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ZBA Hearing - January 29, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Jan 29, 20256h 11m

So, again, it's better to see here.

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But what we did was, this was part of our floor plan originally.

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We were going to have a bi-level unit for unit number one, which is over here.

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We got rid of this bi-level portion in the basement area because that was below ground.

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And they stated because of flooding issues and because they didn't want any below ground living, they wanted that eliminated, which we did.

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And we got rid of the window wells in the back because we have no living.

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So we cut the lower level living in half.

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but the part that we cut was the stuff that was below ground. This part is above ground.

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So when you walk into this gated area, and by the way to the left is an enclosed garbage area

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for access to all of the property or the occupants, you walk into this courtyard area

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and here you have right here is the front door for unit number one. What I would also like to

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point out to the right of that door is a large window, right? And then this is where the living

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room and the kitchen is for unit number one. It's a bi-level unit where then you have

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bedrooms. You have two bedrooms and a bathroom on for unit number one. For unit number two

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and three and four, all the access is through the side where we have steps leading up to here,

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where you have unit number two, which is a one bedroom, one bath. And again, like to point out

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the windows that are in the living area, as well as the bedrooms in the rear.

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And then if you go up another flight of steps, that's unit number three.

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And again, to point out, we have ample light and air for the actual occupants of the units.

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So you have the living area, you have one, two, three windows.

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Let me just make sure there's no more.

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I'm just trying to get through this.

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I'm just trying to drag this if it's not landing.

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so you have one two three windows in the living area kitchen area for that and then you have a

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large window for bedroom number one and then you have a large window for bedroom number two

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and then the same thing pertains to the to the fourth unit which is on the third floor and then

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as you can see there's no roof deck either because it would be out of character to have a roof deck

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in this part of town did that answer your question uh member johns yes all right all right i'm just

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going to go back because there's some things in here that i would like for you guys to see

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kind of tells the story a little better let me just unsure

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so one of the things if you look at their letter of opposition and again

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it's really not so much of an opposition because there are members who actually voted of the

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community that voted for the project so you can see it was four to eight here and actually one

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of the community groups faith cdc they actually voted for the project um and then it was a closer

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vote here but if you read the actual letter itself and there's a lot going on there they said we're

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against underground living partly because if you know they had concerns about safety but partly

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because of flooding. And again, as Mr. Jordan would state, you know, we're going to have

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French drains, we're going to have waterproofing of the facade area, and we're going to have

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a water pump as well. But regardless, we're above ground. So there's no issue. And there's

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we're not we're above ground in terms of living as well, which was important to the group.

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So we revise our presentation materials to have a four unit count, reduce the basement

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size and remove the egress wells that was what was asked of us after the first meeting

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so we were really surprised about the second meeting where we got that type of vote

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and so we have 32 west seymour street 32 both of them occupants 35 west seymour street 35 west

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seymour street 33 west seymour street two of them

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33 West Seymour Street, two of them, 37 West Seymour Street, 37 West Seymour Street, 25 West Seymour Street.

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I think we –

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All right.

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So, I mean, we – again, we – I mean, my client did the ground campaign here.

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Like, you know, in terms – what?

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All right.

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So it's a lot.

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I'm still going.

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And then if you look at the property history, it was five units.

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and for 45 back in the 40s or something like that.

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So we kind of mimic that.

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That's why we asked for five, but I can see why they asked for four.

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So here are the addresses, 4933 Royal Street, four units,

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smaller and lot size than us, slightly, 4758.

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That's RSA 5.

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4925 Royal Street, four units, RSA 5, 2172.

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These lots are 2,500 square feet.

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37 West Logan Street, four units.

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RTA 1, kind of similar to us, only 2,109 square feet.

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35 West Logan Street, four units.

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RTA 1, 2,159 square feet.

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55 West Logan Street, four units.

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RTA 1, 1,949 square feet.

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So again, we're asking for four units.

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We have a larger lot than each of those properties.

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And in two of those cases, those are RSA-5 properties, which don't even allow for multifamily living.

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And then the aerial view.

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These are our lots.

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But you can see even over here, there's gaps in these blocks because of development.

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And I'll just let Jordan speak, you know, because he's very passionate about this.

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But he wants to fill in these gaps, you know, at least for these properties.

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And, you know, he has a lot of other assets in the Germantown area.

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But he'll explain the difference between the different parts of Germantown.

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And then maps of the area, from a zoning map perspective, you see that this is CMX 2.5.

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Again, what you would expect here is a little bit more density in terms of zoning.

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We go straight to RSA 5, and then we have interspersed throughout a little bit of RTA 1.

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And then you can see here we're in Germantown, and there's bus routes here.

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And there are some businesses, but not a lot.

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You would expect more in Germantown, but there's not because there's not enough density here.

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And there are photographs of the property.

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These are just vacant lots.

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These are proof of posting for today's hearing.

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And then, again, Google Earth only goes far as back as 2007,

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but you can see these have been vacant lots for some time.

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We're talking about almost 20 years.

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I mean, not yet, but close.

