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ZBA Hearing - December 13, 2023

Philadelphia Zoning Board of Adjustment (ZBA)Dec 13, 20236h 13m

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am I back

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yes you are Mr. Bergman

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okay good

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so

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2327 Cotman Avenue

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Leonard Altieri is the attorney

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for the tenant

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recommendation of support from

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Ron Hurst Civic Association

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reporting a RCO

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and letter of support from

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community on the rise. Mr. Chair, can you read the MI number into the record again, please?

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Thank you. Sure. Okay. MI 2023-005-045.

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M-I-2023-005-045.

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That's 2327 Cotman Avenue.

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Hi, Mr. Altieri.

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How are you, sir?

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Hi, could you say these and spell for the court stenographer?

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My name is Leonard, L-E-O-N-A-R-D.

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Last name is Altieri, A-L-T-I-E-R-I, with the law firm of Claire Harrison.

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Right.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Would you identify your client and the relationship to this property?

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Yes.

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My client is Raising Cane's Restaurant LLC, and they are the tenant of the property.

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Right.

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And our vice chair has just a few questions for you, sir.

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Good afternoon, counsel.

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Do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal or stipulate towards accuracy?

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I do.

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Have you emailed in all the required documents and exhibits that is needed to proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing?

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uh i did and then i supplemented that um uh with counsel

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are you there

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i think we lost him yeah i think so

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he should come right back i'll see if i can bring him back sir okay

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Okay, he will be rejoining as a panelist.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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You're back.

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All right, thank you.

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Sorry about that.

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Please proceed.

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I got disconnected.

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So as I was saying, I did, Mr. Vice Chairman, provide the documents,

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and then there was two documents that were supplemented yesterday with the council.

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Okay.

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As long as we received them.

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Please proceed.

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Thank you very much.

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okay can you see the screen you've got to open at we're good now thank you you can see perfect okay

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so as i said mr chairman i'm here today uh for the property located 2327 cotman ave the client

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is raising canes restaurant llc uh based in baton rouge louisiana raising canes is a chicken finger

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restaurant that serves chicken fingers and chicken fingers only. As part of their nationwide

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expansion, my client is building currently under construction a restaurant at the Roosevelt Mall,

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essentially in the parking lot, which is being shown on the screen right here where my cursor is.

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We're here this evening or this afternoon for a variance for the installation of a pre-sale menu

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board. Under the zoning code, we are allowed two menu boards. What my client is seeking is a third

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menu board that would be used for pre-sale, which I'll explain in greater detail. The property,

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as I alluded to, is located on the Roosevelt Mall parcel, and the property is in the CA2

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zoning district. So again, this is where the Raising Canes is currently under construction,

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right here at Roosevelt Mall. The bottom road right here is Cotman Ave.

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This is the actual engineering plan, again, just showing the Raising Canes right here.

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this is where it will be once constructed as a satellite

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this is the current construction that that is uh taking place as noted we're here uh with regards

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to uh the installation of one statically illuminated menu board which would bring

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the total amount on the property to three whereas under the zoning code we're only permitted

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two. The pre-sale menu board will be located at the beginning of the drive-through. It is

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essentially just to inform customers of what is on the menu so that they can make their selection

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mentally before they pull up to the actual menu board and place it with a customer. The menu

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board is consistent with the national brand of Raising Canes with regards to the color scheme

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name, and size, which is shown here. And again, the only relief we're seeking this afternoon is

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for this one to be installed. Everything else is compliant under the zoning code. It's just

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the number of signs. The coordinating RCO for this property is the Ron Hurst Community Association,

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Ron Hurst Civic Association. We did meet with them where they gave us a vote of approval.

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One of the affected RCOs is Community on the Rise, who reached out to myself.

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We took them on a site visit on October 21st with members of the RCO, and they then also issued a letter of support as well.

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The letter is here and their vote total as well.

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The denial of this requested variance would result in an unnecessary hardship.

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the proposed sign is compliant with regards to the dimensional criteria and we're only seeking

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The proposed sign is compliant with regards to the dimensional criteria, and we're only

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seeking a variance for the installation of this third menu board, which will serve as

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a pre-sale menu board to keep customer traffic and flow moving through the drive-through

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lane.

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Accordingly, the relief requested is the least minimum variance that will afford relief

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under the existing CA2 zoning district.

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If granted, this variance will not increase congestion in the neighborhood, injure the

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appropriate use of adjacent properties, or impair adequate supply of light and air to

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the neighboring properties. And lastly, if granted, this variance will not alter the essential

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character of the neighborhood, nor will it be detrimental to the general welfare. I have with

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me this afternoon from Raising Keynes, Melissa Brochel, who I would just ask to be promoted to

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a panelist. Okay. I forgot them to speak. Hi, could you state your name, please? Is

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spelled for the court stenographer, please? Sure. My name is Melissa Brochel, M-E-L-I-S-S-A,

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And my last name is Brochul, B-R-O-T-S-C-H-U-L.

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I'm with Raising Cane's.

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Do you swear to firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth?

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Yes, sir.

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You see, counsel.

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Thank you very much.

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Melissa, you are authorized to speak on behalf of Raising Cane's Restaurant LLC.

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Yes, that's correct.

