coming back in as a panelist now.

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Thank you.

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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon. Could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

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Sure. Meredith Ferliger, F-E-R-L-E-G-E-R.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Could you identify your client and the relationship to the property?

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My client is 1127 South 20th Street, LLC, which is the equitable owner of the property under agreement of sale,

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represented here today by Nathan Cohen.

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And I would note that we have a letter of opposition

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from South of South Neighborhood, SOSNA,

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and we also have a letter of opposition

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from North Washington Avenue.

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But you have given us a petition with six signatures.

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And additional letters of support

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that I will also address in my presentation.

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Thank you.

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