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ZBA Hearing - November 10, 2020

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Nov 10, 20205h 26m

Okay, you're a few doors down from this project, right, Kathleen?

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Yes, six doors west of 2000 Spring Garden.

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And you are the author of a letter that you pieced together and we sent to the board last week, right?

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That is correct. I'm one of 20 neighbors who wrote that letter expressing strong opposition.

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Okay. And you personally saw to it that the people who are signatories of the letter agreed with the letter, right?

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I did.

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Briefly, because the board is pressed for time, can you tell the board why you're opposed and why you're here today?

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Yes, I believe that 2000 Spring Garden represents an overbuild of the parcel.

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18 out of 20 buildings on this block are significant in contributing historical structures built between 1875 and 86 with similar heights, setbacks, and lot coverages.

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In contrast, 2000 Spring Garden covered 40% more lot depth than the block's historic footprint and

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would significantly exceed the cross-lot height of its neighbors. The height and massing of the

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building would have a decidedly adverse impact on access to light and air for near neighbors.

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This is a major issue. 2000 Spring Garden includes decks and other structures that

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are highly visible from 20th street and creating parking for three cars is unworkable and

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inappropriate for the site in the block in closing i would like to bring up the current development

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at 2026 28 spring garden street just down the block that is the only other assault to our

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historic block and a precedent definitely not to be followed with an oversized l-shaped plan it

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represents an overbuild of the site that cuts off light and air to neighbors objection we have

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nothing to do with this other site you're absolutely right sustained kathleen anything

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Kathleen, anything else you want to add?

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else you want to add just to say that in the best interest of the neighbor

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Just to say that in the best interest of the neighborhood, I hope that significant

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variance is sought by 2000 Spring Garden will be denied.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your testimony.

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So there's just Lisa Hastings.

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I have a couple of questions for this witness.

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Thank you.

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Ms. Harleman?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Did you participate in the historical commission process?

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I did.

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Did you attend the hearings?

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I did.

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Did you testify?

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I did.

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You're aware that the project changed dramatically as a result of the historical commission process and the input of you and your neighbors?

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Objection? Relevance?

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I thought we stipulated to this earlier that...

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All right, finish Mr. Miller, please.

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Go ahead, Captain.

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I'm aware that changes were made as a result of the historical commission meetings.

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How tall is your house?

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It matches the cornice line of all the other houses on my block, and then it steps back.

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So your house is 50 feet tall?

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Yes, and I have no objection to that because I think matching the cornice line was part of what the, I mean, I have no objection to that.

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Thank you.

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I have to redirect because I think that's confusing the issue.

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Kathleen, does your property have 50-foot height all the way back?

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Absolutely not.

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How does your height of your property match the proposal before the board?

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It does not match.

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It only matches at the cornice line.

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Nothing further.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Anyone else, Richard?

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John Goodman, and then I don't think Lisa is with us.

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So John Goodman is my final witness, assuming lease is not on.

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Okay, Mr. Goodman, please identify yourself with a record, name and address.

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Can everybody hear me?

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Yes, please.

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All right, Jonathan Goodman, last name G-O-O-D-M-A-N.

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Your address?

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2004 Spring Garden Street.

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Thank you.

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So we're in the firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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uh john you're involved with the management of 2004 spring garden is that right that is correct

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your father owns it that is correct well you manage it right yeah we both we both do but uh

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lately i've been carrying more of the brunt work of it for sure tell the board uh so you're you're

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you're next to molly gallagher you're two doors down from this correct that is correct and you've

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seen the shadow study that shows the shadow studies from the prior hearings that shows an

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impact on your property right yes tell the board why you're here and uh why you're opposed yeah so

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you know the proposal is extra length and height for me you know substantially impacts um you know

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we're in we're in the rental business right i'm opposed to this because several of our units

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will be directly impacted they have whether it's a shared outdoor space from all six of the units

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or three individual units that have their own private outdoor space, those command about 20 to

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25 percent more than their oppositions on the front of the unit. Having sunlight go away will

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directly affect that and negatively impact, you know, subsequent rental income. It's obviously a

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very, very complicated and competitive rental market. So we just try to make sure that we're

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positioned as best as possible. And this negatively affects us with no upside.

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um that's all i have if there unless there's cross and lisa hastings does is here and says

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she has her hand up but i'm done with the no further questions of mr goodman there but across

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of course mr goodman your building's 50 feet tall too my my building is i don't the exact

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specs in front of me but is um comparable with the with the with the rest of the block

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including where it drops off at the corners line in the same depth.

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So I'll just get ahead of some of those other questions.

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Did you see the shadow study?

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I did. I saw both shadow studies and both showed that there was impact.

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Mr. Goodman, you would agree that the shadow cast by the 38-foot building

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would be detrimental to your business also right objection i didn't hear that testimony

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i rephrase the question my question is if you saw the shadow studies

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and you think the shadow study excuse me if you think the shadow cast by the proposed

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excuse me, if you think the shadow cast by the proposed development on my client's property

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is detrimental to your business, is it your testimony that only the 50-foot shadow is

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detrimental or the 38-foot shadow is detrimental as well? So, you know, for me, I'm not, there's

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obviously various specifics on where that 50-foot continues. Based on the shadow studies from what

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the plan is today it casts a significantly larger shadow that impacts from a larger shadow from a

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perspective of actual length of shadow as well as time of that shadow i i don't have the studies in

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front of me but i i do recall particularly at eight in the morning was the time that um there

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was significant uh impact is that correct uh mr milner was that eight o'clock if i'm remembered

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correctly thank you very much mr goodman you're welcome thank you uh lisa i'll be very brief

