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Committee Hearing, May 17, 2004

Philadelphia City Council Committee HearingsMay 17, 2004

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COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE - - - Room 400, City Hall Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Monday, May 17, 2004 10:35 a.m. - - - Bills 030372, 040257, 040258, 040313, 040009, 040010, 040011, 040012, 040013, 040014, 040015, 040016, 040017, 040018, 040019, 040020, 040021, 040022, 040256, 040421, 040422, 040423, 040259, 040260, 040262, 040261, 040397, 040255 PRESENT: COUNCIL PRESIDENT ANNA C. VERNA, Chair COUNCILWOMAN JANNIE BLACKWELL, Vice Chair COUNCILWOMAN BLONDELL REYNOLDS BROWN COUNCILMAN DARRELL L. CLARKE COUNCILMAN FRANK J. DICICCO COUNCILMAN JAMES F. KENNEY COUNCILMAN RICHARD T. MARIANO COUNCILWOMAN JOAN L. KRAJEWSKI COUNCILWOMAN DONNA REED MILLER COUNCILMAN MICHAEL A. NUTTER COUNCILMAN JUAN F. RAMOS COUNCILMAN FRANK RIZZO COUNCILWOMAN MARIAN B. TASCO - - - V A R A L L O Incorporated Litigation Support Services Eleven Penn Center 1835 Market Street, Suite 600 Philadelphia, PA 19103 (215) 561-2220 2

Council President Verna

This is the public meeting of the Committee of the whole regarding Bill No. 040397, which reads as follows: An ordinance amending Chapter 19-1500 of the Philadelphia Code entitled Wage and Net Profits Tax by decreasing in six stages the rates of the tax imposed upon certain low-income persons providing for refunds of excess taxes made and directing the Revenue Department to prepare forms for use by eligible taxpayers seeking such refunds under certain terms and conditions. This bill is being continued until Wednesday, May 19, at 1:00 a.m. (Everyone yells "p.m.")

Council President Verna

1:00 p.m. Listen, we may be here until 1:00 a.m., so don't correct it. This is also a continued public hearing of the Committee of the Whole regarding the following bills: Bill No. 040255, 040257, 040258, 040261, 040313, 040009, 040010, 040011, 040012, 040013, 040014, 040015, 040016, 040017, 040018, 040019, 040020, 040021, 040022, also, 040256, 040421, 040422, 040423, 040259, 040260, 040262, 040397, 040255 -- I think I read that, did I not? -- 3 and Resolution No. 040276. Mr. Vallas, please. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Brown.

Councilwoman Brown

Madam President, thank you. I want to thank you, Mr. Vallas, and the School RC for adopting a soda policy for the School District and the decision you rendered with regard to noncarbonated beverages in our schools. Can you give us an update, if you will, on the next steps regarding nutrition underway in the School District particularly around the school lunches and the like?

Mr. Vallas

First of all, thank you, and I want to congratulate the Council for their leadership. As you know, our action was in response to a resolution that the Council passed, and it has been very well received, although I did run in to a little 8-year-old girl the other day who asked me to put sodas back in her school, which I thought was the cutest thing. We plan on having the policy implemented by the start of the school year next year. We're currently out to bid on our new soda contracts, but 4 the policy will be fully implemented by September. Our next step is to look at the issue of snacks because the District is moving towards a comprehensive rewrite of our family health curriculum, and we want to address all areas of family health including, obviously, the critical area of nutrition. So the objective here is just not only to make sure what we are selling in our machines and over the counter is nutritious, but to make sure that the students -- that we incorporate nutrition into the science curriculum, into the general sciences curriculum, so it becomes obviously a subject of regular discussion in the schools. When we will be ready to go with the new snack policy, I'm really -- I'm not sure. Hopefully, we will have the new policy before the start of the school year. Whether or not we will begin to change the machines around that early, I can't promise that. That would really be up to the SRC, but the new soda policy will be implemented by September, and we now, as we speak, are beginning to look at the whole issue of snacks and other consumables.

Councilwoman Brown

Thank you. 5 Another safety issue that comes to mind, and former City Councilman Angel Ortiz really led the fight with regard to safe drinking water in our schools, and I know there has been some movement underway. Can you give us an update on that.

Mr. Vallas

As you know, about two years ago this really hit a crisis when we had, I think, well over a hundred schools that were in need of new filters on the fountains because of concerns or issues raised about the safety of the water. We now have running water in all the schools. That doesn't mean that all of the fountains have had the filters installed, but we now have clean safe water in all of the schools. I can say that with confidence. We still have some schools where we are not -- where all the running water has not been purified. Of course, where it hasn't, those fountains are either shut down or they are marked so individuals are not using them, but the bottom line is I think we did well over a hundred schools in terms of going in, installing the filters, and doing the things that were needed to come into compliance with the environmental protection agency. 6 And Karen has just nodded that that is correct. Anything to add, Karen? This is Karen Burke, our director of operations.

Ms. Burke

Good morning. MR. VALLAS is correct. You know, the issue is really the number of outlets you have in buildings and we have a lot of buildings. We are ahead of schedule in all correction activity and have been working closely with the health department to bring the whole project on-line. We accelerated it last year; that is, we forwarded some money out there so we could fix the problem as quickly as possible. We are done with all initial testing. Most of the outlets have been replaced in the schools. There is a time lag on the testing where you have to come back after you install new faucets and so forth, retest the water and then go back in around 90 days, but we are totally on target, ahead of schedule, and I think everything agency is pleased with us. We will still have a couple of buildings that will be on bottled water, but in almost all the others most outlets have been corrected.

Councilwoman Brown

I thank you for 7 that testimony. If we could go to testing and report card distribution. Last year the Taranova test was literally handed out to students on the last day of school, which made it somewhat difficult for parents to speak with teachers to try to get a handle in the interpretation of that test. This year the report card, the distribution of the report card, is now going to happen via the mail, which makes it difficult for parents to have a sitdown with the teacher prior to the summer. Can you help us understand why now the report card distribution process has changed and will parents be able to receive those Taranova results before the last day of school?

Mr. Vallas

Parents will be able to get the Taranova results before the last day of school, and the last two weeks of school parents will be able to talk with teachers about the progress and performance of the students. In fact, we will be notifying parents before the last day of school. We have already begun to notify parents of children that are likely to have to go to mandatory summer school. So there is going to be early 8 notification, but clearly the final report card in a lot of instances is going to have to be mailed to the homes, as it is in a lot of other districts, and the reason for that is for years the School District allowed or provided for the inputting of grades the first week of May.

Councilwoman Brown

I see.

Mr. Vallas

So in effect instruction sometimes in some schools ended by the end of April, and what we have done is we have now set aside time, a half a day on the 4th and a half day on the 11th of June, for report card inputting. Those are two professional development days where we dismiss school a half a day. We are giving the schools, the teachers, that half a day to input the report card data. What that is going to do is extend the period of quality of instructions by another five weeks. But in order to facilitate that and to get the report cards out in a timely fashion, we have to mail the report cards, but using last year's testing data and this year's Taranovas, there will be enough information, as well as the progress reports of the children in the classrooms because, as you know, in 9 all the elementary schools we do six-week assessments of the children. Every six weeks we do bench marks. The children's progress is evaluated and we assess how much -- how far the children have come toward reaching the bench marks. The parents will get ample data before that final report card is sent out as to how their child is doing and whether or not they are going to have to go to summer school.

Councilwoman Brown

My final question, and then I have a comment: As you are moving to build these eleven new high schools and I think it is eight elementary schools, the notion of grass and what that means for an environment, can you speak to -- first of all, has the School District had any conversations with Philadelphia Green or the Philadelphia Horticulture Society about that being a real component of the construction of the new schools?

Mr. Vallas

I'm asking Karen to step up. I believe we have had conversations with all of those groups including Earth Force or the -- Earth Force. I have to get these names right. So, in fact, we have met with them about this idea of 10 basically doing campus parks where there is not only athletic fields and recreational fields and, in the case of the elementary schools, there also is play lots, but also there is greenery. We have met with most of the groups we have identified.

Ms. Burke

We have met with most of the groups out there. In our designs we are trying to encompass portions of Green schools. It certainly encompasses more than the grounds, but we that we make environmentally friendly schools. All of our projects on the new construction contain a portion for landscaping in there. It is more than just a couple of trees and grass. It could include shrubs. We also have a campus park program for some of the larger sites but not necessarily so, and we are hoping to go into these sites -- these are ones that are not new construction but are existing buildings -- and we're trying to pull up a lot of the pavements because a lot of the buildings just have overasphalting, and we put in trees. We are also working with the Eagles and others on some tree donations out there of a large number, and we are going to start evaluating all 11 sites to get in more trees everywhere.

Councilwoman Brown

Did you say the Eagles?

Ms. Burke

Yes, ma'am.

Mr. Vallas

They will be donating trees to the District so we can install trees on as many campuses as can accommodate them.

Councilwoman Brown

And I suspect you have a priority listing of what schools will be so lucky to benefit from that kind of partnership?

Ms. Burke

Yes. We are also evaluating that now to see where we can do fill-ins particularly near the Parkway, but we agree with you totally that grass and trees is critical out there because it cuts down the heat in the building and, as you know, many of our building are open 12 months now.

Mr. Vallas

There are two things that are going to be consistent with all of our new construction and major rehab. One is greenspace greening and two is ADA, disability accessible. So all of the new construction and major rehab will not only be in compliance with ADA standards, but also where we have the campuses, we will green those 12 campuses. As Karen pointed out, besides the new building and the rehabs, there is money in the budget for an upgrade of the athletic fields, our campuses, our fields, our supersites, and there is also money in the budget specifically for campus parks. And we will give you a list, our preliminary list, of schools that this summer are going to undergo the campus park renovation. Our goal for the next five or six years will be to create as many campus parks as we can financially afford.

Councilwoman Brown

I'll look forward to that list. That concludes my questioning, Madam President. I do want to thank the School District for partnering with my office regarding the business round table that we have held, our second, which has actually taken place now on the second floor. We appreciate the work of Kimberly Sangst and her team in creating access for NBE/WBE business. So thank you,

Mr. Vallas. Council President Verna

Thank you. 13 The Chair recognizes Councilman DiCicco.

Councilman Dicicco

Thank you, Madam President. Good morning, MR. VALLAS. A couple months ago you and I had some conversation about the field at 12th and Bigler, and I understand you are moving forward we renovating that site. During that same conversation we discussed Southern High School and the area between the building, property line of the building, and the Broad Street sidewalk. There is some green space in there, but we had discussed that you had some ideas for that. Anything come about? Is there any plan that you can speak of today?

Mr. Vallas

I don't think South Philly High School is scheduled for major renovation. We have some -- we have had some discussion about what to do with the campus, although we have not made any final decisions, but I will tell you in the longer term plan, we have talked about trading some additional high school options in South Philly. For example, it is no secret that we coveted Bishop Neumann as a site for a potential 14 alternative school, but, as you know, the Archdiocese is going through its vetting process to determine what the most appropriate use for that site is. Also, one of the candidates for conversion in South Philly is a middle school that we discussed converting, but that is something that is going to require a lot of community input. If we had our way, we would like to decentralize or at least create a series of small schools in South Philly, which would then afford us the opportunity to construct a new South Philly High School that would be even smaller and perhaps locate it in a site that might be more appropriate to house a high school, so, in fact, you can get that building off Broad Street. But there are still a lot of balls in play. There's still a lot of scenarios out there, and the only way to really attack the issue of that campus in an aggressive way is to begin to depopulate the school and to have maybe multiple sites, to perhaps put a Central High South campus in South Philly or maybe a Masterman South campus in South Philly, but to literally have three to four 15 small school options so that you don't have all of the children concentrated in a large multistory high school. But, you know, we don't have money for a South Philly replacement yet, and right now there is no major renovations beyond that, beyond looking for additional locations where we could provide South Philly with new high school options.

Councilman Dicicco

I assume from your conversation there are no other sites that you are looking at, or have you already?

Mr. Vallas

We have had conversations with -- we have had some preliminary conversations with representatives from the shipyard, the Naval Shipyard.

Councilman Dicicco

That is in the Council President's district.

Mr. Vallas

Yes. But those are -- nothing is imminent right now. We are just -- we just feel that our high schools, whether it is Germantown or South Philly or, for that matter, whether it is -- our large high schools need to get smaller and our preference will be in the coming years to 16 decentralize or depopulate some of our larger high schools. Let me give you a quick example. In the case of the Mt. Airy/Chestnut Hill area, we are going to make Lankenau an independent school and expand the New Covenant Church Parkway High School to -- we are going to be adding -- we are going to be securing an additional building and we are going to be opening up a charter school. That will allow us to begin to depopulate Germantown High School, plus putting us in a position where we can build a new Germantown High School for many fewer kids off Germantown Road rather than -- because right now the high school literally goes to the curb. So, again, we are looking at all of our major high schools in all of the areas with that in mind, is there a way for us to depopulate and to decentralize these schools by creating a series of small schools. Children and parents would have an option of sending them -- picking one of many schools rather than simply being stuck enrolling their children in a large behemoth high school. That is the game plan.

Councilman Dicicco

Thank you. No 17 further questions.

Council President Verna

Thank you. The Chair recognizes Councilman Kenney.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you, Madam President. I don't have a question, but I just have a comment. I have been here -- this is, I guess, the 13th year for budget hearings in the School District, and the last couple of years have been a totally refreshing experience compared to what we have been through. In the areas of curriculum and class size, I think you have made great strides and approached things in a real practical way. Your teacher recruitment and professional development efforts have been, I think, extraordinary, and I think it is going to have an effect on the attitude and morale of teachers overall. The finances I think are obviously a major goal and a major accomplishment, which has given this District renewed credibility with Harrisburg. I think once we get our budget issues resolved there in Harrisburg with gaming and other things, I think you are going to see some help from 18 there and earned help because you have earned it. You haven't whined about it. You just went ahead and did what you had to do to get yourself back in shape. I think your labor relations -- in private discussions with union leadership, they say you guys get it. You value their input. There is that friction that is normal with labor and management, but it seems to be more of a teamwork effort and attitude from union leadership at PFT. I think that has been tremendous. And I think your capital program has been a terrific plan that gives people hope into the future that the entire system is going to have a new look in the next three, five, six, ten years. I don't think in any way this district is perfect. It is really large. It has a lot of problems associated with all of the kids and the problems they bring to school, but I think overall you have done a tremendous job in changing the attitude that we have as legislators toward the district, that Harrisburg has towards the district, and I just want to commend you and your staff and ask you to keep up the good work because I think as 19 time goes on -- you know, the initial years are the hardest and I think as time goes on, we start seeing some of the fruits of your labor. And I just wanted to compliment you personally and compliment your staff. It has been a pleasure working with you.

Mr. Vallas

Thank you. On behalf of the SRC, we appreciate your confidence in us, and, as you pointed out, we have a long, long, long way to go, but we are not going to make excuses. We feel that we can make progress with the resources we have.

Councilman Kenney

You're on the right road.

Council President Verna

Thank you. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Miller.

Councilwoman Miller

Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning,

Mr. Vallas. Mr. Vallas

Good morning.

Councilwoman Miller

I was just wondering -- and I just want to say I agree with some of what -- I didn't hear everything, but what 20 Councilman Kenney, the accolades he expressed. I think that the School District's information is very succinct, and I think you are probably the first, I will call you, superintendent that can come and just talk about everything. You are well-informed. I was wondering when you are talking about building new high schools, we get a lot of requests in my office and I'm sure in other offices to help children get into schools such as Masterman, Central, Girls High, and I know that the plan to do more AP classes and whatnot is a good plan, but do you ever think about expanding or building another academic high school?

Mr. Vallas

First of all, let me preface my remarks by saying -- well, rather than prefacing my remarks, the answer is yes, but our thrust is going to be to create new magnet schools and put magnet programs in neighborhood schools. For example, when we have talked about -- we talked about there is a middle school in Northeast Philly, Rush, which we are going to convert to a high school, but that is not going to be a regular high school; it is going to be a Northeast Kappa. 21 The Franklin Science Institute in South Philly, we have talked about when we looked at -- we are looking at sites to locate the Franklin Science Institute either just south of Center City. We have looked at potentially even the Durham site for that. It is the same thing. When we talked about looking at Bishop Neumann, we want to open up a neighborhood high school if we are able to access it. We talked about doing a south campus for Central. So we want to take our Mastermans, our Kappas and our Centrals and give them second and, in some cases, third campuses so we are expanding the number of high-caliber high school options, and we are giving families choice. And that will allow us to buy ourselves time to revamp and revitalize all of our high schools, putting international baccalaureate programs in neighborhood schools, advanced math, science and academy programs in the neighborhood schools. So it is twofold: One is to do what you requested, which is to have more, let's call them, high academic magnet schools because our objective is to make all of our high schools academic high schools while at the same time magnetizing our 22 neighborhood schools with our honors and our advanced placement and our international baccalaureate programs.

Councilwoman Miller

That's good because my next question was actually going to be: I guess one of the things that myself and my staff wonder is that when youngsters don't get accepted to one of those schools or any of the schools that they have actually applied for, what does the School District do in terms of helping them understand why they were accepted or even why they were rejected? And what do you have in written materials that is available to parents that helps them understand the dos or the whys and the hows of applying for some of these magnet schools, and not just to high schools; it is elementary schools too like the Fitler, some of those alternative schools that are City-wide, not a neighborhood elementary school.

Mr. Williams

Yes, Madam Councilwoman. This year for the first time we created a brand new directory for school enrollment. In that directory we outlined for each of the schools what the application process would be and what the criteria would be for students entering those programs, and I 23 believe it helped us a great deal this year as we looked at the number of students who had to make selection choices and move forward. We also got that book out in early November. We are going to attempt to do the same thing this year, which gives families and schools a lot more time to explain the entire process to their entire school population, so that book is in place and it has worked for us so far.

Mr. Vallas

With respect to your question what type of notification do they get, first of all, there are so many applicants that we get for our magnet high schools and our few magnet elementary schools, and really the magnet elementary schools we have, there are a handful of magnet middle schools, that the notification is simply notification that they were not accepted. We will then obviously -- if further explanation is needed, we will then respond, but we would be responding to -- you always want to be careful about identifying in writing in detail why someone was rejected or not accepted for that type of program. That in itself creates a lot of controversies and a lot of problems, but the sheer volume of the 24 individuals who will apply to a Masterman or will apply to a Kappa for us to go in and to prepare individual responses is something that would be beyond their capacity to do, and we would be reluctant to provide more details other than to say "Look, you just haven't made the grade."

Councilwoman Miller

I guess those parents have more information during the application process --

Councilwoman Miller

-- and they have a better feel for whether their child qualifies or whatnot?

Mr. Vallas

Yes. As Craig points out, we now have this options book, which really lists all the high school options in great detail. And as new high schools are added or as magnet programs in neighborhood high schools are created, that book will grow and the options will increase. Plus, if we are able to decentralize some of our large, behemoth high schools, as I mentioned, in the Germantown area and some of the others and create more high school options within the community itself, not only will -- if parents try to get their 25 children into Masterman and they are unable to do that, they won't just be left with that neighborhood high school. There may be three or four small schools in that neighborhood that they will have a chance to apply to. So it will give them a second tier of schools that they can -- a second tier of school choice options for their children.

Councilwoman Miller

I would like to request that City Council receive a copy of options --

Mr. Vallas

Absolutely.

Councilwoman Miller

-- a couple copies per office. I remember years ago before I came to Council there was a book out called options that actually gave us a lot of good information on helping parents. I worked with a Corestate representative and used to handle his School District activities. One other question: When do you anticipate receiving -- this is regarding the privately managed schools. When do you anticipate getting results of standardized test scores from the companies that are privately managing our schools?

Mr. Vallas

We will get to turn over the results in June, and, of course, we monitor all of the testing. They have to take the same test our students take. So we will get our initial results in June because, as you know, at the end of the year, if we are going to take any action with any of the privately managed entities, we have to take it, I think, by June. I don't know what the exact deadline is. There is a specific date by which we have to initiate action, not that we are anticipating it, but by June we will at least have Taranova data on charter schools and EMO schools as well as our own public schools.

