ZBA Hearing - September 17, 2025

see it but

no it's a regular

yeah so it's a regular well I mean there's a regular door

but then there's a bill code door

on top of it so you come up out

like you're coming out of a cellar

and then there's a metal door

that you have to open

that doesn't match

the picture of the front

It doesn't, that's why I'm asking.

Can you walk us through how this property was subdivided?

Was it like this when you purchased it?

When he purchased it at the beginning,

it was just like that, combined it into duplex.

That's why it was the purchasing.

And then it's like, they didn't have the knowledge

that it was a duplex.

So they purchased it as it is.

so when they're trying to get the

arenas insurance

we find out that was not legal

so that's why we went through the process

that part I understand

we're trying to understand how it's laid out

you don't have floor plans and the photos are confusing

so if you could

I'm trying to get you to verbally walk us through it

otherwise we're probably going to have to ask you to come back

so

can you just verbally

explain to us how this is

how the units are separated

yes

You see this. We're looking at a photo now. There's three doors.

Do two of those doors go to the same unit?

So in other words, what she's asking, so you come up the steps, the main steps,

the door on the right takes you where to the second floor or to the first floor unit?

You come up the steps and you go to this first door on the right.

where do you go when you get in that's what she's asking is he still on the call I don't know if

he's still on the call I don't see is he still on the call my soul Rodriguez please raise your

virtual hand chair he's been unmuted and allowed to speak okay so did you I don't think he heard

anything that was said, I think I can repeat myself.

The muscle Rodriguez, please unmute yourself.

Yes. Can I have Lucas answer you there?

Because I have that connection.

Lucas Cassidy, he's right there.

Because I really have a bad connection, I keep going in and out.

Can you hear me?

So the door on the right, what does that take you in?

towards the first floor and the door on the left is the second floor

the door on the left is the second floor okay hello can you hear me yes yeah okay go ahead

lucas okay who's lucas wait a minute wait a minute who's lucas i'm sorry go ahead no lucas

Lucas is the owner and Lucas is the owner and the muscle works with Lucas

together with this.

Okay.

Lucas,

but Lucas,

I guess they,

wait a minute.

Germain,

Germain,

listen to me.

You,

you gave us the impression that Mr.

Rodriguez or he's an agent for Lucas.

Is that what you're saying?

Yes.

All right. So, Miss Lucas, could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

All right.

So, Ms. Lucas, could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer?

Yes. My name is Lucas Caceres, L-U-C-A-S, Caceres, C-A-C-E-R-E-S.

Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

Yes.

All right. We've been going through a lot with this.

Could you explain how the house is laid out and what's going on and tell us about the basement?

Yes. So so in the front, you see you have two doors. The right one goes into the first floor.

When you immediately enter that picture with the fire alarm system is on the first floor.

Right. Then you have the living room and kind of a little dining area with the island.

Then you have the kitchen and then the bedroom is behind that. And there's another door that goes to the back, the rear of the house.

on the left side is there is a door to the stairs to the second unit once you enter the unit you

kind of have the uh the kitchen area kitchen area living room then we have a bathroom on the other

side and then on the other side towards the uh front of the building is a bedroom so they're

both one bedroom um apartments and then the basement is you see the entrance there to go

down into the basement once you go into the basement we have some items stored there and

And then there's another door that goes out to the second storage part with the exit out to the rear of the apartment.

I mean, of the property.

So that's the picture that we saw, the Bilco door.

Yes.

Questions for Mr.

Okay, so Mr. Caceres, I have a few questions.

You purchased this property in 2015?

Yeah, well, my father did.

I'm his son, but he doesn't speak any English, so I'm here basically speaking for him.

But yes, he purchased it from a sheriff's sale in 2015.

You know, listen, listen, listen, listen to me.

Jermaine, you know we need the owner to testify.

And what we need is the owner, and then we'll have an interpreter.

Nobody can interpret for anybody here.

Jermaine, you understand?

Yes.

All right.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware.

no no and what's we we continue this for or we give it a resumptive hearing date

give me give me a date please

i've got three continuance dates

i don't i don't have it i don't it's your man you got to get you you got we'll order an interpreter

but we need somebody to make a presentation

and we wasted a lot of time

but the one person who really wasn't even connected

I don't know what that was all about

and then Lucas came on

Lucas was okay but you've got to be the owner

My apologies about that

That's okay, we'll figure it out

January 13th, what time?

9 30 a.m. a.m. January 13th thank you thank you is there anyone in the audience that their case

has not been called I see no hands share thanks everyone we've done a decent time but doesn't

look pretty out there I'll tell you that and Nathan thank you it'll it'll get better each

time you come