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ZBA Hearing - March 27, 2024

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Mar 27, 20245h 37m

The same thing, we're going to have a mix of studios, one bedrooms, and two bedrooms.

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There'll be 16 units on each floor, floors two through five.

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And the floor plans are not straight across as in the 100 West Sedgley.

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It's more of like an L shape with a hallway coming down and dividing the area.

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But the bedroom layouts are going to be very similar to the first project.

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So this would be a typical one bedroom layout.

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Pretty much self-explanatory.

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And this is your typical two-bedroom layout, two bedrooms, two baths, living, dining area, as well as a kitchen.

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Another rendering of the project.

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Here's an indication that taxes were paid for 1018 Sedgley.

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And here's the receipt that we paid on March 22nd, $12,000 for the real estate tax, even though they're not due until April 1.

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But we just thought it'd be in everyone's interest to share the board.

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It's a significant amount of money.

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We thought it'd be best to pay it before we came before the board.

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Again, this is a zoning map outlining everything in the area is I-2.

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uh so i i can briefly touch on the other project but if the chairman thought that it was covered

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in this project i understand i think i think i think we understand what what the project

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understand what the project, both projects are.

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both projects are all right i just want to conclude

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All right. I just want to conclude, if I can.

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So we think this is a situation that warrants a hardship view because of its location and its inability to be used for over 15 years.

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As I said, Mr. Williams sees this as an opportune time to move forward and really brighten up this area,

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bring something of a high-class nature into the area that would complement his existing

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charter school. We're not altering the essential character of the neighborhood. I mean, it's an

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I-2 zone. There's no residential around. It's really going to be a focal point for the area.

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We're not impairing the lighter air of any development, certainly not of the railroad or

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the laundromat across the street. As I said, it's a wide avenue there.

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We're basically in harmony with the code because it would be a good residential use.

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We're certainly in harmony with what the community group has asked for.

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I don't want to say they asked for it, but they're supporting it and they're standing behind it.

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And I do think it's a unique physical circumstance that requires an alternative use rather than industry.

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rate. So with that, I would, I would close and I would ask that my client be sworn in, Mr. Chairman.

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Dr. Williams, could you, Dr. Williams, could you please state your name and spell it for the

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court stenographer? My name is Dr. Joseph Williams. Just for the record, could you spell

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your name for the record? J-O-S-E-P-H-W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S. Right. Do you swear or affirm to tell the

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truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Please proceed, counsel. Mr. Williams, you sat

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to my right during the entire presentation, correct? Correct. And you heard what I said?

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Correct. And what I said about your desire to start to develop this project since you retired

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is true and correct correct and what i outlined in terms of the bedrooms the access space

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the height the prior industrial use your ability to clean it up all that information is true and

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correct that's correct and if you had the opportunity to testify would you adopt my

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testimony as your own and that's true and correct yes i would okay mr chairman i had the two

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architects standing by if you need to hear from them uh questions from the board no chair

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No, Mr. Chairman.

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Questions or comments from our attorney, Ryan McSherry?

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No, Mr. Chairman.

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Questions or comments from the virtual audience?

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No.

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Planning Commission.

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Good afternoon, Chair Peter Bernard for the Planning Commission.

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the comprehensive plan recommends no change to the existing i2 industrial use at this location

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we feel the applicant has failed to demonstrate a hardship additionally variances of this scale

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and significance are better addressed through the rezoning process accordingly the planning

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commission recommends the board deny the variances um mr mr clinton what i'm what i'm going to do

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with this is I'm going to take this to the executive session for next Wednesday and we're

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going to vote on this at 2 p.m. That way I'll have a chance to talk to all the board members. Okay?

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Okay. And then I do have the presentation for 1020 and 1030, which I guess has to be admitted

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into evidence. That's right. But I recognize that both of them have been completed and we'll vote

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on both of these next Wednesday at 2 p.m.

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All right.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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And thank you.

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And thank you, Dr. Williams.

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Thank you.

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Hi, Chair.

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This is Tanya.

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Yep.

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May I ask a question?

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We have a case that's scheduled for later,

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but because we had to get an interpreter,

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we don't want the interpreter to be standing by

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until the late case.

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Would it be okay?

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Tell me what.

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I'll do it whenever you're ready.

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That's in the 3.30 section?

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Yes, I believe so.

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Lakeisha, can you continue to inform the board and the chair?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Lakeisha, do you want to bring that person on now?

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Are they here?

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Yes, and the interpreter name is Mike Wong.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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I remember that case.

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They've been allowed to speak.

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Mike Wong's been allowed to speak.

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Okay, let me just get the case up here.

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Okay, so it's number eight.

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So that's off the 330 list. MI 2023-002-377-2655 South Hutchinson Street. Mr. Wong.

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He's the interpreter, so interpreter.

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He's the interpreter. So interpreter.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And also Ming Sen Hong and Chiyo Ming Cheng, listed owners.

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Can we bring the interpreter on and he could call them for us?

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Yes, the interpreter is present.

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After we swear him in, he can transfer for us.

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Hi, could you please state your name, sir, and spell for the court stenographer?

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Mr. Wang, we cannot hear you, and you appear to be on mute.

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Sorry, I was, my speakerphone was muted.

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Sorry, my name is Mike Wang, M-I-K-E-W-A-N-G, a Mandarin interpreter.

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Right. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, I do.