Councilwoman Miller

There is always information or sometimes there is information in the newspaper regarding charter performance, but I don't think we have heard too much about the EMOs and/or the privately managed, and I don't know whether EMO is the acronym for that. Is that it, EMO?

Councilwoman Miller

And so when you get it, and whatever you decide to do, can you also make sure that Council offices have that report?

Mr. Vallas

Absolutely. We will 27 circulate it. And the report we circulate will be similar to last year's in which we will separate the public schools from the charter schools and the EMO schools and we will separate the magnet schools from the aggregate numbers too. So we will provide you with that comprehensive list.

Councilwoman Miller

Thank you. Thank you, Madam President.

Council President Verna

You're welcome. The Chair recognizes Councilman Nutter.

Councilman Nutter

Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, MR. VALLAS. Let me start where I think we may have left off last week with a couple items. Can you give me an update on where we stand with regard to information requests from last week?

Mr. Vallas

All the information that was requested will be sent to each of the Council members I think by -- at least by Wednesday we will have the information, and that includes details about the contracts awarded as well as there are those questions about alternative schools, test 28 scores. There have been seven or eight requests made, so we should have all of the information that we will give to the Council President's office for distribution no latter than Wednesday.

Councilman Nutter

No later than Wednesday?

Mr. Vallas

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

I heard you mention in response to another member's question, you made a reference to Lankenau School in the context of it being independent school. Could you share a little more information with me about that? I have not heard much about it. Lankenau, while I know is connected directly to Germantown High School, it is actually physically located in --

Mr. Vallas

Quite a distance.

Councilman Nutter

-- the fourth district, so could you share with me what is going on?

Mr. Vallas

What we will do is -- what we are planning to do with Lankenau we are planning to do with all of the branches, and that is renovate them and make them independent, freestanding high schools. They will continue to serve the same 29 enrollment area that the large behemoth high school serves, but they will offer a second and in some cases a third or in the case of Bartram a fourth choice, a fourth high school choice, in that individual area, but what we are going to do with Lankenau is in the capital plan you will notice that the game plan is to renovate the Lankenau's existing building, which is in very, very poor condition, at least by my definition, and build an addition, and that addition will house a modern gymnasium, a multipurpose room. So in effect we will -- I think we are going to be pending upwards to $11 million on the renovation, which will begin hopefully this summer, and it will take us a little more than a year to complete, but then Lankenau will be a freestanding high school, and residents in the Germantown catchment area obviously will have more than simply the main Germantown High School as an option. They will have two and there is a charter that is also going to be opening funded by the Gates Foundation, a charter that is going to be opening in the area, and then, of course, the Parkway School, which is on the New Covenant Church campus. 30

Councilman Nutter

Hold on for a second. Where is the new Gates Charter?

Mr. Vallas

I don't think they finalized their site yet. It has been approved, but it is contingent on them being able to secure a site. There were a couple of sites identified, but I don't want to get ahead of them. Then on the Parkway campus we are going to be accessing additional buildings on the New Covenant Church campus and then we are going to be expanding Parkway, and Parkway will also become a Germantown catchment area school. So parents who live in the Germantown area will no longer just have Germantown. They will have Germantown, independent Lankenau, independent Parkway, and possibly the independent charter school funded by Gates, so literally within the next year moving forward, there will be four high school options, and, again, that's the strategy. For example, in the Northeast, building a new high school in the Northeast and converting Rush Middle School to a Kappa North. That will create two additional high school options for children who are located in the Northeast. 31 So, again, the operative here is to create more options and Lankenau is going to be one of those options.

Councilman Nutter

Let's go back for a second. In terms of both the renovation as well as expansion, have there been discussions with the local community about proposed changes and expansion of the school?

Mr. Vallas

Not yet. Well, there has been some general discussions about Germantown, about the Germantown High School per se --

Councilman Nutter

I understand.

Mr. Vallas

-- but we have not had specific discussions with the Lankenau School.

Councilman Nutter

Lankenau is not in Germantown.

Mr. Vallas

Right, but it is part of the Germantown catchment area.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that and I'm clear on that. What I'm asking is if you are anticipating renovations or an expansion project, I think you said this summer, then what has been the discussion with the nearby neighbors who 32 are not in Germantown, would not be aware of proposals related to, quote/unquote, the Germantown catchment area or a school connected to Germantown because the school is not in Germantown --

Councilman Nutter

-- it is in Roxborough.

Mr. Vallas

Well, we have not had conversations with the community on Lankenau yet because basically what we would do first with Lankenau is renovate the existing building, which is a terrible building, so -- and we won't be expanding the enrollment at Lankenau. If anything, we're going to be modernizing the building and giving them a gym. So the number of kids entering that school, the population will remain roughly the same. But we will do community reachout and we will probably do it towards the end of the school year because we will not begin the conversion of Lankenau or we won't begin to modify the catchment area if we do anything like that really until a year from September. Right now we are kind of locked in. The kids who applied to Germantown or who have chosen to go to Lankenau, they are already going; they are 33 already there. Any change, any -- you know, any change in terms of how we select kids or how we place them or whether we have a neighborhood set aside for Lankenau will probably be September 2005, but right now we will be reaching out to the community, but given the fact that all we are doing over the summer is renovating an existing building and trying to modernize an existing building, we didn't feel the same sense of urgency that we would if we were tearing down the building and constructing a brand new high school.

Councilman Nutter

No, I understand that. Let me say this and we can move on: As we have had other discussions about other buildings being renovated, I think it is critically important that the local neighbors, even if it is just a renovation project, the school is, as you well know, in a pretty isolated part of the city. Anything that goes on over there is actually noticed, and you are not just going to renovate the building in the long run. So I think it is important and, quite frankly, demonstrates a certain level of respect to 34 the nearby residents that they fully understand what the entire proposal is, that there is renovation, there is potential expansion, there might be change in focus of the particular school, and I think the neighbors up there at a minimum deserve that kind of information. I would certainly like to be more fully briefed myself. Again, I understand that Germantown High School is located in Councilwoman Miller's district, but there have been -- there is a long history with Lankenau. It was not necessarily some years ago by a different administration looked upon maybe the same as you and your administration are looking upon it, so there are significant sensitivities, if you will, with regard to the school, and I think that the nearby neighbors should be the first to know what is actually going on in their neighborhood.

Mr. Vallas

We will do that, sir.

Councilman Nutter

Now, what is an independent school?

Mr. Vallas

An independent school is a school that has site selection. It is a school that obviously -- I really would characterize it as like a public school charter. In other words, right now, 35 as you know, view schools have site selection, but when you create an independent school or a demonstration school, you are able to create a school where you can basically --

Councilman Nutter

Site selection is a student issue or a --

Mr. Vallas

No; site --

Councilman Nutter

-- teacher issue?

Mr. Vallas

-- selection is a teacher issue. You are able to select your staff without having people with seniority bounce into the vacancies. So as we convert middle schools to high schools or as we create new schools or, for that matter, as we make independent branch schools independent schools, some of those schools, we want those schools to be site selection schools.

Councilman Nutter

How will students access this particular school? Will it be just an open enrollment, or is it still -- is it a Form EH 36?

Mr. Williams

Currently the Lankenau School for the purposes of understanding the independent terminology, independent in this 36 particular case for the first year would mean that they would have their own administration, their own budget, their own principal, and their own staff. Currently the staff, the principal and the budget is shared between both schools --

Councilman Nutter

Right. I know.

Mr. Williams

-- so giving them that independent status. So for the first year the school will operate and enroll schools currently as it does being in the Germantown population. So all of the incoming students for September have already applied to Lankenau/Germantown as they have done in the past. This allows us a full year to allow the school and its new administration to establish any type of different process than that which is already established.

Councilman Nutter

So how is it envisioned that students will be able to attend Lankenau? And should I assume that all of the current students will be able to come back?

Mr. Williams

Absolutely. All of the current students will return.

Councilman Nutter

What about new 37 students?

Mr. Williams

New students coming in have already been selected through the prior process.

Councilman Nutter

Through the what?

Mr. Williams

Through the prior process, through the Germantown/Lankenau enrollment process.

Councilman Nutter

Okay.

Mr. Williams

So for September those young people have already made a selection and have been chosen for that particular school.

Councilman Nutter

What about going forward?

Mr. Vallas

Going forward that will really require interaction with the community, which, incidentally, we planned on doing. Since nothing in Lankenau was going to change this year other than us renovating the building and, you know, if you have ever seen the Lankenau school, it is like a little elementary school housing a high school. It's a very unattractive building and it's a very limited building.

Councilman Nutter

I've been to the 38 school.

Mr. Vallas

Of course. Our feeling was there was not that sense of urgency since nothing will change with Lankenau in the coming year other than the fact that it will be independent. The second year, though, we will decide whether or not we want to modify the catchment area or the enrollment boundaries or other changes that we may want to make to the school, and obviously we will not move forward on that until we have had community input.

Councilman Nutter

That would be good. Is there something else you want to tell me?

Mr. Vallas

No; other than the option -- as the schools move forward, independent or demonstration schools will have the ability to do site selection. So, in other words --

Councilman Nutter

But, again, that's a teacher issue?

Mr. Vallas

That's right, which becomes a teacher issue. Of course, we hope by June or July when we have a new contract that will no longer be an 39 issue, but the issue of selection of staff is also an issue that is on the table. And the School District does have the authority to create independent or demonstration schools, which gives the School District the ability to designate those schools as site selection schools.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that. Let's go back to future years. The school is independent. Who will actually decide what the student selection or ability to attend process is?

Mr. Vallas

The SRC. In other words, if we are going to change the enrollment boundary or change the selection process, say if we were to give Lankenau a new enrollment boundary, that would be something that would have to be approved by the SRC.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that, but do you get in the school by just applying, or do get in by a special transfer? Do you have to take a test? Is there extensive review of test scores similar to whether it is Saul or some of the other schools that may not necessarily be designated magnet schools, but they have admission criteria or admission eligibility criteria that are established? 40 What would be the process at Lankenau?

Mr. Williams

Currently the Lankenau process is attached to the Germantown process.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that. We assume we are moving on from that.

Mr. Williams

That will continue for the first year. Any change in that will be determined after a new principal and obviously a school administration is in place to discuss those kinds of changes with their staff and with their community. We are attempting to establish the same process for all of the small schools that we are going to put in place. Once you have a principal in place, an administration in place, that becomes the body that actually starts the process and establishes the communication with the neighborhood and sets up the groups and those kinds of things. Well, do they establish it on their own, or do they need approval by the CEO or the SRC?

Mr. Vallas

They would need approval by us, but right now we are not planning -- we have not decided on just what changes we will make to selection process or to enrollment boundaries or, 41 for that matter, whether or not there will be any additional criteria for enrollment in that school. So I think what Craig is saying is that once we -- the first step is to make the school independent and then the second step obviously is to decide -- is to make decisions on what type of school that will be going into the future, and obviously that step, as you correctly pointed out and reminded us, is going to require intensive community input. And given the fact that Lankenau is so far from Germantown, it is not like the Bartram branches where they are within walking distance. It's quite a distance. Lankenau is going to be -- is not going to be as simple as giving the Bartram branches independence and just allowing them to draw on the same catchment area. But let me point out that we are not getting ahead of anybody on this. The first step is the building is atrocious and it needs to be renovated --

Councilman Nutter

Got you.

Mr. Vallas

-- and the kids literally have no gym or lunch room or anything, and that 42 building needs to be modernized and upgraded. I think that will be a positive. And since we are not increasing enrollment, we are not going to impact the existing community. Then the next step will be once that school has independent leadership and is a free-standing high school in its own right, we will sit down -- and I'm talking about over the summer -- and talk about perhaps other changes we want to make to the school not beginning September of 2004, but rather September 2005, and that will not occur without heavy community involvement.

Councilman Nutter

I appreciate it. Let's talk about the outreach effort. How does that take place? Who is in charge of it, and what's the process?

Mr. Vallas

I'm going to ask Karen Burke to go through the process by which we do community outreach.

Ms. Burke

Good morning. We do have an outreach process in the office that we use. Part of it is staffed by our program manager, URS, and the other by inhouse personnel. For all projects that we have out there, 43 once it hits the glimmer in the capital program --

Councilman Nutter

I apologize, Karen. You said you have inhouse staff and what else?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir; we have inhouse staff that is supplemented by contracts out there to create a large enough unit to deal with this many projects. We believe it's important to have input from the community. In fact, we learn quite a bit when we are out there. When a project is coming into being, most likely at a schematic stage, just the general kind of outline etching of a project and we have a budget, we go out and meet with the school, any school parent councils and members of the community.

Councilman Nutter

Who is "we"?

Ms. Burke

That would be the outreach section. Anton Hackett heads up that section for us.

Councilman Nutter

Is that the name of this entity, the outreach section?

Ms. Burke

It's with the capital programs, sir, inhouse, and I'm just saying it's a division that we have in there that deals with the 44 outreach.

Councilman Nutter

How many people are in this unit?

Ms. Burke

We have two people that are funded from our own budget out there and roughly three others or four others that come through a contract.

Councilman Nutter

What are the costs involved? You said two people inhouse and three people on contract?

Ms. Burke

Right. And I will get you those costs, sir. Anyway, out there we have this project that is designed up schematically. We set up meetings with the school. Principals are important to us, parent councils and others out there. These are open forums, and we discuss and bring in our architects out there. We have a managing architect with the program, and they would start to walk through what the budget is and what the program is to encompass. But we have noticed also, too, that members of the community have other needs out there that they like to come in with the building. Sometimes they will ask us about community 45 opportunities from a recreational side and how we will build and other things. We attempt to hold to the budget, but I must say that in a fluid process like this a lot of good ideas do come up.

Councilman Nutter

In accordance with the recent borrowings, how many projects will you have going on during FY '05.

Ms. Burke

That will require outreach?

Councilman Nutter

Yes.

Ms. Burke

I would have to count them up for you. Probably 40 meetings.

Councilman Nutter

40 meetings? Did you say 40 meetings?

Ms. Burke

I'm saying 40 -- it looks like to me just on a quick count -- and I will count that up for you when I step back from here, but those are the larger projects out there, the renovations and new schools, if you will, or additions. We also have, of course, a series of smaller projects that we also meet on too, but those would be your fire alarm replacements and boilers and so forth, but even those merit a meeting. 46

Councilman Nutter

How is it -- I mean what did the district do in the past? I know we didn't build a lot of schools, but we certainly have had renovations over the years. How did the district communicate with people in the past about projects?

Ms. Burke

Let me see if I can find some history here for you.

Mr. Lewis

Good morning, Councilman.

Councilman Nutter

Good morning, Jim.

Mr. Lewis

In the past the School District has, as part of their --

Councilman Nutter

You might want to identify yourself.

Mr. Lewis

Jim Lewis, administrative assistant. In the past the capital program had outreach through its inhouse staff. Whenever we had any type of renovation --

Councilman Nutter

People in the capital office?

Mr. Lewis

Yes. Whenever a project would come about, we met the capital program folks. We went out and 47 initially met with the principal, who is the key to any renovation, and it would filter down from there.

Councilman Nutter

So how is this process different than what you have done in the past and what's the purpose?

Mr. Lewis

I think the district through the capital program has URS as our program manager, and, because of the size of the capital budget and the capital program for the next five years, has increased the outreach staff.

Councilman Nutter

What is URS?

Mr. Lewis

They are our program manager.

Councilman Nutter

What does that mean? What do they do? Are they going to build the buildings?

Mr. Vallas

No. The way we are organized is we outsource most of the management of our capital programs. It's very simple. We have a program manager. We then have construction managers that operate under that program manager, and then we have general contractors. Now, it's a standard design that we have used elsewhere with phenomenal success and that many of the larger school districts 48 with more modern operating procedures use, and it allows us to, in effect, not spend a lot of time and money on inhouse staff managing our programs and it allows us to set up a series of quality controls so that we can control costs. And let me point out that the percentage allocation from the capital plan that goes to a combination of CMs, PMs, and general contractors at least by kind of regional standards is still relatively low. So we use -- we use bench marks in terms of -- because -- in terms of what we allocate to the PMs and what we allocate to the CMs, or, for that matter, the general contractors. But basically the senior entity or the -- that manages our capital plan is URS. They are our program managers.

Councilman Nutter

Who is URS? Where are they located? Who are the principals?

Ms. Burke

My recollection is that their corporate office is in San Francisco. They work internationally and they are a very large firm, and I can get you some of the prospectus on that company, but they are very, very large.

Councilman Nutter

Who is the person 49 from the company responsible for the City of Philadelphia?

Ms. Burke

Jack Kelly would be the executive representative on that project. He's just kind of over on a regional basis there. And then we have Pamela Johnson, who is our day-to-day factor out there, and she is a licensed engineer.

Councilman Nutter

What was that name again?

Ms. Burke

Pamela Johnson.

Councilman Nutter

So she is physically here?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

So she is here on a day-to-day basis?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

And what's the contract with URS and how did we find them?

Ms. Burke

Sorry, sir. Can I get your last sentence?

Councilman Nutter

Sure. How did we find them?

Ms. Burke

We RFP'd out there for those services, and this is going back in time here. I 50 believe we had about seven respondents. And these are all pretty large firms. And then the firms were first vetted financially and then we had committees that went through a selection process with them and ranked them, and they were the highest ranking for this service.

Councilman Nutter

And what is the cost of the contract?

Ms. Burke

Just a second. It is million over three years. And 12 I should explain these contracts can vary. Their 13 contract also contains a planning requirement as 14 well as a managing architect service, you know, to 15 take those projects through schematic. 16

Councilman Nutter

I understand. 17 Madam Chair, I know I'm way over my 18 time. I do have some other questions in this area, 19 but I can come back. 20

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank you 21 Councilman. 22 Councilman Ramos. 23

Councilman Ramos

Good morning, Mr. 24 Paul Valas, and your representatives from the School District. I have been involved for many years in 51 education. My family has made a very strong commitment through some very humble parents, who were not very educated, but who were very insistent that we become educated, and I am a product of a good public school education, a good Catholic school education as well. I commend the efforts and the hard work that has gone on under your leadership as the head of our School District, but it's still frustrating. I know it is frustrating for you and the staff because there is so much yet to do. There is so much yet to fix, but within that framework there is still a lot of hopes, a lot of hope with parents that their children continue to get a good education in our public school system, and we support wholeheartedly our public school system of this country and of this city. I want to touch on an issue concerning your last-dollar scholarship. You came out publicly a few weeks ago in support of last-dollar scholarships for all children in Philadelphia. There was some comments -- I don't know if they were ever made in an official capacity -- that that might not be the position of the School District. Is that 52 your position still today?

Mr. Vallas

That's my personal opinion. We felt that if the City allocated money it shouldn't be allocated exclusively to the public schools. So as far as I'm concerned, we would be supportive of a measure to provide last-dollar scholarship funding for all the children regardless. The proposal that we put forward includes charter schools, which, of course, we have responsibility for, but the bottom line is we think it should be shared by everybody. But that's my personal opinion. That's not an official position of the school. I don't think they have taken a position on that. That was just my personal opinion that I offered.

Councilman Ramos

So this is your personal position, but it says a lot when the head of our School District makes a personal opinion on the matter that has caused a great deal of discussion around here and public discussion and editorials and so forth. You think that with the money that has been allocated for last-dollar scholarships, that within that amount of money we should share this 53 with nonpublic school children?

Mr. Vallas

Well, you know, it is -- you know, the issue was whether or not the City Council, in allocating its share of the last-dollar programs, should limit it exclusively to public school children. I felt that it should include all children. I was asked my opinion, and I basically provided it. And, you know, whether or not it is going to be enough, it's hard to say. I think the first year of the program you are not going to get the participation levels that perhaps we had anticipated or we had budgeted for. So there may be certainly some flexibility because I don't think participation this year will be as great as anticipated. So monies that were identified for this program, at least the first year it may be easier to cover both public and private school children the first year because you are not getting the participation rights. We have been registering kids, and we think that the number of students signing up for the program is going to be less than we projected. That doesn't mean in the out years that we are not going 54 to need more money, but the bottom line is the first year of any program like this, you are not going to get the levels of participation anticipated. So I think for at least the first year the money that has already been talked about publicly may be enough to provide not only public school children with the last-dollar scholarships, but also private school children.

