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ZBA Hearing - July 16, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jul 16, 20255h 36m

what a proposed menu is a you know just preliminarily a chicken dish some vegetable

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dishes some starches some kind of potato and or rice um a vegetarian option and you know

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it'll rotate it won't always be fixed okay so the other question the when i look at the plan

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And it's only seven feet by 13 feet.

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So you're only going to be able to get maybe about three people, four people in there at one time, in and out, right?

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How are you going to deal with one of the statements that one of the residents said that this will stop loitering?

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I don't know that having the takeout restaurant is going to stop loitering if loitering is an issue.

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How are you going to, what's your proposal to deal with that?

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Well, I plan to have more lighting.

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I think the lighting will help.

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Um, I've been talking to the neighboring business about, um, putting some lighting

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out and, you know, if it became more of an issue, hiring, uh, security to ensure that

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that doesn't happen.

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And also the use of signage because currently there is none.

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Um, but I've been out there in the community, I've been talking to people and I do think

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that, um, when people start seeing the activity in the revitalization, just the aimless hanging

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around will, will cease.

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what's your proposed hours

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for the for the restaurant

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this gas station is open

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yes so maintaining the same hours

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the food would probably stop around

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10 11 but the gas station will remain open

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yeah the gas station will remain coming but the gas station stays open all night

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correct

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okay

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other questions from the board

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does the interior store sell anything other than

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the hot food

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I mean it sells like normal

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stuff that a gas station sells

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yeah that's my question

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but it's all behind

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so how many

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employees are

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going to be operating

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in the space

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it will add three

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full-time jobs after the proposed renovation. So it'll also add work and plan to hire from the

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community, which will also help. Is it all under one manager? So like the person managing the

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restaurant portion or the hot food portion is the same manager that's managing the convenience sales

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portion? Yes. I mean, it'll be a team. I'm sure it might work better where, you know, like when you

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going to a 7-Eleven everybody kind of works together as a team depending on where they are

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somebody might be doing um you know a drink while somebody might be getting somebody to hot food out

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of it um you know that was not my question because at a 7-Eleven they're all employees of 7-Eleven

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so I guess my question is are all of the employees that work at inside this building at the gas

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station going to be under the same management team versus like if it was a sonoco and crunchy

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versus like if it was a Sonoco and Crunchy Kitchen or Crunchy Chicken had rented out the

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kitchen or crunchy

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kiosk space to serve food? Is it all their one management team? Yes. I'm sorry. I misunderstood

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your question. Yes. Okay. And then what's the plan? Because I know when you do have gas stations that

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have hot food, they tend to also cater to people who are not coming by car and people who are not

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coming to also receive gas so is there parking spaces on site for people who might be coming

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just to do food pickup what's the plan for food pickup in line management i know across west

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philly there's a few of these different types of restaurants that have opened up at gas station

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sites and the traffic gets really really crowded some of them as much as a you know chick-fil-a

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type takeout line. So what is the traffic management plan? The traffic management plan

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is to have a really cohesive team if we need more employees to bring them on to make sure that we

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move the line. But there is sufficient space in the parking lot currently. And I was talking to

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the neighbor to the right. Their customers are currently using the parking lot to park. So

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explaining to them that, you know, once we reopen, that kind of arrangement won't continue

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to take place. We're going to have to have the parking lot available for the customers

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of the gas station. I don't know if, Mr. Ucta, can you pull up the site plan again? I didn't

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see dedicated parking spaces in the renovation plan for the gas station.

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so it sounds like maybe a restriping yeah like i just want to understand so

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so i can show it's actually when when we were looking at the pictures of the lot you actually

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could see the cars that were parked there for a different business and they were lined up could

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you show the photos yeah yeah but not the photos i'm talking about the actual plan that you have

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for the new building did not it's bigger right so like there's going to be changes to the site plan

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And it's not going to be based on what is currently there.

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And I didn't see any dedicated parking spots on the site plan.

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Sorry.

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I think we're referencing this on this wall right here.

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Rendering.

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Devin, we can't hear you.

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I said we're referencing is on this wall right here where my mouse is, this is another business.

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So along this wall, when we're remodeling, you can do the dedicated parking.

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So just restriping and painting right here.

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And that's separate.

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That wall is separate.

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that area is separate from the actual parking

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where people are getting gas.

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It's also a spot where people are sometimes parking

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their cars to go to the restaurant that's here.

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This is what we're referencing, this area over here.

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I got it. And that is part of

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this parcel? Yes, correct.

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But there's no site plan currently

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for the whole parcel showing

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car movement, the building,

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and the pumps, and...

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Well, these are pumps, and

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I guess... Yeah, I know. I said a site plan.

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This is a rendering. So there's no

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No. No, it's not. Thank you. So I have a question about the dumpster. Just anticipating more trash with the takeout. The dumpster and any trash receptacles on the site plan.

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Where is it located on the site plan? I'm sorry.

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Other questions? I asked about the dumpster on the site plan.

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Yeah, so basically it's going to be private dumpsters. So we would just also, the space is big enough that we can have dumpsters on site. And there's some already here now. So when we reopen back up, it'll also be dumpsters. And that's also something we mentioned in the RCO meeting that we were going to do and continue to do. We'll probably use dumpsters.

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There's no RCO letter or summary. So what's the...

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So the RCO submitted this morning a letter of non-opposition.

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Okay.

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Right.

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And the other RCO is against it.

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Let's try to get through who else wants to testify.

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Questions or comments from our attorney?

