this okay that for this point the matter is closed except um you would have an opportunity
to respond to planning and i probably should tune in and i believe we're also in need of an amended
refusal right so that's right and the amended refusal too uh and mr marshall this is the
integrity that the executive director could you also please um get in contact with the board
office to enter your appearance as attorney for the case we have you registered for today but we
don't have you on the case as attorney i thought i was on there right i thought i was already on
there sorry because i had written some letters before for what happened is we went back to the
rco with this to make sure they were good with it and uh wanted to make sure they were uh you know
okay with the property okay okay thank you so we'll we'll october 1st okay okay all right thank
you all right all right and number four number four mi 2024 007199 9372 clark street this is
to be continuing until november 19th at 3 30 p.m and our last case mi 2025 001 794 4632
master street jermaine harris is the attorney
mr harris please raise your virtual hand jermaine harris is coming back in as a panelist now chair
good evening
uh mr harris could you uh just just out for a point of interest last week you were our last
case i know i know i don't know i don't know so could you please state your name and spell for
the stenographer uh yeah sure uh jermaine harris uh that's j-e-r-m-a-i-n-e-h-a-r-r-i-s
you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth
i do mr harris could you identify your client a relationship to this property
so my client is lucas caseras and i have his personal representative who's also his architect
as well. Delmaso Rodriguez
is also on the call, should be on the call.
I'll mention that there's a letter of unanimous support from the 42nd Ward RCO.
Yes. Tenetagram, our board member, has a few questions
for you, Mr. Harris. Sure. Hi, good evening. Have you
mailed your documents five days in advance of this hearing? I have.
And do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its accuracy?
And do you waive the reading of the refusal and stipulate to its
accuracy.
Okay, thank you.
You may share your screen and proceed with your case.
Okay, let's see here.
Okay, so this is concerning, again, 4632 Master Street.
And this is the property where you see the arrow, the hand, the finger pointing.
This is the property.
And what my client is seeking to do is to make, well, to legalize a two-family.
This is a block that has, it's a mixed-use block.
And it has a lot of, it has only these three residential properties.
And then we have commercial buildings around it.
So going to my exhibits.
it's okay so this is the picture of the posting this is the basement of it there it that's just
being used for storage and this is pictures of what it is what it's being used for as a washer
as well as again just storage there uh this is the refusal uh it's a refusal because it is uh
in a rsa5 zoning district which is just a single family district there's a black and white picture
of it uh this has been as far as my client because my client bought this property in
in 2015 from a sheriff sale so it was bought sight unseen uh but at least as long as he's on it
it's been uh it has been a two family has two separate entrances right here this is the
basement but again the basement is just used uh for storage and that's it so
the first floor is just both the first and second floor are one are one bedroom apartments
this is the bedroom this is on the first this is on the second floor actually
uh this is the stairwell leading down
home. This is the living room. This is another angle of the living room. This is another
picture of the front of the building. This is the other apartment, which is a picture
of the one bedroom
and the
kitchen
same angle
well a different angle
of the
kitchen
different angle
these are the steps
that's leading up
to the second floor
of the apartment
remain there's two front doors am i correct there are all right and one goes to the first floor and
one goes up the second floor is that what you're saying that's correct and you're saying the
basement there's a washer in there but it's just storage that's correct although there seems to be
a door to get in there am i correct there is a door to get in there okay and this is what it is
right here there's a door and a mailbox uh let's see here door in the mailbox and the air conditioning
but this is a picture of what it looks like in the basement gotcha
because i asked them that specific because i knew that that was going to be a question
uh there's a picture of the fire alarm this of the first floor
we have a picture of any images that actually show the interior spaces like the yeah like these
images that show the interior spaces yeah like the actual like the living room the dining room
so right this is the living room this is
so right this is the living room this is and this is for the first i'm sorry this is the first floor
yes and that's the rear that's the door that goes out to the the rear yard
this is the door that goes out to the front i don't believe there's a rear yard
this is the same thing of that same of that same apartment
this is a picture of the second floor that's not the same floor we just looked at
hold on because it looks like it's the hold on same island and flooring yeah let me check that
hook on. I believe that they're different. I believe it's the same. I believe it's the same
finishes, but I can have my client explain that just so because these are the pictures that he
gave me of the inside to answer those particular questions we have we did have
the meeting the community meeting we had it front of the 42nd Ward on the 24th it
was unanimous as to the 42nd Ward then we also have there are several
there are several multi-families in neighboring or adjacent blocks to this
block that are within the 250 square foot area that have multi-family and these are the addresses
This is one is 156 Wyoming, 188 Wyoming, 146 Wyoming, then 4614 Rising Sun, 150 West Wyoming.