Councilman Ramos

You know, I have made the same argument. I believe because of the way this -- these programs worked that in this first year we seem to have not enough children/parents applying for these scholarships, so if you and I and many here in City Council and all the people that have been involved in this public discussion believe that in the first year we might not have enough of our public school children/parents applying for these scholarships, why not extend it then to other deserving children whose parents in most cases are probably struggling to pay Catholic school tuition, you know, in tuition-based schools other than our parochial school system.

Mr. Vallas

Again, I was just asked my personal opinion, and I felt -- I always feel that 55 -- my approach with parochial and private schools is to be very supportive of them. I'm going to support things that benefit kids regardless of whether it is parochial, private or charter. The heyday for many of the communities or the heyday for the public school system also happened to be the heyday for the Catholic school system and vice versa. I think when you have good schools, whether they are parochial, private or charter, you have stable communities. So I'm always going to be supportive of measures to benefit private and parochial schools, just as I would expect them to be supportive of measures to support public schools. But what obviously -- I mean, obviously what the City decides to do or what the Council decide to do, obviously they will decide to do on their own. I just want to make the observation, though, from the level of participation that we have seen -- and we have been very aggressive. We have extended our enrollment dates and everything. We are just not getting the level of participation that we had projected, although I felt, we felt, that the first year you are always going to get a lack of or 56 less participation in the first year than in out years. So I just felt that this might provide us -- this might provide us with the financial opportunity now to go beyond just the public schools and benefit the children.

Councilman Ramos

I agree with you. I want you to help us get this spread out throughout the different school systems. I stopped a long time ago just worrying about our public school situation, though that is a place where we have to defend the system regardless of its challenges, but I stopped just saying public schools because the bottom line in our city with our residents is that we need to get our children educated. So the descriptive adjective of whether it's public, parochial, Hebrew, or Islamic or whatever it may, Christian academy type of schools, what is important is that we have them in school, that we have them getting an education, and that our parents know that they have choices. And most of our parents choose to send them to our public school system, and we have had so many, thousands upon thousands, of good products of our public school system, but we still have a long 57 way to go. Do you know how many children have applied for last-dollar scholarships up to this point?

Mr. Williams

Roughly we have over 2000, maybe 2100 students.

Councilman Ramos

That have applied?

Councilman Ramos

Have you gone to the point of how many of those 2000 plus would be eligible for last-dollar scholarships.

Mr. Williams

We will not complete the vetting process until the first week of June. Obviously we extended the date to include more children, so the deadline is, in effect, June 1 or 2.

Councilman Ramos

When you extended the deadline, it was not extending it so nonpublic school kids would be able to apply; it was only extended so that our public school kids can continue to apply?

Mr. Williams

That would be correct.

Councilman Ramos

So the extension was to be able to get more of our public school kids to 58 be able to apply. I understood it as well, from my involvement with trying to get this worked out, was that it was also to give us some time to work this out, but yet it has not been worked out yet. The Catholic Archdiocese sent me a letter asking me what is happening with the deadline. We are running out of time here, so if we are going to make a move here, we better make it very, very, very soon because when are the other kids going to be able to apply? Even if we decide here or the administration agrees that we should extend it to nonpublic school kids, the school year is almost over, so when do they get to participate? But I guess, Madam President, that is going to have to be an issue that we have to tackle in the next couple of days because we are out of time.

Council President Verna

I think we made our position very clear several weeks back, last month as a matter of fact. How does this process work if the parochial school children were also eligible? Would the applications be sent from your office, MR. 59 VALLAS, to the parochial schools, and would the applications then have to be returned to you? How is that process going to work?

Mr. Williams

If we were to include the parochial schools, very quickly we would have to come up with a process similar to what the public School District uses. We have an application process, and the young people through their counselor at their local school sends an application to our office, and then we take that application to the group that is handling the scholarship, which is referred to as the Core Philly group. The private schools or the parochial schools will, in essence, have to do the same thing. They will have to submit their application to the Core Philly group after they have indeed vetted those applications. As it relates to time, there is still time; however, we do need to move quickly simply because the young people are graduating, but I believe that the private and parochial schools probably do a very good job with identifying who the young people are and what schools they will attend. Once that information is given to the Core Philly or 60 to the party that is handling the applications, we still have, in essence, until August to make the first semester tuition payment to whatever school those young people will be attending.

Council President Verna

Point of information. The Chair recognizes Councilman Kenney.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you, Madam President. I want to echo Councilman Ramos' position on this. We have been kind of in this together since it started. What is the source of the money that's going to the School District for this program?

Mr. Williams

The source of the money? The Geroff funding.

Mr. Vallas

The Geroff funding.

Councilman Kenney

What is it?

Mr. Vallas

The Geroff funding, the federally funded Geroff program, which is Congressman Fatah's program that provides school districts with funding to basically help promote -- help increase the number of students who are college bound. It's a segue, a transition program, from 61 high school to college, and it is very successful.

Councilman Kenney

It is federal funds?

Councilman Kenney

So that's federal funds, and we are being asked to provide $4 million in City funds?

Councilman Ramos

And 6 from over there, I believe. Is $6 million the figure?

Mr. Vallas

Well, we feel -- we are not sure how much we will need in federal bureau money because let me point out this is still --

Councilman Kenney

I'm sorry. Is there three sources?

Mr. Vallas

Pardon me?

Councilman Kenney

Is it two or three sources?

Mr. Vallas

No, no. Well, there is two sources. One is Geroff, federal bureau money, and one is the money we received from the City. But while we are not sure how much we will need to take out of the Geroff program, obviously this is money that is used for other high school programs. So we are not -- it is not just new money we have been provided. It is existing 62 money that we have to reprogram.

Councilman Kenney

I'm confident -- I'm hopeful that this can be worked out. I have had a conversation with Councilman Fattah who tells me that he's confident this can be worked out. However, in the worst case scenario -- and I can speak for myself -- I will be down at 6th and Market at Federal Court as soon as we know that this is not going to be worked out. It is just unconscionably unfair. And I understand your position, Mr. Superintendent, your personal position. Granted, you are under control of the SRC and the powers that be, but to me it is unconscionably unfair to even consider the use of federal tax dollars and the use of City tax dollars for people whose parents also pay taxes to be excluded from a program based on the fact that they go to a religious or nonpublic school. To me, I can't imagine a federal judge allowing that to happen. And I don't want to get there, but what concerns me -- and I think this is reflected in Councilman Ramos' questions -- is that as time goes on, we are running out of time. The June deadline 63 is what it is and you can do this until August according to Mr. Washington, but it is not going to happen by just ignoring that core of people who pay their taxes just like the public school parents do, who have similar needs, who struggle to send their kids to college, who have concerns about those issues. And I know you empathize with those feelings, but the thought of using a taxpayer-funded program and eliminating or excluding a group of people based on some nonsensical decision, to me is just ridiculous. And I think a large number of Council members in this body feel the same way. You know, there is some type of myth out there that parochial school parents and nonpublic school parents are wealthy, that they don't have the same economic needs as public school parents do. And I know firsthand that I spent, as Councilman Ramos has, my entire life in the parochial school system. My father worked three jobs at any given time, and my mom worked two, one inside the home and one outside the home, to pay those tuitions. And I know parents are still doing that today. I hope it gets worked out. I'm 64 confident that people in the Archdiocese and Councilman Ramos and the Mayor's office are trying to do something to work this out, but I can assure you if it is not worked out, we'll be in court.

Mr. Vallas

Let me point out -- if I can just make some general comment, Geroff is a federally funded program. That program was created for public schools. We're not the only recipient of the Geroff money. It is used federally.

Council President Verna

How much is being contributed toward tuitions?

Mr. Vallas

It's hard to say what we will use this year, but I think given the level of -- the reprogramming of federal dollars, Geroff money is really going to fully -- for this program is really going to fully impact us next year rather than this year because of the budget cycles. So in order for us to participate this year, we have to scrape together what Geroff funds we have not committed to our traditional college-bound programs, and that's probably going to come to about $2 million.

Councilman Ramos

Not $6 million? I heard the number 6 million. 65

Mr. Vallas

I think the number -- well, no, I mean right now we feel with 2200 -- assuming we get maybe 3000 students who participate with an average -- you know, 2 million, 2 million or more, or slightly more than that, should be able to cover us, particularly if we got some additional money from the city. Again, we feel that we could be covered this year in this program with about $4 million, 2 million from us perhaps at the very least and 2 million from the City and that would cover us. I know that what has been talked about publicly is the City providing $4 million. Again, I don't think we would need more than $2 million of that to cover the scholarship, to cover those who are signed up for the program today.

Councilman Kenney

I'm sorry to intrude on your time, Councilman --

Councilman Ramos

I'll yield my time.

Councilman Kenney

-- because I know how strongly you feel about this. One final comment I want to make is I think this program is important. I think it's well thought out. I think it is something that we need 66 to do for these kids, all of these kids, and I guess the thing that's most upsetting is that the core of people we are talking about who are being excluded, those families, made a conscious decision to remain in Philadelphia when many of their peers, many of the same families, the same structure families, were moving into Washington Township, Delaware County, Montgomery County, and going to public school out there. These parents made a conscious decision to stay in the city and to be loyal to it, only to be told that their kids and their needs are not going to be met or are going to be excluded as a reward for staying in the City of Philadelphia.

Mr. Vallas

Well, we have not told them that.

Councilman Kenney

No, no. Again, I preface all of my remarks by saying I understand your personal opinion, but I want to make sure it's clear as time goes on and the clock ticks, we are getting to the point where it is not even going to be effective for some of these kids to apply because the time frame is going to be gone.

Mr. Vallas

So there is absolutely no 67 confusion, you bring me here, you expect me tell you the facts. The bottom line is we feel that we won't need any more than $2 million from the City to fund the program the first year and we don't think we will need more than million in our Geroff money, which we have to scrape together. million should cover it based on our assumptions about the average tuition subsidy that they would need, and the enrollment to date. We are anticipating, obviously, that we may approach 3000 by the time we are over, but for that year -- for this year we think 4 million can cover it. And, again, we have two million in Geroff and of course we would not need the full amount that the Council has -- that was in the original budget that was presented to the Council. So I mean that is just a fact. You know, we don't have the enrollment that we anticipated. Next year it will be a different story, but next year we will have more Geroff money freed up. We think it's a good program. I can't argue with your points. I think when it comes to these type of programs, all of the children should participate. And let me 68 point out that our numbers include charter school children too, so we have a responsibility to provide those services or that type of subsidy to the charter school kids too.

Councilman Kenney

Thank you.

Councilman Ramos

I'm very glad to hear that the head of our School District agrees with us that this should be shared with --

Council President Verna

Apparently there are a lot of people that are agreeing, but nothing is being done.

Councilman Ramos

We are going to have to -- something has to be done very, very shortly in the next few days.

Council President Verna

We have been debating this issue since the early part of April, and we were led to believe that there would be an extension for the applications. I just have one simple question, and then, Councilman, you can have all the time you want.

Councilman Ramos

I yield to you, Madam President.

Council President Verna

Whose decision 69 is it to make certain that the parochial school children and the private school children do have an opportunity for this program?

Mr. Vallas

That is the City Council. I mean us. Right now we have federal Geroff money, and we have to use the federal Geroff money as provided by state -- by federal appropriation. We have to it use it for public school kids, but if the City decides to, say, split the money that was in the original budget proposal and provide half for nonpublic school children, we can certainly extend the date and --

Council President Verna

What was the purpose of extending the deadline date?

Mr. Vallas

Obviously to get more students signed up.

Council President Verna

From the public school system?

Mr. Vallas

Yes. Look, the earned income credit. We go crazy trying to get people to sign up for the earned income credit. Sometimes even when the money is out there, you are not going to get that level of participation, so we have had to do a lot of outreach. Right now we think we can 70 do this program with no more than 2 million from the City. If the City elected to allocate the balance of what was put in the original budget -- I believe it was 4 million -- we could extend the application date a little longer and wait for the Archdiocese to submit their prescreened list of qualified students, and we could have a nice first year of the program. We can then sit back and assess who participated and what the actual costs were and then we can go back and see whether or not there is ways to improve the program next year, for that matter to secure additional funding for what is truly a very worthy program. So if the Council elected to allocate a portion of the money to nonpublic schools, we could extend the application deadline to accommodate the Catholic and parochial schools and private schools. We could do that for --

Councilman Ramos

Time is of the essence right now, Madam President, because it is obvious that there is a willingness by the superintendent of our School District to move on ahead and make this happen for nonpublic school students. There has to be a will from the 71 administration, and they have publicly stated here and I have been told that this will be worked out. It is just that now time is of the essence. We are running out of time, and the numbers that Mr. Vallas has given us and Mr. -- I'm sorry.

Mr. Williams

Williams, Craig Williams.

Councilman Ramos

-- Williams indicates that even if 2000 of our children from public school system got the maximum of $3000, it would be a $6 million program, so it is obvious, and the research that I have done again coincides with the comments of Mr. Vallas in the first year. There is not an overabundance of kids that would be applying. It will be a sad day in Philadelphia if we limit this and not enough children applied for the scholarships when we have so many of them that need the money, that can use the money to further their education. So I am glad to hear from the superintendent that he is with us on this and that we are going to have to act on this and act on this very, very soon. Thank you, Madam President.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Councilman Blackwell. 72

Mr. Vallas

Madam President, just a point of information for purposes of clarifying. We project the average grant to be about $1,500. So it is really -- when we look at our 2200 students, we are multiplying 15,000 times 2200 students, and that is how we get to that figure that I have talked about. That's why we think it is affordable. The program allows for the grants to be as high as 3,000, but many of our kids are going to go to state schools, which means 85 percent of our children are eligible for either full or at least substantial aid, college aid. So we feel that the average grant will be about $1,500. If there is more children who sign up, we can always prorate the scholarship. We can always prorate the subsidy for the first year. So that certainly gives us an option should we have a rush of applicants before the end, before the deadline date is over. But I think the principal is -- it's a good program and I think it should be extended to everybody, and we certainly have no problems sharing resources with the parochial and private schools on this issue. 73

Council President Verna

Thank you, Mr. Vallas. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Blackwell.

Councilwoman Blackwell

Thank you very much. Mr. Vallas, I mentioned yesterday that I was the guest speaker for the mathematics, civics and science charter school annual scholarship program. I assume -- at that affair they had some of the students who were graduating. They must have had there, who all came up and named the college 14 they would be attending in the fall, so I assume 15 then for that charter school they have already made 16 application. They are trying to stay on top of 17 things. 18

Mr. Vallas

I am sure they have, 19 absolutely. We do aggressively promote this program 20 in the charter schools. Knowing Veronica Joiner the way I do, she probably submitted every single application.

Councilwoman Blackwell

I'm sure. Thank you very much.

Councilman Nutter

I just wanted to get 74 in one last question with regard to the scholarship issue. You mentioned that the Archdiocese apparently already has prescreened some students. Do they have a list, the Archdiocese?

Mr. Williams

We don't know what the Archdiocese does in particular as they prepare their children to prepare for their FASB, but it is a normal process.

Councilman Nutter

For their what?

Mr. Williams

FASB, which is the total financial aid package that a young person has to fill out to apply and to be awarded financial dollars to go to college. Literally every school district, every high school, has some kind of mechanism in place where there is a counselor or some other body that helps young people get prepared.

Councilman Nutter

Let me understand this. If there is going to be a resolution to this issue, if -- you talk about deadlines being extended, coordinated efforts. Who is going to do that and how will the nonpublic school parents 75 access the program? Put the timing issue aside. You can extend the deadline as long as you want. At what point do the parents and the students get information that says, one, you can apply, your name gets on some list somewhere, and then when the adults get finished playing around, trying to figure out what the adults should be doing on behalf of the kids, how does it get resolved?

Mr. Williams

I believe once it is approved that a portion of the allocation can be awarded to the private and parochial schools, we will immediately with the Core Philly group meet with the parochial schools and get information out to them immediately. The general application is already formatted, which simply means it could be adopted within a day's time and sent out to the schools.

Councilman Nutter

Well, today is May 17. School is over in what, a month?

Mr. Vallas

Mid-June.

Councilman Nutter

So every day that goes by is another day lost, is another piece of information that somebody doesn't get and everyone is waiting for some answer to drop down from the 76 sky. I mean, what about a more proactive approach that at least works towards the belief that something different is going to happen, that a resolution is going to take place, that people will have an application, go through a process. They understand upfront that there's still some details that need to be worked out, but you capture all of the information in the current environment because they are all going to disappear at some point in time. I mean this is an exercise that would lead the cynical to believe that all that is going on here is an effort to run the time off the clock and that somewhere in the course of the summer they will say, oh, you know, we resolved it, but now they have gone to the four winds of the universe. Why don't you get resolution on all of the details, and if we ever figure out, because it is real simple how to figure it out, that the money is going to be available, then you have established a contact and you have an application, you know who the kid is, and you can track him down. We only have a month to do this, and from your perspective you will say you are not in control of the process, 77 right?

Mr. Vallas

Look, we have no problem with that. We will contact the Archdiocese this week and ask them to prescreen their people. If the Council does decide to allocate a portion of what has been budgeted, then the prescreen will be done.

Councilman Nutter

I'm just asking you to do the part you can do.

Mr. Vallas

I think it's an excellent idea.

Councilman Nutter

Do the part you can do. We'll do, hopefully, what we're supposed to do, but I don't want to get caught in a situation where we proclaim at some point in time we have resolved all of the issues, agreements have been made, funding is available, and then we say, "Where are the kids? Oh, they are gone.

Mr. Vallas

I think it is an excellent idea, and there is plenty of time to get all of the eligible students who are interested in the program signed up. We will call the parochial school superintendent's office and we will notify some of the other private schools and ask them to do some prescreening so we can move expeditiously should the 78 Council do that.

Councilman Nutter

I'm only going to ask you to do one other thing. As you take those steps, if you could keep us informed through the President's office as to what is going on --

Mr. Vallas

Absolutely.

Councilman Nutter

If anything is going to happen, it is all going to happen in the course of the next month literally. We are out of session on June 17. Today is May 17. There are a lot of things that have to happen in the course of the next 30 days. This is one of them.

Mr. Vallas

We will give you an update on Friday. We will update the Archdiocese and the private schools within the next couple of days, so we can reach out to all the private schools.

Council President Verna

Would you notify them today, Mr. Vallas?

Mr. Vallas

What I'm saying is there is not going to be -- I'm not going to have a problem notifying all of the parochial schools, but there are many independent little private schools out there, so what I'm saying is give me two days to get 79 everybody notified, but the Archdiocese will be the first to know.

Councilman Nutter

Appreciate it.

Mr. Vallas

And the process will be this: We will ask them to put together a prequalification list in anticipation of this program being put together and we will ask them to give us a date on when they can get the prequalified list to us and we will inform the Council of that, and then we will give you a status report on Friday or before the end of the week.

Councilman Nutter

Thank you. Thank you, Madam President.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Are there any other questions for members of the committee? Councilman Ramos.

Councilman Ramos

I just want to make myself available to you because I have gone back and forth with the Archdiocese on this issue, and if I can be of any help to speed this up, and I'm sure Councilman Kenney and those of us here on City Council, Madam President, all of us have been involved to make sure that this is a fair program 80 across the board. I don't want to speak on behalf of my colleagues, but I will say we want to get this done and I'll be available to you.

Council President Verna

The Chair recognizes Councilman Nutter.

Councilman Nutter

Thank you, Madam Chair. It sounded like the School District was going to be finished in a second, or was it my understanding that we have other people from -- we have representatives from the PFT who are going to testify and then the School District is coming back?