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And then you can just see here,

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give you a perspective of the block itself,

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mansard roofs, like, you know, porches,

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like you know bay windows same thing here and then this is us from the south on this block

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and then from the north and then you can see these curb cuts that were pre-existing on garfield

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and there's no parking allowed on our side of the street either so we're not taking any parking

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away but again now look at what we're proposing here that architecture fits very well within the

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fabric of this community. Now, the question is whether the board will allow us to have

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the use and the de minimis side yard variance. Again, Jordan will explain to you that he

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can't build anything else. He's as far as he can go down, four units. I asked him specifically,

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I said, can we go down to three units as a compromise? And he said, no. And then you

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see here and again this is more so just to show that the the the massing our massing is in in

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configuration and similar to the massing of other properties on seymour i will point out that this

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is an older rendering so it this is what it previously looked like when the mansard roof

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was not wrapped around but we've made a commitment to have a mansard roof wrap around

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and then these are the drawings that we saw previously

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and the floor plans we saw previously and then these are our meeting notices again this was

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the second meeting and then finally just again for each one and then finally we i have the deeds

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to the property showing that philly continental uh sales llc is the owner of the property along

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with the applications for appeal that we filed with the board along with the tax clearance

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certificates so i'm just going to try to go quickly through that because i know we we were

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delayed a little bit but i want to at least show it to the board so with that being said um i would

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ask that uh jordan be sworn in jordan could you please state your name and spell for the stenographer

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yes my name is jordan parisi farini it's j-o-r-d-a-n

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Yes, my name is Jordan Parisi Farini. It's J-O-R-D-A-N-P-A-R-I-S-S-E-F-E-R-R-A-R-I-N-I.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Please proceed, counsel.

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Yes, Jordan, you heard everything I had to state today about your zoning matter.

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Correct.

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Is it true and correct?

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Yes.

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Or do you adopt this as your own testimony?

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Yes.

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Yes. So I said a lot about I testified a lot about, you know, you know, the differences between what some people would think one part of Germantown is versus another.

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Can you just explain to me what, you know, what those differences are?

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Yes. So Germantown is two different tales, two different stories.

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You kind of have the haves and the have nots.

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Historically, the west side has always been an area where there's been more wealth.

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And the east side has been an area that has experienced lower income, higher levels of violence, higher levels of blight, vacant properties and things like that.

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Over the last 10 years, you've been seeing a lot of change in Germantown.

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It's caught a lot of buzz.

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Everyone's looking at it as a place for good development, up and coming.

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But that story is only in certain segments of Germantown.

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um typically like northwestern side the more north you go the more to the west you go

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the more development you see and the challenges in germantown between those two different areas

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are like night and day where in the northwest side of germantown or more north it's it's a

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completely different community and there's rents that support development there's not as much

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nearly as much violence. There's not nearly as much blight. Down on the south side, though,

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where there is a lot of violence, a lot of blight, a lot of vacant properties, it's not really an

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area that's being developed. It's kind of just been kind of left to the side over the years.

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And this is not to confuse Wayne Junction area, because that's technically on the south side.

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But when you go further up, we're talking Brickyard. We're talking Germantown Avenue,

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Seymour, where people are literally dying. There's a lot of violence, a lot of poverty.

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um development is something that has been shown to be able to help remove blight create

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beautification put people back in a position of feeling hopeful put the people back in a

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position of feeling happy to be proud of where they live and trying to do that while also being

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conscious of the other problem which is gentrification where you see a lot of people

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that are from germantown especially on the west side can no longer afford to live in the community

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um there's a bit of a problem then you add that and compound that with germantown wanting to see

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historical development more expensive development um it's a bit of a challenge and then you add a

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black developer into the equation and and all the obstacles and barriers that have faced

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um us historically there's a pretty complex issue that we're trying to solve here

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while bringing equitable development.

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Let's talk about the hardship.

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Can you build a property as a right

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where it would require two units?

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Forget about the side yard variance.

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Could you actually get financing

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and be able to build it

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and then actually make money

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to pay off your mortgage?

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Not as a single family.

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Why as a two family?

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Not as a two family either.

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You just don't have the comps to support

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that to be able to get a loan. You'd have to sell the single family home for $750,000 to $850,000

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and there's no data to support that's even close to possible. That would just further push

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gentrification, which is another problem. Same thing with a two-family dwelling. You'd have to

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be able to get an after repair value of $800,000, $900,000 to be able to cover your mortgage

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costs or your debt service and it just wouldn't happen in the area. So you can make the debt

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service coverage ratio requirements of a of a commercial loan this of this type even for two

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units not while trying to maintain some sense of affordability because that's the big underlying

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issue if we could go after 2,000 2200 market rate rents like the northern sides of germantown

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if that was even an intention which is not you can maybe achieve it but in the south side of

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germantown while trying to maintain 60 70 percent ami it's just not possible but and again you

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couldn't generate the rents even

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if you wanted to, you couldn't generate

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those rents. No.

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I think I don't have

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any further questions

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from Jordan. I'm sure he'll be able to answer

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any of you. They adopted your testimony, right?

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Okay. Questions from the board.

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Since we brought up the DSCR,

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what do you think the DSCR,

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had you run it as a

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two unit? Yes.

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What was the DSCR? Well below

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1.25, but we couldn't even get

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anywhere close to a 1.25.

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And then I know you said your target is to do 60 to 70 percent AMI.

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And then I know you said your target is to do 60 to 70 percent AM.

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Obviously, there's nothing we can do to provide so that what's your one marketing plan and your rent plan to be able to keep those long term affordable at that AMI?

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Well, one, it's the market rate rent roughly in the neighborhood.

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Anyhow, that's where the demand is.

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And just from my experience, like I've done a lot of development in Germantown.

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I've also played a major supporting role with the Jumpstart Germantown program.

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did a lot of the underwriting the construction loan processes i've seen countless deals and

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