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can you hear us can you hear me yes good evening please identify yourself for the records by your

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name and and provide us with your address my name is lisa hastings h-a-s-t-i-n-g-s i reside at city

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view condos at 2001 hamilton street we're in a firm to tell the truth the whole truth nothing

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about the truth yes i do mr mrs hastings uh tell the board you're a member of city view

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yes i am and was were you aware of any process where the towers uh considered this project

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and rent to render an opinion on it were you part of that process no um no there was no

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communication even with those of us who are the most active members in the association

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the board is pressed for time so tell the board why you're here and why uh you you're opposed to

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this project okay i'm mostly concerned about the negative impacts that this over large building

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will have on my entire neighborhood especially 20th street there's been a lot of discussion

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about the impacts on spring garden I understand that but the height and length of this building

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is completely out of character with the neighborhood and it um it darkens a long

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it darkens a long long portion of 20th street uh pretty much all day but especially in the

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afternoon creating dreariness without even leaving space on the property for future greenery or

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stormwater stuff and truthfully there's been a lot of discussion about well 38 feet will hurt

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well a shorter 38 feet high development I don't think would have the same negative impact

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on 20th street it would certainly be less overwhelming I also think that objection

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objection lack of foundation well I think it's reasonable to suggest that 50 foot the 12 foot

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difference would be the massing of it's going to have some even if nothing for the sunlight it's

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going to have a visual yes the feeling this this building feels overwhelming also the um keeping it

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in character with the neighborhood in spring garden the other houses in spring garden for

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the most part have a backyard and a backyard would shorten this building but it would also

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relieve the overwhelmingness of it, it would keep it consistent, and it would allow for some necessary

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green and stormwater relief. I very much object to this current iteration.

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the okay that's pretty much it I basically a right-sized building which could be built

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you know without as billed by right that would be consistent with the spring garden historical

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neighborhoods on all sides the top and the back and would you know would not adversely impact

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Spring Garden or 20th Street I see 20th Street from like Bob from my my room and I go up and

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down it all the time and this is like driving into a tunnel looking for that picture thank you thank

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you thank you for your time I have no that's my last witness Mr. Chairman thank you Mr. Miller

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yeah if I could just have a moment please I'm looking for the photo across the street

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do you have anything to add

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Mr. Bowen, do you have anything to add?

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you have the councilman's

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You have the councilman's letter and the RCO is also present.

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Okay.

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Council president, excuse me.

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Council president.

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Can I share screen, please?

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Ms. Hastings yes are you able to see the screen yes is that the building on the other side

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of 20th street yes it is do you object to that building okay the building is already there

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um do you object to it do i object to it i mean i objection to the to the yeah it's

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it's built it exists i mean if you want to ask her if it wasn't built would she object to that

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being a building put it being no excuse me i've had enough today would you object to a building

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being erected in that i'm sorry i cannot object to a building that's already built okay miss

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hastings does that does that building cover a hundred percent of the lot i do actually how

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does she know do you see any portion of the lot at the ground at the first floor level it does

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Right.

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Thank you.

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I'm sorry.

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I have no more questions for this witness.

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Mr. Bolin, are you trying to speak?

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Because if you are, I can't hear you.

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I was waiting to see if Rich was going to move everything into evidence.

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Yeah, we can move our exhibits into evidence at this point, Mr. Chairman.

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I do want to make a brief statement.

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I know you're pressed for time, though.

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I know you keep saying brief, but somehow your brief is totally different than my brief.

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Chairman, you know, the applicant had long hearings.

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I mean, I thought I was pretty brief.

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I have had limited time.

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I have not.

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OK, come on.

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Go ahead, Ryan.

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Yeah, I'll move my evidence and rest as far as testimony.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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You? No other witnesses? No other witnesses?

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I have one of the witnesses, Mr. Chairman.

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I have one witness. I'd like to call. I'd like to call.

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I have one document that I need to have Valeska Stonkey introduce.

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Well, can I say it? I mean, yeah, sure.

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It's a pretty good about late submittals.

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Let's let's let's hear what he has to say.

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yeah sure it's a it's it's a rendering of our building at 38 feet it just chops it at 38 feet

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what's the purpose of it to show that all of the complaints

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would exist with a by right development okay understood thank you i mean i'll just look i'll

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jack because i'm going to see it for the first time right now i've been pretty good about letting

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late exhibits come in this is as late as it gets she ready i also i'm here yeah i i this is rather

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late and i'll stipulate look i'll stipulate a 38 will have some impact i understand that

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if stipulated to that of several times yes but if ms stanky can can uh please be recognized she

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can show the exhibit and i'm sorry chair but here i go again with the call of time for the people

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who have been waiting yeah yeah this is getting out of control i think yeah i mean i don't know

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about the rest of the board but we're going to actually continue this or no no we're not going

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to continue this this is done we're going to we're going to vote it today anyone else

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questions from the board no

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planning commission no

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good evening board peter bernard for the planning commission

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this property is indicated for multi-family residential use in the city's comprehensive plan

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while the proposed use complies with the comprehensive plan we feel that there is

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while the proposed use complies with the comprehensive plan we feel that there is

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no hardship to the height requested we would recommend that 38 feet in height or we would

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recommend that it be 38 feet in height or match the existing abutting twin whichever is highest

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accordingly we object to the granting of the variance. Thank you. MI 2020-000695

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2000 Spring Garden Street my vote is no. My vote is no. My vote is no. My vote is no.

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Thank you and I apologize for the stuttering earlier. This completes the two o'clock list.

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we read off a list of continuances that were requested we're on the 330 list if anybody

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