Council President Verna

No, no. It's my understanding that Mr. Ted Kirsch is here. He would like to testify now, and at 4:30 we are going to have public testimony. And as far as I know, today is the last of it for the school district.

Councilman Nutter

I understand, Madam Chair. I guess I was under the previous impression that we were basically taking a break for Mr. Kirsch and possibly Mr. Jordan, and that the District was going to come back.

Council President Verna

They can.

Councilman Nutter

I have other 81 questions for the School District.

Council President Verna

That's fine. If that is your desire, we can do that.

Councilman Nutter

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Vallas

We will be more than happy to come back. In fact, we won't go far.

Council President Verna

No, please don't. Good morning. Please identify yourself for the record and proceed with your testimony.

Mr. Kirsch

Good morning, Council President Verna, Councilwoman Blackwell and City Council members. I am Ted Kirsch, president of the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers. By my side is Mr. Jerry Jordan, who is vice president of the PFT. I wanted to thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf of the 21,000 members of the PFT this morning. S. Supreme Court's Brown versus the Board of Education ruling, which ended legal segregation in the nation's public schools. In Philadelphia we have seen a rapid 82 succession of changes in the past two years including the institution of a standardized curriculum, new after school and summer programs, expansion of alternative schools for disruptive students, intensified professional development, and a capital improvement program to modernize Philadelphia's aging schools. During the many years that the PFT has been engaged in a dialogue about education with the District and the City Council, we have advocated for these and other important educational reforms to help raise student achievement. While Philadelphia's children have begun to make academic progress, there are several education reforms that have yet to be completed. We believe these are essential to transforming every school in Philadelphia into an excellent high-achieving school. Our number one item: Safety, order and discipline. In spite of the District's efforts to address student misconduct, the daily barrage of verbal and physical abuse of staff, students, and the property by some students continues to be the number one concern voiced by PFT members. Simply 83 stated, PFT members say that administrators often fail to provide consistent and effective support for discipline. PFT members report increasing numbers of children who present serious discipline challenges from elementary through high schools. Disruptive, threatening and sometimes violent student behavior is a persistent problem. We applaud the expansion of alternative schools like the three community education schools which have provided some relief. However, in high schools, new teachers, some only a few years older than their students, are often overwhelmed by the disrespectful, uncivil, and at times threatening behavior they encounter. I believe we can improve the learning environment by holding students to strict standards of behavior and enforcing those standards fairly and consistently. Further, I urge the Council to work with the District to put uniformed, on-duty Philadelphia Police Department officers in troubled high schools. And I might add that when I began my career in the Philadelphia public school system at Overbrook High School we had a full-time officer on duty, and that 84 officer was not just maintaining the security of the building but was a community liaison, someone that knew what was happening in the community, and many times there were difficulties with youngsters in the community that did not spill over into our schools. It was a program that worked. In New York City recently they have added police officers to the most unruly schools, 10 and we have found that since January, when these 11 officers were put into the schools, that there was a 12 steady decline of approximately 9 percent where the 13 difficulties and reports of incidents took place. 14 Last week The Public Agenda, a 15 nonpartisan education research group, published a 16 report entitled "Teaching Interrupted" which concluded that student conduct is derailing learning particularly in urban schools across the country. At a time when we are desperate to recruit and keep qualified teachers, one in three teachers said they have seriously considered quitting the profession or know a colleague who has left because student behavior problems have become unmanageable. 85 percent of veteran teachers agree that new teachers in particular are not equipped to 85 tackle serious behavior problems and are more likely to leave teaching because of out-of-control student behavior.

Mr. Kirsch

Discipline is not a problem that any one group can tackle alone. It must be a community effort that draws support from the District, City Council, the police, school employees, community groups and, most important, parents. We urge the Council to help the District develop a program that does place uniformed, on-duty police in troubled schools. In addition, I would like to add my support to those who have asked City Council and the District to find money in this budget to install appropriate traffic signals, flashers and signs around every school in the City beginning with elementary schools. One child injured by a vehicle on the way to school is too many, and I hope you will do everything in your power to prevent another senseless injury or death of a child walking to or from school. Our second item of concern is having real class size reduction. Again this year we urge our friends in City Council to continue to fight for 86 real class size reduction in Philadelphia public schools. Philadelphia has been creative in its use of federal money to develop the literacy intern program to increase the ratio of adults to children in the lower grades. That program, however, will only take us partway to closing the achievement gap. Class size research, which began in Tennessee years ago, showed significant and 11 long-lasting gains in reading, math and science 12 scores for children who are in classes with 15 to 17 13 students and one certified teacher from kindergarten 14 through third grade. By the eighth grade those 15 children are one grade level ahead of their peers in 16 regular classes of 25 students for classes of 25 17 students and a classroom assistant. The gains made 18 in small K to 3 classes are sustained through high 19 school where students are more likely to take 20 advanced placement classes, college entrance exams, and graduate on time. In Philadelphia, classes in kindergarten to third grade contain 30 students, and with literacy interns there can be as many as 34 children in a classroom. That is too many for effective 87 teaching and learning. If we truly want children to leave the third grade performing on grade level, we can no 5 longer ignore 20 years of solid educational research that proves that classes with no more than 17 children are the springboard of a lifelong learning success. Our third issue is the issue of retention of qualified teachers. No one disagrees that students do better when taught by certified teachers who have mastered their subject area and know how to convey the material to children. Research shows that college-educated, certified teachers improve student achievement. Without certified teachers students lose out. There are several steps we must take to improve the chances that qualified teachers hired by the District will stay and help us develop the core of experienced, qualified teachers that every school needs. Research shows that teachers leave Philadelphia public schools for a variety of factors. Among those are low pay and a lack of tuition reimbursement, which is standard in many of 88 our surrounding districts, as well as overcrowded classes, lack of professional support, persistent discipline problems and shortages of critical resources such as books, supplies and technology. The District's new teacher coach program is helping new teachers develop important skills and learn effective teaching strategies, and the new districtwide curriculum is providing a roadmap for new teachers to follow. But at a time when competition for good certified teachers is fierce, we will have to do more to help retain our talented staff across the City. Qualified teachers are more likely to remain in the District if their schools have strong leadership, small classes, good working conditions, competitive salaries, good benefits, support for discipline, and incentives such as the aforementioned tuition reimbursement. College loan forgiveness and housing incentives will also help recruit teachers.

Mr. Kirsch

These initiatives can and should be pursued. And, finally, our fourth major objective is to have equitable and adequate resources. S. Supreme Court decision was 89 handed down, and I quote, In the field of public education the doctrine of separate but equal has no 4 place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal, end quote. The promise of Brown and the civil rights movement has been achieved in one respect: Access. People are no longer segregated or excluded from public facilities based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation. This is a significant achievement that should be celebrated. Unfortunately, a new system of segregation is emerging in cities across the nation. According to a January 2004 study by the Civil Rights Project of Harvard University, resegregation is a major concern in urban areas where there is less and less racial and ethnic diversity. More important, in the years since the Brown versus Board decision was handed down, we have learned that access does not guarantee equality, and in this Commonwealth there is much work ahead to guarantee that all children have equal access to high-quality education programs and services. The future of the children who attend the public schools in Philadelphia can only be 90 assured if we renew our commitment to providing children equal educational opportunities. One year ago Congressman Chaka Fattah introduced a student bill of rights that would hold each state accountable for providing equal and adequate educational resources to all its students. It would require all children to have qualified teachers, a challenging curriculum, modern textbooks and materials, small classes, guidance counselors, librarians, technology, and appropriate facilities. This kind of educational equality is long overdue. In too many Philadelphia schools today budget cuts are robbing our children of educational opportunities that students in other neighboring districts take for granted. School libraries are closed. Music and art programs have been dismantled, and sports programs are decimated. In short, the programs that motivate students and enrich education are gone. School budgets may well be balanced, but they have been balanced on the backs of our children. Those of us in leadership positions must not let another 50 years go by before we change government funding formulas to provide what is 91 needed to make our schools work for all students. I urge you to join us in this goal because the children of today cannot afford to wait 50 years for educational equality. Thank you.

Council President Verna

Thank you very much. Are there any questions of our witnesses? Seeing none, I thank you. Thank you very much.

Mr. Kirsch

Thank you.

Council President Verna

Mr. Vallas, if you would come back to the witness table, please. Councilman Nutter, did you want to be recognized at this time?

Councilman Nutter

Thank you. Last week when we were together we talked a little bit about issues like art and music and sports and library services at the various schools and some of the concerns that have been raised, at least with regard to a couple schools in my district; other conversations that we have had, Mr. Vallas, as regarding some other schools. Is there any update on issues 92 surrounding the standards for art and music and library services and physical education and those kinds of issues, the kinds of choices and decisions that some of the principals have to make? You did put on the record that there are changes in a variety of formulas, whether it's special education, Title 1, and desegregation money. Any additional information in that regard?

Mr. Vallas

No. Well, first of all, the schools in question, the schools that I was directed to look at predictably lost money because of two things: Number one, they lost enrollment and, number two, they were affected by the change in the minimum funding provision concerning Title 1. Just to summarize, two years ago school districts -- every school district was guaranteed a minimum of $75,000 in Title 1 money, and last year we raised that to $250,000, in part because we felt we were giving schools so much additional money, close to 80, $90 million in textbooks and class size reduction and a number of other things, that we felt that this was a time that we could change the Title formula and provide a higher minimum funding level. 93 It also reflected the fact that we were getting an additional, I think it was, or $8 4 million -- I'm sorry -- $15 million in Title 1 5 money. So, in other words, the federal government 6 actually increased Title 1 funding for two 7 consecutive years by a substantial amount, and so we felt that this was the time to raise the hold harmless. We were challenged -- or we were threatened with a lawsuit, and we were challenged by a coalition of groups who felt that we didn't have the right to do that, so as a compromise we decided to lower the hold harmless and we worked out an agreement whereby the hold harmless dropped from 250,000 to, I believe, $175,000 minimum. The effect of this was schools that had seen a big bump in their Title 1 because of this minimum hold harmless formula suddenly saw a decline in their Title 1, not -- you know, they still have close to a hundred thousand dollars more than they have gotten in the past because of the minimum funding guaranty, but, nevertheless, obviously if you budget from year to year and you get $175,000 increase one year and a $75,000 decline the next 94 rear, obviously the next year is the year that is going to impact you. And there may have been a number of schools that went out and budgeted -- they funded certain things or they expanded certain things, but the bottom line is those schools are still a big winner because that minimum funding guaranty is higher than it has been in the past. I also want to make one final comment. Every year when we change the funding formulas -- the funding formulas change because population changes and the number of poverty children change, or, in the case of the special education formulas, those formulas are being revamped so that money follows the kids, but we provided all of the schools with a hold harmless so we would minimize their aggregate losses from any of these categories. So, indeed, at least a couple of the schools that you cited, that you made reference to, not publicly but privately were schools that lost because the hold harmless was adjusted and because they lost population. That's simple. The money follows the kids, believe it or not.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that. 95 There may have been one where the population increased, but we can talk about that later. The other schools in question, a couple of them are Daroff and Blueford, and then I have got apparently a resurgence of what seems to be an annual or every-couple-of-year issue with regard to Shawmont and their music program, which appears to be under distress or possible attack. I would like to get an update from you on those issues, not at this moment, but at least I want to have them recognized.

Mr. Vallas

I was going to mention, only because the comment has been made about music and art and athletics, indeed over the past decade or so, those programs have been cut. Last year when we presented our first budget we stemmed those cuts. We just stopped eliminating those positions, and we have actually begun to do some limited add-backs in terms of creating new positions. But what we have also done beyond that is we have invested a considerable amount of new money in athletic equipment, gym and athletic field renovations, and last year, and now including this year, a considerable at of money for the purchase of 96 new musical instruments and things of this nature, last year $400,000, this year over a million dollars, so we are working our way back. It's not anywhere near where it should be, but we are beginning to inch our way back.

Councilman Nutter

But, for instance, why would there be a cut in a music program?

Mr. Vallas

Well, not during -- well, schools decide to expand their own programs. For example, we don't fund elementary school librarians. That is something that has to be taken out of the local school district's Title 1 budget. I don't remember when the board eliminated funding for librarians. We restored central office high school librarians to the budget, but we couldn't afford to pick up the cost of all the elementary school librarians, and that was left up to the local schools. Many schools have elected to have a librarian or hire a LIMA, which is a less expensive librarian where other schools have decided to reduce class size even further and not hire that librarian. Same thing with music. We provide -- and Wayne Harris is here. He could probably explain 97 to you how we fund our music and our teachers, but there are schools that decide to support larger art and music programs, and if they lose their Title 1 money, they may elect to cut those programs.

Councilman Nutter

Therein lines the issue in what I have tried to get back to both today and last week. If we have certain standards for what kinds of programs and activities we believe should be in a school, then I think some of these issues just -- they are not options. I mean, you can have music, but maybe you don't have a librarian. You can have art, but you don't have music. I mean, I think you know me well enough to know and certainly in my many go-rounds with Mike Harris, you know, I'm not either naive or Polyannaish about any of these issues, but it's not like the principal has the option to say, "Well, we are going to have math but not English." I mean, you have to have both. That is part of the standard operation of the school. And what I'm suggesting to you is unless there were some community outcry or every parent in the school said, "I don't want my kid to even be exposed to music or art or library," short of that, 98 which would be a rather insane situation, these choices that are being made -- I know you are saying they are at the local level. Principals can get what they want. They can take it from the shelf or have it or not have it, and what I'm suggesting to you is English, math, science, geography, somewhere in the midst of all the other things that are a standard part of the curriculum, art and music and library should be on a list of things that you just don't really get to touch at some level. Now, if you want to have an orchestra, that may be a different story.

Mr. Vallas

I think what I'm saying is I will get you the specific requirements, what specific minimum requirements, we impose on the schools for art and music both at the elementary and high school level. Right off the top of my head I can't tell you what that is, but I will get you the background, or I will get you an explanation of that. I think what I'm saying is a couple things: First of all, on the issue of librarians, I feel every classroom should be a library, and rather than have a 50 or $60,000 librarian, if you can 99 reduce class sizes and put a classroom library in the every classroom and hire a LIMA, which is a --

Councilman Nutter

Hire a what?

Mr. Vallas

It's called a LIMA, which is a library technician. It is not a full-blown degreed librarian. They can do a very effective job at elementary schools.

Councilman Nutter

Do they go classroom to classroom?

Mr. Vallas

No; they still operate under the library, but they are not the traditional union title librarian with the pay and the status and all the things that librarians are --

Councilman Nutter

I don't want to have a management/labor discussion.

Mr. Vallas

I need to get you an explanation of what the requirements are. Right off of top of my head, it's --

Councilman Nutter

I understand.

Mr. Vallas

I think what I'm saying right now, though, is at the elementary school level some choices are made. There's supposed to be music and art instruction at every level, but it is certainly not at the degree we would like to get it 100 to. So school districts take it upon themselves to use their discretionary money to enhance their programs. Now, how are we going to get at the issue of art, music enrichment? In the following ways: First thing we are going to do is -- first thing we are doing is we haven't cut our art and music teachers, number one. Number two, we are beginning to hire back. We are beginning to supplement. We are working with the various universities and art institutes so we can get part-time music teachers and music majors and music teacher student majors working in the schools so we can supplement our staff. The next thing we are doing is replacing all of the hardware. In the area of sports we are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in new sports equipment. In the area of music we are purchasing more musical instruments. I have problems in schools where I have a music teacher and I don't have any musical instruments in that school. So we are beginning to replace the materials that were lost to us over the past few years. 101 And now the third thing that we are doing is one of the five core curriculum areas that we are standardizing is the music and arts curriculum. Our goal here is to provide all of the teachers, particularly the elementary school teachers, particularly those primary grade teachers who obviously have to be multidisciplinary, with basically a music and art curriculum that can be incorporated into the general curriculum. The arts curriculum, the arts standardized curriculum, is probably about a year away from completion. For obvious reasons we focused on language, art, math, and this coming year on social studies and sciences. So I think through those three things, not cutting what is there and beginning incrementally to add back, tapping into the university system and into the art community so that we can get part-time musicians and artists -- our partnership with Joan Golden, for example, that we are negotiating is to enhance art in the schools by bringing Joan and her considerable leadership and resources into the schools so we can have programs -- purchasing new equipment, new materials, replenishing our supplies, upgrading our athletic 102 fields -- I mean in the capital plan we have literally five supersites in the planning stage, and we are going to, within the next five years, revamp at least of our athletic fields -- and then 6 fourth is to basically provide a standardized 7 curriculum for every elementary school teacher 8 because most of the music and art that is taught at 9 the elementary schools is not only taught by the 10 music and art teacher. A lot of times that art 11 teacher is doing more coordinating than teaching. A 12 lot of times at kindergarten, first grade, second 13 grade, third great level, at those younger grade levels, it is those teachers that have those interdisciplinary skills teaching in more than one area.

Councilman Nutter

Why don't we do this: Can you provide to us through the Chair a listing for each school, whether they have art, music, physical education, library services, and whatever level of sports that school has available?

Mr. Vallas

Absolutely.

Councilman Nutter

Just go school by school. Let's go back to the capital program. 103 When you were last up, I was asking you but this company URS, who is your program manager for the capital plan, and you said they are out of San Francisco and they operate nationally or internationally. They have a $24 million over-three-year contract. Who else is involved in this project?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir, they have -- they have subcontractors that are also under their contract. There are five subs that they use. Among all of the subs and the prime, they would have 37 employees. And you has asked before --

Councilman Nutter

Hold on one second. So you have URS and five subs. Is that correct?

Ms. Burke

That's correct.

Councilman Nutter

Total of six companies involved.

Councilman Nutter

And what is the total amount of all of those contracts?

Ms. Burke

The total dollar or the employees?

Ms. Burke

That's inclusive. 104

Councilman Nutter

The -- 3

Councilman Nutter

25. And what are 5 the individual contracts for the other five subs? 6

Ms. Burke

Did you want the contract 7 breakdown? I can get that for you later. What I 8 have is the employee breakdown. 9

Councilman Nutter

I will take that, 10 but I would like the contract breakdown as well. 11

Ms. Burke

We were going to send you 12 that as well. 13 URS, 13 people; Polotnik 3; Gingully, 7. 14

Councilman Nutter

Hold it. I was 15 never a quick notetaker. 16

Ms. Burke

I'm also planning on sending 17 it to you as well. 18 Polotnik, 3; Gingully, 7; McKissock, 9; 19 Contract Compliance, 3. 20

Councilman Nutter

That's a company? 21

Ms. Burke

Yes, it is, sir. 22 S & G, 2; URS itself, 13. 23 The other thing that I wanted to mention 24 is proportionality. The contract itself over three years has a work base of 1.1 billion in 105 construction. The value of the contract is approximately 2.5 percent of construction.

Councilman Nutter

The overall work is 1.1 billion, the contract is 2.5 percent, which is the million? 7

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir. 8 Mr. Vallas had also mentioned that we 9 used construction managers as well. Construction 10 managers per our SRC in aggregate are to come in on 11 projects at 3.75 percent. 12

Councilman Nutter

Say that again. 13

Ms. Burke

Construction managers, the 14 SRC -- 15

Councilman Nutter

How many do you 16 have? 17

Mr. Vallas

We have preapproved 14. We 18 are negotiating with the 14. It will probably be 19 fewer than 14, but what we have done is, per the 20 SRC, we have capped the number of aggregate 21 administrative fees to 3.75 percent of the total 22 construction package. 23

Councilman Nutter

So that is 3.75 out 24 of the 1.1? 25

Ms. Burke

That is on top of the 1.1. 106 1.1 billion is the construction base.

Councilman Nutter

I understand. So is 3.75 out of 1.1 is the amount.

Ms. Burke

Yes, that's what it would be.

Mr. Vallas

Let me point out in picking these percentages, we are really using national and regional bench marks, so that the percentage allocations are not only consistent with those bench marks, but historically they are low.

Councilman Nutter

So we are talking about 35 to $40 million?

Mr. Vallas

In a $1.1 billion school construction program or any sort of construction program, you are going to spend --

Councilman Nutter

I am not making any commentary. I'm quickly trying to just do the math.

