ZBA Hearing - April 24, 2024

Right. And the number of parking spaces you agree is seven, right?

We'll stipulate to that because that's what was...

And you also understand that many of the clients that you are hoping to get in your facility may have their own personal vehicles, right?

Objection. Our community benefits agreement already says we're not going to have... Cars won't be required.

and that's beyond the scope of yeah i do remember that testimony may say that darwin but the but

the licensing requirements of the state of pennsylvania don't allow you to take cars away

from from clients who are in halfway houses so then we have that so we have an issue with the

licensing well you have an issue this is not a zoning issue the zoning issue is how many how

how many parking spaces you need to run your facility.

Not whether or not the state is requiring us to have individuals with cars.

No, the state is not requiring you to have individuals with cars.

The state is prohibiting you from removing their cars.

Those were the words you used.

I think there's seven.

We know there's seven spots.

Steve, I understand what you're trying to make.

We got to move on with this.

All right.

Over an hour.

We're over an hour into this.

Got it.

But I will rest at this point.

Okay.

So, Darwin, we're over an hour into this.

Do you want to go back and redirect with him?

Do you want to go back and redirect with him or?

Actually, because our intention is to rest it, rest our case.

I do want to bring on the I want to bring on Matt Sullivan.

How long and how long would how long would you need?

It's it's it's just it's I'm not even going to cross examine it, examine.

I mean, I'm not even going to do direct testimony.

Here's what we'll do.

You'll bring him on, do what you want to do, and then we're going to break for the night.

And we'll start with Steve with a cross of him.

The the the OK, if we can just pause for a second.

Yeah, if if because, again, we're we're concerned about our timing.

and we're looking at I just wanted Matt Sullivan to just speak in support of the of the program

I also wanted to have uh the applicant just to adopt the testimony and I also wanted to

have John Disley to speak on the CBA so and he has the right he's not called as a witness but

but he has a right to speak

because he is the RCO

I'm talking

timeline

what I would prefer you to do

if you want is bring on your next

witness you said it'll be

real short he's going to say whatever he's going to say

and then we're going to break

then can we bring

on John Disley

and then I'll just

speak

I'll just have Matt

and the applicant adopt testimony at the next session.

Okay, so you're going to bring on John Bisley.

How long do you think you need for him?

Just five minutes.

Okay.

I just want to establish the terms of the CBA

and the support that we received.

And then, Steve, we're not going to cross him today.

We'll start that the next time.

I understand. Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr. Disley

He was

Mr. Disley

Do we see his hand

He's been allowed to speak Mr. Chair

Okay Mr. Disley

Yes sir

I remember I already swore you once today

Okay, so just state your name for the record, sir.

John Disley, D-I-Z-Z-L-E-Y.

Mr. Bobe, proceed.

Mr. Disley, good to hear from you.

Are you familiar with my client?

I just met him a couple months ago, so I'm not familiar with him.

Yes.

Oh, your client?

I thought you were talking about the Pools and Calci.

Your client?

Yes.

And at the time, is it safe to say that the applicant, my client, sat down with the RCO and negotiated a full-blown, fully executed community benefits agreement, correct?

Right now, Mr. Chairman, it would be disrespectful on my part to keep adding on what the CBA has before it, including the RCO support, the CBA, which was the third edition of it, and as of last week, our letter of why we did it.

I just think I would better serve this body, this distinguished party, and everybody on, if I just continue to ask questions, answer questions on a zoning issue, and the reason Dickinson Square West Civic Association supported this project.

Well, let's start with that question.

You're Mr. Bove's witness, sir.

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

So let me just ask you that question.

Why did Dickinson Square support this application?

Well, not being extreme experts on the disease of drug addiction, we just felt that it was a transforming opportunity for our community and our city in this fight against drug addiction.

In that regard, we called upon all of our various alliances, including all the bordering RCOs, the registered state representative for this area, the state representative senator, and the office of city council.

And might I add, this is the third redemption of our CBA based on the office of city council

needing to have two more things added to it.

And not to disrespect anybody on this call, but the variance was for six spaces.

And not to disrespect anybody on this call, but the variance was for six spaces.

So I'm not understanding the seven, maybe I'm not counting, but just for the record.

So we used all these alliances in our decision to support this project.

that's what it what would you if anything uh say to the board about about the opposition

mr chairman and the members of the board respectfully i'm not going to get into that

type of character assassination i can just say that every everything that mr masters has done

including these unidentified and weak to be named people, was I don't know them.

And Mr. Masters' last email to me was not in opposition, but in effect, which I have in my possession,

he just wanted control of the CBA.

So what I would say to the board, that's all I would say.

Okay, no other questions.

um we are uh mr masters we're gonna break for the night okay uh we there we will continue um

we will work to see when we get this back in here i do appreciate both of you uh trying to work

together um and um thank you very much yes sir thank you mr disley i got to see i hear you twice

today, sir. Yeah, I'm trying to

do what's right, you know. All right, thank

you, Mr. Disley.

Thank you. Excuse me, Mr. Chair,

just one brief

housekeeping note. I don't

have on our records that we received a letter

from Dickinson Square. We

have a copy of the CBA, but

if there was a letter explaining their position...

You said nobody received a letter of rationale

that I was forced to do next week

by the Spirit? I can send that right now.

That would be fantastic.

Thank you, Mr. Disley.

Mr. Disley, thank you very much.

Thank you. I'm sitting there to you right now.

Is there anybody in the virtual audience from the 330 list who has cases not been called?

I do not see any further hands, Mr. Disley.

Thank you, everyone. Thank you, everyone, for staying a little later.

And we did get a lot accomplished today, and I appreciate what everybody did.

and LeBaron as usual

we see you an awful lot LeBaron

I appreciate it

thank you very much LeBaron

of course

great job Bill

see you later thanks Tom

great job Bill

great job everyone

good evening everyone

good night all

good night everybody

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