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ZBA Hearing - May 21, 2025

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)May 21, 20255h 4m

venting system correct yes it actually already has that uh heavy duty vent but since we don't

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have the approval we're not operating yet um we had the electrician we had some professional

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people came and gave us their estimates how to make sure everything gets done right but we we

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did purchase the unit when we first started this because we believed this was gonna be uh quick

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but later we were told that we have to wait and that's why we're waiting now uh yes everything

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will be installed as a professional paint booth with the filters. And this will be a very small

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paint booth too. This is just for our own vehicles that we're trying to, you know,

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paint them here in-house and avoid, you know, going somewhere else. So this is going to be

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more like for internal use versus opening up the door for the customers, but it's still a paint

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book. Thank you. Questions from the board? What do you operate hours of operation?

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9 to 5. Every day? We don't work on Sundays. Saturday normally till 3.

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Question. Have you looked into the requirements for fire protection for the paint booth?

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my understanding is

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I've had a couple of clients who've tried to do this

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I've had a couple of clients who've tried to do this, that you have to have an enhanced fire protection as well because of the volatility of the paint.

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that you have to have an enhanced

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So have we looked into that and is part of what you've done to prepare the enhanced fire protection that may be necessary?

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yes we had a company called ans sprinkler we hired them before we did any work and they installed

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this building does have a sprinkler system so they had to install extensions and with the

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special heads they call because of the paint and that work is already actually done and we have

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in waste, paid in waste from them that we can

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present when needed. But that work is already done

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and this building does get normally

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inspected for fire and fire alarm and

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sprinkler system. The question would be

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if there's a requirement for an enhanced

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fire rating for the booth itself.

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so yes i believe what he was but the question is have we looked into um the fire uh i'm pretty

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sure they need an increased fire rating for the booth itself so back the um the sprinkler system

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company that you hired they came in specifically to update the system the sprinkler system for that

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paintballs correct to meet the enhanced requirements yeah that's exactly what they did

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they were they knew what exactly needed to be done and they said uh i cannot really speak in

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their language but they showed me uh where we had to they had to add some extensions they said

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per this square feet you need we need one here you need one there so they added the expansion

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extensions and they put special heads on them they said when you paint because it's a paint

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spray so

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it will not trick the system

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so you have to use this kind

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and that work is all done

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like that was done

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even before I

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even contacted you maybe like a year

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ago

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and hazmat

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we have hazmat considerations

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as well so have we

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looked into that as part

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of this

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so the hazmat removal

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for the

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for paint and all those things have you already had contact with companies for that

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yeah we have a company that picks up the oil like i can provide the company's name uh he was

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actually just here this morning they pick up the oil right now because that's the only thing we

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generate uh as a right now when we change when we do the oil changes uh we do not have any paint

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material, but

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as soon as we

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will start operating,

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the company will collect it

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separately.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Questions or

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comments from our attorney?

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Chair, I'm here now.

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Okay, thank you, Ish.

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Not at this time, Mr. Chair.

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Hilary, are you straight with the

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the licensing agreement?

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Yes, we have received a complete copy.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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I see no hands.

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Planning Commission.

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Thank you, Chairman, and good morning.

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David Fepto with the City Planning Commission.

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Chairman and board members,

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the comprehensive plan recommends no change

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to the I-3 heavy industrial zoning at this location.

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this property is within an area called out by the comprehensive plan as an industrial preservation

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area the appellant has shown the proposed vehicle paint finishing shop will have no detrimental

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impacts beyond what might be expected the city planning commission recommends the board grant

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a proposed special exception for a vehicle paint finishing shop thank you mi2024 007 590 5825

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of Taconi Street, I vote yes.

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Johns, my vote is yes.

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Cheryl Gaston, my vote is yes.

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Tanita Graham, my vote is yes.

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Tywin, my vote is yes.

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Thank you.

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Counsel, I think we have another case here for you.

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Yes.

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So MI 2024, 007-593-1838 South 7th Street.

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Just for the record, state your name.

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You've already been sworn.

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Yes, my name is Zen Jin, Z-H-E-N, last name J-I-N.

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Yeah, so my name is Zhen Jian, Z-H-E-N, last name J-I-N.

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So you have unanimous support from East Passion Crossings RCO and also a letter of non-opposition from the RCO from Council Member Squilla.

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Our Vice Chair has a few questions for you.

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Good morning, Council. Do you agree to waive the reason of the refusal or stipulate to its accuracy?