Mr. Vallas

For the total CM fees it is probably going to come to $25 million also. It depends on what we finally negotiate, but to say we will spend $25 million on construction manager fees -- wouldn't you say, Karen?

Councilman Nutter

3.75 and 1.1 billion -- it is close to 4 percent of a billion. Sounds 107 like -- sounds like 40?

Mr. Vallas

I think the authorization is to negotiate up to 25.

Ms. Burke

Councilman, the District has always used construction managers on its projects even in the past before this new program, and the fee range for your CM at that point was easily 6 to 7 percent rather than a smaller amount.

Councilman Nutter

Yeah. To be honest with you, having no real base of comparison, I don't know whether it's a low number or high number. So for the moment you don't have to justify the number. I just want to make sure I understand the math. At a later point when I actually learn something about this, then we will have a different discussion.

Mr. Vallas

I think just as a correction, when I say million, that is the 19 authorization. The authorization is 3.75, and the 20 CM contracts will be for no more than 25 million. 21 That doesn't mean it is on the total 1.1. The 22 bottom line is our objective was to bring in a lot 23 of construction managers because there's a lot of 24 companies in the area that are very good and they 25 were all competing, and what we would do is over the 108 next year or two is we would weed out those that were least effective and continue those that were most effective. So, you know, when I say once the CM contracts are completed, it will probably translate into another $25 million commitment, that's where that is coming from.

Councilman Nutter

I understand. And you can provide us with a list?

Mr. Vallas

Absolutely.

Councilman Nutter

You don't have to go through the preapproved, okay. 14 Let's go back to the construction side. You have URS, who has the overall responsibility. You can get us information with regard to the five subcontracting firms --

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

-- and what their responsibilities are?

Mr. Vallas

That will be in your packet on Wednesday along with a financial allocation on how that contract -- how the subs will be contracted -- how the subs will be compensated within the 25 million. 109

Councilman Nutter

Let me jump back to an earlier topic very briefly. Can you tell me what are the eligible uses for Title 1 money?

Mr. Vallas

Wayne, come over here.

Councilman Nutter

What can it be used for?

Mr. Vallas

It will probably be easier to tell you what it can't be used for.

Mr. Harris

Title 1 is a very nice -- I'm Wayne Harris, budget director. Title 1 is a very nice, flexible grant. The key is that the vast majority of it needs to be distributed to the schools and the schools are empowered to decide how to spend the money with just a few restrictions. The money needs to be distributed in such a way that the schools with the highest concentration of poverty receive the largest amount down to the schools with the lowest concentration of poverty -- the largest amount per student down to the schools with the lowest concentration of poverty getting less. The schools are required to spend either 5 percent or 10 percent depending on whether or not 110 they are in corrective action, which is part of the No Child Left Behind Law, more if they are in correction action, on professional development for their teachers. They are also required to spend 1 percent for parent involvement. Outside of that, there are very few restrictions on what they are allowed to do with Title 1.

Councilman Nutter

So upwards of 11 percent may actually be specifically designated for some use, but the other 89 percent at least you can pretty much do whatever you want?

Mr. Harris

You are encouraged to use it instructionally.

Mr. Vallas

Also, we are required under the No Child Left Behind to earmark I think it is roughly about 5 percent of the Title 1 money for supplemental education services. This is the after school extended day tutoring that is part of the subject, but other than that --

Mr. Harris

Essentially we are required to have three 5 percent set-asides, one for after school tutoring, 5 percent for after school tutoring, 5 percent for improvement of teaching, to 111 get teachers fully qualified, and percent for school choice.

Mr. Vallas

We can get you an aggregate 5 breakdown on just how the schools use most of their money, but from experience and from personal knowledge, most of the money goes to hire teachers so that is always priority number one. The overwhelming majority of the Title 1 money goes to hire either classroom teachers or some of these supplemental teachers or instructors like librarians or art teachers or music teachers.

Councilman Nutter

Let me talk about the older students. I'm going to shift. Last week I made a note to myself based on something you said, Mr. Vallas. Can you tell me a little bit about what kind of contact we have with the business community regarding curriculum issues, how well our students are prepared to enter the work force, and any discussions or emphasis with our business leadership about how they carry a message hopefully on behalf of the district to their employees, which may get into a slightly touchy area, on making sure that they pick up report cards, work with their child on 112 their education issues, the issue of taking off time, if they have to, for parent/teacher conference, any of those kinds of things that help to carry a message from the District to the employers and ultimately to parents who may be employees of these companies that education is really important to the business community, that business leaders want parents to be actively involved and actively engaged in their child's education, that if they need time off, you know, other than contractual obligations and the like, they really are sending a message down through the ranks that education is important, and if you need time, that it is going to be given, and it's emphasized by the companies. Do we ever have those conversations?

Mr. Williams

Yes. One of the things that we did as a result of a task force that was established a year and a half ago in partnership with the Chamber of Commerce, one of the recommendations as a result of that task force was to establish business community councils. To date we have established eight of those councils, one representing each of the following state recognized 113 career areas or areas of occupation such as business, health, industry, construction and so forth. Those individuals meet on a monthly basis to talk about work readiness and what they could do in terms of recommendation to curriculum, what they could do in terms of helping prepare internships, and overall what they could do to help with the soft skills or provide recommendations to the School District as it relates to soft skills. As a result, this relationship has afforded us the opportunity to meet with industry leaders representing those fields on a monthly basis to make sure that we are making them aware of the changes that we are making in curriculum, all of the upgrades we are doing as it relates to education and to the programs.

Councilman Nutter

This is being done through the task force or through someone's office or --

Mr. Williams

The recommendation was the task force. Now we are fulfilling the recommendation through our office of secondary education. 114

Councilman Nutter

So your office is responsible for all the high schools?

Mr. Williams

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

And I'm going to assume that this is an office or a division of the district that has always existed.

Mr. Williams

Actually, no; this is a division of the District that literally started with Mr. Vallas' administration.

Councilman Nutter

Who was in charge of high schools before?

Mr. Williams

Before Mr. Vallas arrived, we had one person in the School District who basically assisted high schools in whatever her limited capacity could be. Once we came in, we started an entire division, which meant we added offices to deal with particular areas as it related to high schools.

Councilman Nutter

How many people are in the office now?

Mr. Williams

We have seven major divisions, perhaps maybe about 30 people in our downtown office, and obviously we have a field representative such as educational coaches that go 115 to high schools to work along with teachers and students in implementing the new core curriculum.

Councilman Nutter

Seven divisions, 30 people. Some are at the District and the rest are where?

Mr. Williams

In schools.

Councilman Nutter

How many at the District?

Mr. Williams

Maybe about 30 in the district, a little over 30 in the District.

Councilman Nutter

30 in the District?

Mr. Williams

Yes. And we have representatives inside of schools.

Councilman Nutter

How many in the schools?

Mr. Williams

Close to about 50.

Councilman Nutter

50?

Mr. Williams

Yes. And those are school-based representatives. They don't come out. They stay in the school.

Mr. Vallas

All of the schools from the K to 8 schools to the 9 to 12 schools have coaches. With the move towards the standardized curriculum, 116 we have standardized professional development and we put coaches in all of the schools, literacy coaches, math coaches.

Councilman Nutter

Who do they work with?

Mr. Vallas

At the elementary school level they work with the principals and the teachers. They are there to provide at the local level local professional development because in the new curriculum instructional models it is important to have -- a premium has been placed on the training of the teachers on how to match to the models. It is the same thing at the high school level. We have coaches. We have language, arts, and mathematics coaches. Eventually we will probably have science coaches. The objective here is to have professional trainers at the local school level who are basically ensuring the implementation of the curriculum. Let me point out that these are not like new positions added to existing positions. One of the things that we did in the high schools was we jettisoned a lot of the what we felt were 117 ineffective and wasteful positions. For example, when we added well over a hundred new AP, honors, and advanced placement courses this past year, we did it by eliminating well over 300 totally irrelevant courses that the high schools had been offering students that had no relevancy to what was required to graduate or had no relevancy for students who were college bound or, for that matter, even on a career track. It is the same thing on the local school side. You go to the high schools and they would have department heads. They would have small school coordinators. There were like four or five -- it is not uncommon to go to a high school and find or 16 teachers in nonteaching positions in that school. 17 So when we -- as part of the high school reorganization we created a number of -- we eliminated a number of positions to free up money in the high schools for the other reforms, but we also created a number of new positions that replaced eliminated positions and put them under the direct control over the high school division so that we could focus on such things as curriculum instruction and professional development. 118

Councilman Nutter

I'm sorry. This division -- the department is called what, Office of Secondary --

Mr. Williams

Education.

Councilman Nutter

What is the budget for this office?

Mr. Williams

The entire high school budget, roughly it's about to $20 million. Wayne 10 is going to get some exact figures for you. 11

Councilman Nutter

This is your office? 12

Mr. Williams

That is the programmatic 13 money, grants and everything, yes, sir. 14

Councilman Nutter

What do the 30 15 people who are at the District do? 16

Mr. Williams

The offices are divided into seven different departments, and roughly I will tell you about each of them. The first department is our physical education and sports division, actually which handles physical education and sports for the entire district, K through 12. So there is an extension of more than just high school for that particular office. That office oversees all of the sports programs, all of the physical education, all of the 119 health programs, and the newly implemented drivers education program. The second office is the music office, which you talked about, performing arts office, and this particular office, the performing arts office, strictly focuses on performing arts, music, as it relates to ninth through twelfth grade. We have another office that focuses on instructional delivery. That is the office that the coaches report to. That is the office where we make sure that the new curriculum is being implemented. We have another office of curriculum development. They are responsible for developing the entire new high school curriculum that we have in place. We have another office of career and technical education, which are our vocational programs that are spread throughout the entire School District. What did I forget? We have an office of ROTC, which is the junior office of reserve training program in our high schools as well. We have the college and career awareness 120 office that deals with scholarships and readiness for college, all of the SAT and PSAT test taking and all of those things.

Councilman Nutter

Did you say earlier there was a career in technology, education division? What did you say about that?

Mr. Williams

Career and technical education, which is a form of vocational education.

Councilman Nutter

So it is career and technical education, and then there is a college and career awareness?

Councilman Nutter

Let me point out so that there is no confusion, these offices and divisions have always existed, but they were scattered within the bureaucracy. So, in other words, technology would be somewhere, vocational ed would be somewhere. There was no focus on curriculum instruction, at least from a central office standpoint. So one of the things that we did was we took all of high school's functions and we pulled them out of individual departments and we consolidated them into a single office, obviously not only for purposes of articulating the division 121 and implementing the program but also for accountability purposes. And, for example, we have now begun to do something similar in this year's budget for our middle grades initiatives because in the past no one has been responsible for middle grades. The middle grade functions are scattered among multiple departments. So the objective here was to take all of the high school programs from technology to career ed to honors to advanced placement to magnet programs to professional development, the academy programs, which were out there by themselves, almost a quasi-independent entity, and to consolidate them into a division of high school programs with a director of high school programs. I just wanted to point that out.

Councilman Nutter

I think my initial reaction to some of this is to just at least raise the issue of whether or not the central office is -- I mean, is it flattening out, or is it starting to rise again in terms of we seem to have a lot of people doing a lot of things that at least directly don't seem to have a whole lot to do with children and their direct education, and I'm just raising the 122 question that it seems that we have a lot of -- a significant number of people checking on what other people are doing.

Mr. Vallas

No, not at all. If you are going to have vocational ed, you need somebody to monitor and maintain the quality of those vocational ed programs. The School District had wiped out its AP honors and advanced placement courses in all of its high schools. Now we have honors and advanced placement. Somebody needs to be responsible for that. Most of these functions have always been in the school districts. They have been scattered among the individual departments. Let me point out that at least every year in the least three years the central office has been downsized. This year is no exception. We are now down to 1100. I think the central office had how many positions three years ago? I will give you the number. But the central office continues to decline and it will also continue to decline. But as part of that declining, we are not just cutting for cutting's sake; there also needs to be some radical organizational structure -- there needs to be some rational organizational structure, how the 123 office is set up. So having all of your high school functions decentralized among multiple agencies and among multiple departments is just not logical. There is no efficiency.

Councilman Nutter

So you are bringing them into one location and they are all under one roof?

Mr. Vallas

First of all, they were scattered, but Let me give you an example. The high school reforms have been funded through a combination of $15 million in new monies we programmed for the high school budget and $15 million in savings. The high school reforms are costing the District $30 million. What are those reforms? The revamping of vocational ed, the restoration of honors and advanced placement programs, the curriculum instructional forms, the capital instructional models themselves, putting professional development coaches at the local school level, but the bottom line is we had to reprogram 15 million in existing budget resources and then cut 15 million in order for the high school office and the division of high schools and the high school 124 programs to be effectively funded. So it has been a combination of budget cuts and budget reprogramming, but these functions the District already did. They simply were scattered among multiple departments and agencies.

Councilman Nutter

Why don't we do this: Maybe you can give me on a spreadsheet or whatever works, as long as you don't get Mike Harris and company to do it the same way as the budget book was put together. Why don't you show us over the past three years what the administrative costs have been, what the positions have been, and where these savings are? Now, do we have a set number on the Office of Secondary Education in terms of the budget of that office?

Mr. Vallas

His office is 6 million, okay, in the budget, but that is not exclusively positions. But I will ask Wayne Harris to break that out for you, but when you add the reforms like the AP honors, advanced placement, professional development, the capital, obviously the number gets a lot larger, but in terms of his immediate office I 125 think it is $6 million. I will get Wayne to break those out into personal services, contractual services, and things like that, and I will get you that.

Councilman Nutter

Okay. If you can just get it to me. Let me try to focus on two of the areas here. You have career and technical education and college and career awareness. What are we doing in the career and technical education area, and who is responsible now for what I guess used to be vocational education, and what programs are we actually offering to students?

Mr. Williams

Currently we have had an opportunity to come in and to restructure career and technical education based on the Perkins guidelines, which are established by the State. The programs that have been established in career and technical education include construction, business, health, transportation, communications and technology as well. We have approximately 179 of those programs spread throughout our high school district. In the 42 schools I guess that will give you an average of 126 maybe two or three programs per school. Obviously we have a number of schools that focus solely on career and technical education. We have four of those schools where the vast majority of the programs within those schools are career and technical education. Part of our philosophy of what we have attempted to do is to establish quality career and technical education within neighborhood schools. The current four to five career and technical education high schools simply cannot accommodate the number of kids who would like that training and/or who need and want that training. So within each of the high schools they have an opportunity to open career and technical education programs based on the guidelines that are established by career and technical education. And the umbrella of those programs are the ones that are included -- that I indicated to you. Under each one of those umbrellas -- for example, on the transportation --

Councilman Nutter

Are the umbrellas the six programs that you laid out?

Mr. Williams

Yes. Let me repeat them 127 and make sure you have them.

Councilman Nutter

Construction, business, health, transportation, communication and technology.

Mr. Williams

And hospitality.

Councilman Nutter

So it's seven.

Mr. Williams

Yes. So under each of those areas there are a certain number of programs. As an example, under transportation obviously there is auto body, automotive mechanics, and in some cases there could be diesel. We are trying to establish a diesel. So under each one of the broader categories there are a number of programs and the school elects those programs.

Councilman Nutter

So who is in charge of this office, the seven areas? Who decides what the curriculum is and how it is spread out whether it is 179 programs, 42 schools? Who is in charge of that?

Mr. Williams

Generally it involves, as we indicated, the division of career and technical education is headed by Roosevelt Brown. In that office we have established a policy, a program 128 approval policy. Any school desiring a career and technical education program makes application to the office to establish the program. In order to establish the program, the school has to meet certain criteria. Number one, they have to have certified staff. Number two, they have to have a dedicated room or laboratory for the respective program that they are inquiring about and, number three, they have to have established an advisory council, an advisory council which is made up of neighborhood businesses or businesses that may not be in the neighborhood but however are reflective to that individual career area. Once they meet those three criteria, we then will make sure that the program is up to speed, the program is up to date, that the equipment is ordered and the supplies are there, and that all of the components for it to meet state certification are in place. We have had an opportunity to come in and restructure that program over the last year and with that we had to obviously close out some programs that were obsolete but, on the flip side, to open some programs that are a little more up to 129 date.

Councilman Nutter

So you are saying all of the teachers involved in these programs are certified in their area?

Mr. Williams

Yes; they have to be industry certified in their particular area.

Councilman Nutter

If you could share with us through the Chair who the leaders of the various programs are and what their certification is, I would appreciate it. You said Mr. Brown is in charge of the seven areas?

Mr. Williams

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

In which is he certified?

Mr. Williams

Mr. Brown is actually a construction person, but that certification isn't needed for that particular position.

Councilman Nutter

I'm sorry. Say that again.

Mr. Williams

The person who oversees the project is an administrator in my office. The areas of careers, the seven areas, the certification is needed for the classroom teachers. 130

Councilman Nutter

Not for the person in charge?

Mr. Williams

That's correct.

Councilman Nutter

Well, how would he know if they are doing what they were supposed to? MR. WILLIAMS; how would he know that the teachers are doing what they are supposed to?

Councilman Nutter

Or the people who are in charge of the various programs.

Mr. Williams

The people who are in charge of the various programs are from those seven areas of certification, so the seven areas I have indicated, the people who oversee those programs have expertise in that particular area.

Councilman Nutter

And what is Mr. Brown's expertise?

Mr. Williams

Business as well as construction.

Councilman Nutter

Is that from the industry or from academia or what?

Mr. Williams

That is from the industry and academia.

Mr. Vallas

Mr. Brown is an exceptional administrator. The same things that have -- the 131 same rationale in creating that position or appointing him is the same rationale that school districts have used to bring CEOs in rather than traditional superintendents.

Councilman Nutter

Talking about college and career, where is that?

Mr. Vallas

I do want to add one footnote. One thing that was not included in Dr. Williams' remarks is in addition to these reforms, we have embarked upon a program of enrolling students -- I don't know if you mentioned this, Craig -- in vocational ed courses in community colleges, in programs like Devry, universities who do a credit as part of our Project Excel program. We are doing something similar with honors and advanced placement where we are enrolling our seniors in university courses for dual credit. This program, I don't know how many we have this year, but we hope that this program will rise into the -- in the coming years will exceed a thousand, but the objective here is to allow our students to go beyond just the modest vocational educational program that may currently exist in the high schools, although obviously we are looking at 132 improving those, but to where we can actually enroll them in bona fide certified vocational ed.

Councilman Nutter

Let's talk about college and career awareness. Who is in charge of that office?

Mr. Williams

That is headed by Mr. Roger Jackson.

Councilman Nutter

Roger Jackson?

Mr. Williams

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

And how many people are in that office?

Mr. Williams

I believe five.

Councilman Nutter

And what exactly do they do?

Mr. Williams

Their function is to provide all of the -- the Geroff function is to do a functioning office. It oversees the federally funded hero grant, that we previously talked a little bit about today. That is number one. Number two, it also oversees the state Geroff function. Number three, it oversees the college and career awareness of functions that we have in each of our high schools. When I say "college and 133 career awareness," I'm focusing on or talking about all of the programs that we have in place to begin to make sure that young people are applying for financial education, that they are taking the field trips to colleges, that they are doing the college fairs, bringing in the speakers, all of the series of activities that are necessary to expose them to colleges and make them aware of them.

Councilman Nutter

And from a previous hearing, is this also the office that is involved with the college scholarship issue?

Mr. Williams

Yes, it is.

Councilman Nutter

Do you recall whether the statistics on college counselors, are they supervised by this office as well.

Mr. Williams

No, they work with this office. They are not supervised directly by them.

Councilman Nutter

Who is in charge of the college counselors?

Mr. Williams

The high school counselors -- all of our counselors are supervised by the Office of Specialized Services.

Councilman Nutter

Is that within your office? 134

Mr. Williams

No, sir.

Councilman Nutter

How many counselors are there for high school?

Mr. Williams

I believe about 114.