Here is the tax clearance.
This is the deed evidencing that my client purchased it from Sheriff's Sale in 2015.
And what I'd like to do, if you would permit me, is I'd like to get the client on the phone, on the call, to answer some of the spacing questions that you guys had and adopt my testimony.
Sure, bring your client on.
Mr. Rodriguez, would you raise your hand, please?
Marshal Rodriguez is coming back in as a panelist now.
okay mr rodriguez can you hear me okay why don't you let me swear him in first okay sure that's
mr rodriguez do we see him
I believe he's a
panelist chair. He just has to
unmute himself.
Mr. Rodriguez, please
unmute yourself.
Hey, chair, I'm going to
try to send him over again. He
did not go over the first time.
Sure, thank you.
for some reason chair he's still not going over i'm just going to mute him and allow him to speak
sure okay hi mr rodriguez
hi can you hear me i can mr rodriguez could you please state your name
and spell it for the stenographer
my name is damson rodriguez spelled d-a-m-a-s-o
his name r-o-d-r-i-g-u-e-t
do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
yes that's that go ahead mr harris okay mr rodriguez did you hear the testimony that i just gave
uh to the this board
yes okay and do you adopt that testimony do you agree with the testimony
yes i agree with it is there any uh
Yes, I agree with it.
Is there any...
Now, are there any changes that you would like to make for the testimony that I gave?
Is there any changes that you need to make?
You don't necessarily...
I didn't want to clarify about the first apartment.
Can you see my screen?
can you hear me and can you see my screen
yes i can see it okay okay so could we walk through because there were some questions as
spacing as what these photos represent uh where they represent within the two apartments
These are one-bedroom apartments, each floor, correct?
It's two-bedroom apartments, each floor, correct.
What does this represent?
Which floor is this for?
And is this a bedroom?
That's a bedroom.
room and which floor is this on and the upper floor okay and then this is the stairwell this
is the stairwell leading up to the upper floor correct that's this image right okay yes what
what is what what is this this looks like a living space common area living space
for what floor is this for
that is for the first floor this is for the first floor okay
and i would imagine this is for the second floor right here since we see a stairwell right here
that's correct sorry for the second floor i guess i just see them black and white that's why
okay everything we're looking at is second floor okay what floor is this right here
that's the main entrance okay for the second floor
and what is this what floor is this for
this is for the first floor
first floor
is this also the first floor
or is this the second floor
first floor
is this part of the first floor as well or is this the second floor
no this is the part of the first floor okay
this is part of the first floor is this part of the second floor
that's the answer for the second floor
This is the entrance for the second floor
And what is this right here
That's for the second floor
That's the fire alarms
Show them the basement
Okay, yes
I know there were questions about the basement
Is anybody living in the basement, Mr. Rodriguez?
no that's only storage do you have a washer and dryer down there
uh yes but that is like so if we like we purchase it and we just leave it there
so when we're gonna use it we just go pick it up from there like
all personal stuff and stuff like that we just storage there
is this the front door right here this that i'm pointing at right here
is this the front door to that basement say that again no that just is a regular door
no that is just a door that is there for storage okay okay
and is this another wall to that basement
that's yeah what the meter is at right on the basement level
that's yeah what the meter is like
okay i guess we would open it up if there's any other questions um all right questions from the
board yeah i have a question does the basement run the length of the building
so what's in the rear of the basement we see the is this the rear of the basement
i'm just too or like what i see because it's dark in there so that's the only way we can
have light to it that's the only way i can see because we can and there they just like
Like I said, the storage, we got, like, one refrigerator, we have one dryer, a couple
of stuff that we save in there, so we just storage everything we can, and we just leave
it there, and that space will walk on it.
In relation to these photos, where is the door that exits to the front of your property
from the basement?
It's right there on the front.
you can see it and there's a bill code door