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Not at this time, Mr. Chair.

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What are your comments from the virtual audience?

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Chair, I have a hand up from Evandeline Waring.

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Okay.

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I will promote them, and they should be back in shortly.

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Hello?

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hello

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hi could you please state your name and spell for the sonographer

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Uh, yes, it's Vandalin Waring. It's V as in Victor, A-N, D as in David, E-L-Y-N, last name W-A-R-I-N-G.

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yes

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it's Vandalin Waring

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it's B as in Victor, A-N, D as in David

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes.

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Are you a neighbor?

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I am the generational RCO.

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Okay, please proceed.

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So, yes, I did submit a letter of opposition and speak to the neighbors over the last two

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meetings. The near neighbors that were present on both calls were in opposition of the hot foods

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being served. Unanimously, everyone on both calls, each call was in support of a brand new project,

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new development, but not the serving of hot foods as it would not decrease the loitering.

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It will increase loitering. It will maintain criminal activity that currently goes on at

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that property, as some neighbors already mentioned. And they do not want the hot food served only for

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this particular application regarding hot foods. In addition, the council submitted to you

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petition signatures of neighbors that support the project. Council did also mention that they

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were not near neighbors. I want to further explain that petition of 27 signatures

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is in regards to a new construction, a new development,

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not anything pertaining to this particular application regarding the serving of hot foods.

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I also submitted a petition of near neighbors, 37 signatures total,

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in opposition of the serving of hot foods.

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Thank you very much.

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Devin, do you have any questions?

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No, I just want to reiterate.

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The copy of the petition that I showed you, it does say on there, including my packet, that this is for a convenience store and hot food preparation on the top of the petition, not the new.

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Okay, let me see.

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Anyone else in the first audience?

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Mr. Chair, I just want to note, I was able to pull a site plan from the city's Atlas website for the permit for the demolition and rebuilding.

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So if it's okay with the board, I can share the screen.

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I think that will help clarify something.

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We're going to bring up the site plan.

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You can look at it with your owner.

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Go ahead.

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Can I ask a question while she's doing that?

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Is this the owner?

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How long has this owner been the owner of this facility?

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Since the beginning of the year, January of 25.

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Okay, so you're a new owner.

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Right.

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So you're a new owner.

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So I think that's important for me because the history of this facility

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place. Your fault. Right. And I think that is right. Thank you so much for clarifying it

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because it is new management and this new thoughts process. Yes. It will be a new day.

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So Amina, on the screen is the site plan. Right. Could you take a look at that and then talk about

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how and where you're going to put cars at dumpsters and things of that nature?

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so there are currently dumpsters right now um it's a little yeah i can't difficult because it

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it does okay can you you'll make it bigger where it says premise b on the top um

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it's like the top like if you look where it says 56 where the opa number is if you look to the left

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of that there's already dumpsters there so move them further back towards that back wall and then

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there's a lot of space you know the gray areas where the gas station pump parking and all that

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is but there's a lot of space between the neighboring business to the right and where

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you pull it is a very wide gap at least 25 feet and like my counsel said I could stripe it and

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make it very organized um and ensure even having security out there or somebody to help direct it

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i have no problem with making sure that it runs i mean why don't you talk about how the cars are

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going to go through the pumps what's the plan here so there's two entrances to pull in off of walnut

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street so you could pull in in your immediate right and pull up to park when you're when you're

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closest right or you could pull at the second right and pull to the pump right so there shouldn't be

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interference between people getting gas and people coming into the store hoping to make it more like

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you know how when you go to Wawa it's kind of sectioned off in a way right that they don't

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When you go to Wawa, it's kind of sectioned off in a way that they don't bring into each other.

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And striping helps a lot with that.

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When I study how other gas stations do it successfully, it's the signage, and it's the stop, and it's the striping.

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Okay.

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Any other questions for Amina?

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Any other questions in the virtual audience?

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We might see any further ask, Mr. Chair.

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Yeah, I just want to note, if the parking isn't currently on this plan, you're probably going to need another zoning permit for any additional parking you plan to add, which will need reviews by streets department and probably planning as well, depending on how many spaces you're seeking to add.

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Just wanted to be clear on that.

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So the question would be, if we voted on this now, you got to come back.

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Well, I don't know. I'm just saying that if there's, if they're proposing additional parking, more than what's already been approved, this is a plan that was approved with the other permit.

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If they're proposing parking that's not on this plan, they're going to need to get another zoning permit, which is going to mean other reviews and could potentially mean a return to the zoning board if the parking was not code compliant.

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Right.

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Well, Mr. Chairman, we're okay with that.

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say that again Devin I can't hear you Mr. Chairman we're okay with that we have to come back to

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zoning to do additional parking after the development we're fine with that our planning

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commission Amy Wood with the planning commission the comprehensive plan recommends a change in

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zoning at this location from the existing CMX2 commercial mixed use to CMX3 the appellant has

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demonstrated that the proposed use will not cause detrimental impacts beyond what would reasonably

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be expected. Moreover, the proposed use would allow this use by rate. Just to note that this

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is a use application only. Any development, including parking lot changes, must be made

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under a separate application. The Planning Commission recommends that the Board grant

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the requested special exception for takeout. MI 2025, 001-465-5651-63 Walnut Street, TA-55610.

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I vote yes. Michael Johns, my vote is yes.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes. Tanetta Graham, my vote is yes.

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Ryan McAdams, my vote is yes. Tywin, my vote is yes.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is there anyone in the virtual audience

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