Councilman Nutter

Some schools obviously have more than one?

Mr. Williams

Yes. We generally have a ration of about 1 to 500.

Mr. Vallas

Last year it was 1 to a thousand. And let me point out that the counselors are --

Councilman Nutter

You are moving in the right direction.

Mr. Vallas

Yes, I know, but there are still far too many. Let me also point out that the dollar amounts that we gave you for the high school office, those counselors would be funded out of the high school office numbers, so I want to reiterate that the budget that we laid out includes programs.

Councilman Nutter

You will show it, and again in that regard, what I would like to see over the past couple years is salaries and fringe benefits for the office. I would like to know any 135 new positions that have been hired in the past couple years as well as the cost. What will probably cover a significant portion of this is why don't you just give me the whole office for the past few years, all the people that work there, title, position, start date, salary. I'm tying to stay focused on the high school portion of this. The high school counselors now with a ratio of about 1 to 500, how often do they see a student?

Mr. Williams

We don't have an official number. We have created a survey with a student group. We do not have an official number.

Councilman Nutter

Is a student required to see a counselor any set number of times a year?

Mr. Williams

No, they are not.

Councilman Nutter

Could you go a whole year and not see your counselor?

Mr. Williams

Yes, you could.

Councilman Nutter

Why?

Mr. Williams

In the past, students, once they enter high schools, obviously to be programmed for high schools, they would talk to a 136 counselor, make selections and so forth. Once the student has made a selection in terms of what academic programs and/or occupational programs they want, because of the ratio that was exhibited in the past, it just made it feasibly impossible for them to have an opportunity to see their counselor on a regular and on an ongoing basis. What was established to assist with that is what we call in high school advisories, which means there is a period in the day, perhaps about 12 to 30 minutes a day, where high school students 13 would be with their adviser and have an opportunity 14 to talk about all of the preparations and all of the 15 things that were necessary. 16

Councilman Nutter

That's as a group, 17 isn't it? 18

Mr. Williams

Yes, that is as a group. 19

Councilman Nutter

And what would be 20 your sense of what goes on during the average 21 advisory period in the classroom everyday? How 22 often is the advisory? 23

Mr. Williams

The advisory in most 24 schools is every day. It is a scripted approach to 25 doing group counseling and group awareness and that 137 kind of thing.

Mr. Vallas

Just as we have moved to standardize the curriculum in the five subject areas including the arts, we are also moving to standardize the advisory. So what is done, what is taken up in the advisory, is descriptive. It is described. It is laid out, so that the advisories are covering areas of concentration that we want them to cover. We want them to be focusing on kind of our broad agenda.

Councilman Nutter

So if a student is not required to see a counselor at least once a year, and you are saying in the course of the school year could actually, if they wanted to, could avoid for whatever reason seeing a counselor, how many students does a counselor see? Is a counselor required to see any number or percentage of students on an annual basis?

Mr. Williams

Counselors right now -- and, again, I will check with our Office of Specialized Services to see what sort of anecdotal records they keep in terms of the number of times they see a student, which I know that they do keep some form of record. 138 It is possible -- and unfortunately it has been in the past and probably throughout school districts throughout the country -- that as a student you may or may not see your counselor one to three times a year. Unfortunately, because of the ratio and the numbers of students that we have in school that is very, very likely. That is why we have to create other programs that make sure that we expose children to the kinds of things that they need so that since the individual counseling is not as readily available as we would like, we can cover some things that you can do as a group and then make sure that young people are exposed to them.

Councilman Nutter

I hear what you are saying, but you have a position called school counselor, and what I'm hearing you say is neither the student has any requirement to see a counselor any number of times if they could, nor does the counselor have any requirement to see any number of students or any percentage of students. So how do you know what the counselors are doing or whether they are doing their job?

Mr. Vallas

First of all, they are evaluated just like teachers. We would love to set 139 a minimum number of students that the counselors would see, but given the fact that the counselors are overwhelmed with the number of students and probably, if they had the time, they would have to see three, four, five students a day specifically focusing on those individual problems, I mean the bottom line is counselors are evaluated. They are supposed to document the number of students they see. They are supposed to have records of when they see those students, and that becomes part of their evaluation process. But I don't think we set a minimum of --

Councilman Nutter

But if there is no 15 standard for the number of kids I have to see and I am a counselor and I said, "I saw who I could see" and "I sat in my office" -- I'm not saying anyone who do this hopefully -- but I sat in my office, put up a schedule, people knew that I was there and no 20 one ever showed up, how do you judge?

Mr. Vallas

Brenda Taylor, who manages the counseling program, she will come in. No, it is important for her to respond --

Councilman Nutter

I understand that.

Mr. Vallas

-- because you have raised 140 the question. Brenda will come out here and articulate all of the functions and all of the responsibilities that counselors have to perform, and I think you will see that they have very specific prescribed responsibilities, but the bottom line is -- Brenda? Let me ask Brenda if she can come forward. Brenda, the question that has been posed --

Councilman Nutter

Wait a minute. You can wait until she gets over here and give her a proper greeting. When you communicate the message slightly more quietly to her, I'm not making any allegation or charge as to whether people are working or earning their money. What I'm trying to understand is how do we enhance the students' contact or relationship. What additional grounding or foundation are we giving them as they try to figure out a whole host of things that are going on with them including what are they going to do with the rest of their lives. I'm trying to understand what do the folks do and what are the standards on either side. 141 There has to be a mutual obligation it would seem to me between the student and the counselor. Please identify yourself for the record.

Ms. Taylor

Good afternoon. My name is Brenda Taylor. I'm the officer of specialized services and in my office is the responsibility of counselors. With the decrease of counselor/student ratio with having counselors responsible for less students in the high schools and having these comprehensive student support liaisons working in the high schools with counselors, we really tried to decrease their responsibility in responding to crisis and being in a crisis mode and freed them up to really respond to children in career orientation and those kinds of areas. So this year we are really working on freeing them up for the crisis and the crisis response mode, but it continues to be a big issue in our high schools.

Councilman Nutter

Earlier -- and I think you were out of the room -- I was asking the question: It sounded like if you were -- you may not even have to be particularly creative. Students apparently can avoid seeing their -- I'm talking 142 about high school students -- apparently have no 3 requirement to see a high school counselor at any time and, similarly, the counselors don't have a particular responsibility --

Ms. Taylor

Counselors have assignments. Some high school assign counselors by grade; others by career academies. So counselors have assignments and they have a population. They have the information on the population that is assigned to them and they have the charge and the responsibility to connect with that population throughout the school year, be it in groups or meeting with the grade groups to look at the records and the concerns of those students. It may not be one to one, but they have the responsibility of overseeing the progress of the students that they are charged with.

Councilman Nutter

Are you anticipating any further reductions in the student/counselor ratio? And how do you get to a point of even if it were that you knew as a student you would have an opportunity to see your counselor, even if it was 20 hard minutes two or three times in the course of the year, again especially for seniors, even for 143 juniors, trying to figure out am I going to school beyond my senior year, where am I going, what are my choices? I mean, who else are they going to talk to about this? Obviously their parents, but the school counselor has a lot more information.

Mr. Vallas

Our approach towards dealing with the counselor deficiency -- and I'm speaking as a high schooler who saw his counselor once in four years and obviously was not better off because of it.

Councilman Nutter

You seem like you've done none too bad.

Mr. Vallas

Three years in community college can correct a lot of damage. So your point on counselors is well taken. There is certainly a deficiency in the number of counselors. In the ideal world we should have a 1 to 100 ratio because even 1 to 500 is -- I mean with -- but our approach is threefold. It is actually fourfold. Number one, let's take crisis intervention out of the hands of the counselors. As you know, we have done a lot of work in crisis intervention. We have crisis intervention teams in 144 the regions who go into the schools when they have hot spots. The whole objective is to free up the counselors from noncounseling activities and to have them focus on counseling. Because in the past counselors were NTAs, safety and security, you name it. They were a jack of all trades. So the first thing is to free up their time, and Brenda, I think, has touched on that. The second thing we have done is we have begun to reduce the counselor/student ratio, this year, this past year, from 1 to 1000 to 1 to 500. Whether we reduce it again will depend on what the final outcome from Harrisburg is, but we want to continue to gradually get those numbers down.

Councilman Nutter

Are there standards, I don't know, state or national standards in this particular area?

Mr. Vallas

There are. I'm not aware of what they are right off the top of my head, but I will get you the counselor on City schools ratio, counselor ration. The third thing that we are doing is cleaning up the advisories. Instead of the 145 advisories being a babysitting service, we want the advisories to be group counseling. That's why the advisories have very specific prescribed agendas. You know, this day it might cover testing. This day they might cover STD testing, sexually transmitted diseases testing. This month the advisories might be focusing on college applications or, for that matter, applying for a scholarship, things of this nature. So the whole idea is to script them. And, finally, the fourth thing worth citing, because, again, it is in the budget, has been to create in each of our high schools what we call student support centers, student support centers which are overseen by counselors but are not run or staffed by counselors, are staffed by what we call counseling interns. They are staffed by what we call the version of student teacher counselors. But they are staffed by social workers, staffed by university interns, and they are also staffed by City Corp, which incidentally has programs I believe in eight to ten of our schools and we have plans to put them in as many as two dozen of our high schools next year. 146 So the objective is you have your one-on-one counseling if you need it, number one. And, number two, you have your day-to-day contact with your advisories. Number three, you have your student support centers where you can go for help on tutoring for help, filling out applications to colleges, to get information about colleges, for help about how to apply for scholarships, things of this nature. So what we are trying to do is we are trying within a limited budget, within limited resources, to bring more counseling and social service support resources to bear in the schools. Again, it's not a complete substitute for a 1 to 100 counselor to student ratio, but, again, these are little incremental ways that we are getting our students more individualized support.

Councilman Nutter

Let me ask one last question in this general area. Whether it's college and career awareness or career and technical education, tell me a little bit about the partnerships, their relationships that have been developed over time or anything that's new with community-based or nonprofit organizations that help 147 put the reform agenda forward.

Mr. Williams

Councilman, what we had an opportunity to do about a year and a half ago was to put together a task force to deal with the entire reform high school package. We had about a hundred individuals to work with us very succinctly to develop what's become known now as the secondary education movement. As a result of that, those individuals, which consist of the parents, teachers, union members, universities including our own community colleges, businesses and other entities, they came together to work with us to identify what we believe were the urgent needs of high schools in terms of reforming them. We created as a result a strategic plan that we are implementing now. The groups who helped us prepare were instrumental in terms of giving us advice, in terms of giving us from their perspective what they felt the needs of high school students were. You get a different perspective from universities obviously. You get a different perspective from community groups. So we have a number from all of those individual areas that work along with us in the 148 capacity of community organizations. Communities in schools, Philadelphia academies, OIC, I didn't bring a list with me, but there are a number of organizations --

Councilman Nutter

You can get us a list?

Councilman Nutter

And tell us what the services are.

Mr. Vallas

I would also like to cite three examples of expanded responsibilities. Wherever we can, if there are quality legitimate community-based organizations and not-for-profits out there that are already in this field or already have a relationship with the School District, rather than creating a new bureaucracy, we operate within that bureaucracy. Now let me point out that we have worked with community schools in the public education fund, Philadelphia Public Education Fund, and the Philadelphia academies, to, in effect, jettison the programs that they run in the schools that are inefficient and to introduce programs that are more 149 efficient. But just to give you three examples, for example, with the community in schools, our cradle to the classroom program. This is our program where we identify pregnant teens and we assign them with parent advocates and parent trainers, and the goal here is to make sure the babies are born healthy and put in daycare and preschool and that the pregnant teens don't drop out. Rather than to create an infrastructure we are working with community schools infrastructure, the Philadelphia Public Education Fund. Our whole middle grades initiative in the conversions of K to A5 schools and K to 8 schools, that transition is being heavily -- community schools or Public Education Fund has taken the lead in making sure that the middle grades that are being added to those K to 5 schools and the middle schools themselves, that additional professional development is being provided. They are managing what we call our middle grade literacy interns. These are prospective teachers that are being brought in, and they are going to spend a year or two in the schools and then convert the classroom 150 teachers so we can reduce class size. The professional development that is occurring in the schools, the restructuring of the rosters, the preparation that the K to 5 schools need to make both on the capital and professional development side and the scheduling side, so that they can add sixth, seventh and eighth grade, we are not managing that inhouse. We are managing that through the Public Education Fund. So these are just a couple of examples of where we are working with existing community-based organizations or not-for-profit groups to come in and manage major programs for us. The academies, for example, are managing many of our new what we call neighborhood-based career education programs. Again, so where we have not been able to -- we don't want to reinvent the wheel, but these are some examples, and I could go into our partnership with the Red Cross and the creation of Red Cross clubs in our high schools, the Salvation Army, and our relationship with them. So we are partnering with anybody who has an infrastructure out there.

Councilman Nutter

Why don't you get us 151 a full package on that. I just have a few last questions. A representative from the District was here a couple weeks ago. We were involved in a big discussion about the scholarship program. We had a lot of that discussion earlier so I don't need to go back into that territory. I do want to thank you again for the black binder, again in contrast to the big white one. It see my good friend Michael Harris over there. I'm still trying to figure out how to work on this book. And I only mention him because I care about him so much. But it is very helpful to have this at-a-glance sheet, which gives some very pertinent information regarding the District. I would like to encourage you to make sure that as you update that you get a copy to the City's secretary of education. We went through a rather painful experience just a couple weeks ago trying to figure out how many students actually went to public school, and so in that regard what I wanted to ask you is: Do you have up-to-date information on statistics for graduation of twelfth grade students and college attendance, average SAT scores, that kind of 152 information? Who keeps track of that?

Mr. Williams

We do have some information. Obviously we can retrieve the PSAT and SAT scores for the past three to four school years. We can definitely get that information. The District did not have --

Councilman Nutter

That would be helpful. And could you chart them out year by year so we can see what the trends are?

Mr. Williams

Absolutely.

Mr. Vallas

The District prior to two years ago was not tracking its college graduates.

Councilman Nutter

How come?

Mr. Vallas

We have begun to track, but I can't go back three, four, five years and really give you with any degree of accuracy the percentage of students who enrolled in college or, for that matter, remain in college for four years.

Councilman Nutter

At this point -- and I'm glad that you are going to be doing that -- as almost a separate publication, as Councilwoman Blackwell mentioned at the graduations that she attended and many of us will be going to different ceremonies over the next month or so, it seems to 153 me, again, because there are a lot of people who like to talk about public education who may not actually know a great deal about public education, but that has never stopped them, this kind of information, which, unless you go to every graduation, you would never be able to figure out what is going on, and the students go and then the information actually dissipates into the air, it might be actually helpful for people who care about a public education to get -- almost if the District would put out some kind of -- I don't want to call it a report card. That's about the last thing that a high school senior wants to see, but how many people graduated, how many went to college, the breadth and wealth of the various schools that they go to, the kind of information that you hear at a graduation where we had 400 graduates, their total amount of financial aid was $8 billion or whatever the real number is. And if you did it across the system -- and I think it has really been a challenge. You obviously are able to articulate at about 78 RPM anything that anyone would want to know about the District, but for those who probably listen a little 154 slower, I think that the District's ability to really communicate a message of what is going on in the schools, the progress that kids are making, that many kids actually do graduate, many do go on to college, some go to the finest colleges and universities in the United States, if not in other parts of the world, and, again, unless you are at that particular graduation to hear about Jane or Joe or whomever, you would never know it. And so whether it is during the summer or at least by the fall when people are thinking about schools again, some kind of report as to what our students have done and what they have accomplished in an aggregate, I think tells a very different story than what most people would know.

Mr. Vallas

Full agreement. I agree with you a hundred percent. It should have been done many, many years ago. Let me point out that the SRC, and not to get ahead of the SRC, has laid out a number of categories that -- they have set out a number of goals for the District and they want the data reported in a manner that is consistent with those goals and objectives, and they focus on literacy, 155 academic achievement, number of students in honors and events placement courses, percentage of students graduating going on to college. The categories include equity because early on you asked a question about music teachers and art teachers. In other words, they directed us to develop an equity template that looks at class sizes, counseling ratios, et cetera, so literally every school will have an equity report card and you would be able to go to that school and say, "Do they have a gym teacher or music teacher? Do they have an honors and advanced placement course? These measures that matter, to refer to the list, also include safety and capital. So our mandate this year is to present an end-of-the-school-year report that lays out baseline data according to those measures. So I think when you see it, I think you will be pleased because it really does in principal what you have been requesting, and it is long overdue.

Councilman Nutter

Great. Two last issues: Safety in the buildings. There was a -- we went through a process a couple of years ago. We eventually figured out, I 156 think, what we wanted to do and ended up on the same side of the issue with significant leadership by my colleague Councilman Mariano, chair of the L & I committee. We passed legislation in this Council with regard to an annual inspection of school buildings which some thought was an incredibly onerous and burdensome process or procedure. Many of us felt that it was something that went to the heart of ensuring to parents that our buildings were safe for their children. Can you give us an update on what's happened in the, I think, two years since we passed that bill?

Mr. Vallas

Since the bill passed, we have completed 65 percent of the identified violations. An additional percent are in the 18 process of being corrected and there is a remaining 19 10 percent that have not been completed. 20 You know, all told, while we would like 21 to have gotten them done faster, I think the fact 22 that in such a short period of time we are close to 23 90 percent of the way complete on fulfilling that 24 mandate, I think is a testimony to Karen Burke and 25 her very capable, very able staff. 157 We anticipate by the end of the summer every single violation will have been corrected and then, like its investment in our new curriculum models, you make that heavy investment up front, but then just a modest amount of money will allow us to maintain. So, hopefully, once we have corrected everything -- and, once again, I think we are months away from completing everything -- we will have -- then it will just be a matter of us never allowing us to get into that serious situation again.

Councilman Nutter

Is there a full report that could be made available to the members with an explanation of the kind of information that you just shared?

Mr. Vallas

Yes, there is. In fact, it is by category and it is by building. So we will be able to identify what we did in each of the individual buildings.

Councilman Nutter

That would be helpful. Lastly, I know there has been some concern that when either the preliminary report or it could have been the final report from a couple 158 months ago came out, there were some attachments or a transmittal letter that seemed to indicate that some portions of the legislation were not necessarily going to be implemented, that someone else had other ideas about how things were going to be communicated or how things were going to be done. Have those issues be resolved?

Mr. Vallas

Yeah, I think so. My mandate and Karen's mandate has been get everything fixed and not debate whether or not this thing falls into the category. We will fix everything because I think -- first of all, I want to compliment the Council because I think the mandate was long overdue and we can now safely say it was like the drinking water mandate. A lot of people were debating whether or not, you know, the EPA had overstepped its bounds and whether or not these were really serious problems. Now we can say in all of our schools there is fresh drinking water. We have to get all of the fountains in all of the schools to that level. It is the same thing with these repairs. So we do not take an issue with the repairs, and, if you recall, when the ordinance was going through, we 159 did not oppose the ordinance. Now we are 90 percent of the way complete, and I think the public will have a lot more confidence in the quality of the buildings once we are a hundred percent of the way there.

Councilman Nutter

How many school buildings do we have?

Mr. Vallas

330 buildings, 264 schools excluding the charters, which bring us to about 300 schools, but we have 330 public school buildings.

Councilman Nutter

About how many of them are actual school buildings where students are every day? Is it 264?

Mr. Vallas

We occupy about -- there are 264 schools. Some have more than one building. So there are 264 schools.

Councilman Nutter

How many charter schools?

Mr. Vallas

I think there are 48 now. With the three additions, up to 48.

Councilman Nutter

Okay. So 264 and 48 is 312, and you are saying that there are 330. So there are 18 other school buildings that may be connected to some other 160 buildings; is that what it is?

Mr. Vallas

Yes, and in the 330 buildings I wasn't counting the charter schools. Those were 264 schools, 330 school buildings. Those would include gyms, annexes, additions, little red schoolhouses, Bartram branches. Like Bartram is one school and it has four branches, so that would include the Lankenaus that are part of Germantown and the Randolphs that are part of Dobbins.