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Good morning. I do. Thank you.

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Have you emailed in all the required documents and exhibits as needed to proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing?

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I have.

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Thank you, counsel. Please proceed.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to share with the board what was previously submitted as exhibit.

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Can the board see my exhibit on their screen?

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We can.

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Excellent.

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Good morning.

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This is an application by New King Realty LLC for the property located at 1838 South 7th Street.

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The refusal indicates the use as a proposed use personal vehicle repair and maintenance

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with an existing structure in a CMX2 district.

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It was refused because such use is expressly prohibited in that district.

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This property has some unique features and circumstances that led us to having the

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support of the community as well as the council office, mainly that this is a CMX two-pointer

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property that was previously used as a contractor's essentially storage and

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their vehicle parking and storage. So it has a gated, a large gate, sliding gate,

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and it's a very similar use to what's surrounding the property the main thing with regard to this

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proposal that's different than your typical vehicle maintenance and repair is that we're

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not actually seeking to repair and maintain vehicles it is purely for window tinting

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and detail shop and that's in fact one of the requests the community made to be made as part of

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a proviso of any approval of this that it be limited to detailing and window tinting which

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is the intended use for the property. The property is essentially open on the inside with a small

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office to the back. And this is the interior of the property. As you can see, there's a small

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office towards the back. Because of the prior contractor use with vehicles, the required sinks,

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water, drains are already in place for the detailing purpose and window tinting. There

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will be no repair vehicles. There'll be no need to have any hazmat removal. The only thing that'll

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be used in the process of window tending really would be soapy water. So there's no real removal

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of waste oil or anything involved here. So this is a relatively clean operation. The space is large

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and allows multiple vehicles to be pulled in, to be worked on. And the work will be done by

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appointment only so that we do not anticipate any outside parking of vehicles during the process.

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My client who will be the operator who will be taking the space, as you can see from the plans

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here, they'll pull the vehicles into the space when the customers arrive by appointment, do the

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detailing, and space the appointments out so that they can get cars out quickly. Window tinting and

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detailing depending on the process can be pretty well controlled as far as time frame so an

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appointment process would be easy to manage for the operator and it's because of the way the

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building is already set up this use is probably the best use possible without having to do

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extensive change to the structure and that is why my client brought this proposal before the board

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And again, the community, having reviewed what we're proposing and knowing what it was used before, had no objections to the limited use of detail shop and window tinting shop.

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Again, that concludes my presentation.

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I will be happy to answer any questions.

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And my client is here to verify my testimony.

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Could you bring your client on?

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Sure.

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Teddy, can you please raise your hand virtually to be identified?

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your client has been promoted thank you

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please uh unmute yeah there we go

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teddy are you there

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Teddy, are you there?

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Thank you.

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Do we see him?

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Yes, he's there.

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He just unmuted, so I'm hoping to hear him.

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Teddy?

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Seems to be having technical issues.

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Okay, you're an officer of the court.

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We'll gladly take your testimony.

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Zinn, this is first floor only.

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Am I correct?

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Yes, that's correct, first floor.

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Okay, questions from the board.

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Is the office space to the business on the first floor as well

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or on the second floor?

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No, that's on the first floor in the back of the space.

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So everything's on the first floor, including the office space.

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Other questions?

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How long normally do cars stay at the shop?

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So a typical window tinting process is probably about 30 minutes to 45 minutes to do, depending

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on how many windows they're doing.

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A detail could take two, three hours.

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So a full detail could have a car inside for a majority of the day if they're doing a very

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extensive detailing on it.

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How do cars queue up?

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Are they, is it by appointment only?

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Is it, how do, if, if.

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Appointment only.

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Appointment.

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Yeah.

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What they do is they will call in, they will schedule them for a time, and when the customer comes, they'll just pull the car in and then work on the car.

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Once it's complete, they'll call the customer who will come and pick up the car.

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So at no time will cars be parked on the street in front of the place?

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Correct.

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Okay.

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Other questions?

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And about how many cars can be serviced at a time in the space?

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At least two.

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Depending on the size of the vehicle, at least two.

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Okay.

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If it's very small cars, maybe three.

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Okay.

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So this is more like hand wash, not like the machine wash.

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No machines, correct.

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This is hand wash and polishing, detailing.

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Okay.

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And no repair.

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No repair work.

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No painting.

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No painting.

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Okay.

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All right.

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