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And were you on the call when you heard me go through my testimony?

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Yes, that's correct.

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And the testimony that I provided, is it true and accurate to the best of your knowledge and belief?

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Yes, it is.

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And if I called you to testify, would you adopt that testimony as yourself?

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Yes, I would.

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Thank you very much.

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I also have Mr. Chairman Jennifer Squires from AGI, who is a sign manufacturer.

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I think if anybody has any questions, we'll bring the sign manufacturer on, okay?

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Okay, that's fine.

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Okay, questions from the board?

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No, Mr. Chairman.

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Ish?

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no no chair thank you questions or comments from our attorney hillary emerson

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not at this time mr chair questions or comments from the virtual audience

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yes mr chair i have alice udovich with their hand raised i have a lot to speak

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at this time good afternoon alice could you just state your name and spell for the court

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stenographer certainly good afternoon chairman members of the board alice udovich u-d-o-v-i-c-h

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on behalf of councilman brian o'neill do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth

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nothing but the truth i do please proceed the councilman has no objection to the granting of

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variance at this location thank you thank you very much is there anyone else in the virtual audience

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I don't see any further hands.

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Planning commission.

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Good afternoon, chair.

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Peter Bernard for the planning commission.

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The comprehensive plan recommends no change to the commercial

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area to zoning at this location.

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The appellant requests one additional sign more than the zoning code allows.

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the appellant property is part of the shopping center where a reasonable person would expect

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to find multiple signs on property accordingly the planning commission recommends the board

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grant the proposed variance from the sign requirements in the zoning code thank you

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MI 2023-005-045-2327 Cotman Avenue I vote yes Thomas Holloman my vote is yes

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thank you counsel thank you very much mr chairman okay number 12 mi 2023

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005 337 99 95 east roosevelt boulevard michael mattione is the attorney

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um a letter of support from councilman o'neill a letter of non-opposition from walton park

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civic association

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they will be rejoining as a panel

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okay

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Mr. Mattione?

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Mr. Mattiotti, are you still in a virtual audience?

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It was promoted to panelists, sir.

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I don't know what happened.

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Let's wait and see.

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Maybe he got washed out here.

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Hello, Mr. Chair.

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I have Mr. Mattiotti on the phone.

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He's trying to get back in.

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Okay, we're good.

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Yeah, we're fine.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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do we think zoom's having a problem today or yes maybe cheers seems like we've been having

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issues a lot of people have been knock them and just disappeared at one point right

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so it's totally your call we can just wait a couple

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um or move forward it's totally the cheers well this is the last one on the right yes so

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we can't we can't help can we hold that to later hillary

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mr chair if you'd like we could take um a brief recess now and resume with this case

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let's take five minutes that's a great idea i thank you okay

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Okay. So I'll go one more time. So MI 2023-005-337-9995 East Roosevelt Boulevard. Michael Mattione is the attorney. There's a letter of non-oppositions from Walton Park Civic Association, a letter of support from Councilman O'Neill. Mr. Mattione, could you state your name and spell for the court reporter?

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Sure.

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Michael Mattione.

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That's M-A-T-T-I-O-N-I.

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Do you swear a firm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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Could you identify your clients, their relationship to the property?

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Certainly.

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Biagio DeSimone, he's the owner of the property, and he's also the owner of Kia on the Boulevard,

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which is the tenant at the property.

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And he's with me behind me.

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Okay.

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Our vice chair has just a few questions.

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Sure.

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good afternoon counsel do you agree to waive the reading of the refusal or stipulate to his

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accuracy i do have you emailed in all the required documents and exhibits that is needed and required

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to proceed with this case five days in advance of this hearing yes thank you please proceed

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counsel to share your screen certainly

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i've got all messed up when i got i'm sorry mr sheriff that's okay that's okay it's fine

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you know because it got all messed up when i um had to log back in so now i can't tell you you're

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not the only person in our time today so yeah oh i saw that i'm sorry hold on i gotta

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bring it back up. I apologize about that. I had to bring it now. Is that all?

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no no no no sir

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it's coming up coming up it's up you're up thank you thank you sorry about that um again uh

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representing uh mr de simone who's the owner of uh 99.95 east resovel boulevard and we did submit

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in advance of the hearing, our tax payment confirmation, the letter from the Civic Association,

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letter of support from Council Member O'Neill, a revised site plan, a revised plans form,

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renderings, site plans, floor plans, photographs. Keyon Boulevard has been operating since 2008

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and this property has been an automobile showroom since about 2003. In 2010, a variance was obtained

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to add a service facility to the auto showroom. Kia on the Boulevard is now planning to upgrade

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its facility, the showroom and service facility, and Kia itself is requiring certain upgrades

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to this facility, and the changes mean that we need a variance. The changes include addition of

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service intake area and a new six new service base. Kia is specifically requiring the increase

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from the 13 service bays to 19 service bays and also to have a specific service bay for electric

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cars there will be a new facade added we're actually increasing the square footage of the

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building by 5163 square feet it's an increase in the gross floor area of the building from 22

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2,403 square feet to 27,915 square feet, which is less than 25%, and that'll be important

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for a minute, as I will explain in a minute. We're going from 199 parking spaces to 168

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with the changes. Again, the taxes are paid. The main refusal

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