Councilman Nutter

So if we take -- I don't want to have an argument about the numbers. 330 buildings plus 48 charters; 378 school buildings.

Councilman Nutter

Now, who is responsible at the building for general safety issues, maintenance, many of these schools naturally have heating and air-conditioning systems.

Mr. Vallas

The engineer.

Councilman Nutter

Do any of the schools have air-conditioning?

Mr. Vallas

About a hundred are air-conditioned. We are making progress there.

Councilman Nutter

I understand. I 161 understand.

Mr. Vallas

But the engineer has principal responsibility. Obviously the principal is in charge of everything, but the engineer has that on-the-job responsibility.

Councilman Nutter

How many engineers do we have?

Ms. Burke

We are budgeted for approximately 514; however, we have 47 vacancies. Part of the vacancies are made up by an apprentice class.

Councilman Nutter

So you have 467 filled?

Ms. Burke

That would be correct.

Councilman Nutter

Where do the apprentices come from?

Ms. Burke

For the most part, the apprentices have been drawn from the cleaning ranks out there. We have a cleaning classification called a cleaning leader. Those positions several years ago were red circled; that is, their wages were not allowed to increase because the District was reconfiguring its cleaning staff. However, they made available to people in the cleaning leader 162 title the ability to go into the apprentice classes. So, in essence, we have been creating our own building engineers through, I think, great training inhouse of people who already worked for the District.

Councilman Nutter

Hold on for a second. Is there a license or certification you have to have to be a building engineer?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir, you are required to have a license. It is a City license.

Councilman Nutter

A City license? You don't have to be like a certified engineer or have a --

Ms. Burke

Class A engineer's license.

Councilman Nutter

Class A engineer's license. This is based on a test that the City gives?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

Are all 467 of your filled positions -- do they all have a license, engineer's license.

Ms. Burke

Yes, excluding, of course, apprentices who have not sat for that license. 163

Councilman Nutter

And these individuals are responsible for major systems in the buildings.

Ms. Burke

Yes, they are. Well, they're responsible to the extent of the monitoring and preventive maintenance that they can do within their purview, so they are overseeing the heating system, if you will, but when repairs are needed of a major way, that goes to a centralized maintenance mechanics system.

Councilman Nutter

Are there any buildings that don't have an engineer?

Ms. Burke

No, I think they are all covered and some with multiple engineers if they are a high school.

Councilman Nutter

You have 514 positions, 47 vacancies, 467 that are filled and with your vacancies some are being covered by cleaning leaders who are going to apprentice class; is that it?

Ms. Burke

No. By training an apprentice has to be accompanied by a licensed engineer, so it isn't as if you take an apprentice and say, "Here. The school is yours." 164

Councilman Nutter

So you are saying there are no apprentices that work by themselves?

Ms. Burke

I'm assuming there are not. There could be.

Councilman Nutter

This is not an area that I think you want to assume.

Ms. Burke

I'm just jumping in here, but I will have to check for you. They should not be working for themselves.

Councilman Nutter

Do these folks work for you?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

You said they should not be working by themselves. How do we know that they are not working by themselves?

Ms. Burke

I'm going to ask that for you. They are apprentices until they have passed their exam.

Councilman Nutter

How long do you act in an apprentice capacity?

Ms. Burke

I think it is three years. Yes, three years.

Councilman Nutter

And tell me the difference between high-pressure and low-pressure 165 systems in buildings?

Ms. Burke

We don't have any high-pressure systems. Those were converted some time ago.

Councilman Nutter

Does ever building have to have a licensed engineer?

Ms. Burke

They do not, sir. They do not have to have a licensed engineer. I asked the law department on that. You will need engineering services on some of these buildings, but the requirement that someone sit in the building as a licensed engineer eight hours a day and so forth is not a requirement.

Councilman Nutter

Has it ever been?

Ms. Burke

Not to my knowledge.

Councilman Nutter

So you are saying the engineers are not at the building all day?

Ms. Burke

I'm saying -- I am saying that they would not have to be. For example, you could have --

Councilman Nutter

Well, are they presently?

Ms. Burke

Yes, presently we have an assignment that way, but you could have a rotating 166 assignment on engineering.

Councilman Nutter

What happens if something happens at the building and the engineer is not there?

Ms. Burke

We have relief engineers throughout the system. We have a central number. We have other engineers, and actually we have an adequate number of engineers.

Councilman Nutter

I hear what you are saying, but I'm also hearing something that you are not exactly saying because it sounds like you are going to a new phase at some point in time. You have been very careful to say they don't have to be there.

Ms. Burke

First of all, I don't want anybody taking this that we are hedging some kind of new assignment system on there. What I'm saying is if the question is legally must they be within the building, the answer is no. 21

Mr. Vallas

Let me point out that as we move forward and we build little branch high schools with 250, 300, 400 kids, you might have an engineer that could serve both of those buildings. The bottom line is you work within an existing budget, 167 you have to spend your money efficiently. You don't need a full-time engineer in a building with 250 kids every day of the school year. That does not mean that we are planning on doing something, but the bottom line is we certainly retain the option, particularly as schools get smaller. Also, I will tell you nationally, if you look at some of the big cities, you know, if you go to San Diego and you look at Chicago and you look at, for that matter, Pittsburgh and some of these others, you don't always have one engineer in that building all day. So, again, we are not planning a change in policy, but we certainly retain the option of having an engineer serve more than one building, particularly in cases where we have two or three or four of these very little, tiny schools where we have maybe 250 to 300 to 350 kids, and an engineer can easily cover both buildings, particularly since we no longer have these high-pressure boilers. So it is just a question of using our resources in the most cost-efficient manner.

Councilman Nutter

I understand the use of the resources. You know, I'm trying to keep track of the money. I guess my concern is it is 168 really back to the safety issue. I mean if I -- I don't -- obviously anything could happen in a school, and I understand on the one hand you said you don't have the high-pressure systems, but I mean there is at least, put the air-conditioning aside, I mean, most of the schools have boilers for heating?

Ms. Burke

Yes, sir.

Councilman Nutter

And they have to be set or adjusted or something has to happen to them?

Councilman Nutter

Is that on a daily basis?

Ms. Burke

Could be. There are also systems out there -- if you were going to build, you would build as smart as you could to put in boiler and heating systems that could have remote reads on them where you could set them remotely.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that, but unless you are really going to borrow about $20 billion you probably won't be remaking all of the schools, so, I mean, when a parent sends their kid to school, if it's one of the smaller schools, now you are telling me that there is not necessarily 169 going to be someone at that building to make sure that everything is in place correctly?

Mr. Vallas

First of all, you don't need somebody in that small building every day of the school year or, for that matter, every hour of every day of the school year because when you have engineers -- if you have an engineer that is going to serve more than one or two of these small buildings, you would expect them to visit the building, but just wouldn't camp out most of the time because there is just not a lot of responsibilities for them to do. The question is, is the lack of an engineer in a small building every hour of the school day every day of the school year putting the kids at risk. The answer is absolutely no. This is not something that is unique. I think this School District has been slow to come to the realization that you don't have to have a fixed, full-time person in every site, particularly as we move towards a much -- a school district with much smaller schools. The sharing of engineers may be something that we may want to retain the option of. And, again, it wouldn't affect a lot of schools. 170

Councilman Nutter

Is there some minimum number of engineers that the system will always need?

Councilman Nutter

Just for safety purposes?

Ms. Burke

Well, for safety and even more so for the maintenance of some of the equipment that you have in there and seeing that it runs appropriately because it is a utility issue as well.

Councilman Nutter

Right.

Mr. Vallas

I will tell you this though: We will probably spend upwards of $20 million on new boilers. Every major renovation or most of them will also include obviously renovations that impact the engineering responsibilities and obviously any new school built, whether it is an elementary or high school, will be state of the art.

Councilman Nutter

Understand my sensitivity here. I understand from a management standpoint you may not necessarily want or need a person of that high expertise to sit in the building every day for every hour that it is open. On the 171 other hand, you can cut back so much that between the things that need to be done daily and management of the utilities and the like, you could hurt yourself. Third, you know, we presently have -- and we don't have to go into all the details and there is no assignment of any issue here, but I have had the experience that at the Barry schools I think the boiler either flared up or blew up, something happened to it, and as a result we had no more school at that location. I will put aside any of my parental concerns with regard to the schools and just stay at a safety issue. Are there engineers at the charter schools?

Mr. Vallas

You know, I'm not sure. I don't think all the charter schools have a full-time, fully deployed engineer. I think the mandate is -- Jimmy, do you know? I don't know right off the top of my head.

Councilman Nutter

Why would a charter school be dealt with differently in this particular instance than a regular public school? 172

Mr. Lewis

Councilman, I don't know if you go to the Archdioceses schools, charter schools or public schools. You don't necessarily need a licensed engineer there. Some of your heating systems are, frankly, just like you have at home with a hot air furnace. A lot of our little schoolhouses are hot air ventilation and air-conditioning.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that, and if we had the Archdiocese in, I might be asking them. But for the moment I don't have them here; I have you here.

Mr. Vallas

I don't think the charters are subject to the same mandate -- I can get you an answer on that -- that the public schools are. For example, the charter schools --

Councilman Nutter

Charter schools are public schools.

Mr. Vallas

The charter law exempts them from a lot of the mandates that public schools are subjected to.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that.

Mr. Vallas

For example, teacher certification. They only have to have 75 percent of 173 their teachers certified.

Councilman Nutter

I understand that, but this is a building safety issue that should be across the District.

Mr. Vallas

I will get you an answer on that.

Councilman Nutter

Lastly, have there been layoffs with regard to maintenance staff at the buildings, school buildings?

Ms. Burke

There have not. What we did, sir, is we converted our positions to eight-hour positions. In the past the District had been staffed with a number of five-hour daily positions, and we believe that we want full-time cleaners in our buildings, so there has been a conversion to that.

Councilman Nutter

Have any people lost employment as a result of the conversion?

Ms. Burke

There has been no loss of employment now; however, we do have some five-hour employees, if you will, that have not converted to those positions, and they may be an excess.

Councilman Nutter

That was the most excellent explanation of what I think -- first they 174 didn't convert to the thing and then they -- I mean, are they working or are they not working?

Mr. Vallas

Through attrition we will trade out certain positions, but we have not laid anybody off. And one of the reasons that the School District has been managed so inefficiently is because it was staffed with five-hour positions as opposed to eight-hour positions because we were paying more for maintenance and custodial work, and the bottom line is that these budgets are not balanced magically. They are balanced because we have to make tough decisions. So we have not laid off any maintenance staff, but we have through attrition converted from five-hour positions to eight-hour positions, and that means the net number of individuals working in the schools has declined through attrition, not through layoffs, but now at least we have a work force and we have people working eight hours as opposed to five hours.

Councilman Nutter

Are they covering the same amount of area or job responsibility, the converted eight-hour people as compared to the five-hour? 175

Ms. Burke

The square footage?

Councilman Nutter

The whole building inside/outside, do they have the same responsibility?

Ms. Burke

Of course we are under discussion with 1201 on some job change parameters, but I would point out too that every step that we take is compared to national statistics on cleaning and the square footage cleaned in the district per worker is somewhat lower than it is nationally, meaning nationally you would go and find per worker something like 25,700 square feet and we are below at 24,000 in aggregate numbers.

Councilman Nutter

Okay. But you are going through a process on that?

Councilman Nutter

I would like to leave that where it is. This is my last question: About 10 or 12 years ago the City through its financial situation and with the assistance of the state created, at least for us, this new thing called a five-year financial plan, and I think the District in its documents usually gives us about a five-year 176 layout on the finances. What I would like to ask you, and I'm sure you have probably done this, although I have not seen it publicly, is there a five-year educational improvement or educational achievement plan that lays out in terms of your vision and the SRC the kinds of outcomes and progress and bench marks that we want to see children achieve? Let me take that back. That we want to -- because that will take us into old language that will make people's faces red. Just outcomes educationally, managementwise as well as the financials of the District. Is there a five-year education plan?

Mr. Vallas

Yes, there is, and the SRC will be making that public shortly.

Councilman Nutter

That was just a straight-up question I just made up at my desk.

Mr. Vallas

The answer is yes, there is a five-year plan with specific goals as set by the SRC.

Councilman Nutter

I would like to have Lee Whitaker and Hugh Allen up to the table, please. (Laughter.) 177

Councilman Nutter

I would like to ask them about the office -- that's fine. You know, it is like that commercial on television. Ask Paul Vallas a question and ask Lee and Hugh. It is just priceless. So I will leave it at that. I am finished, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Mcpherson

Councilman Mariano.

Mr. Mariano

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Back to the boiler questions, I might have missed some of this, so forgive me. How many high-pressure boilers are left, Karen?

Councilman Mariano

So you don't need an engineer at any of these buildings?

Ms. Burke

Not for that purpose.

Councilman Mariano

So there is none of those left. The Councilman was asking you questions about apprentices. Let's bring this thing to a simple term. We have a school somewhere, a small school, and it is not a high-pressure boiler, so someone could be there maybe in the morning to check it out, go somewhere, and come back, go to another school. He or she gets in her car and rides to 178 another school close to there, or they go from North Philly to Southwest Philly?

Ms. Burke

I have seen it work -- certainly it hasn't been tried in Philadelphia, but, for example, you could group buildings under a certain square footage. Let's just say it is under 50,000 square feet, 30,000 square street. Nobody is quibbling with the larger size building and the presence of a building engineer being there. Incidentally, they are some of our finest workers out there, so we're not implying anything on that, but we have seen systems where you have gone to the smaller square footage buildings. I start in the morning very early. I go to the first building and it is fine. I go on to the second building, yada, yada, stay the day at the final building.

Councilman Mariano

For instance, the oldest public school that I'm familiar with is Francis Hopperson School. I don't know. That is near my house and it has been there forever, and I didn't go there, but I felt like I did because I was in the school yard most of my life, but there was a guy there all the time growing up and into my teens 179 and into my twenties, thirties, forties, all the way through. And now there is probably -- that's not a high-pressure boiler anymore, right? And is that a big school or a small school?

Councilman Mariano

So he could be there three or four hours and maybe go to Feltonville for a while and hopefully not stop at the bar on the way? (Laughter.)

Ms. Burke

Yes. I would say too that you have to kind of look at the talents of an engineer and what we expect beyond the heating systems. These are big schools, a number of them with grounds, lighting systems, some ceiling tiles out there, so a school is a big job out there, and I think it is more kind of case by case. The bigger the school, the obvious the presence helps.

Councilman Mariano

When you say a lighting system and ceiling tiles, I mean what is the worst that could happen that an engineer couldn't handle? The electricity goes off and he finds out what is happening and it is either inside or outside the building. He is not an electrician, 180 so he just calls someone and the District has an electrician has an electrician that would go up there?

Councilman Mariano

And say the main blew or whatever?

Ms. Burke

I should point out too that we also have a contingent of relief engineers out there, and then we have a manager, facility area coordinators who all hold licenses.

Councilman Mariano

What does Jimmy Lewis do? I'm trying to figure that out. (Laughter.)

Councilman Mariano

Can I call him at 2:00 in the morning?

Mr. Vallas

Nothing until today. (Laughter.)

Councilman Mariano

I have his cell phone number.

Ms. Burke

Actually he works night and day.

Councilman Mariano

One of my main concerns -- and this is the last thing I will ask you -- because I was really intrigued with what the 181 Councilman was asking you because right away you want to think that we probably can't handle whatever is going to happen, and it is probably the opposite; you probably can handle everything within an hour or so. But the apprentice thing really concerns me. Is there a case where someone -- you know, I was an apprentice, but I wasn't an apprentice engineer, so I don't know. I have an idea what they do. I'm not quite sure. But I wouldn't want to have an apprentice, being a journeyman electrician, and seeing an apprentice electrician come with the responsibility for life, safety issues. That doesn't happen, right?

Mr. Lewis

Councilman, I don't think if you go anywhere in our buildings between the months of October and April that these schools are not manned with licensed engineers. These schools are 65 years or older, and we keep them safe and we keep them running. I think our guys from Local 1201 do a great job.

Councilman Mariano

When you do these new buildings, they will probably be where you can monitor them from a central location as far as all 182 of the air-conditioning, heating?

Councilman Mariano

They will be air-conditioned, right?

Mr. Vallas

Yes, all of them, and in the rehabs, the major rehabs, they will be air-conditioned.

Councilman Mariano

So you will be able to monitor that from a central location.

Ms. Burke

You could.

Councilman Mariano

I don't know where that is, but you will do that maybe. And I suppose by then you will have the whole School District in a little office up the street there. But that's what is going to happen.

Mr. Vallas

They will be modern buildings and efficient, and the whole objective is to build a building that is very environmentally and financially efficient.

Ms. Burke

That is not to say too that your engineers don't need the opportunity of more class work on these certainly computerized, more sophisticated tools, and we sense that that is the future. 183

Councilman Mariano

Again, this is my last, last question. Is there anyone that would graduate, say, from a public high school in Philadelphia, go to maybe one of the technical schools here and out-of-school work program and comes back to work in the School District? Is there anything as far as the engineers go? We did have that in the past. Is that still going?

Ms. Burke

It is funny you should mention that. That is not still going with the engineers. What is with the engineers, as I mentioned, is that we had cleaning leaders out there of sufficient numbers that wanted to be building engineers, and we were delighted. We are looking into -- actually, you asked if he does anything, the guy over here. We are looking into this summer at our apprenticeship programs for our students. We are looking at it in two trains of thought. One is your maintenance mechanic line of getting kids in young enough to see if they would like to go into the trades and then getting experience. Oddly enough, we are having trouble recruiting on the mechanic side. So kids are great for us. 184 Down the pike as the cleaning leader ranks withdraw or the apprentice class goes down, we will once again be thinking about in that category kids working their way into apprentice jobs. The last job I had, that is how they attracted and trained all of their engineers, was out of their schools, and they all went into a three-year program.

Councilman Mariano

Thank you very much. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Mcpherson

Does anybody else have any questions for this witness? Thank you. The next witness is Mr. Jordan from PCCY.

Mr. Jordan

Good afternoon, City Council Members. My name is Aldustus Jordan, testifying on behalf of PCCY about the School District of Philadelphia's proposed budget for Fiscal Year 2005. In general, PCCY supports many of the District's proposed initiatives for the upcoming school year; however, we would like to voice a huge 185 concern for the Council to consider before approving their budget. In regards to the District's academic proposals, PCCY supports the proposed continuation of the extended day, summer school and beacon School programs. We have advocated for years for the expansion of programs that provide students with important academic and social supports. We also strongly support the proposed expansion of advanced placement and honors courses to high school studies especially in neighborhood high schools. For far too long the District has institutionalized low expectations for some students by not offering to all children challenging courses and programs which are essential to preparing students for post-secondary education. We are also pleased to note that the District has not proposed any additional changes in its early childhood programs and support the District's planned expansion of its Head Start offerings. We continue to believe that all the early childhood programs make an important contribution towards improving children's school 186 readiness. Over the long-term these programs will assist the District in achieving its goals for student achievement and compliance with the No Child Left Behind Act. In regards to the proposed reorganization plans, PCCY supports the District's commitment to renovating decades-old school buildings, the building of new high schools and reducing the size of existing high schools. However, we strongly advocate for students, parents, and communities to have a meaningful role in the development of curriculum and programs at these schools. In the area of safety and security, we support the District's plans to maintain the SMART program, the District's partnership with the Department of Human Services to expand the number of behavioral supports in schools and other initiatives aimed at reducing truancy. However, we have a number of concerns related to the expansion of alternative schools. Number one, there has been no formal evaluation of the effectiveness of the existing alternative schools. Before the District expands a 187 number of alternative school slots, it needs to make sure that students already assigned to these alternative locations are showing academic and behavioral improvements. Number two, the District has done an inadequate job of monitoring and supporting students after they leave alternative settings and transition back into regular public schools. The School District must provide appropriate after-care and transition supports for these students as they navigate the reentry process into schools. Finally, we support the District's commitment to achieving equity in every school so that all children have a fair chance to learn and excel. We support a number of the proposed initiatives to narrow the achievement gap including class size reduction in the early grades, new textbooks and materials, the creation of programs to encourage more parental involvement, increased professional development for teachers, and expansion of music and art programs. However, we have grave concerns about the inequitable distribution of certified and experienced teachers across District schools. 188 Despite the District's best effort to attract and retain high quality teachers for all children, the fact remains the schools with the highest concentration of poor minority students continue to be taught by the highest number of inexperienced and uncertified teachers. PCCY strongly recommends that the District rectify this problem by providing significantly more supports and incentives to the teachers in the hardest-to-staff schools.