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Could you call, please, our two witnesses? First is M-I-N-G-S-E-N-H-U-A-N-G and C-H-I-A-O-M-I-N-G-C-H-E-N-G.

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And they're available, Chair.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Could you have both of them state their name for us, please?

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This is the first time I'm joining your session.

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So you want me to interpret everything between the witness and anybody?

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Yes, right.

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好的,我是翻译,这个有两位,一位是黄先生,黄明山先生,或者是郑巧明先生,请问你们两位在吗?

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或者是你们没有打开话筒?

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Whoever is going to testify, we need to swear them in.

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打開了嗎?

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你回答,他翻譯在跟你說了,回答。

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請您第一位先講名字,好嗎?

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No one is responding to me.

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Some gentlemen said that they need to answer.

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I don't know, first of all, who the gentleman is.

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It has to be you speaking to the two of them.

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I did, and no one responded.

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Okay, that should be the applicant who was speaking.

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Yes.

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Sam, is the applicant?

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Yes.

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Hi, can you hear me?

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Okay, so I have listed owners.

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so what can they speak through my phone i'm i'm on the phone with them um can't can't they call in

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here yes they would need to be able to either they got it they got a call in here to call

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and they they also would have to be able to present their documents right correct

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what what's your number here

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No, they're hearing board phone number right now.

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No, we'll post the Zoom information in the chat, staff.

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So, Chair, if you would like to just come back to this case.

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Yeah, we'll come back.

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We'll come back shortly.

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Okay, let's see if we can get back to where we were and move some of these cases along.

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I'll make them the number one on the 330 list.

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Number 10, MI2024-000261, 5022 City Line Avenue.

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Brandon Saverin is the attorney.

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They'll be coming back in as a panelist, Mr. Chair.

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Okay.

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good afternoon mr chairman brandon howard good to see you could you state your name and spell

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please for the court stenographer good to see you too um brandon saverin b-r-a-n-d-o-n

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s as in sam a v as in victor r-a-n as in nancy all right do you swear for him to tell the truth

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the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. Could you identify your client

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Yes, I do.

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Could you identify your client, the relationship to this property?

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in relationship to this problem?

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So my client is the tenant of suite B on this property, and that's Tare Enterprises, LLC, spelled T-A-I-R.

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All right. And our vice chair has a few questions for you.

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Do you agree to read the email of the refusers to relate to a gag person?

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Yes, I do, Mr. Vice Chairman.

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Have you emailed in all the documents and exhibits that is needed to proceed with this case five days in advance of the hearing?

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Yes, I did.

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Thank you. Please proceed and share your screen.

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And I note there's a letter of non-opposition from the Winfield Residence Association with a proviso for another five-year temporary special exception.

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Okay, thank you. Let me see if I can get my screen going here.

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okay um so uh what you should see on your screen is um a photo of the front of the store this is

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one of 17 exhibits that i have submitted to the board and would ask for all of them to be moved

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into the record at the conclusion of the hearing okay as i mentioned my client is tear enterprises

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which is run by a gentleman named Joe Mater, who is here to adopt my testimony.

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This store is a franchised location of the Philly Pretzel Factory chain.

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And I will show you some more photos, including the inside of the store in a moment.

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So this is a copy of our notice of referral.

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It's actually not a notice of refusal. There are no refusals.

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It's purely a referral for a special exception, and you can see down here, I'll try and make

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it a little bigger, it says the proposed use takeout restaurant requires a special exception

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from the zoning board.

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So members of the board, you've seen already today several applications for takeout restaurants.

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In some districts, they require a variance.

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In some districts, they require a special exception, which is a slightly easier legal

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standard.

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We are in a district where we require a special exception.

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And as I'll show you through documentation in a moment, the board has already seen this

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exact business in this exact location in 2019 and approved it.

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As it actually states right here, the L&I examiner wrote this, applicant seeks to permanently

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extend the temporary variance that was granted by ZP938175 in 2019. The only error there is that

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what was granted was actually a special exception, not a variance. But that expires in June. So Joe

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hired me to make sure that he can extend his special exception before it expires in June.

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and that's what we're here to do. So the subject property is in a strip mall on City Ave. The

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nearest light is Bryn Mawr Avenue, which you might be familiar with. It has both a CVS and a Rite Aid

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across the street from one another, which is kind of funny. To the southwest by about a quarter mile

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is St. Joe's University. To the northeast by maybe half a mile is Ballakinwood Shopping Center,

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which has a big LA Fitness and an Acme. This is a photo of the strip mall from Atlas,

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the city's website. So here's city line, four lanes of travel and a center turning lane.

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Here's a parking lot that is shared with us and some neighboring businesses. And I'll show you

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what that looks like from the street. So this shopping center is technically two properties,

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but they're owned by the same landlord, our landlord. This T-Mobile is technically a distinct

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property. I believe the address is 5026 City Avenue. It's occupied by this T-Mobile.

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Our property is like sort of this building and the parking in front of it, which is 5022-24

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City Avenue. And the Philly Pretzel Factory, my client's business, occupies Suite B in that

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building. But my client's clients, his customers, are allowed to use any of this parking, even on

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the neighboring property. It's sort of built as one fluid shopping center. It's like a first-come,

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first-served system. In practice, I happen to live pretty close to here. There's always parking

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available. As you can see in this photo, there's cars present, but they're only taken up about half

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of the spaces um this is a key map that we submitted to lni when they reviewed this

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