Mr. Jordan

This is a strategy that has worked in other big-city school districts such as New York, Charlotte-Mecklenburg and Baltimore. Those cities succeeded in boosting student achievement and increasing the number of certified and experienced teachers at the most challenging schools. These strategies they used should be adopted here in Philadelphia. By creating an equitable learning environment, the District would demonstrate its commitment to the ideals of fairness and equal access embodied in the landmark Brown versus Board of Education decision of 1954. Today, as we observe the 50th anniversary of the Brown decision, PCCY urges the 189 District to implement the often costly but essential initiatives that will give all students access to certified and well-supported teachers and the best possible opportunity to achieve success in school and in life. Thank you.

Mr. Mcpherson

Thank you. This committee will stand in recess until 4:30 today. (The hearing recessed at 2:10 p.m.) 190 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262

Council President Verna

This is the continued public hearing on the School District Bill. MR. McPHERSON: 040259, 040260, 040262.

Council President Verna

Our first witness. MR. McPHERSON: William Mackey.

Council President Verna

Mr. Mackey, please approach the witness table, identify yourself for the record, and proceed with your testimony. Mr. Mackey, please identify yourself for the record and proceed with your testimony.

Mr. Mackey

Hi. I'm William Mackey, M-a-c-k-e-y, Executive Director, City-Wide Youth Agency. Good afternoon.

Council President Verna

Good afternoon.

Mr. Mackey

Okay. We'll be brief. I'm going to ask these three young people to say a few words, please. Thank you. 191 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262

Ms. Harris

Hello. My name is Natalie Harris, and I'm a senior at Multicultural Academy Charter School. And I have been involved with City-Wide for four years. And City-Wide is a great program. We do many different community service activities. We are in different divisions, such as computers, arts and culture, arts; taking all the stuff like that. And we do community service activities such as walks like the A.I.D.S. walk; and we do, like, cleaning up and stuff. Is anybody listening? Okay. And City-Wide is a great program because my sisters... I have two sisters who went to City-Wide. And one graduated from Millersville, like, two weeks ago; and one is attending Albright College. And she's a sophomore there. And they really helped -- City-Wide really helped them get through college. They gave them the right tools to get there. And I'm going to attend Arcadia 192 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 University in the fall. And they helped me, like, giving me scholarships; and just, like, giving me schools -- talking to me, giving me counsel on what I should do. And anybody that closed City-Wide down is crazy, because City-Wide is a great program. So, you should just continue to give us funds to let it go on, to help other youth in the City. Thank you.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Our next witness, please.

Mr. Hardy

Hi. Yes. My name is Kashif Hardy. And I'm currently the Community Service Coordinator of City-Wide Youth Agency. I came up through the program. Been in the program for nine years. And it helped keep me off the street. Taught me great people skills, business skills. And I currently help youth go out into the City to do cleanups, lots -- lots -- fix up lots, architectural designs. And it's just the funding for 193 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 City-Wide is not like it used to be. So, we just need more funds for us and other after-school programs throughout the City. We really need funds. And we would like for City Council to put us under their budget, if it's possible, because we just need more funds so we can expand our program. We have a miniature golf course. We currently need funds for that. We just need funds for various things that we're doing, so we can continue on and just grow bigger. Thank you.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Next witness.

Mr. Rogers

My name is Anthony Rogers. I'm currently a student at City-Wide Youth Agency. I attend William Penn High School. I'm in freshman year. And if it wasn't for City-Wide, I don't know what I'd be doing right now. I'd probably be running the streets or something. 194 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 City-Wide taught me a lot, such as leadership, and business, stuff like that. And City-Wide just needs funds for events and everything, because without events City-Wide would not be as fun as it is.

Mr. Mackey

Hi. Good evening. Yes, ma'am.

Council President Verna

Go ahead.

Mr. Mackey

In our close, I just want to say that, you know, for the last 12 years we have had the pleasure of coming before City Council and bringing some of our young people. This is some of our young people from City-Wide who attend today. Will you please stand up. (A number of youth complied with request.)

Mr. Mackey

And we're really proud of these young people because there's many other things they could be doing in the evening and/or Saturdays than coming. So I really want to tell Council, thanks for giving us the time to present. 195 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 But in the package, we have a fact sheet in here on a proposed plan that we have started talking to the City of Philadelphia School District about. And that's about developing our charter school for many kinds of young people. And I just want to say to the School District, this is a different School District today than we have seen in the presence... It's more accessible, they responsive. And I just want to say it's inclusion with them. And I know times is hard around -- in the City of Philadelphia and budget wise. But City-Wide Youth Agency never ever, ever been written into the City Council budget. And I think, as times get hard, that groups that really produce the work need to be -- need to be included in the Council budget. We doing the work. And many people have -- Many Council folks have come out to 196 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 witness our work. We have a full developed proposal to take out our miniature golf course at 10th and Cecil B. Moore and build our charter school with many other partners. We just -- We just don't understand how we are not now --

Council President Verna

Mr. Mackey, I don't mean to interrupt you.

Council President Verna

But where do you presently get your funding from?

Mr. Mackey

Right now... Right now we receive three small grants. One is from the Mayor's Children Investment Strategy. We receiving a small grant from the Philadelphia Activity Fund, and a small grant from the Philadelphia Youth Net. A couple years ago we were receiving funds from the state as well. We haven't received state funding right now. And I don't know if it's because the tug of war that's going on between this place and that place. And really, that's none of my 197 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 business, but it is a concern. I mean, this is the all-time low for funding at City-Wide. It hasn't never been like this since we started. We started our year-round program in 1992. And I want to the late Congressman Blackwell office, and things started happening for us. I'm telling you now, it's some scary times up at City-Wide. It is scary times for us right now. These tokens that it took us to come down here, the staff had to reach in their pocket to buy these tokens today. We never had times like this. And so... And we still doing the work. We have a lot of young people still involved in the program, and it's hard times for us. And I am speaking to our Council person about it, Councilman Clarke. But I think... You know, we receive kids from all over the City. And we need help.

Council President Verna

Very well. 198 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 Are there any questions or comments from members of the Committee? We hear what you're saying, Mr. Mackey.

Mr. Mackey

Thank you;

Council President Verna

You're welcome.

Mr. Mackey

My last statement is, I would ask this Council to please sit down with the Executive Branch and figure out a way to help us help our program going and our young people to keep maturing. This is a young lady here... This is a third generation student of ours right here. This is a third generation student, right? This one been with me for nine years. Right? Charlita Hardy who was a staff -- Stand up, Charlita. Charlita been with me forever. She's a staff, right? Nicole, please stand up. Please stand up. She's been with us. I mean, if I go down the line -- and 199 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 I don't want to take up time -- that all these young people been with us. And we produce. It's no... We don't camouflage anything at City-Wide. So I just want to say, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. And I just need full consideration.

Council President Verna

Thank you very much, Mr. Mackey.

Mr. Mackey

Have a good day. And this is a good School District that we have today. Thank you.

Council President Verna

Just a minute, please.

Councilwoman Blackwell

Mr. Mackey, I just wanted to say thank you. It was a great banquet you had approximately a month ago, well attended by all. We appreciate the job you do with and for the youth of our City.

Mr. Mackey

Councilwoman, I just want to say to you that if our Godfather was here, he would reach deep and make it 200 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 happen. So I'm going to ask you to dig deep and help make it happen. Thank you. Have a good day.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Our next witness. MR. McPHERSON: Kevin MacAfee.

Council President Verna

Good afternoon. Kindly identify yourself for the record and proceed with your testimony. MR. MacAFEE: Good afternoon.

Council President Verna

Good afternoon. MR. MacAFEE: Need a higher chair here. My name is Kevin MacAfee, Kevin Mark MacAfee. I'm a building engineer for the School District of Philadelphia with 18 years of service. 19

Council President Verna

Please 20 proceed. 21 MR. MacAFEE: First of all, I'd like to say, while attending a Local 1201 union meeting on March 11, 2004, I obtained a preliminary copy of the School District of Philadelphia Employee Code of Ethics. 201 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 During my years of service with the School District, this is the first time a Code of Ethics policy has been adopted and implemented into the District. A few years ago I had the opportunity to participate on a diversity committee to try to establish policy regarding inequitable labor practice within the District. However, our attempts were short lived. Upon complete reading of the Code of Ethics document, I do not believe that it will fully address the present complexity of problems that exist within the School District of Philadelphia. It appears systemic practice, relating to hiring, promotion, retention, training, testing and job posting are not done in a manner that is consistent with transparency, integrity, impartiality, respect, and public confidence. Present practice continually promotes social discrimination and racial bias, which is deeply ingrained within the 202 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 system. To make you aware of situations that I can personally verify and support are, unfair hiring practice. This is done through social promotion. It is a known fact throughout facilities and operation, your participation involving certain Anglo-Saxon organizations increases your chances of being promoted to middle and upper management positions. While these actions have created such disparity and the lack of opportunities for African Americans, women, and other minorities, it has also lowered the chances for qualified, competing, experienced personnel to apply for these positions. To validate my statement are as such: Currently out of 75 management positions, 65 positions are held by Caucasian men, 7 by African American men, 2 by Caucasian female, and by an Hispanic 25 male. 203 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 Caucasians are given an advantage when placed in an acting management position. They are allowed experience and test prep help before they apply and test for the permanent position, in preference to others applying for the same job. This move gives a distinct advantage when competing for competitive career advancement. Over the last few years, only one African American was placed in an acting management position. This individual served 11 months in that position and reverted to his former position. Another individual affiliated with an Anglo-Saxon organization took his place. Also, there were two other African American men who worked in management but left the system prematurely because they did not feel they received the same amount of support as Caucasian co-workers to produce an efficient job. These acts are not uncommon throughout the Facilities and Operations 204 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 Department of the School District of Philadelphia. Just taking a closer look, the evidence will be very clear. My request to City Council today is to seek help in assuring of the following: Please look into and study the matter diligently. Document your specific findings. Prescribe set standards and practices, follow and govern, monitor and ensure implementations of a performance criteria that can be verified, all within meeting the necessary standards of state and federal laws. I am sure there's not a Council member present who would continue to allocate additional funding to an organization or government agency which festers in blatant discrimination, without assuring corrective measures and practices be put into place. Thank you for this opportunity to appear before City Council with my 205 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 concerns, and earnestly anticipate a favorable outcome in the near future.

Council President Verna

Thank you so much. There are any questions or comments from members of the Committee? The Chair recognizes Councilman Ramos.

Councilman Ramos

Thank you, Madam chair. And thank you, Mr. Kevin MacAfee, right? Am I pronouncing your name right? MR. MacAFEE: MacAfee.

Councilman Ramos

I've had the opportunity over the years to see you in community meetings and meetings of the School District. And you have always spoken your mind. Are you saying here that particularly African Americans are purposely left out of upward mobility management decisions in the School District? MR. MacAFEE: Yes, I am.

Councilman Ramos

And what have -- 206 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 What have you -- And you're still employed by the School District; is that correct? MR. MacAFEE: Yes, I am.

Councilman Ramos

Can you talk to us a little bit more about what measures you have taken to address this concern of yours? MR. MacAFEE: Well, I don't believe it's my job to take measures to address these concerns. I'm doing a community service to bring this to the forefront to Council. And I have also -- But if you want to get into what I have personally done, even though it's not my job, I have spoke before the School Reform Commission on this issue. Yes, I do appreciate the -- the door opening of Mr. Vallas, and in setting up meetings to discuss these issues and trying to correct them. But as I explained to Mr. Vallas and the School Reform Commission at that time, I am not planning on stopping at that level. I will continue to speak about this 207 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 issue until -- until drastic changes are taken place.

Councilman Ramos

What kind of response have you gotten? I mean, you spoke before the SRC. And did they say they would conduct an investigation to see if your allegations were founded? I mean, has anything like that happened? You're union. I know that you've been a member of 1201 for a while. I mean, has the union looked into this on your behalf as a member that feels that you've been denied, you know, promotions, and so forth? MR. MacAFEE: Well, first of all, let me make it clear. I personally haven't been denied for promotion. I personally haven't.

Councilman Ramos

Or your peers? MR. MacAFEE: I haven't seeked promotion in management because of how this system have ran over my 21 years in the system. I do not believe it gives a fair 208 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 opportunities or support for African American in such jobs, and because of the way the jobs are attained. Most of the jobs are attained through social involvement of ethnic groups or ethnic organizations. This is done through -- through your associations with different people. You are hand-picked and placed in managerial positions. This why the opportunity doesn't exist for African Americans to move into these positions, because most of these -- most of these ethnic organizations aren't organizations that have African Americans as numbers. They may have African Americans as honorary members. But to me, it just doesn't open up the door. I believe it is -- it is manipulated to the extent where it continues to add such a shadow over the School District of Philadelphia; not just the School District of Philadelphia but also over the City of 209 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 Philadelphia. It's -- It's -- It's -- It's very much in comparison to -- to the contracts that were given to 96 percent white male within the City of Philadelphia. So, this -- these actions are systemic within the City of Philadelphia. And I'm doing my community service by speaking up on these issues, and trying to put forth an effort in creating change. It -- It -- It -- It is definitely needed within the School District of Philadelphia. We cannot continue to hire people based on social promotion. The School District starts off its web site by saying, we are affirmative action employee. They are affirmative -- affirmative. They affirm the action of nepotism. They affirm the action of patronage. They affirm the action of discrimination. So they are affirmative action employee. But they have not affirmed the actions to allow African Americans to move 210 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 up into such jobs. And this is beginning to be such an issue with myself. And it should be an issue with City Council. It should be an issue with the Reform Commission. And it should be an issue with the state legislators, who will be my next step. Because this issue must be dealt with, and it must be dealt with, you know, in a time manner that shows that change is coming about. We cannot continue to live in a society that does not offer the opportunities to African Americans to advance or promote in jobs, African American or any minority. You know, not just to mention in a managerial position, but let me give you some numbers. With these individuals, Caucasians are placed in these managerial positions that oversees probably about 75 to 80 percent African American work force, you know. So -- So, where is the disparity -- 211 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 You know, where is the equality there? You have a managerial system that is 75 percent Caucasian, and then you have a work force that is 75 percent African American. You know, the opportunity doesn't exist. Not only that. Right now you probably have one female in the Maintenance Department. Okay. Out of about 350... Between 350 to 400 maintenance mechanics, so it doesn't open up opportunities for female. It doesn't open up opportunities for Hispanics. You have one Hispanic in a supervisory positions, and you are very limited in Hispanics within the work force. It doesn't open opportunities for Asians. You know, Facilities and Operation is a -- is a cancer that have created such blatant discrimination. And it needs to be dealt with. You know, so that's the issue I'm on. And this is not an attempt for me to be placed or to receive a job. I am not here for personal gratification.

Councilman Ramos

212 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 I do not see myself looking to go into a managerial position because of the way the system have ran and because the system continue to run because of the blatant discrimination, the blatant racism that goes on within the system. That is not my objective here. My objective here is to see and to seek change, and to put -- to put out in the public and to let the public know that this is a humiliation, not only for the sort of School District of Philadelphia, but it is a humiliation to this City, to this Commonwealth, and to this country. You know, we talk about affirmative action, but I think people have lost sight of what affirmative action was for. Over the years we have continued, have preferential treatment. So when people talk about affirmative action, I don't like to say affirmative action. I like to say fair treatment, okay, instead of affirmative action, because like I said, we have had affirmative action. 213 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 We've affirmed nepotism. We've affirmed patronage. We have affirmed cronyism. We've affirmed discrimination. So I don't even like to use the word affirmative action. I want to see fair action. I want to see equal action, equal opportunities for African Americans and Latinos, and other minorities, for women to be able to move over into another area, other than having to be cleaning the school. Why can't they pick up a tool? This is the only organization I know that doesn't open up uncommon jobs for women. You know, it's pathetic. Over the years in the system, one female in the maintenance operation, maintenance department? One? You know? And some of the women -- Some of the women that are cleaning in buildings, they're cleaning at late hours. Okay. So, they don't have the opportunity because even though it is put out there for them to move over to positions, because of the 214 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 systemic cancer that exists within the system, it doesn't really open a door for opportunity for them to move over there. And that department itself is about 80 percent Caucasian. So it -- Not only does it limit the opportunity for -- for -- for -- for -- for other groups to move in or gender to move in, it also limits the opportunity for ethnic -- different ethnics to move in. And this is done because that's the most allocated amount of money that is given for overtime. So -- So, it's -- it's a cancer that must be taken out, it must be changed, and it must be changed as expediently as it possibly can. It just can not -- And I stress -- I can not stress more, it can not continue to go on like this any longer.

Councilman Ramos

Sir, you mentioned -- Just one last question. You mentioned or made reference to ethnic organizations that promote non minorities. What do you mean by that, an outside 215 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 organization recommends a promotion? I mean, who are these ethnic organizations that you refer to? MR. MacAFEE: Well, you know, I'm not trying to get personal on... Let me say this --

Councilman Ramos

Are you saying that there's outside organizations that have a say on the promotions of people that are not minorities, and particularly in the maintenance and the building care aspect of the work that goes on in the School District? MR. MacAFEE: Well, in a sense, yes, I am. But let me say this first. I personally --

Councilman Ramos

So outside organization are having a say; is that what you're saying? MR. MacAFEE: Yes. Let me say this. I personally --

Councilman Ramos

Are they social organizations, political organizations? MR. MacAFEE: Social. I believe -- 216 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262

Councilman Ramos

What was your answer? MR. MacAFEE: I said ethnic -- social, ethic organizations.

Council President Verna

Who are they? Who are they?

Councilman Ramos

I mean, give us -- MR. MacAFEE: Let me finish, and I'll explain. I believe different ethnic organizations -- ethnic people need to be able to express themselves and be proud of their ethnicity. And there's no problem in forming such organizations. And I will name them, such as the Emerald Society, The Knights of Columbus, The Sons of Italy. You know, I have no personal problem or vendetta against these such organizations. I think it's an encouragement for different organizations to come together as a group and to try to promote the uplifting of their individual 217 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 or ethnicity. But my problem is, when these such organizations manipulate the system, where it does not open up the doors to African American, that's where I have the problem at. I have the problem because there's no -- There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. And I'm a firm believer. I am African American, and I am proud of who I am. You know, as James Brown said, I'm black and I'm proud, you know. And there's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. But when you manipulate a system to the form of creating such disparities, where African Americans and other minorities aren't allowed to promote in certain areas, that's a problem. I have a problem with that. I have a problem with that. And that's what I mean by ethnic organizations.

Councilman Ramos

Thank you, Madam 218 Whole - 5/17/04 - Bills 040259, 040260, 040262 President.

Council President Verna

Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments from members of the Committee? (No response.)

Council President Verna

Thank you very much. Do we have anyone else to testify? Do we have any other witness that would like to testify? (No response.)

Council President Verna

Seeing none, this Committee will stand in recess until tomorrow at 1 o'clock. Thank you very much. (Hearing concluded at 5:10 p.m.) 219 CERTIFICATE I HEREBY CERTIFY that the proceedings and evidence are contained fully and accurately in the stenographic notes taken by us upon the public hearing of The Philadelphia City Council, taken on May 17, 2004, and that this is a true and correct transcript of same. _____________________________ CYNTHIA A. WHYTE, RPR Notary Public _____________________________ DAVID A. DEIK, RPR and Commissioner of Deeds (The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means, unless under the direct control and/or supervision of the certifying reporter.)